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@@silverspadelordbecause they are. I'm not saying they don't deserve the money they generate for the league, but the laziness and "I deserve it even if I don't show up." has become a problem. We need a wave of Kobe Bryants in terms of work ethics to get to the league
To be fair, there is a ton of work these players do outside of game day. Even injured players are working out behind the scenes. Not to mention the crazy travel schedule and media commitments. It all adds up. That said... when you a paid as much as an NBA player, to play a sports game you supposedly love, precisely because of the fan base who fork out their hard earned money to see you play... you need to show up when you are healthy.
@@jphugo15 It's a pretty recent phenomenon. LeBron was one of the pioneers of load management and outside of two seasons (one which was lockout shortened) he played at least 70 games every season before he got to LA, including the full 82 his final season in Cleveland.
Honestly bro, I’m 26, I’m paying my way through university undergrad to go to a t14 law school. I hate my job, I show up everyday sick or not(unless contagious I work in a kitchen) no matter how much hw and studying for nothing. I can pay the bills and go to school, some dates and I’m happy, imagine doing “what you love” and making MILLIONS. Not just 4-10 million, but 100s and being upset you can’t miss more than 20 percent of your days on a short term notice.
You're not going to work the next day if you like sever some ligament in your wrist via some kinda knifework accident idk that's the best comp I got for the injuries players suffer (now more than ever because they're running faster/jumping higher and because they've been destroying their bodies playing the game for league profit since AAU ball and they're worn down by the time they're like 27)
The fact it’s called “load management” shows that state the NBA is in. Players are bitching about doing 80% of their job for 100% pay. They can still miss 17 games for no reason.
So basically they want to show up 50% of the games, while gaining millions of dollars + receiving bonus, awards and nobody should complaint about it? Not even the fans who make it possible.
not to mention if they don't make the playoffs they only have to work from late october to the middle of april, and they aren't playing everyday either
I hate to be the “oldhead”, but back then it was common for stars to play 70-75+ games, with half as much of the science and advancements that goes into player recovery. Player empowerment was meant to tackle organizations wasting superstar talent, it should have never been used as a ferry for pushing load management.
@Jay-rk5zr while I get that perspective, look at the WNBA. Far fewer fans means far less income. If every fan suddenly said, "I'm done, I don't want to watch anymore," all that talent in the world isn't going to mean much to keep their jobs. The lack of respect towards the fanbase is unreal. Over an extra 40$ million bonus. As if they don't make generational wealth as is. It's ridiculous.
@@slackerofhell i agree but the fans are the reason the players get paid they're not paying the players they are paying the billionaires who own the nba
My first year as a teacher, I ended up missing time due to a medical condition. I had to sign paper work acknowledging that I didn’t meet the district attendance requirement…97%. I was 96.8%….unimaginable that NBA players complain about needing to play 65 games
79%. 80% is my college attendance minimum if I want to pass a class and they are bitching about playing while still get millions when they play less than 80% games😂
@@Cocoflower528You can’t just round up every number like it’s a fast food order lol. If that was the cause, our paychecks would look a lot more bigger. 96 is 96, not 97.
Players before didn't need a 65 game rule because they actually played. They didn't sit out. There was no load management players took pride in playing all 82
I hope more people mention the 65 game rule for fans. We are paying HUNDREDS of dollars to see stars play, only for us to get a last minute load manage game? It ruins the product and disappoints fans. Also, the rule hasn't been needed in the past, because star level players ALWAYS played 70+ games a season
Utterly delusional. The reason it wasn't a rule before was simple: it didn't need to be a rule, because players gave a fuck about the fans and growing the league as a whole. When I was a camp counselor, we didn't have a rule about not shitting in other campers beds, but due to one "creative" kid, guess what wound up needing to become a rule? They still get paid for not showing up to work, and want raises and awards for it too? I swear they got no clue how it is they make their money in the first place.
“Everybody fine until someone who doesn’t deserve the accolades gets it” You mean like your teammate Andrew Wiggins who got all star because all the forwards that were better than him got hurt Dreymond?
Draymond just talking out of his ass saying he lost to kawhi who played about 51 games, takes 5 seconds to google and see he played 72 in 2015-2016 and 74 in 2016-2017
That is exactly why they have the 65 games rule. NBA makes most of its money on TV deals. Now the network dont want to pay for games when players dont show up. So they demanded that players play the 65.
Ratings are down because the games are meaningless. More than half the teams make the playoffs anyway, so who cares if you drop a few games and rest along the way? If the players want to play 65 games, and they're willing to keep the same pay per game, then reduce the number of games. Stop simping for team ownership and listen to the people who actually do the work.
@@B3Band Why did everybody else in the past play 82 and these guys can't? Eating too many soy products maybe? Or maybe it's their commitment and mindset. The game is softer than it's ever been so there's no reason to shorten the season, other than the fact these players lack of intensity and care about the game has made the NBA unwatchable, ontop of the NBA allowing the game to become so soft and non-defensive once Adam Silver became commissioner, so nobody cares anymore
I'ma be honest, it's crazy to me that some of the NBA stars even get max contracts with their expected injuries. Like why pay a max for a player that only plays 60% of the games. Dude should be paid 60% of the max.
I agree, i had an argument with an embiid fan and his argument was that the fan expext to much for him and he's only human i rebuttal with we at least expect him to play the game he's getting paid millions to play.
I think salary should be split into obligatory contract and the game-money. If you show up in the street clothes, you don't contribute to the NBA game as a product. So reducing salary + cutting bonuses (like all-nba money) is fair.
Listen up, if it doesn’t affect the owners bottom line then nobody cares. It’s a business. Why play a guy every game when u can rest him a 1/4 of the season and get 4-5 more years out of him?
Exactly like khris middleton who I like but dude been hurt the last 3 seasons yet milwaukee gave him a nice contract this past offseason and his health and abilities are questionable
It's kinda outrageous how NBA players and NBA media are this out of touch with fans ACTUALLY wanting to enjoy the NBA. You know how we enjoy the league? It's for players to actually play at the LEAST 80% of the regular season!
A.I. used to come in with a shoulder and arm wrapped up like a mummy trying to play games. Ewing in the playoffs playing with literally 1 leg. Kobe, Wade with mangled limbs but playing anyway.
No professional athlete in the world is more egocentric and sensitive than an NBA player. They hate fans. They’d rather spend their energy going at social media “hate” than actually play for the fans who love the game.
People like Green will make the average person turn against some players who actually have a valid issue with this rule, Draymon should have been talking trash about players who went too far with "load management" because that's the reason the league made this rule and guess what the players agreed to it.
Probably because the Player Association has negotiated more power for the players than any other group has been able to. Plus, a single NBA player probably means more for a team's success than for any other major team sport.
No it's not most of the major sports the manager can rest players as he sees fit, It's just Americans that want players to run themselves into the ground
The goal wasn’t for the fans. it was to get a bigger TV contract next season and to help stabilize gambling because having players rest on random days makes it hard to predict the odds for gambling, So the gambling commission was freaking pissed with Adam silver. So he did something about it it was for them for money not for the fans. The fans benefit from 65 game rule but it wasn’t for them that wasn’t the Goal.
No, 30 points 15 rebounds for 13 consecutive years if you were down to only 50 games per season. That is what it takes to get in the NBA Hall of Fame 19500 points 9750 rebounds. It is not like they will let in a load manager ahead of Chauncey Billups with his consecutive Eastern Conference playoff appearances.
@@slavko7898 what ?💀you do realize he still has to move right ? And also throwing a football correctly is not done with just your arms. It’s a full body thing
How did the nba take away defense and physical play but yet more players than ever need load management breaks and are “injured” more??? People used to play 82 games also while dealing with a more physical and rougher game back then?????
Draymond one of them dudes nobody was checking for when he was a regular dude so he couldn't express his personality as much but soon as he made money n fame his arrogance came out
The 65 game rule Lebron wouldn’t even be all nba last year and I’m not mad at that. He was all nba 3rd team playing 55 games. That’s barely 67% of the season not even 75% of the games.
Exactly, Bron and his fans want all of the upsides of continuing to play at a later age with none of the downsides. The world is in an entitled state @@neptune4359
4:57 with this point, a few years ago Lamelo ball won rookie of the year with only 50 games, and Anthony Edwards had an arguably better season and played 70 games.
Every time i see a video of this - there is only one thing to say really. Players agreed to this rule when signing new CBA which also give them all that extra money with contracts. And since stars like Joel or Draymond definitely knew what the CBA offer was, their complains are null. The entitlement is really getting out of hand.
I don’t like to be the guy who says “this is why…” but the ratings fall with the NBA because of the blatant disregard for the fans the players have. To have the level of bad self awareness like Draymond as it relates to the new rules and thresholds is insane to me.
Low starting to sound like Maybe this era isn’t as great as they pretend like they are. Better dribblers, better shooters but they don’t care about the game
Back in the day the standard was to play every game if possible. And they say todays players are bigger, faster, stronger but, somehow they're less durable.
@@samuellolango9720 no I didn’t intentionally leave it out but considering I accidentally left it out I will say that the average player probably isn’t much stronger than they used to be. And also strength will not prevent most of the injuries that come with the wear and tear of running, jumping, having bad ligaments/joints, or freak accidents. If it did then there wouldn’t be nearly as many non contact injuries as there are in football where everyone outside of corners and smaller receivers squats 300+ and benches 225 15 times.
People like to bring up people’s money and talk about how it’s unfair because a dude like haliburton is gonna miss out on a super max because he won’t qualify. Well, he’s on track to play 63 games, Jalen Brunson is on track to play 79. If Jalen Brunson gets all nba third team, he’s eligible for a super max for what will likely be his last big contract and this season is probably his best chance to get an all nba team to qualify for that super max. Point blank, 79 games at the level Brunson is playing is just better than 63 at the level Hali is playing. If we give it to Hali cause he got hurt, Jalen Brunson, who is actually performing night in and night out, gets hoed out of a super max, because we “feel bad for Hali.” People like draymond talk about how this affects the players money without talking about all the players whose money is getting affected.
I think it’s bs they complain about having to actually do their job, if someone else shows up more than you absolutely they should get recognition, who cares that they aren’t the big names, it should absolutely be a meritocracy.
"With great power comes great responsibility" said Uncle Ben. Current players took the upside of having power (money) witthout its downside responsibility.
@@khalilcruz5816 my best guess is either agent has been busy with amp stuff and hasn't had time, or Low and or agent doesn't wanna do it anymore, I have no idea btw
What annoys me is Draymond inability to recount history correctly. Zero fact checking just spits what he feels is correct. Unfortunately this is reflective to our population at large. Players need to stfu, suit up and play ball. All this trying to sway the narrative in any other direction is a waste of time. Dramond need to blame organizations (including the warriors) for making this a stead fast rule. The fans want to see you in Nikes, not you Gucci slips. Draymond highkey bitching too much for my taste...
Imagine implying that Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, etc arent totally deserving of the MVP award. Embiid wasn't even as good statistically as Jokic on a per game basis when he played this year (Luka has also surpassed him per game), he just scored a shitload. And even if Embiid was the best player per game, how in the world are guys who are ever so slightly not as good as him, but play WAY MORE than him, less valuable for the season? The rule shouldn't be necessary, but if it saves us from Embiid winning another MVP just because of the scoring title. Like bruh the scoring title is already a thing. He can take that home. Jokic (at least him) contributes more overall
How were they more valuable when he was doing the most valuable skill in basketball at a higher level than all to them? It’s like y’all forget the main objective of how to win in basketball that y’all just disrespect the scoring record without actually understanding what it means. And he was also doing other things so it’s not like he was just scoring. Just say you don’t like it embiid and keep it at that instead of making excuses for other people.
@@20k200 did you just say people forget that scoring points is the objective to win at basketball? No bro, we didnt forget that. Its just that looking at volume of points directly scored by an individual is a very simplistic way to assess a player’s value to an offense. Passing and efficiency matter. Avoiding missed shots and turnovers can make it so that a guy who doesnt even score 30 per game is netting more production than a guy averaging 36. Embiid’s traits that he holds over Jokic are volume scoring, athleticism, and rim protection. Jokic has him beat in the intangibles that make for winning basketball, and the analytics have backed this up, despite improvement by Embiid
Players are complaining as if the league made a one-sided decision, when actuality this was a rule agreed to by the players union during negotiations about the new CBA
You think the player’s union says anything but “yes”? It’s not like these dudes can stop playing ball and get another job and get paid like they’re being paid
My thing is that other sport disciplines don’t have these mindsets because if they don’t play they’ll either be cut or won’t get game time so ya it sounds like nba players feel like they above the league and entitled to some sort
The 65 game rule isn't for the fans, it's for the teams orgs that sell tickets to the game, and for the TV networks that pay big money for the broadcast rights. Both have huge financial investments in having the big stars play as often as possible, and what the money people want, the money people get.
Still the fans, because the the big tv networks and teams would be this worried if they have people lined up to buy their product. If no one watched the NBA, the network companies won’t pay big money for these games. Money won’t be made of the tickets. At the end of the day. You go to the coliseum to see the gladiators fight. Not ordinary people or people you have never heard off.
This is only a problem for guys going into supermax contracts! Player's/team's abused missing games to the point, the league was forced to step in because fans were fed up paying hundreds to thousands of dollars to travel to see their favourite player play only for them to sit out last minute because of "Load Management"!
Its crazy how these guys get millions of dollars and can not play for no good reason. While people today work there asses off and are still struggling.
There are nba players who’ve never missed games back in the day hell if im not wrong i believe mikal bridges has never missed a collage or nba game due to injuries
365 days in a year, but they make millions to only work 82, and now they're complaining about having to play 65. Basically work 65 games out of 365 a year. Dang!!
@@huntermach7356 yeah no it isn’t. Also, you have no idea about their schedules because they do morning and afternoon practices….sounds like 8 hours of work to me. Not to mention training camps and other things they have to do.
draymond really seems like hes lost touch recently (on the court hes still draymond) but probably around the first TNT appearance being so praised and then the podcast accelerating it i can't really get on board with anything he says anymore
Imo even tho I hate the In-season tourney they may need to extend it to put more of an emphasis on regular season games and maybe even shorten the season 10 games to 72 but extend the play-in tournament to best of 7 , players would Def play more games that way
Good point, if there was talk about me getting a raise at the end of the year and I break my leg and miss a significant amount of time, they probably won’t give it to me depending on how much time I missed. And yea it sucks, I’m a Sixers fan and want to see Embiid succeed, which means wins MVP, but the rule makes sense and I’m not mad at the rule. I just wish he didn’t get hurt.
Draymond is prime example why I mainly don't like this newer age athlete media because they're agenda driven to protect the player brotherhood from criticism WHEN THEY DO deserve it and to protect their fragile egos.They hide behind being ppl who "played the game" to act like their talking points are absolute when it's really the opposite for most of them
The NBA exists to entertain fans players getting paid is a side effect. The NBA should always prioritise the fans and spoiler, NOT A SINGLE FAN HAS COMPLAINED!!!
Not a single fan has complained ? I guess all the RU-vidrs who make video to expose that are neither NBA not basketball fans ? And the decreasing ratings probably mean fans are happy with the current state of the NBA ?
I’m a baseball guy. They play 162 games a year. I know baseball is a lot more relaxed than basketball, but 162 games over 6 months is still a lot. I don’t hear them complain.
Must be hard having to work 65 days a year for 20, 30, 40, 50 million. What a tough life And NBA Awards are already a joke, Kobe and Shaq won one MVP each.
Imagine driving 3 hours paying hundreds of dollars to watch a player play and they sit out for no reason. These guys are straight scammers and have no empathy for the people who make there jobs possible
I'm from Michigan and my earliest basketball memories are of watching the Bad Boys Pistons win their championships. When I was a kid I thought you were _supposed_ to just clothesline anyone trying to drive to the rim. 😆
I'm still trying to see Jimmy Butler live, 3 years in a row the Heat have visited the Magic on or around my birthday. Wife and I have gone to this matchup with hopes to see him and some how he's being out each time. Last December once again they came on my birthday and he was out and my wife had a feeling this would happen and had gotten me another game in MIA next month against Utah. Fingers crossed a FOURTH TIME IS A CHARM 😅
@@blank-vj1mc it's one player, at the end of the night I'm still watching a basketball game and having fun/rooting for the team I went to go watch once a year based on a lucky scheduling coincidence that they roll into town on my bday weekend, relax it wasn't that deep guy.
@@oc3891 BTW, would you have ever w considered tickets if Jimmy Butler wasn’t on either team? No. Because you don’t want to watch to G league teams play for the ticket cost of an NBA game.
@@blank-vj1mc that high horse you are struggling to ride is giving that airhead of yours a nose bleed and it shows. No one cares to entertain whatever anti corpo agenda your woke self is trying to push lol it's cringe. I've been going to both Magic and Heat games since 01. Especially when one of those teams suck that year, tix are that much cheaper! "eVeRyOnE aRoUnD mE r ShEeP" lol yea sure, we get it kid, you're broke.
Tbh I think people are just so enamored with Joel's ability they want to ignore that he's always been injury prone. Health should factor into the value someone brings to their team.
NBA players not caring about the fans is like Walmart employees not caring about the shoppers. As in, it's completely normal and justified. They are there to make money, not make you happy. If the players are willing to keep the same pay per game and play fewer games, then the only reason it isn't happening is greed from the owners who want as many cash grabs per season as possible.
Players being angry at the 65 game rule just shows why it exists. They WANT to miss games. Their whole mindset is rotten. They are just proving why the rule is a thing. If it wasn't there they would "load manage" every other game.
This is blasphemy and copium at the highest level. Joel Embiid is somebody that’s infamous for being injury prone. The 76ers medical staff is infamous for their incompetence. This rule was necessary for the players that are not injured but still refuse to play. And acting like this rule is the reason that Embiid is injured is plain stupid. The reason is Embiid playing with a injured knee and an opponent falling onto that knee. If you are injured and miss significant amount of games you wouldn’t get mvps or all nba selection even if this rule wasn’t existing. And for crying out loud. The Jokics of this world manage to play 70+ games every season. Did Shai even miss a game this season ? They can stay healthy. This is not a problem for the NBA. This is a problem for Joel Embiid and the 76ers. Their franchise player and medical staff were willing to let him play injured. This is a stupid decision independent from any circumstances. Or is winning a MVP that much more important then being healthy Mr Joel Embiid and 76ers franchise ?
I used to think DG was smart. Turns out he talks about his feelings and what he thinks is fair instead of what's right and what's true. He doesn't even know stats about himself that he cites. How lazy is that.
If Draymond loses a DPOY to a player who played significantly less games than him, he would be the first to champion the 65-game rule and discredit others
we are missing something huge here, its not just the players its also the ORGANIZATION who will sit players. The 65 game rule can punish players who are legit injured and can't play.
NHL players will play with a broken nose, fractured foot, or literally a broken sternum. Meanwhile NBA players need "load management". Absolutely wild.
The fact that players think the 65 game rule is about them is insane. It's about the damn fans. Especially those who travels thousands of miles to watch the game and their favorite player sits out for rest.
Look at Halliburton and Embid who both got injured and then tried to play to meet the game requirements and then got injured worse, that’s the main reason why players hate the rule it’s going to tank their longevity
Late to the vid but just wanna say thanks for droppin these. Definitely enjoy listenin to your opinions on topics, helps gets through work💯. Hope this stays a constant thing though nba seasons to come. If not it was great while it lasted.
Imagine going to a restaurant and order Steak and Lobster but get a Grilled Cheese and no refund. Fans that pay money to see their favorite stars get screwed out of money.
At this point, I dont even think they're mad at 65 games being a minimum. They're mad they're being told to do anything. The NBA could say minimum 50 games tomorrow, and the players would still complain.
As an NBA fan, I will say this. I couldn't care less if any player qualifies for super max. Am I supposed to be SAD that a person making 250 million wont qualify to make 300 million? Get out of here. The 65 game rule is here to prevent load management. To prevent healthy sitting, cos if you can only sit X days, you won't sit for no reason. Guess what - us regular workers have amount of sick days allowed, PTO etc. Meanwhile these millionare divas want us to just accept with no explanation, no reasoning "he needed time of" "X injury" etc. Like - some may say these people deserve privacy and all. But they are CELEBRITIES. Part of being a celebrity is losing part of that privacy. That doesn't mean that it's fair for papparazi to stalk them in their houses - but we as fans deserve to know why someone like Wiggins for example - is missing games two years in a row for personal reasons. The only players that the 65 games rule hurts, realistically, are just those players on the edge. Someone playing 63 games and missing it by 2, while actually averaging 3ppg more than the rest. Like if Luka played 65 games, etc.. But even players like Luka, Embiid, Joker, the moment you go down to 60, as you said in this video - you aren't getting that award anymore. One thing I will say about the supermax, especially with the 65 games rule is that - the supermax, now more than ever - should be seen as bonus, as reflect as bonus on the cap. The supermax should be away to award a superstar for achieving amazing shit wearing your jersey for prolongued period of time. So it shouldn't count against the cap, punishing the franchise/team. At the same time tho - I think supermax should be lost if you get traded. If you demand a trade - you lose it fully. If the team trades you in the last year or something - the old team pays the difference. So in Dame's case, he would lose it cos he demanded a trade, but if Portland forced the trade, cos they felt he isnt delivering, then they should be paying the difference between the max and super max.
