When I heard rues intro for Nate, "maybe if Nate had met cassie instead of Maddy she would have brought out the best in him." Nothing can bring out the best in him he can't even fathem being a better person without someone helping him.
I feel like women get sold this narrative from birth, that if you're good enough, kind enough, giving enough, you can fix a toxic, abusive man. It's bullshit used to manipulate women into staying in bad relationships, and frankly, it prevents men as a whole from evolving. Leave his ass and find a man who is already kind.
Yeah, I guess what the show runners were going for was to show that Nate will be Nate whoever who he’s with. Even if it’s two very different girls, he’ll be abusive.
All things aside, he portrays the character perfectly. There's more and more dudes like him tho, they make you feel great, guilty, extremely sad, afraid and mad in one f***ing week .
@@Broc_Obama These kinds of guys, unfortunately, comes in all shapes, heights, looks, race, popular or not, rich or poor. No chance to tell them apart from regular good guys until it's too late, when they already have you were they want to. Then they show their true selves. It's hard to let go when you already in love with a person they still show to you every once in a while, and they have already fcked with your mind enough to believe only their opinion of you is what matters, so when they make you feel you got no value as a human, only they can give it back and no one else. You need very good and loyal friends to slap you in the face repeatedly until you see sense and leave.
@elijahwoods3082 oh do shut up please 🙄 there's nothing worse than when these guys say "I was nice, until I got fucked over and my heartbreak was so bad that I have no emotions now" pffftt haha thats pathetic. Maddie and cassie also got fucked with pretty hard so it would be okay if they made their next boyfriends lives he'll just cause they have gotten their heart broken? That's sad and weak. Almost all of us have experienced heartbreak, git toyed with, git cheated on, some were abused etc. But that's no excuse to be an asshole to some innocent person that tries to have a good relationship with you. Strength is when you get mistreated and STILL manage to be a good person, cause you know that it's unfair to be the same asshole to new people just cause some asshole was like that ti you. Nothing mire pathetic than when guys think they're strong ir badass for having issues 😂
I love how the all the scenes in the video with Cassie are in bright light while maddy’s is in the dark light. Shows how diff they both are yet still going thru the same shit
I think in a way it speaks to the fact that maddy & nate had something with more depth & passion, hence deeper darker colors. While cassie & nate had a thrilling, SURFACE level connection. Both horrible toxic & abusive, but different.
You don't have to read whatever I wrote, it is just my op, also spoiler alerts ⚠️ I agree but I am glad she is aware that he is a toxic person even tho she still loves him but she is working on it ... On the other hand, I feel so sorry for Cassie she is delusional... She keeps convincing herself that whatever she did wasn't wrong and she still can't see his toxicity ... And don't get me atarted on the humiliation she puts herself in... I also feel sorry for her because she is a very emotional person looking for balance in her relationship because of her daddy issues, I know that kind of people, and you can't really blame them ( when you experience a certain type of trauma in your life.. Sometimes it controls your whole life decisions leading you to take an irrational/emotional decision.) She also doesn't give herself a value unless other people made her feel it...
If you have watched the new episode 🚨 SPOILER 🚨 maddy says how she went through hell with him and then he got with her best friend so it made it even worse
@@justinageorgina5748 so like what about all the other characters who’ve done shtty things? Y’all excuse rues behaviour, but apparently it’s a different story when it comes to Cassie.
I feel like they made Maddy and Cassie two totally different type of people to show that this situation can still mess someone up. No matter how tough you are or how seemingly crazy you are, an emotional and physical abusive partner you once trusted and felt vulnerable around can still fuck you up.
Exactly but I️ feel like most people are missing that aspect because they’re so hung up on the fact that she hooked up with Nate even though he took advantage of her
@@faejackson2431 omg, I'm just now realizing she was drunk as hell when they first hooked up. People mostly got mad when she started to get attached to him and started to push everyone else away.
@@mediabunny2845 yup but that’s exactly how an abuser and manipulator does it. To put it simply, it may seem like her choice but it really wasn’t. Honestly as a victim of an abusive relationship, it was hard to watch because it was scary accurate. You don’t realize you’re being manipulated and lured until it’s too late and it’s very hard to see. And then everything escalates so quickly… emotional abuse to physical abuse. It was definitely jarring but accurate, unfortunately
So true, I’ve witnessed so many powerful women get destroyed by a toxic/narcissistic partner. Confident women with beauty and careers and great personalities get mixed up with a guy like Nate that starts off sweet and only shows his true colors months into the relationship when it’s harder to leave
@@Desmondenae_ it may have something to do with the dad checking out in Rue, Fez, Cassie and Lexi's lives while Nate continued to be raised and influenced by Cal throught the entirety of his. I still think Cal and Laurie are worse than Nate, Nate's a solid third though
It’s actually so fcking sad that they’re fighting over a stupid guy , and the way maddy didn’t care about Nate and just cared about her friendship with cassie-
I mean, he has a lot of things going on his favor. He’s handsome, popular, rich, privileged in every way. All that help mask the shitty manipulative person inside.
@lifeisawesomeiconfess239 I think because he still wants Maddie, but she seems to be except it ain't worth it and moving on. He might take it out on Cassie.
I'm sick of two beautiful women fighting, breaking their friendship apart, for a shitty guy in fiction. But sadly, shit like this really happens in real life.
i think maddy is not angry at cassie for stealing nate. she’s more disappointed that cassie knew what nate put her through and still got with him. i think maddy is starting to realize she deserves better but she just loves nate still. finally with cassie betraying her, i hope she truly moves on. i think it’s happening with her last statement being ‘this is just the beginning’ meaning she wants nothing to do with nate and cassie can have him now.
Yup. He manipulated Maddy, who is harder to manipulate, into loving him and not being able to loose him. Cassie just wants to be loved, making her very vulnerable to him. Then he brings out the worst in people. He is a bad person, who is abusive and manipulative. That’s that
@@rayaraj769 Therapy is just more reliable and professional. A lot of people “fixing” are in over their heads, but people do grow in relationships it’s not so one tracked where it isn’t possible. The right stable person can help a broken person get fixed. But therapy is definitely better
@@tabrisoul i don't think it means she can do whatever she wants but she still deserves to be cut some slack. People talk shit about her almost as bad as nate and that's just crazy. If anything she's behaving like she has no self respect ( by dating nate). She's still a dumbass kid though who thinks someone actually like her after dealing with feeling like she's unlikable
This is the perfect image to show what it’s like being with a narcissist. They suck the life out of you, it’s never good enough, it’s always your fault (not theirs), it’s soul draining.
I'm sure Maddy does by now, I really liked her in S2 in comparison to the first. I'm sure she's completely done with Nate after this, I loved the part where she didn't call him once while he had 38 missed calls from Cassie. Maddy was hurt by Cass, not Nate. He's done for good for her I think lol.
@@TElias5 um what the fuck? Nate was nice to Maddie at first like most abusers are, she didn't "give" herself to Nate to be abused. Cassie is desperate for love and Nate gives her that attention. Neither women deserve the abuse
@@aa-xy4hg I think your deflecting. Its obvious he isnt gay at all..and isnt trying to hide it..just because he can relate to her doesnt mean he is gay. You guys are reading into something becuse YOU WISH for that to be the case
@@miaqueen9578 uhm, did you watch the show lol?? Nate is definitely gay (not fully but like he's probably somewhere under the bi umbrella) but he has major internalized homophobia bc of seeing his dad on the tapes and having trauma from it
@@viswaschaudhary2983 i really don't get how women find this type of guys attractive, like appearance wise - these unnaturally hot super tall dudes that look like they've been grown in a tube, i find them scary honestly. but you do you ofc.
@@highlyquestionable9802 yeah everyone is different some guys like girls extrasassy some guys like girl with tantrum, there is too much goody girls, that's how some girls like boys with scary masculinity and unstable guys, then there are guys who obey girls order like bitch
Cassie burned every single bridge just so she could be in an abusive relationship. Also, she slept with her best friends boyfriend, it’s hard to feel bad for women who betray other women.
@@eigina This. people always ignore Nate was THE main bully Cassie had and that he actively encouraged the other guys to treat her like garbage, and Maddy did not give a single shit but suddenly Cassie's expected to feel sympathy for Maddy's abuse at the hands of the same guy? Don't make me laugh lmao
@@misssmisssymaria its really not.. are you going to not feel bad about a woman who got raped bc they got raped by there boyfriend whom they stole from there bestfriend
@@misssmisssymaria 1. He hooked up with her when she was drunk and at her lowest. 2. She's not a bad, immoral person. She has daddy issues with no backbone.
I’m glad Maddie has shown some growth from her break up with Nate in season 2. She definitely felt less held back that season, just thriving. Being her best self ✨
I think it’s because Cassie’s actions were so unexpected if that makes sense. It’s like how no one shits on Nate as much as Cassie even though Nate’s worse. With Maddy and Nate, the audience expected toxicity whereas Cassie was the surprise villain. Plus, we’re in the season where Maddy is “redeeming herself”, not because she’s changed, but because Cassie is the main focus only the season.
@@sirah1282 that’s so true and it’s getting to the point where people are excusing all her actions and calling her wholesome as if she’s never done anything wrong. It’s also because people either zoomed past season 1 to catch up with everyone else or watched it back in 2019 & forgot details, so they don’t pay attention to what maddy and nate did back then.
@@flamingomingo9810 I also think (and it’s possible I can be reaching with this) the reason why people brush past Maddy’s accusation and not Cassie’s actions is because.. this show is more targeted to young women. When you think about it, we’re (in general, not an individual scale) not going to understand the severity of a false accusation more than a man (but because that’s not who the show is targeted for, we don’t hear the backlash). If this was a show targeted towards men, the backlash would be worse. Plus, Cassie’s actions hit closer to home for people (myself included) and we can relate to that pain more. Also, if this was a show for men, people would target Maddy more and brush Cassie’s actions off. I don’t think either are right, but I do agree people need to call out Maddy more.
@@sirah1282 EXACTLY. I’ve actually never thought of it that way before, I’ve always thought it was just because the target audience was young high school/ college students and 90% of the target audience haven’t even stepped foot in a real prison, let alone for something as serious as rape, so they can’t relate as much as with Maddie in the Cassie situation, but it definitely has to do with current events and issues that men vs. women care about. I know it’s human nature, but it goes to show how much people on both sides don’t sympathize with anything other than themselves or people like them and brush off issues that don’t, even though they’re month valid. People cared more about Maddie’s faults and didn’t romanticize her as much last season thankfully (even though they understood she was still a victim of abuse), but now that they relate to her more, they’re going to the extreme and forgiving & forgetting everything partly because they view her as them and they want to forgive themselves.
For the girls (or maybe even guys) in life that have gone through the same things that others did with people like that guy, you are amazing and you deserve love that isn't... That. I only know this from third hand experience. Thank gosh he didn't want to be friends with me (and he was straight).
The most realistic video , bc this is the best way to shows that the problem is not the just the girls , it is nate with his reactions and the way he is.
Lowkey wish it showed the bathroom scene in the episode where Cassie saw the play, I feel like it'd show that dynamic of how Maddy and Cassie actually handled it all
She was in a low place in her life and none of her friends noticed. she was dealing with her breakup being pregnant having and an abortion and men telling her she is not worthy of love she wanted to be loved and Nate was there he manipulated her. He came to her not the other way around. And yes ik what she did was wrong but it’s also nates fault I see so many comments bashing Cassie but none abt Nate when he is the root of the problem.
I've found Cassie annoying since season one and she should've never done what she did, but..... I really like how they showed Nate using the same lines and tactics on Maddie and Cassie because that show's how he has these patterns of manipulation and abuse and how he takes advantage of their vulnerability and their issues Like he knew Maddie loved being spoiled, so he'd buy her things, he knew she loved being praised, so he'd praise her ect. He knew Cassie loves attention, so he gave her attention, he knew she wanted love, so he pretended that he loved her ect. This is literally what abusers do, they find a weakpoint and they bend and break you till they control you, but the problem with Maddie is he couldn't fully control her and he knew that, that's why he wants her so bad, with Cassie he can almost fully control her because she's so submissive, so he took advantage of that but he didn't actually want her because it's almost "too easy"
Both are struggling for different reasons but because of Nate, it parallels one another. Maddy is struggling with the physical abuse of Nate while Cassie deals with the emotional abuse of Nate.
Soul ties are real and this is why people need to stop sleeping with other people all their energies get mixed up . Great job euphoria for showing highlights of this
@@-valmetal-All of them are terrible person. They all going through shit and do crazy stuff.Nate made both Cassie and Maddy do crazy shit. stop pick and choose.
Nate not just ruined the relationship between Cassie and Maddie, but he actually even indirectly ruined the relationship between Jules and Rue in season 1.
@@hunniii2356 idk.. nate is the problem but cassie taking of her panties in the truck was totally uncalled for and honestly that was not nate's fault. Also, cassie does have the ability to say no to hookups. She did with daniel but just couldn't say no to nate? Makes me raise an eyebrow at her
@@lula4408 bc despite the fact that she did kiss daniel she didn't hook up with him bc she was still with Mcay also ppl seem to forget that all this mess started bs Nate and Cassie were drunk and couldn't stop...Cassie isn't innocent but neither is Maddy
so much respect that she lied about the abuse she was victim from Nate and out someone else in jail. also she treated to hit cassie if she ever tell on nate about the pics and stuff. y’all so slow and biased i swear.
I wished Euphoria highlighted the fact that she knew the kinda guy Nate was. She thought she could change him. It would’ve added depth to the story and I feel her character as well
