Brian Robb shaq was the 2nd best player in Miami averaged barely averaging 20 and 10 by the time Nash was winning MVPs. Kobe (and others) have a way bigger gripe than him, especially with regards to Nashes 2nd mvp
@@kevinmac2298 I think Shaq is trying to say is that if you have to rank Shaq Kobe and Nash in the all time list, you obviously put Nash behind them, he is clearly not as good as Shaq and Kobe to have more mvps than them, I'm not saying he didn't deserve them, but is definitely weird to see at the en of the day
nicolas miranda burgos if that was his only point I think we’d all agree with him...but he started that argument by saying he deserved it during the Nash mvp years which is ridiculous
@@kevinmac2298 He deserved it in 2004-2005. Shaq was the best player in the league that year. Played both side of the ball, and even Wade had not gotten injured, would have led the Heat to the title.
My favorite player too, despite Garnett being better. Those that watched them both play know that without letting the bs accolades cloud ☁️ their judgment.
T Mac at his peak in 2002/03/04 was an absolute beast. I went to two playoff games in 2003 when the Pistons played the Magic in round 1 (big 'Stons fan here) and I remember being terrified of Tmac knocking them out first round, which without the help of a rookie with little regular season experience in Tayshaun Prince, Tmac and the Magic would have. He was just such a specimen athletically, and was a great scorer, getting to the rack and getting fouled and an underrated shooter as well. Hard choice between him and KG at the 3. LeBron was amazing in the 2000s, but his best years were 2010-2014 so he goes on the 2010s team instead.
@@mikeyoungblood1642 Nash turned a 29 win team to 62 wins. He was probably the most impactful asset to the team and was a complete floor general. Pg don’t normally win mvp as well so I think that the narrative and his impact is why he deserved the mvp.
I can get behind this line up I took Nash because I feel like he would add some much needed spacing with Shaq, Duncan and LeBron all occupying so much of the paint and I personally went with KG to further help spacing, and versatility defensively but i won't argue against Duncan as their soo very close.
Lebron??? Class act??? Hahahahah we're talking the same guy who made a big deal about Phil Jackson using the term "posse" and played the race card? The same guy when asked why he'll overcome something and answers, "Because I'm the best player in the world". Same guy who loses his cool in the finals last year when he was getting embarrassed by the nutcracker draymond green and the warriors in game 4? The same guy who makes his stupid opinions public about political issues when no one fucking cares or should care about what he thinks about shit like that? The same guy who takes PED's throughout his whole career and lies about it??? The same guy who ranted on TV after he crushed Cleveland's heart by leaving and he smothered it right in their faces??? Hahahahah wow!!!
This is fantastic. By far the best thing I've seen about basketball in a while I love these guys just being themselves! Shaggy so funny this is awesome
Shaq constantly brings up how its wrong that nash won 2 straight mvps when he thinks he himself should of had at least one. I have heard him bring this up before and always says his stats during the years that Nash won his mvps were 28pts and 15 rbs. But he seems to be mistaken of the time period when Nash won his mvps. He won his first in 04-05 and second in 05-06. Shaq had moved to Miami for the 04-05 season and had avgs of 22.9pts, 10rbs, and then during the 05-06 season had 20pts, 9rbs. Which isn't the strongest case to be an outright fav to get an mvp. For instance, during the 04-05 season Iverson was going at 30.7pts 4brds 8asts, kobe (27.6pts, 6rbs, 6asts), Nowitizki (26.1, 9.7rbs, 3asts), lebron (27.2, 7.4, 7.2), KG (22.2, 13.5). Now granted, Nash was going at 15pts and 11asts, but if any players had an argument about their right to the mvp it would be the others previously mentioned. Yet Shaq makes it out like he was the best player in the world during those years. So either Shaq is confusing the time frame, or he is confused with what he was actually doing at the time.
You could say all this truth to Shaw and he would just resort to his rings and say, “how many rings or finals mvps does Nash have huh?” He always just falls back to that whenever he loses an argument to this day! Lol
I’d say a bit better than average. Averaged nearly 13ppg with damn near 40% from 3. Was clutch in the playoffs. Not an all star, but there was a couple seasons he got close
@@Press1ForSummon in what world? You could argue he matched Penny in game 1 but over the last 3 games of that series Kenny TOTALED 7pts & 7 assists. Penny in the same span went for 76 pts & 27 assists.
People forget they changed the rules because the Pistons and Spurs, best teams in the league, were winning games and holding teams to like 70-80 points in games. It was a lot rarer to see 100+ point games in those days. It happened, but it was rare. The rule change plus D'Antoni's offense innovation was what made Steve Nash into the star he would become. But yeah, prior to D'Antoni, Nash wasn't considered an all-time great.
I'm not necessarily a huge fan, but Shaq is just excellent in this one. Pure comedian's performance, nailed it all the way through til that last line at the very end. (y)
Shaq has the right to vent about Nick Anderson missing 4 free throws in that game #1 in the 1995 NBA Finals against the Houston Rockets! I guess we all have to vent most of the time.
Shaq had heck of a session… Kobe & I got 1 MVP after wrecking playoffs, mad not on dream team 1, mad they started at hack a Shaq, bitter didn’t have Reggie or D Scott shooting touch, mad Pat Riley made me practice 5 hrs, Kenny Anderson miss 4 FTs in the Finals
Shaq always going at Steve Nash on these MVPs. First of all, for Nash's 2nd MVP year in 05-06, Shaq missed 23 games. He averaged 20.0 ppg and 9.2 rpg for the season. The 20.0 ppg landed him outside the top 20 in scoring that year and the 9.2 rpg landed him outside the top 10 in rebounding that year. He wasn't even the most valuable player on his own team that year. That would be Dwyane Wade. In 2004-2005, Shaq played 73 games. The Heat lost in the ECF, and Shaq averaged 22.9 ppg (12th) and 10.4 rpg (6th). All Star #s for sure, but MVP? I don't know who Shaq thinks he's fooling... Think about this for a moment. Shaq never led the NBA in rebounding. He's only 15th all time.
yeah even in the 04 season, he wasn't mvp calibre anymore. The year before w the lakers either. The last mvp type year was 02-03. but only winning 1 i in his career is absurd.
@@JustNeedaBeerandPark it could be but its a shame that kobe only won one mvp he had like 3-4 mvp seasons league disrespected him. he was top 5 in mvp voting for 12 consecutive years.
That's because Nash played ZERO defense compared to everybody else. He also didn't peak until like they said the game became less physical and he had talent around him. Iverson took a near talentless team to the finals. There isn't much comparison. Nash was good but not on the others level. Offense is only half the game........
Brian Edwards The 76ers were no joke stop that myth. Like you said, offense is only one half of the game and that 76ers team was one of the greatest defensive teams I've ever seen. They were much better than people think nowadays.
Simon I guess I should of said near non offensively talented team. And they were a good defensive team not one of the greats but good. But let's be honest that team was a one man show if Iverson wasn't dropping big numbers that had no shot of winning games. It remains a face they were one of the worst teams to make a finals.
And Marion and Amare were better. Shaq gets disrespected in 2005. He turned the Heat franchise around when he came to Miami. People stay confusing 06 with 05.
People forget Nash was already a 2 time All-Star when he was with Dallas. So it isn't like the rules changed and he joined the Suns and magically became a great player. It is entirely possible if he stayed with Dallas he may have had a similar career trajectory.
If this would be an actual team I would pick -Nash: unselfish point guard. Takes shot when it's there but mainly just assists lebron and Kobe -Kobe: main shooter -shaq: rebounder. And cmon it's dr. Shaq you need him -lebron: second option past Kobe, also decent facilitator to feed other players. -Duncan: unselfish player as well. Can also be a 3rd shooter because he has that jumper.
justin a if you saw AI's games on national team or in all star game he was racking up assist like crazy and running the offense. And on the end of his career when he had some good teamates in Denver he avrg. something like 7.5 and 8 assist while he got 25+ ppg. He had to shot 30+ attemps a game when he was a Sixer so they could win by 5-8 points. Nobody on that team could really shoot.
just put bron at pg, kobe sg, pierce sf, duncan pf, shaq c? let bron run the plays and have shooters like kobe and pierce to shoot from his passes, shaq for the alleys and inside presence and timmy d for the versatility from mid. whats the point of having nash and bron on the floor at the same time lol
Shaq has a point about Nash’s first mvp, but IMO he was the clear pick for his second; losing amare, trading joe Johnson and Q -rich. He was the only difference between having a 54 win team and competing for the top pick in the draft. That 2nd place finish following his mvps was also well deserved.
I thought Shaq was done in 05. But he showed that he still had it and turned that Heat franchise around before Wade became a super star. When he didn't win MVP that year I was like 😨
I love AI but I agree with Isaiah. AI should be considered as a SG. I like your lineup but I would rather have Kidd or Nash in the point guard position.
Louie Oakwood because it's low key ridiculous that Steve Nash has more MVPs then both Shaq and Kobe! Nash isn't even a top 25 player of all time. Like how does he have more MVPs then Shaq?? It's fucked up considering Shaq is the most dominant big man of all time
Wait a minute, Toughness?. Nash?. Those two words don't even belong in the same paragraph. Shit, they don't even belong to the same BOOK. How can a PG who never had any D be considered as "tough" only goes on to show how little people know about basketball. For reals.
@@hozman5700 check 04/05 overall stats. I know you can't remember the season because you didn't watch it, it's obvious (if you think Nash deserved a MVP, you didn't watch basketball that year). Nash didn't deserve that MVP. AI did. And if not AI, Dirk or Duncan deserved it far more. Check 05/06 overall stats. I'm sure you didn't watch that season either. That MVP had "Kobe Bryant" written all over it, but he still was paying for the bad PR consecuences of Colorado and his split with Shaq, so his 62 points in three quarters, 81 point game, ridiculous 40 point game streaks, etc, in a terrible, terrible team he carried, alone, to the playoffs (Smush and Kwame as starters...enough said) didn't count for nothing. And again even with Kobe out of the question Dirk and Tim deserved it more that season. Nash should have no MVPs to his name. It's as simple as that. He even wasn't the best PG at his prime, Jason Kidd, AI and Tony Parker were better than him, through and through.
Jason Kidd, Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, Shaq. MVP is a subjective award open to interpretation and discussion. But I feel Kobe should have two more awards rather than just one.
1. Kidd...Iverson...Parker/Nash 2. Kobe...Wade...Carter 3. T-Mac...Lebron...Pierce 4. Duncan...Dirk...Garnett 5. Shaq...THAT'S IT ! maybe Jermaine O'Neal or Yao Lebron clearly at the 3 in 2010s team...
You could also squeeze Howard in at the 5, considering his prime and bringing a team to the finals. This is probably the most solid list I’ve seen in the comments though. 👌
My 3 top 2000s teams. From 1st to 3rd Kidd-Kobe-TMac-Tim-Shaq. Parker-Wade-Pierce-KG-Wallace (Ben). AI-Vince Carter-Lebron-Dirk-Howard Last one was a hard call because I hate leaving people such as Ray Allen, Grant Hill (pre-injury), or C-Webb out. They all were amazing to watch. But someone has to be left out. Pre-Miami LeBron didn't have the toughness to be higher in those teams. Not reflecting on his all time career because taken as a whole he's a top-5 all time player and he'd be in my starting lineup of all time greatest players. He just wasn't at that level yet in the 2000s. I like Iverson more than Parker as an overall player but he's more a SG than a PG, I agree with Isaiah on that point. Still he played as PG for most of his career and If I'm going to class as a Point Guard... as a pure PG Tony Parker was just better. AI as a Shooting Guard would be in my 2nd best team and wade would be in the 3rd. And no, Steve Nash does not belong in any top-class 2000s team.
if where putting together a legit starting five im gonna take 2006 Nash 2008 Kobe 2009 LeBron 2004 Garnett 2000 Shaq With the caveat of saying, I really can't knock anyone or disagree too much with someone replacing 04 KG with 03 Duncan, both MVP's who did a lot offensively and defensively, but I think this is the most balanced 5 from the 2000's you can come up and every guy won MVP for the year I listed. Everyone of these guys can create their own shot, can hit their open teammates with precise passes for easy scores, even Shaq was a damn good passer for a 7'1 300lb beast post scoring machine. Also, all of these guys provide great length and size at their postion, even Nash who was still a solid 6'3 which is good size for Point guard. The only potential weakness of this team is Nash's defense, but he's got 4 tall, long, strong rebounding defenders with him. This team could basically play like the modern day warriors on offense, and be even more of a wrecking ball on defense. I stand by my choice of Nash at point, because while J Kidd could add some defense, I'll take the extra scoring and spacing from Nash because if swap Nash for Kidd all of a sudden the spacing goes from elite to just above average.
This is a tough list. Tim Duncan or KG at PF? AI, Kidd, or Nash at the point? Kobe get the SG, but only because McGrady could not stay healthy. Lebron at the 3, and Shaq at the 5 is kind of obvious. But I am glad Shaq finally admitted he was jealous of Lil Penny and that was one reason he left. Also, Nash has 2 MVPs and Shaq and Kobe have one? That is crazy
Nash deserved those MVP's.. Shaq wasn't dominant anymore when he was with the Heat. Nash joined a lottery team and have the best record after the regular season multiple years. That's like LeBron joining Lakers and and winning 60 games.
Steve Nash won his MVPs on 2005 and 2006. From 2004-2006, Shaq's average were 23/10, 20/10 & 17/7. If someone stole an MVP from Shaq, it was Allen Iverson.
Brauwow dude, it's an opinion ok...not that serious put LeBron wherever you want that's my list. it's obvious you're super young and living in the moment where LeBron is the only good player who ever played
Man, TMac was that guy! People talk about what Grant Hill could have been if he didn't get injured and saying he's better than Pippen in the 90's segment. But if TMac didn't get injured, he could have really become the 2nd/3rd best SG of all time, he was reaching Jordan level alongside Kobe
Hector Mangual clearly on that nostalgic juice. Couldnt be more passive aggressive if you tried. Tell me what t mac did better than LeBron other than maybe scoring? LeBron won more than t mac could dream of....in the 2000s alone. Why is it when someone appreciates today's players they're all kids? Majority of today's top players would smoke t mac and his trash teams
6:00 MANY players have benefitted from rule changes - specifically including MJ and "the Flagrant Foul rule grew teeth" after the 1990 Finals. Only a few got rule changes directed AGAINST them - Wilt, Mikan being the top of THAT list and nobody else was even close.
@@Sam-ky3su No, they didn't - they had to tone it down a LOT from 1989 and before. I'll also point out that Laimbeer had a 600+ game streak going when he got suspended in 1989 for an excessively dirty play - one of the events that helped CAUSE that particular rule change.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 You said it yourself, Laimbeer got suspended before the "rule change". It was the same before and after. Why else would the Knicks start playing like that after? 🤣
@@Sam-ky3su Laimbeer also toned his "tough guy" enforcer style down NOTICEABLY after the rule change - the suspension did NOT do that. It's also very obvious that players got a lot more cautious about that sort of thing after the rule change and it started getting ENFORCED - which freed up folks like MJ to take it to the bucket more often and become more effective.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Dude, just stop it. Laimbeer played the same way after that, as did the rest of the Pistons. That’s why the Knicks started playing the same way thing after that change.
MY best Starting 5 of the 2000s: PG-JASON KIDD (Nash may be the consensus favorite for "obvious" reasons, but Kidd actually took his team to the Finals twice during that decade and was a superior defender on top of that so I'm rolling with him here!) SG-KOBE BRYANT (the "No. 8" Kobe to be more specific AND THE ONLY Kobe I actually respected back then) SF-LEBRON JAMES (love him or hate him, can't deny his greatness anymore) PF-TIM DUNCAN (true "throwback" player at his position, not many of those left in today's severely watered-down game; could also make a solid case for Pau Gasol here as well) C-SHAQUILLE O'NEAL (last truly dominant big man NBA has had since, shame he didn't fully maximize his potential his entire career or he'd easily be in the Top 3 on my All-Time C list:::deep sigh:::)