Naval Group at DEFEA 2021: FDI Frigate and Underwater Weapons 

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@@georgekoul thats to close for comfort hahahaha

Love to phillipines too

Give us ships please

We Greece with smaller gdp than Philippines have good fleet frigate in navy✌️

is better the spanish F-110 frigate

We French have to thank Greece for insisting on giving the FDI a cruise missile capability: budget constraints were going to have us be forced to do without.

Sigma is better, it can launch 4AA missiles at once while belharra only1.

@@LEGOGreece lol ! belharra can launch much more than 4 AA missiles at a time

@@andreactuel7209 no, it can launch only one aster 15 or 30

@@LEGOGreece what is the relationship between the type of missile carried in the VLS and the number of missiles the frigate can launch at the same time

This design was developed along the lines of the new Singapore Formidable Class Frigate, which in turn was developed about 5 years ago as an upgrade on an older French Frigate. But this Frigate ought to be superior to the Formidable Class as it will only be launched in 2025.

@@matthews1082 it is still Naval Group working in the class as the main contractor, though, and Singapore helps.

vive nos amis Grecs

Not the FREMM-TI ?

@@andreactuel7209 I need it

the fremm IT is the first, and is also way better than the Belharra

I want fremm and gowind

@@pietrodicanio9404 doesn't have cruse missiles ...

When is very soon ?

@@youbdu2981 until end of this summer

Type 26🇭🇲

@@GreekRallyFan555 End of year now

both have : 32 VLS - if I'm not mistaken they are Sylver 50s (Aster 15 and 30) for the FREMM-IT and a mix of Sylver 50s and Sylver 70s (Aster 15, 30 and MDCN) for the IDF -, a 76mm gun (the same one) a complete anti-submarine suite with a hull sonar and a variable immersion towed sonar (for the FREMM-IT I'm not sure, but I'd be surprised if she didn't have one) and 8 anti-ship missiles Tell me if I'm wrong!

Yes, the fremm has bigger surface warfare suite (127 mm cannon, 76 mm ciws and 2x25mm autocannons), in contrast the FDI has a higher deep strike capability being able to launch cruise missile with the vls. But both project can be adapted to the customer needs, maybe putting sylver a70s instead of a mix of a70 and a50, they both can accommodate American weapons such as searams, sm2/3 with mk41 vls. So they're basically identical in terms of possible and real capabilities, very powerful ships

France really backs it's own industry. The more French the better the deal, even built in Greece might mean French parts assembled in Greece.

Ναι κ η χειρότερη μεταξύ Ιταλίας,Ολλανδίας, Γαλλίας

@@steliostade9128 δεν ειναι η χειρότερη. Απλά η ΣΙΓΜΑ εχει πιο πολλες δυνατοτητες. Αλλα το προβλημα με ενα Ολλανδικο πλοίο ειναι το κατα ποσον μππορει να προμηθευσει ΣΚΑΛΠ. Η Ολλανδια δεν εχει τετοιες δυνατοτητες ενω η Γαλλια θα μας δ ωσει ενα πύραυλο με ακτινα 1000 χιλιομετρων

@@konstantinoskatakouzinos2831 άρα θες να Μ πεις πως η Ολλανδία που σ δίνει νέα γενιάς πλοία (όπως είναι κ η μπελχαρα δεν υπερέχει κανείς σε αυτό το κομμάτι) χωρίς να έχουν έλλειψη σε ecm ,όπως η μπελχαρα,με καλύτερα κ περισσότερα κελιά +2 10514 με μκ56, είναι κατωτερες επειδή η μπελχαρα έχει σκαλπ?Η μπελχαρα είναι κατώτερη σε ΟΛΑ(πέρα από μερικά συστήματα),απλά έχει σκαλπ τπτ άλλο

@@steliostade9128 φίλε μου στελιο το θέμα δεν είναι ακριβώς έτσι.1) πήραμε ραφαλε και τώρα πήραμε και φρεγατες από Γαλλία.Συμαντικο αυτό.Εχεθς ηλεκτρονικά σύστημα που βλέπουν τον εχθρό πριν σε δει αμυντικα και επιθετικά ...για ένα επεισόδιο έχεις δύναμη λοιπόν να τους στείλεις στο σπίτι τους.Πως θα έρθουν να σου κάνουν επεισόδιο τώρα (όχι στα λόγια,πάντα θα προκαλούσε) γιατί μέχρι πριν σου κουναγαν το δάχτυλο για να αντιδράσεις και σου κάνουν ντου και να σου πάρουν κάτι (νησί πχ) τώρα πάει αυτό...δεν θα πατάνε όπου πατουσαν πριν (θα το δοκιμάσουν εννοείτε αλλά τώρα είναι στο χέρι μας) οπότε το μόνο που μένει είναι τι γίνεται σε ολοκληροτικο πόλεμο?Εκεί μπορεί να έχεις καλύτερο value με σίγμα αν και εδώ έχεις scalp 1000km που σημαίνει ότι σου πετούν ότι έχουν και δεν έχουν και έχεις και εσείς όμως όχι απλα να παίξεις άμυνα με σίγμα!!!βάλε και την ρήτρα αμυντικής συνεργασίας σε περίπτωση να πολέμου με Γαλλία οπότε οπότε όπως βλέπεις έχουν γίνει βήματα σωστά τώρα!Τ ο να κλαιω γιατί δεν παίρνω σίγμα αλλά μπελχαρα το θεωρώ υπερβολή να και μην ξεχνάς το πιο σημαντικό αυτό το τελευταίο αλλά ποιος πήρε μπελχαρα?Ποιος πήρε ραφαλε?είχε συμμετοχή οι ΕΔ μας?Αφού δεν τα πήρε ο Τσοχατζόπουλος αλλά ανάμεσα σε Α-Β-Γ επιλογες πήραν κάτι που ήθελαν αυτό και μόνο λεει πολλά...αυτοί ξέρουν αυτοί θα βγάλουν τα κάστανα από την φωτιά οκ?

@@mariaburdukoglu6973 ηλεκτρονικά συστήματα?Σκαλπ?Θα γελάσω

Exactly. French give everything. Even the SCALP EG cruise missiles. Most advanced electronics and Radar including.

@@georgekoul there are a few ecm missing bro

Unbeatable?The Netherlands gives u 4 sigma 11515 with 32 mk41 sylver,2 10514 with 16 mk 56 and 2 M frigates and you call the french offer the best one?

FDI or Belharra is more advanced on electronics and Radar. French give us everything even Naval version of SCALP EG, while the others don't and I think France will be the winner. And the truth is that Greeks like the French and the Italians. You understand what I want to say.

@@georgekoul και οι δύο φρεγάτες έχουν παρόμοια ραντάρ, δεν είναι τα καλύτερα μεταξύ τον προτάσεων αλλά και πάλι υπέρ αρκετά για τοπική κάλυψη. Το καλύτερο ραντάρ δεν σημαίνει πάντα καλύτερο σύστημα σε κατάσταση πολέμου. Η leonardo είναι εταιρία μεγάλης φήμης και θεωρώ ότι τα συστήματα της είναι αξιόλογα. Αν με έβαζες να επιλέξω μεταξύ μίας πάνοπλης φρεγάτας με συστήματα του 2010 και μίας ελαφριάς φρεγάτας με συστήματα του 2020 θα διάλεγα την πρώτη. Σου δίνω σε link αλλά άμα θες ψάξε και μόνος σου για υλικό σχετικά με τα Ιταλικά κατευθυνόμενα βλήματα, τόσο για το μικρό (76mm) όσο και για το μεγάλο πυροβόλο (127mm). Vulcano, εμβέλεια 120km (τετραπλάσια από το τούρκικο πυροβολικό, κατεύθυνση gps ή laser), τεσταρισμένα, άριστη ποιότητα ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RYWCGsmbiXM.html Dart, για άμυνα του πλοίου από πυραύλους, βάρκες και UAV ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-61YnsQ1v0mw.html Πληροφορίες για τα ραντάρ της Thales και Leonardo: www.leonardocompany.com/documents/20142/3149699/KRONOS_Grand_Naval_LQ_mm07943_.pdf?t=1538987497712 www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/database/document/2020-10/Thales%20Sea%20Fire%20Data%20Sheet_R3.pdf

Good points; although I would argue that Greece has many islands that could host land-based SAM systems and I really doubt that landing craft coverage is their priority. SCALP missiles on the other hand would be a great deterrent, which I am guessing is one of their main priorities. Also, the FDI's smaller size makes is ideal for the tight areas of the Aegean.

@@zix_zix_zix Scalp missiles are already used by the Greek airforce. Since they dont need to be deployed far away from the mainland equiping them on the ships wont extend the strike range by a lot if any. Greece is not going to deploy these frigates in a foreign sea. The planes have enough range to launch them in the aegean-east mediteranean

@@billwhoever2830 MdCN version of the SCALP has a range of well over 1000 km and is significantly larger than the plane version. I think this capability is a significant deterrent..

It will cost for Greece 900 miilion euros each incuding ammo/surplus, training, infrastructure. The FDI HN(stands for Hellenic Navy) will have the 4 faced fixed AESA radar SeaFire(capable of tracking 800 targets and engage 16 of them at the same time), advance ESM/ECM, 32 VLS Sylver for ASTER-30 1NT, a 76mm Super Rapido STRALES gun capable of firing the Dart guided ammunition(against sea-skimming missiles, bombs etc) and Vulcano round of 40+ km, Exocet blk IIIC antiship missiles, MU90 torpedoes, RAM blk 2 CIWS, 2 remote weapon stations and 2 sonars the hull mounted Kingklip Mk2 and towed variable CAPTAS-4(the best in its class) with a maximum detection range of 150km and also the FDI HN will have the best ASW helo, the MH-60 Romeo that Greece recently has ordered.

Going just fine. The shittalking is white noise mostly.

Maybe we will have a Australian Design and build this time,Collins mark 2.🇭🇲

on going

It is either the Mk. 41 VLS (with ESSM and SM2) or the Sylver 50 VLS (with Aster 15 and 30)

actually their an other contract constellation like, that will come later. the FDI will be proposed as a based designed like the Fremm were. The problem is that NG doesn't have a partenaire or shipyard in the US...

@@KalFulsom You know that fremm that the FRENCH DON'T PRODUCE ANYMORE... Mica VLS can be equipped without using a single sylver. Or can be actually be fitted in any sylver but that would be a loss of space.

Why would you waste the ship with sm2 missiles? Standard missiles have to be launched in pairs to guarantee a kill, Aster 30 is a one shot kill missile….

@@andreactuel7209 not true. The Type 45 destroyer's were built with the slyver and the plan was to leave the space free to install mk41 to allow these ships to make use of other missiles, primarily the tomahawk.

Quad packing 32x CAMM-ER into 8 of the A-50 cells and then 24x Aster-30 in the other 24 cells would be an extremely potent AAW loadout for a 4500 ton ship. Add the 21 cell Rim-116 launcher to that and you've got a world class air defense warship.

@@steamedcream7671 ΥEAP and I dont undrestand why Greeks want scalp naval on the ships. I prefer air defense only in our tubes. We can ask to buy ground batteries with scalp missiles, a good truck can do the job. From Athens you can reach Cyprus with a ground batery, from Crete too . Greece doesnt need to travel long distances against their enemies. On ground is much easier to develop a ground version weapon and at the same time you avoid to lost everything at one strike. Even if a ground battery doesn't exists, French can create one, we already have at our mirage scalps

@Sto So As far as I know, there is no intention to quad or dual pack CAM missiles in the A-50 cells at this point. Fairly certain Aster-30 will be the primary armament of the ship with the RIM-116 launcher acting as a close range CIWS.

France already propose this to Greece. And it's the only country that have done this.

@@georgekoul France is the only country whom is enjoying doing things against NATO Solidarity

@@kumarandisamy7468 kebap

@@kumarandisamy7468 LOL, what are you talking about ? Greece is a NATO member. The member playing traitorous games against other NATO members is Turkey

Νο not the best

La plateforme est standardisée pour des hélicoptères de classe 11tonnes (NH-90 - MH60). Les "barrières" sont en fait des filets anti-chutes qui sont abaissé une fois qu'un hélicoptère est mis en action. La FDI n'est pas encore sortie du chantier naval, il est dont peu probable qu'un hélicoptère se soit "crashé à cet endroit y'a environ 2 ans".

Did Hellenic Navy want - ask for MdCN ???

No! They wont be equiped with SCALP naval! Atleast... That's what Greek navy said... Now! 😉

@@marioshadjikyriacou3381 λιγο καθυστερημενα αλλα σας ευχαριστω κυριε

Ils préfèrent un anglais dégradé, difficilement compréhensible et qui véhicule des idées amoindri, plutôt qu'un discours en langue maternelle clair et sous titré dans un anglais parfait. Moi ça me donne une image d'amateurisme et que la vraie ingénierie se fait en Anglais alors pourquoi choisir la copie a l'original ? C'est triste. Déjà que la société semble nier ses origines dans son nom même. Certains client veulent aussi de la confiance et de la fierté dans le discours de leurs fournisseurs... Surtout dans la défense.

2 gowind 4 belharra and an good modernization

@@georgen7467 nop 4 belharra and 2 cassard class frigates right away + modernization

@@jeanvaljean9293 no they made available the option to build two gowind corvettes

@@jeanvaljean9293 Cassard ships are already rejected by the Hellenic Navy.....Naval Group's latest proposal is 4 FDI + 2 GOWIND

@@tjololot3761 I don't see how the 2 G could be produced that fast. And I don't recall the navy rejecting, actually it was very impressed of the general state of the old boat. May be the grec gov refused ... I must admit, I have just checking the McdN... unfortunately not for now may be mark 2 by 2027.

that frigate is too little to be upgraded, while the Fremm is more armed and able to equip SCALP

@@pietrodicanio9404 it can take much more then it's now showed. France doesn't make FREMMs anymore and won't let MdCN on the IT version. the FREMM FR and IT are very different, so is the SCALP and MdCN. Finally the Seafire is much better then the current radar on FREMM and cannot be integrated on the Fremm.

@@pietrodicanio9404 I don't know if there are plans to add the SCALP (or rather its naval version, the MDCN) to the FREMM-IT, but if not already done, it is planned for the IDF, the French Navy has requested it

The French ship did not qualify for the last tender, more consider Mogami or type 31 arrowhead or Modification Iver huitfeldt for the next ship because we need at least 16 frigates in the 2024 program to fulfill the MEF program and it is already divided into 2 Iver huitfeldt and 6 Fremms and the rest of the interim plan is 8 Mogami class

No, FREMMs are still more capable.

@@davidhouseman4328 So, it’s cheaper?

In France , FDI will Replace the first 90’s La Fayette Class

nop, the double mast configuration doesn't allow it.

Forget it! We will buy the useless American littoral trawler ! You will see … In Greece it is mandatory to seek out the National interests for personal gain… but you know that already!

Pfffffff between fremm,sigma and fdi the fdi is the worst option

@@steliostade9128 , so in your opinion what's the best option and why?

@@eliassolomou980 the dutch one, 4 11515 with 32 VLS MK41 Strike Length type ,which can take also carry sm-2 or RUM-139 VL-ASROC(I am not mentioning essm cause I you already know it) plus the fact thats its confirmed,that the new camm er missile will be able to be carried from mk 41,the ships also have RAM ,plus the fact that we can ask fro extra torpedo launchers, without asking us for extra money just because they have to do research like the french will do lmao,they also give us 2 10514 with 16 mk 56 and I think they also added ram,plus the fact that the dutch will give us 2 M type frigates, isn't that enough?

@@steliostade9128???

It is the best ship of all. But the Spanish Prime minister pissed off Mitso when he visited. So that deal which was good went out. Now the Italian FREMM with 32 Mk. 41 launchers for US missiles is the best with the Dutch sigma second.

6.5 bilions euro new frigates program already begins

Learn proper English first... Yes Greece has the money.... And even if dont.. EU should pay for them... OR stop investing in Turkey.....

Learn English 😃 Greece already bought them :)

Yes with high technology together its deadly compilation

We will be gentle with you 🦃🎯

they already have