NATALIA'S NEW PASSIVE - IS IT A NERF OR BUFF? 

She deserved a buff, a literal buff. NOT a neutral adjustment that changes her role and history.

Natalia was once the assassin that you have to look out for most of the time because of her passive invisibility. It's her thing, but now she became quite of a joke.

As a Natalia player i feel this is not just a Nerf it's a complete role change. Invisibility is the core for Natalia and camouflage makes a complete role change.

Not only an obvious nerf, but a slap in the face to all those who main her.

A nerf in my opinion. The exlamation point is really useful on detecting enemies so you do not get counter ambushed

well miya is the only one with invisibility now

the going invisible and kicking ass is what makes natalia unique also maintaining the invisible state is fun. Its a shame that they did this

That pink glow definitely makes it a nerf, even aamon becomes almost invisible

I prefer her invisibility more then the camouflage

This will redefine natalia's gameplay. As for me I take advantage the exclamation mark feature to know if someone is in a bush.

ELGIN: BUFF OR NERF? MOONTON: "BURF''

I think natalia ultimate should be giving 1-2secs true invisibility like miya ulti and after it ended the camouflage passive will continue where it left off. The camouflage passive while it's indeed akin to a nerf for some people, as long they make the nata iconic mark unseenable for enemies and give some adjustment to ultimate like what i suggest it will really make nata back to be true stealth queen, but still giving enemies a little room of breathe when getting ganked. Not too bad from my eyes as someone who never play natalia (well, atm good nata user already annoying, and i'm sure this change won't even make them sweat much, heck, even more nimble if i say).

i think it's a nerf because you must enter bushes to check enemies, unlike before there's an exclamation appears when going near the bushes where enemy hides. Now, Natalia is visible to them while camping at the bush.

Its funny she’s supposed to be main one that’s whole point is being invisible but now is the worst compared to the other 3 in terms of visibility.. the unlimited duration and faster camouflage can only help so much only for faster and smoother roaming around the map and perhaps quickly escape, but being that she’s now ALWAYS visible making enemies have easier reaction time to aim their skills at her.. hope they’ll fix the obvious bugs and maybe make her more transparent and remove the glow on her claw to enemies

this "buff" was definitely made with jungle Nat in mind, for roam Nat this is 100% a NERF.

I'm quite upset with what they did to natalia I hate her as the jungular And now she can't stay invisible near the enemy That was part of the fun of being Natalia And if you wanted to stop her if she was becoming scary All you need is a hero with AOE

She's still good at playing ambush and do quick kill, basically like Hilda. But for roam, not that great, I mean you can help teammates to get vision of enemies around the map, but you also need some gold to buy equipment so you have more benefit to get kills. Basically low HP Hilda.

I know invisibility is literally a thing for Natalia players, but that infinite camouflage. Man... I literally think its more of a buff... Like just how easy Natalia would be when it was like that to new players... Just go inside a bush, wait for 1 sec, then you can roam wherever you want, not to mention, this is so much easy and kinda funny to think of many things that Natalia can do, because she had an INFINITE camouflage. The only problem now is the glowing claw she had, and some other players didn't know the "outline" setting. For me, it is a literal buff due to following: 1. Infinite Movement Spd. 2. Infinite Camouflage 3. Short Proc Passive 4. You can literally go anywhere without worrying about your passive, and it can be a hassle to think of that timer, that you forgot your next bush... If you don't like it, then I don't have a problem, but this can be very easy and convenient to many players who suffers from playing Natalia, just like me. The only cons of Natalia is that glowing claw of hers, maybe the devs really put it, due to how infinite her passive now, and some didn't knew about the outline... So, its a win win...

after this new buff, u can literally hide in the same bush as the enemies and they will never know that ur there

If montoon makes her camouflage like amons or like Lesley's at her last seconds of camo I think Natalia would be back in the meta with a big spike in power and jungle clear plus passive flexibility. Amons camo is actually pretty great and without an exclamation mark as well as being able to keep the passive without a bush she's gonna be an unstoppable force!

Her infinite camoflauge is insane against those like Hilda that needs a target to use their skills. But on god the fsct that she is so easily seen, when her whole damn thing is supposed to be "cant see me lol"

Its a big nerf. Enemy can see her now and she can no longer detect enemy in bushes. Even if she dont enter bushes, like just walk near it, enemy can attack her. She can no longer ambush properly since even in camouflage, you can see her within range.

In my opinion i think they want Natalia to be good in team fights and it really helps her to go back in team fights to her time adjustment

Her early game wr will increase but her late game wr will probably decrease slightly. Don't forget this is a huge buff if natalia's team is losing/under siege.

putting aside the uniqueness being removed from natalia, i can see the potential of her being better than the current official server. But i would only decide whether it's good or not if they remove the glow from her claw and her claw mark above her head on the camo state

What i think will be cool to add for Natalia (One of them will be nice). - After a couple of seconds, a mark will be placed on one random enemy. Natalia will be completely invisible for that enemy. Refreshes after the enemy is killed by Natalia. Maybe she gains extra gold for killing her marked target. - She is able to detect her surrounding area after every couple of seconds for Enemies, creeps, traps, etc. This enables her to detect enemies without actually being near the enemy. You know, just like the Hitman game. - Natalia is able to see enemy footsteps at all times that traces to the enemy exact location. The footsteps will be revealed when Natalia is near and the footsteps hasn't faded. The furthest footstep will fade every like 3 - 5 seconds so Natalia need to follow the footstep before it all fades. She gains movement speed by following the footstep. Like Argus 2nd skill. - Natalia is able to detect enemies with health 30% health or lower anywhere in the map. It will show her the exact location of an enemy. However, she won't know who the enemy is (Can be the Tank, Jungler, who knows). She gains movement speed when moving towards the target. - Very straightforward, Natalia is completely invisible when moving behind the enemy. Away from the enemy hero's peripheral vision. She loses invisibility and becomes camouflage when moving infront of the enemy. This one is my favourite idea. - Inside the smoke bomb, the enemy loses vision and cannot see anything beyond the smoke bomb area. With the addition of 75% slow, this will be annoying. Just like Helcurt's ultimate but only inside the smoke bomb. - Very easy, bring back the exclamation mark for Natalia when there is an enemy in the bush. Too many heroes with AOE skills these days. - Since you can see Natalia now, make the silence duration to like 1 second. This allows Natalia to attack without too much risk of dying. *The idea of footsteps is hard to explain. Play the game called "Bullet Echo" and you can understand it.

I consider it a buff because not only does it take only a second for her passive to recharge, but also the timer bar, I'll share with you this one experience when I had a Philippines No. 35 badge, I really got angry because I had to use my sense of time in place of sound because my phone's speaker was broken, and I showed up four times early! a string! During that time, I had three different emotions: rage, irritability, and shame. Oh man, I really need to test other heroes because I believe that if this new natalia adjustment was introduced, she would constantly be listed under the banned heroes. By the way, Elgin can you try Roamer Natalia? Pretty Please??

As a Natalia main it's a nerf for me cuz i'm used to her invisible state and that where she's unique

To be fair, they removed the duration of her "invisibility" And also decreased the time she needs to be in the bush to be invisible They nerfed her invisibility, but it is much faster in terms of rotation

it's hororo chan's fault. he kept on making videos about natalia (like "she need buff, or she's(natalia) completely invisible" stuff he's trying to content about), and obviously, mlbb and hororo are friends in social media applications, so some of mlbb employees watch his vids and makes suggestions about it. that's where it started

Its strategic function is not only a nerf, but it is completely gone. You can't position yourself behind enemies using only her invisibility. You have to do it just like any other assassins. Tactical use of it is a buff. It is now permanent once activated, so she can roam faster, and it activates faster in bush. I imagine a sidelane playstyle for Natalia. She can keep harassing her opponent using her passive and 1st skill. Despite all of these, that glowing pink effect on her claws plus a glowing pink mark above her head ruins her concealment. Why bother giving her conceal when you want enemies to see her? Isn't conceal's function is to make enemies see you harder? It should function just like any other conceal like Aamon, Lesley and conceal roaming item. Otherwise, they should've made her untargettable or immune to basic attacks and point activated skills. This also means, her 2nd skill will have a somewhat redundant function.

People who are always fighting against people with below average eyesight: I see this as an absolute win!

I really like how that aamon called natalia a coward even though that's her playstyle

Imo a buff as a jungler but a big nerf as a roamer, as a roam nat I'll miss my exclamation mark .w. The reworks: 1 sec conceal - useful but not a must, more escape chance but with camouflage instead of invisible enemy may still know my location when trying to escape, causing them to aim some skills at my direction, rather than confusing them with invisibility for a few milliseconds. Forever passive - Very useful when there's no useful bushes, for example base is surrounded by enemies, invading enemy bases Exclamation mark - Nerf, its not like removing exclamation mark from enemies gives Nat any advantage, if there's an exclamation mark, you'll get hunted down by nat and you know it, also it makes them fear that nat is nearby and you can run to other lanes cuz why not. Also not knowing enemies in bush is just a direct nerf.

lil bit off topic, but the "high and dry" name in official server is actually now "master assasin". i was also shocked when i noticed this

If they want to nerf natalia's invisibility, they should do it in other ways like adding wards or bringing back the old harper spell.

I miss her full invisibility and 2 seconds silence. 😢

1:05 they should make it affected by cooldown reduction

Please don't pass this nerf. Give her the bar for seeing when shes invisible and change nothing else. I don't mind stopping in a bush but some heroes if they see Nata come ,shes just dead. The Update is only going to harm her.

he can no longer check bush, because he is no longer invisible, he can easily be ambushed because he has no marks anymore.

I think instead of having an exclamation mark, she’ll have the camouflage state instead, but still keep the invisibility. Losing invisibility is just a massive lost in my assassin.

Natalia's experimental adjustment is both a buff and a nerf. Buff: shorter time to activate her passive, no limit duration of her passive, easy to join team fights Nerf: her camouflage appearance. I just hope moonton change her appearance similar to Lesley's. Lesley's first skill hides her passive (which deals critical true damage), and they should hide Natalia's next basic attack (which can silence the enemy)

one thing i know for sure, if natalia standing right in front of hilda with her unlimited camouflage, hilda wont be able to hit her

The experimental that we dont want it, i hope they realize it just like mino, since he doesn't have rage bar

I just missed the old scratching ulti of natalia. With the new adjustments, natalia users will go full burst and forgetting the atk speed natalia equipped with inspire. 😢

Maybe. Like Aspirant side animation would be nice too.

Slowly but surely getting close to rikimaru. "Yeah its not invisible anymore but it doesnt expire anymore so the gameplay will be much closer to riki more than ever"

I can smell the hit & run kit for natalia

if the camouflage was like aamon's then yeah I'd consider, I love the new playstyle where you can get back to team fights or can defend better when in base so that's a quality of life right there.

As a Natalia user. I really think this is more like a nerf as a Roamer. Because the exclamation point that let us know if there is an ambush waiting for her(Especially Saber which is a free hero) can counter her easily this time. We can't rely on tankers to check bush especially mostly on solo rank (which is more selfish pick heroes occurs). Roamers can't check bushes because they prefer to show off their big muscled skinner heroes. honestly though the best Revamp for Natalia is I believe two years ago where her Silence is 0.75 and also the exclamation point inside the circle where the enemy hides in the bush like Chou who can kick her with 1 single button and die easily and of course Saber where which is its first skill no effort(why? because the camouflage can make her visible and saber first skill can cooldown easily I believe its 2 seconds CD when max level + CD reduction from items.) can counter her. I suggest if they really want to buff her just bring back the best revamp for her and if they want to nerf her just do the same with the other heroes where her atk and CD is deducted. (Edited) Since I already told about as a roamer what about as a Jungler. I believe its a change gameplay and like I said before Tank can't check the bush as always and she really need to back up her teamups but what if someone is hiding on the bush and with a single skill from saber... She died... Really making an exclamation point on enemy is a good distraction as they don't know if Natalia is going to enter or not(its like scaring them and break their fighting spirit for a moment and its a good traits of assassin. unlike the other assassin that can kill face to face xD Really assassin should be that way now like fighters that can fight on face to face.).

I think they should make her totally invisible in the bushes. with a ! but not camouflaged outside.

its always satisfying whenever enemy teams are fighting with each other.. hahah they lose focus and sometimes they just give up and feed

That was a beautiful gank on Aamon 😂

It's her thing and now moonton destroying one of the most unique hero that he made 😭

Its honestly still a big nerf since I can see her coming and attack her and cancel her invis unlike before where only an exclamation mark would appear and I would have to guess where to attack because I can't see her

I think finally Natalia is already balance now if it is going to an official server

Natalia was an assassin whose usage difficulty was on par with helcurt and Lancelot. Now she's like an hero even a newborn kid can use

so basically they just return her old passive where she was totally un detectable and they just make it non expiring.

For me this is a big nerf both in her game play and uniqueness, invisibility is her thing it's what defines her and the exclamation point was very useful, yes it goes both ways but at the very least u can know if there's enemy and retreat or kill also roam nata is and will and still be more superior than jungler nata the removing the invisibility will be like them removing Argus his imortality and changing it to damage reduction, it will remove the very thing that makes her her. Edit:Bit of grammar I'm not good with english yet since it's my third language.

Other than the camouflage everything is perfect. They should replace the camouflage with her old invisibility again

Just nerf her overall damage, but buff her utilities (silence, slow, give her an invincibility frame, etc.), and then bring back her invisibility from 3 years ago. Make her a good 1vs1 'poke' hero, especially in early game. With these changes, she can be a decent side laner, or a roamer that can confuse the enemy tank (when the tank is with the mm, you target the jungler, vice-versa)

10:53 - 10:58. Mostly a buff for me. Thanks for the tip on how to "treat" a trash talker. I sometimes lose because of them.

And here I was thinking of maining Natalia 😭

I just realized Natalia can drive with Johnson now, the combo will be deadly

Good thing is Natalia now no need relay bushes to maintained her Camouflage.Bad thing is now Natalia Invisibility completely gone now.I liked Old Natalia where she completely Invisible but now Natalia can see by her both detection and Camouflage.

As a Natalia main user, I can't accept this update of Natalia. It's been like 2 years now since they reduced the revealing time of Natalia to the enemies and her Ult also, anymore than those updates I CAN'T ACCEPT IT. I'D GIVE MOONTON THE "F" IF THEY CONTINUE THIS

Yeah for those who's saying this is a Buff it's not like this is an overkill of an change and I get it, it helps those who are struggling with her but just to remove what makes her unique? Now that's insulting not to mention technically if you the knows you can literally counter pick her in many ways. Heck if you don't have an Hero counter Rosegold meteor and twilight armor are good candidates. Plus I just feel bad for those nata users who tries to escape a lot of enemies it's a lot harder to do now because of the Camo passive. Think about it her being fully invisible was there to make her First a true Assassin which makes sense, second is to "stalk your prey", and thirdly despite it being short it's already annoying to begin with, because it's useful for escaping and using it to confuse your enemy. And yeah gonna miss that exclamation mark, to be fair if you're an air headed player then this will just be a nuisance of a change. But for those who are observant might as well celebrate for an easier time noticing her now In a way. (But who knows maybe most nat users will like this but as for the rest welp rip)

Her invisibility is her signature… damn moonton

So basically you’re trading a 0.2 second invisibility for an infinite long camouflage that activates in 1 second, aside from that you’re completely untargatable when you’re facing a hero such as Hilda, moskov gonna be aiming his ult at close range just so you can activate your camouflage in 1 second he can’t even damage you I can’t wait to play this so YUMMY Scary buff thought everyone will start banning her T-T

What if let her be invisible only when she's inside the bush? I mean, even when enemies are sharing the same bush with her, they're still unable to see natalia for at least 2 seconds, maybe?

2:38 I guess a basic attack won't interrupt the invisibility process of Natalia.

Moonton ignoring gloo being able to spam skill: “😅”

lmao that Aamon calling ppl coward but he walks with their team most of the time XD

Me:trying to go find a ambush position to kill their mm and mages backdoor/backstab strat Meanwhile my teammates: effing following me. Instead of attacking from behind I'm now in the frontlines...

Just make her harder to detect by removing the glow And I hope they do the same for helcurt, his red/blue buff is usually visible even in dark night that it help to locate him actually auto skills can target him even if not in sight so he is not really invisible inside dark night area And something else, I hope they change the silence in helcurt first skill into a stun (or just add immobilize) because new sprint can be casted while silenced/stunned and helcurt first skill is so narrow it can't hit a target that is immune to slow effects like this I hope they make it into immobilize+silence cz stun is overpowered for an assassin like him

ngl when im trying a new hero i look your builds, then i run few games and then i tweak them slightly as our playstyle and preference are different (like most players, i have my own). 90% of the time, i use your builds as even without swapping an item or 2, they are pretty decent and get the job done.

Not related to the video but What's the different in second skill of bane in advance server and in original server, can you explain? because I hear bane second skill has been adjust

In my opinion i think the invisible still better. I guess instead of making it camouflaged just make it that natalia can easily bring back the invisible state 1 second is she already fine (plus scary too)

NATALIA: I JUST LOVE THE SMELL OF FEAR

As I already said under other videos about this topic, I think that her Ultimate should give her true invisibility, because with the revamp it's pretty much pointless.

Exclamation point where is it what happens if i run into the bush without even know there's an enemy but the good news Her Hero Outline is fixed

2:47 rhymes ✍️🔥🔥🔥

I like Nata's new passive. It takes shorter time to activate and is no longer obliged to go through a bush just to maintain. It won't even cancel when you are in proximity of the enemy for a longer period unlike the current and the previous old. You may be visible but you are untargetable to hero-lock skills, so it's a yes to me. You just need to be aware of the aim-skills or AoE skills where you'll be caught on range. She fits my playstyle the way i want her to be. I'm just curious about though. Can she walk through Diggie's timebomb in camouflage state?

Just split her passive Moonton. One is for the invisibility that will trigger upon entering the bush and other is her passive enhance attack that will activate after 2~5 seconds. All others current skills will be the same, meaning when she use her Ultimate both of her passive will be take effect. Surely it will buff not only her early to late game but also it will fix her issue regarding her efficiency when initiating a fight in both team base. Coz y'know she have to go back from a base to find a bush to activate her passive 🙄.

No Nata player, but I play against her often at advanced and it seems to be a nerf.

Dude that Aamon is something, I bet it's so fun getting a team like that.

Hoping they(moonton) can do something about the inspire spell, that's thing so freaking danger ft. mm(miya,ww,moskov,...).

The only useful thing is the time reduction to activate her passive and no need to enter the bush to reset her passive, tho if the camouflage is less obvious it should be better

Not related to the video but What's the different in second skill of bane in advance server and in original server, can you explain?

Surprised Elgin doesn't know the Natalia combo

for me its a balance adjustment but they need to remove the glow effect on her claws and her passive icon effect

Tbh I like the change I just wish she had better camouflage and the ! Indicator back

for me its fair adjustment since the decreased the waiting time for her passive and no more passive expiration and the exclamation mark is gone so its fair, the down side is that she's easier to notice if the enemy is good but in team fight you could go kill their backlaner to destroy their positioning

we need exclamation marks with miya's invisibility, at least with lvl 3 ultimate, she's tooooooo op in late game

I had a lose streak just by using her. Imagine the enemies always looking after her.

Natalia seems pretty fun to play with this experimental buff.

I am not really an assassin user. But i like playing natalia. For me its just balance since the camouflage will not disappear plus you can easily activate it again for 1sec. So its "kinda" fair that they put camouflage instead of invincibility. Coz when you compare it to lesly and aamon. Their invincibility will not last long.

I main Natalia and it's funny when enemies keep saying that i keep hiding and not fighting upfront. Hahaha Maybe they should ask Layla to slap the gun at them and not shoot from far away.

A buff for people that are just starting to play nata A nerf for the people who have 100+ games on her For me personally i think its a buff, since i am a Lesley player i believe i will like this rework of nata, moving around the map very fast not being shown in the map with an unlimited camouflage

Elgin, do you think the new emblem system will revive old heroes? What are your thoughts since you have been using it?