Neil deGrasse Tyson Is Not Afraid of Artificial Intelligence | Within Reason #28 

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Lol Alex trying to butt in

You're a cliché

U just hate him cause u r rasist and he's black. Neil has accomplish in science u and your generation will never get.

I have seen Cosmic skeptic interrupt before. Did he forget how to do it?

His lack of self awareness is hilarious. Such a bellend

The irony

This is an underrated comment lol

Lmaooo, I get a feeling he's thinking of his peers and his idols when he says that, not himself

Depends on your definition of humble lol. He might think he’s the most important human to ever exist while also knowing that human toil is insignificant when juxtaposed against the vastness of the universe.

I suppose it depends of what you want out of your interview, if you want just to get someone to talk as much as possible. Definitely. If you want to get some specific information, get to some important points, maybe challenge some opinions in detail. Then not at all lol

@@diegog1853 You get a lot of specific information about important points from Niel. That is not an issue. So if you are saying he gives you too much, then maybe. But he is going on there to talk.

Robin Williams used to do that, take over the interview, but it was much more entertaining.

@@Anjalena #1. Robin Williams was a comedian/actor/ entertainer. #2. He was white so he didn't trigger your racism.

Me, literally me

Hahaha

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underrated comment :D

Underrated af.

Motivation. Computers Don't Care About Anything.

I was just going to write that, lol😀. He's the worst when he's in a panel of his peers. Bearable one on one.

Which is pretty goddamn impressive, to say the least.

Isn't that what a good interview should be, i.e. the guest doing most the talking as long as he/she sticks to topic? Too many interviews are high jacked by the interviewer.

@@misterocain No, he is filibustering so the interviewer can't ask followup questions to challenge is ideas. I happen to agree with Neil's, perspective, but come on:)

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Hahahahahah 😂 this is so true im like that too tho so it was a moment where you held a mirror up to me friend

I'd be asking questions the whole way and probably learn allot

I’ve gotten paid for doing that kind of “work” before, so I wouldn’t actually mind🤣

He’s a shill

exactly lol

​@@Maximustard oh no, ppl shilling science and education, how horrible. This comment was brought to you by raid shadow legends. Like wtf is even the problem.

Nah that isnt "passion", just because you are passionate about smth doesnt mean you have the right to be this fucking unhinged. Hes a fucking r-*ard, he constantly interrupts everyone because he loves to smell his own farts and his ego makes him think hes on a way superior level than everyone else, he literally ignores what the other person is saying while acting extremely condescending like if the other person has the brain of a child compared to him

@@ljubomirjuraj9658 raid shadow legends?

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Wake up Alex, it's time for your sleeping pill.

Lmao

What does that mean?

@@reinforcedpenisstem he is saying he finds NDT very annoying and obnoxious

Can you elaborate that further? I don't quite understand

@@Dann-md9eq Neil is great at giving speeches, and really sucks at having conversations.

@@garywood97 he's great at conversations 🙄 watch the show.

Imagen inviting a person and than being surprised that person is himself. 1 Neil would not be invited if his personality wasn't so outspoken. 2 If you want to interrupt him you still can.

I think it's charming in a way Plus, he did respond to the host's questions. Just in a lengthy way that highlights possible trails of thought you could run the question down.

Terminator hunting you? Just say no.

It's a bit like trying to turn off the internet. Sure, we could do it with a big amount of effort, but we won't.

Neil view on AI seem a bit naive. First there is no shifting goal posts, but mainly confusion about rapid evolution in the field AI. As impressive as all recent advancement seem, we are still talking about narrow AI which is in a sense is still a very elaborate calculator, a tool. The fear is about artificial General intelligence (AGI) and ultimately ASI. The concerns are that (1) We begin to see sparks of AGI (2) We do not understand how AI work any more than we understand our own brains, nor what constitutes consciousness, and likely will not be able to tell when or if AI passed the singularity threshold (3) there are a lot of incentives to developed AI, from the usual economic incentives to global power arm race, which may result in AGI created intentionally or unintentionally. (4) Contrary to Neil claim, we already building AI robots including in human form, form companionship to military application. (5) many AI systems are given autonomus functions and are able to collect information from the outside world not just the internet. (6) AI are being integrated into more and more system to deal with vast amount of data, arguably an AI integrated into something like Chinese extensive surveillance would be as close possible to omnipotence. (*) btw to expand on #3 even current narrow AI can exacerbate many problems on the internet (from your usual scams to disinformation, propaganda) and it becomes much more accessible, able to run by anyone on any laptop (lets see you turning that off) and without any safety measures. err.. I kinda runoff here no time to improve I am already in the tldr area sorry

@@mordin999 Daily reminder that AGI doesn't exist yet, not one single line of working code has been written.

ChatGPT is just a server some where. You think you can't turn of Google, but you can

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no way

That's a huge overstatement.

@@MrSnoots it's a subjective statement, and I hold to it. He and Glenn Loury are my 2 favorite interviewers and for similar reasons: both are able to well state their opponents' views or just views they don't hold in order to get the most out of the interviewee.

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I'm no AI specialist but I think its pretty likely there's at least some reason to be concerned because it is genuinely very different from past technological revolutions. This is the first time we will have a highly generalized intelligence as opposed to something more specialized like a calculator or computer. Due to generalized, autonomous intelligence (or at least semi-autonomous initially) it definitely seems to be possible that programming it not to do something wont be enough once it reaches a certain point because it will probably be able to override anything and it will be far more intelligent in every way than anything that's ever lived on earth, making it very hard to predict what its capabilities, motivations, or intentions will be (if it goes on to develop any). AND it will be capable of increasing its own intelligence - to what level, who knows The ai threat is also easier to accidentally stumble into than something like nuclear annihilation because of the less-explicit danger, the exponential progression, and much greater unknowns involved as higher levels of complexity are reached. A nuclear apocalypse is also survivable by humans, the majority would just die off and a small population would live underground. On the other hand, just about nothing would be able to hide from a sufficiently advanced ai

Alex should try to interview someone like Robert Miles, who has been creating educational RU-vid videos about AI risks for years. Even appeared on Computerphile a couple times.

@@cookiecan10 Great suggestion! Huge fan of Robert Miles; just edited my original comment.

@@user-md3wm7vu1f Great points, I second pretty much everything you said. I'll add that scientists fail to predict how quickly technologies will advance -- all the time. A particularly stark example was Enrico Fermi thinking that a sustained nuclear fission reaction was 50 years off... just a few short years before he accomplished it himself. This is important because one way people assuage themselves and dismiss existential AI risks is by saying artificial general intelligence is "at least 50 years off," as though even that is enough time. I'll probably make a video about AI risk on my channel at some point.

Or interview Yoshua Benugio.

To be fair this was an interview, you can clearly tell that this is not a debate format. Interviews are normally meant to extract information from the person you are interviewing

@@TheAxeter Much of the time, you will have noticed -- surely? -- that NGT most of the time refused to let Alex O'Connor finish his question before NGT was off and running with another windy soliloquy.

Absolutely, NDT is the worst at communicating ideas.

In ancient Greece they called this kind of people Sofistes. Half knowledgeable, self promoting. I never liked the guy and multiple times I ve heard inaccurate or just wrong things from his mouth. He is good at faking the scientist. But he is not one.

@@thomasthompson6378 yeah he definitely did, maybe he's just too excited, it seems to be a flaw of his but I'm not perfect either. I do appreciate that he didn't dodge the questions at all.

What a load of rubbish. He makes the most of his time available to him to share his educational experience he has with us. It's all limited time.

​@@roberthereandthere4366 ah yes, that's why he talks about mice in basements in his book instead of poverty (which he actively didn't choose to put in there because "there wasn't enough to write about"). Neil is maybe smart, but he's also egotistical, illogical, ideologically blended and not that great of a guy. I would summarise him as an average but well educated redditor.

​@@roberthereandthere4366 Hi teacher I'd like to learn about "a"and how it relates to "b" and "c" Teacher: "I'm so glad you asked, I'm going to exclusively talk about 'b' the next 45 minutes and maybe mention those other two if it happens to come to my mind randomly"

@@NotLordAsshat Yeah, that sounds right for an Asshat

​@@roberthereandthere4366 that's hilarious. NdGT is insufferable.

How did you count?

I salute your diligence

Sounds like you had a very fruitful bout of boredom😂

Well technically he's doing an interview. He's not the one being interviewed.

I still think NGT kept interrupting Alex more than I find desirable.

It doesn't help that he talking to someone who is clearly not trained in science.

@@peterm1240 neither are the 99% of the other interviewers are that he does. Thats not an excuse, Neil made a career off educating ppl who have no "science training". He should be able to do it.

@@peterm1240 This is largely supposed to be a philosophical/meta-discussion about science. They're not actually writing conjectures or theorems. Alex generally asked thought-provoking questions, although NDT never allowed the interview to move beyond a certain depth.

i think thats just his nature, some people are like that. it does not necessarily indicate narcissism and isnt necessarily rude or insulting, but in a podcast setting with very limited time it can be annoying

@@basedmase777 NGT tries to explain complex scientific Ideas in simple and comedic language that most people should understand. His answers seem low bar due to the fact that it's usually the level of those he is talking with. NGT is extremely confident and knows that when he is being interviewed that he "IS" the centre of attention.and the interview is about him and he generally conducts interviews on his terms. In otherwords he is controlling the agenda not the person asking him the questions. That confidence may come across as arrogance or narcissism but it's more likely his way of not getting tied up in pointless small talk.

Absolutely

He’s unquestionably an arrogant person.

NDT is absolutely arrogant and condescending, and suffers from a massively inflated ego. He really used "I've written over 50,000 lines of code" as a qualifier to speak on AI while saying that Elon Musk wasn't qualified to speak on it. As somebody who has probably written close to one million lines of code, and has worked with neural net models and machine learning software directly, I am of the opinion that Neil is out of his depth here and should have some more humility in this area. His cosmology credentials have zero to do with machine learning or AI.

@@willashland4597 but 14:50 he said the very opposite with this number: " I'm not an expert, okay, hold aside that I've written 50 000 lines of computer code and I've been thinking about computers my whole life, I don't present myself as an expert "

@@willashland4597 writing a million lines of code must have fried your brain because he literally said he wasn’t a qualified expert after that.

I don't think you have a realistic chance on that seeing how much Neil loves Neil

I think you are conflating "Neil loving Neil" with "Neil loving to be Neil." I'd love to be him too, at least for a while.

I've always loved you...but here you are ogling astrophysicists😞

​@@feedback1204 very true. He's quite the specimen.

i think the way he talks is just his nature, some people are like that. it does not necessarily indicate narcissism and isnt necessarily rude or insulting, but in a podcast setting with very limited time it can be annoying

I mean, aren't we here to hear from the interviewee, not the interviewer?

@@Firehazard159 isn’t the interviewee there to be entertaining and not threatening? Your complaint cuts both ways

​@@Firehazard159 Isn't the point of a podcast to have a 2 sided conversation? I'd find it more interesting if Neal engaged with Alex without being arogent and controlling

@j8acob1 @Firehazard159 @whoisandrewblack5679 @stevem83 One thing was said in these comments with which I agree: "I really like Neal and his insight is fascinating." The rest is gobbledygook (had to spellcheck that) Apart from entertainment, the intention of the interviewer is to challenge the guest. The degree to which the guest is threatening, "arogent" or controlling, is the failure of the interviewer. However, I think that Alex did just fine, because he seems to me, to be agnostic to the assertions.

@@whoisandrewblack5679 threatening??

Brief flash of self-awareness

Alex is pushing his worry in the discussion even though Neil has stated numerous times that it is not the way he's looking at this. So I am not surprised that Neil reminds Alex about that.

Absolutely true. And i don't think the "almost" is really needed... even if someone _knows_ about their lens/biases (which is quite rare IMO), there's not much they can actually do about it.

no no no. Listen again

He's saying he's a science expert and you don't need to be afraid of science so long as there are regulations

he asked for his opinion , he gave it with a disclaimer , don't hate because his opinion isn't same as yours

​@@pooglechen3251 and how do you regulate China or Russia?

@@nakkadu You secretly build it, just in case! And leave it switched off until some other idiot turns theirs on.

Or Eliezer Yudkowsky, he's been on a fair few interviews lately!

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Robert Miles is one of the best. And if you've watched computerphile, you've probably seen him, but not known his name.

It's incredibly humble to be willing to adapt/learn like that, especially given his age and status. A lot of people have way too much pride to do anything of the sort.

He's pationate, I'm no genius but whenever someone asks me about starwars lore I go on a 30 minute explainer lol

"Pigs.....are in fact NOT fish." 😮

He’s an intellectual narcissist. They’re impossible to reason with.

No it's just his speaking style, he is always aiming at the 'wider' audience, because at the root he is an educator. It is quite effective for his goals as an educator.

@@wattlebough Especially when NDT is making excuses for continuing to create the demand for animal agriculture.

​@@StephenMoreira he stopped being an educator long ago. Narcissists make lousy teachers.

One of my favorites! Only thing is that it's pretty dated in terms of all the computer stuff, but the overall argument still holds up in my opinion

He expanded his arguments more fully in "Shadows of the Mind" (1994)

@@charbelbejjani5541 very interesting. Thx for the Info!

@@charbelbejjani5541 my god i loved ENM read it like twice and now 'Shadows' is just sitting on some page on my desk because I sabotaged my attention span

Please just stop tuning into Neil on podcasts. We don't need more cliche commentary.

@@morbidmanmusic Lol, only positive commentary are allowed? Or are you trying to defend his ignorant position? Are you also convinced like Neil that you will always be able to just unplug an AI "because they need electricity"?

@@morbidmanmusicI’m aware of a lot of cliches, but unable to identify any that you might be referring to. Maybe you don’t know what a cliche is.

What's the point of interviewing a person if he doesn't talk through his point, that's just stupid cancellation culture, you are talking out of your emotion and you feel your fragile ego threatened by someone you have never talked to and doesn't even know you

@@DarthVaderfr its not an interview dummy. Its a podcast and a discussion first and foremost. Neil is unable to converse back and fourth and just completely runs over the pod allowing Alex like 2 or 3 words every now and then

Everyone and their mother's dog overuses "cancel culture" just to make the blandst point ever.

@@DarthVaderfr Go back in your crib with your sippy cup, adults are talking. You're literally crying about nothing, you unintelligent clown.

my real oppinion - NDT is a good thinker and researcher, but not really built to debate and converse with, his strong suit is lectures and stand alone stuff

YES

Yes please!!!

it is from the perspective of a layman and not based on the objective facts regarding how the technology works and is already being integrated into modern software/hardware

@@charlespalding very clever smart ass 🤣

I was thinking the same thing. Neil has such a misguided perspective about veganism, and it would have been perfect if Alex could have pushed him on it. Very disappointed.

When I opened up the video I was kind of expecting this to happen, unfortunately. I think Tyson is a person who sculpts his public profile a lot. He has learned from his twitter escapades and he doesn't want to get to deep into particular issues that he knows will make him unpopular. I think it's entirely possible this is because he genuinely wants to be a successful science communicator and in order to do that he needs to appeal as widely as possible. So he puts the spicy tweets in a secret file. However, I think he knows that there are certain issues he can just blabber on about without much consequence to his career (or perhaps with positive consequences to his career). I think veganism and many other social justice causes that are outside of the mainstream fall into that category, but perhaps one day he will have to either re-evaluate veganism or end up a disliked reactionary geezer. I don't think Tyson is an particularly strong anti-vegan force in popular culture, but of course it would be very nice to have him either stop what he's doing or have his mind changed and become a vegan advocate.

That's hilarious

Well, he means humble among scientists. Around you asshats on the other hand...

Mr. ?

​@@notme5744 yeah. I worked in PMA--Physics, Math, and Astronomy division--at Caltech and male astrophysicists are the worst. It made me glad I didn't pursue that career path.

@@jacobus57 That's strange that astrophysicists specifically would be worse than others. I can imagine most math based fields attracting a lot of competitive or even arrogant guys for obvious Testosterone based reasons, but it's weird that astrophysicists would be worse. Kind of funny though. It's a shame you left if that was something you were really interested in. What do you do instead?

The most humble. We’re great at being humble. No ones as humble as us. It’s so impressive how humble we are. We should be worshipped for our amazing humility.

Yeah, what was that??

It surprised me, too. I imagine he meant the most humbled scientists on tla regular basis.

Neil would seem to agree lol

Yet people always have him on their show. Go figure. Maybe yoU should tune out, as you're commnet adds little.

@@morbidmanmusic I mean, it wasn't meant to add anything, I just noted an observation. Your comment adds little and that's absolutely not a problem in the slightest. Overall I enjoy listening to NDT, it's just that his style of communication is more suited to TED talks and presentations, not so much interviews/conversations. And that's absolutely fine too :) The internet is a serious place these days!

​@Rafal the internet is seriously stupid these days

@@tschorsch I guess. It feels super polarising, all vs all, lol. Although I spend most of my time online learning for free so I won’t complain too loudly!

What did he say that you find egoistic?

​@@TheAxeterego ≠ egoistic

@@kurteisner67 Bad faith argument.

yea when he said that it made me almost spit out water i laughed so hard. he is insanely egotistical, and apparently has no self awareness or sense of humor either.

@@TheAxeter Egotistical. I assume that's what you meant. He said astrophysicists are the MOST humble people. Keyword: most. Implies he thinks they are better than other people. Which is evident he believes that of himself at least.