What a gentleman Joe Perry is, it's not just that he called himself on foul which most players do, he aslo told at 27:40-45 that red is not on the right spot and that he can pot it now. Damn.
Everyone is a gentleman when theres 1000s watching and tv cameras and replays and re watching. If it is obvious you saw it, youd say it too. It is not to say he wouldnt without those things but maybe that helped his decision to call it out.
Only reason he didn't dominate like Hendry. Not had the best part and all and thus isn't mentally the most stable. Outside the game he seems to be a decent bloke nowadays, though. But back then he at times was insufferable which only was comparable to his genius on the good days.
Rarely you hear commentators on Ronnie's side, in fact most times they want the opposition to prevail but like the opposition they too fail miserably!!!!
I've noticed that to one commentator in particular always trying to predict a fail for the rocket no matter how many time the commentator gets it wrong
The F Bomb. Take a Look. But Rugby League is the toughest game in Town. They ain't Choir Boys. But it did upset My Devout Catholic Mother. I never dropped F Bombs when My Mother was around. Her rage scared The F Bombs outta me.
@@healthiswealth7899 you don’t change the rules just because it’s a hard shot. Pretty played it and got the snooker, then because of people like you not being very sporting you want to change it because it’s too hard lol
Young people taking up the game should force themselves to practice using their non dominant hand. Here in Australia all the top Australian rules footballers can use both sides of their body when needed, which shows that it can be learned. In snooker the advantage Ronnie has doing this is huge.
I'll never understand why the powers that be try to reconstruct what is basically a bar game onto some zombie like utopia of gentlemanly conduct where emotions are more or less taboo.
MAYBE (I don’t know; this is a guess) it’s because when they decided to put it on T - a decision I believe Sir David Attenborough had something to do with, because the colored balls would look good on color TV - they then had to clean up the image, requiring waistcoats and banning naughty language? Making it more like the billiards played in gentlemen’s clubs or the billiards rooms in stately homes?
It's always been a gentlemans game... there are some foul-mouthed players in bars, but that doesnt mean that snooker is a dirty, foul mouthed, game. Also, what is wrong with having manners and respect for the opponent in a game? Why are you opposed to having respect?
What’s the point of making the snooker extra difficult if it’ll just be less likely a miss will be called therefore the better the snooker you put them in the less points you’ll potentially earn from it. How is that fair?
@@EannaButler How is that logical? The better the snooker is the more points you deserve to rack up. If you manage to get yourself into a snooker you can't get out of then you deserve the points you lose! This would also make the game so much more exciting because no matter how far a player is behind you know they can still win it and still have hope.
Trouble was the ref had heard Ronnie curse himself & instead of letting it slide until the frame had finished made an issue out of it. Ronnie then took offence and as time went on the ref realised his error so made another (by not declaring a miss) by trying to right his earlier wrong.
@@gegwen7440 I think he was worried how Ronnie would take it if he made him keep shooting from that position when he was already hot headed probably would have conceded the frame honestly, not good though ref should be impartial no matter how emotional the players get
I feel that, just perhaps, some people think that the miss rule is there so that a player can gain multiple foul points from an exceptionally good snooker. Of course that's not why the miss rule is there.
@Johann Sebastian Bach Well, that would mean changing the rules of the game, and requiring the ref to somehow adjudicate on how 'good' they deem the snooker to be. OR it means essentially taking the 'racking up of points from the miss rule' as a means to determine the worthiness of a snooker. Let me ask you a question, I don't think anyone would suggest Perry's snooker was particularly exceptional, but let's envisage a situation (and I've seen it a few times) where a similarly difficult to escape snooker was achieve by a spectacular shot, do you think the ref ought to make a different decision in that case...let the miss rack up points until snookers required perhaps because of the great shot the player made to produce the snooker?
@Johann Sebastian Bach I suppose utilising the miss rule to enact a 'more points for a good snooker' type of change in Snooker would be objectively the best way of doing it. I guess I've always been critical of the miss rule because it allows for the racking up of points, even when the snooker is close to impossible. I just don't think a player should be able to practically win a frame from one (albeit possibly) great shot. And of course your system doesn't preclude that from still happening, which I realise isn't the point of it! I just don't see the need to change the rules so that players can essentially be guaranteed extra points for single shots. It sounds somewhat vulgar for some reason. can't put my finger on why lol.
@Johann Sebastian Bach Yeah, the miss rule was introduced to stop players gaining unfair advantage from half-baked attempts to escape from snookers. The rule isn't applied when snookers are required. I always thought it should stop one before that, the miss before snooker required.. No snooker player will see advantage for consistently missing the ball on, to the point they require snookers! Remember the 2020 WC semi between Kyren and McGill? The latter had miss called 8 times! Who playing the decider in the world championship semi wants to go from a bunch of points up, to requiring a snooker? I remember another event when John Higgins got really angry at miss being consistently called. I recall him muttering 'I actually am trying to hit it!', or words to that effect. Both of those events, and who knows how many others, the referee is indeed adjudicating how close the player is to hitting it. It seems like the reason why the miss rule was introduced isn't being applied in those scenarios. If a player is trying to pot a ball, and cues right across it, missing the pocket by a wide margin, and ends up snookering his opponent, shouldn't the referee not call that a miss too? It was a bad shot, a poor attempt, and he gained advantage..
Nah - he did that because the baulk area was fairly congested, so to go from black to yellow posed a much higher risk of running into other colours and thereby not being on the yellow. By going green->yellow->green he eliminated that risk by keeping the cueball up there all the time.
@@henrikhyrup3995 I'm not saying Ronnie's reason doesn't make sense. I'm saying that human nature wants 7 points instead of 3. Ronnie always choose the right ball to go for, even if it is the tougher shot (at first).
However, you must consider that foul points resulting from a foul & miss are not a reward for a good snooker. In fact, the rule does not say that foul & miss should reward a good snooker.
@@AngrierGorilla Well, in practical terms 'rewards' are irrelevant. What is important here is that the fact that Perry played a good snooker and effectively gained no advantage, which is the whole idea of playing a snooker.
@@dougieroberts7045 the point is: was it a miss? The ref thought it wasn't. And by the rule it's not a wrong decision. Other ruminations about "advantages from a good snooker" are completely irrelevant.
@@AngrierGorilla - Try to respect the game of snooker, of course it was a 'miss'. What the referees personal thoughts are dont matter in the slightest, he needs to remove his personal thoughts and resort to relying on the rules of the game, they are clearly defined and not open to personal intertpretation. The whole idea of playing a snooker is to gain a tactical advantage, the better the snooker, the bigge the advantage gained. The referee was wanting to appear to the viewin public as impartial and capable of making a sendible decision, he failed miserably. Anybody who plays the game would acknowledge that. The referee had opporutinity to call the miss and take due note of the 2nd miss, should it be a miss, he didnt do that, basically he was intimidated into a confrontation with O'Sullivan,,, ultimately this comes down to where we started, .........Bad refereeing.
@@dougieroberts7045 Miss rule: "A miss is when the cue ball fails to first contact a ball on and the referee CONSIDERS that the striker has not made a good enough attempt to hit a ball on." As you can clearly see there is the verb "CONSIDERS", so the thoughts of the ref ARE relevant. You don't even know the rule.
I'm confused with the commenters repeatedly saying "We don't have any idea what the warning is about". The producers flashed text on the screen about "Ref warns Ronnie for swearing". Come on, you over dramatic Brit commentators. Get the big picture here.
Joe Johnson is like a disapproving parent when the players don't take what he considers the best shot. The fact he's often right doesn't make it any more tolerable.
@@sdrtcacgnrjrc yeah that’s him. I’ve come to appreciate Hendry’s commentary a LOT. It would not be any sort of blot on his accomplishments if he stopped his comeback and focused on commentary, because he’s awfully good at it.
@@johnsrabe yeah, I'm a big fan of Henrdrys commentating. I'm enjoying his comeback myself -- even if he only shines in bursts. I guess the main thing is that he enjoys it, or gets something out of it
@Cesar u talked about respotting the balls in this video Please clear 1 doubt related to it What if we need to respot the black but it's position is not empty and all other spots are covered as well but there is empty spot near the black position on both sides(towards the pink and towards the top cushion) which one will it be placed Had this que from long but somehow I have never seen this situation in snooker matches
oooh thats not the best shot he's(ronnie) played ! then drops the black on the last shot like it was nothing ' no wonder ronnie gets the shits with the officials they have one job to do and stuff it up yet they are on ronnies back over the slightest discretion
Once the NEXT shot is played everything stays no matter mistakes by the ref where it is and the REF shouldnt be asking at the A grade level or even B grade as i am qualified what to do or ruling. You must be the authority but also try to stay out of the way too so players arnt distracted. Perry might be sensitive and a swear penalty might have effected him too and make the game a little edgy for both going forwards as he can sense O'Sullivans frustration or whatever is going on with such a brilliant but strong minded player.. O'sullivan made all sorts or mistakes and gafes and just wanted to be out of there but lower players have limited money so these games are costly and important to them so.... Ronnie should treat all games the same and try to make the experience for all players something good..
@@jodyrolandconstruction6577 with the black on the spot you could make a shot like this, but it was near the cushion, so a forced shot like that increases dramatically the chance of missing it. Imho the snooker was a wise choice.
Ronnie being a bit petulant there. Bit hard to respect someone when they get themselves on the rag over trivialities. Ah well, that was back then. He's gone through menopause now, his older self is a lot more sanguine. ;)
"This is the most boring match ever, we know Ronnie's going to win...let's keep talking about 'the warning', definitely more exciting than the snooker at the moment."
