Ranger did a trash job of explaining the courier. You literally just click the button. Thats it, don't worry about keybinds or anything, especially for a new player. Ranger out here making Nemesis look like a fool because he couldn't explain it in a simple or clear way.
Keybind for quickbuy + keybind for deliver. Thats all you need, dont make a new player try and control it. He didnt even explain how to buy items either. Left click to show recipe, shift left click to put in quick buy, right click to purchase. Simple
I played dota for like 4k hours and im emerald in league, so i have a lot of hatred inside of me, and i really love Doom ult because this is one of the best displays of hatred towards someone on the enemy team.
“Every spell seems so overloaded” i think that’s the point of having a balanced game lmao. Either everyone’s is spells are fucking doom bots or u end up having K’santes, Hweis and newer champs against Annies, Jaxs and older champs with basic kits. Dota balance is actually very well designed
@@ibrahim5463 no if you new, never watch guide or pro player GL stay in herald rank, dota is not a friendly beginner game you cannot learn to be good just by play blindly. also here is a few guide that i find good enough for people from LOL watch TZAR POTATO & for people that want to learn what mechanic in dota like pull etc watch ZQuixotix
@@ibrahim5463 no, dota is not like LOL or other moba. spamming only let you to know heroes skill worst case stuck at herald or guardian remember those rank almost always have player with 1k hour at dota. also here is a few youtuber that have good explanation for player that play LOL = TZAR POTATO for beginner mechanic = ZQuixotix is also pretty good. dota is not beginner friendly game and it will never be you need the basic
your teacher is clueless about dota. u had nothing in your quickbuy and bought items and he kept insisting that wuickbuy makes the courier go buy items and deliver. which, none of that is true. you were better off without the teacher as you were making better decisions on your own 😂😂😂😂
Why did you decided to stay in dota and what things you enjoy in dota more than league? -A dota player who is forced to play league cause it's what his friends prefer.
6:41 gonna call doubt to whoever is coaching my guy here. Claimed he is high, i am smelling a 4k. Try pulling illusion plays without control groups. Or have better control in heroes requiring micro.
he said earlier he is not going to tell nemi about control groups because he will not be playing a character with summons lmao. ergo "those are useless for you do not worry about them"
You shouldn't worry about control groups when you're first starting Dota, even if you're experienced in other Mobas. I think the coach did a good job focusing on things that differentiate Dota from other mobas in the order of importance. Hero roles, Attributes, Map asymmetry, etc. I would've spent a moment just to have him look at how the courier works, and how you can move and control it like your hero, and it has it's own inventory, instead of telling what buttons to press to have the items come to you. In my experience, when teaching Dota to players from other mobas, it's useful to tell how and why things work the way they do, and have the players use their experience to figure it out. Like when you're teaching things you don't just tell the answer, you try to have them figure it out with your guidance.
@@Ukulisti You can just say forget about it now (referring to control grooups) and still save hotkeys for them instead of declaring them useless. It's like half assing things. Or the coach as i said doesnt know how important they are.
League brain lmao, skill shots are the only thing that comes to his mind when he sees heroes when many of dota's spells are complex in the fact that they have to be used in various situations, timings and orders. Spells are one thing, Map rotations, items, macro movement, visions etc are going to destroy him if all he cares are about skill shots
The reason he says this is because he considers “complex” league champions, the likes of Aphelios/Hwei/Azir, lower skill ceiling than skill-shot based champions the likes Syndra, Vel’koz, Xerath, Jayce etc. (see his champ difficulty tier list). Unfortunately “complex-kit” champions in LoL don’t have a good reputation among the pros. And those with high apm (like Twitch Kog) are always very overlooked in terms of difficulty.
@@MaxAveris I think you're overstepping a bit with those larger picture concepts "destroying him" if he focuses his attention on balance around skillshots. You're talking about a rank 1 higher elo Korean server mid laner, who's clowned professional teams with clear capacity in Fnatic multiple times. I'm sure Neme can adjust his existing astute knowledge of these pre-established concepts from League to Dota with relative ease in comparison to the average player.
i didnt play dota in like 8 years but the courier management trigged me so hard, man just tell neme to press F5 and then F3 after he buys and thats it, he keeps moving the courier manually after pressing on F5
For a newcomer the easiest heroes while learning the general playstyle are probably Lich/Venge/Ogre/Undying in support role, Tide/Centaur for offlane, Lina/Queen for mid, Jugg/Drow for safe lane. Though Drow is a bit nuanced it would be the perfect gateway for a ranged carry playstyle. Once you get a general idea then you can look into strong laners like Viper/Razor and flash farmers like Luna/Gyro/Sven. Its very difficult to one trick/ two trick in Dota except for really unique heroes like Invoker/Meepo/Visage/Chen and NP(mainly because of how strong he has been recently) to some extent. As someone who has watched pro league for almost 5 years now there are a few parallels in Hero and Champion playstyles that are somewhat apparent. Main parallels would be Drow and Ashe, Lina and Syndra, AP leblanc and Queen. There are also parallels in abilities/ults like Destiny and Shadowstep/Haunt so once you discover these parallels it would become easier. One last thing to remember is TP scroll only has a 60 second cooldown and only 40 seconds if Boots of travel have been bought. Even though the map of Dota is much larger, this along with the newly added teleporters makes split pushing dangerous. Hopefully this would be useful for any new players wanting to try Dota 2.
I dont think support role is friendly to LoL players. The role has completely unfamiliar gameplay compared to LoL. Midlane seems more friendly because they're 1vs1, no need to pull and usually has outplay, offlane can be same because they fight a lot in mid game
i played dota for about 20 hours, i tested few heroes and i can say from my experience best/easiest and most of was Earthshaker/Sniper/Jugg/Tiny and Zeus, those 5 characters were most fun and pretty easy, especially Earthshaker, there's so many cool thing you can do with this champ, not only he provides a lot of utility, he can also oneshot whole enemy team
Many people told him to play a non-niche hero like Lina for a bit to learn items as she can build almost everything and work then after knowing what items do and seeing multiple enemies, he can expand who he plays playing new heroes every day is worst way for a game that's all about build diversity. I also don't get how he hasn't been told by his friend that Dota about stats (Int, Agi, Strength) and not dmg increase yet here we are with his friend telling him play whoever. If u know items, pulling and creep mechanics Dota becomes way easier to get into as some items legit fix the difficulty of some heroes. He how many days in and no one told him about rod yet lol
Me and my friends are low elo (used to be archon ish level, now sit in crusader - or silver/gold equivalent of the original ranking system) but we've taught a lot of people the game that have gone on to get higher elo than us. Our mechanical skills are not the best anymore and we play for fun, but genuinely any questions about UI/HUD and many other things can be answered by any elo - like setting a quick keybind to where deny just requires autoing your own minion, or stressing the importance of denies in lane. Nemesis is challenger - these concepts take 5 seconds to explain and once he gets shown where to go I believe id be safe to assume he knows about the more general principles of wave management from league that it will carry over. Played league since S1 myself and Dota since 2014 with around 5.8k hours. I have a lot of experience with both games, but I am just a casual player since ranked isn't good for my mental but its the only way to guarantee your role. In case you play in the future: 1. The difference between quickbuy and stash: Stash stores the items you purchase from your quickbuy, if you call your courier to you by pressing the hotkey for courier (i rebound all mine) and then W to bring it to you, it wil pick up the items in your stash to automatically run to you with them and give them to you, no extra effort needed Do it a few times and it becomes second nature within a single game. Just be careful, if your courier dies (2-3hits) then your items are delayed by i believe 2:30 until your courier respawns then travels all the way back to you again. No new items for that time unless you walk or tp to base 2. Congrats you always have Teleport - its just better on a 90s cd in this Dota for 100g. I think that's a way to stress the macro gameplay of Dota with its bigger map because its basically a requirement for everyone to have TP on them as much as possible off cd just in case they need to get to a fight across the map and don't want to spend literally 1:30 walking there. 3. Supports are generally incredibly poor and roam a lot more. It is so much more gold efficient for a Pos 4 soft support/roamer especially because gold income is much harder to come by (your creeps getting denied or just a bad counter matchup). There are many many heroes in Pos 4 that are built for roaming (mirana, earthshaker, earth spirit to name a few) and Pos 5 players have it even harder because they're expected to stay in lane more and stack camps, pull camps, set up wave management for pos 1, zone, ward, buy dust for invis, buy smoke for ganks - don't overstock or understock up on wards or you wont have vision when you need it etc. Now I love me some support in league, but I can honestly say its much harder to learn in Dota because there's a lot more macro you have to do with not a lot of explanations. 4. Positions are flexible - Terrorblade has been a well known hard farming late game carry for years now - and recently hes been seen more in pos 4/5 with a new Q max build based around slow and saving allies with your ult (details not important). There is a much wider range of viability for each role. If your pos 3 goes squishy offlaner then your pos 4/5 needs to be an initiator - and with some supports that is literally not possible - so offlaners or mid laners with cc and damage can fit into pos 4 in a pinch if they don't require expensive items to be viable. 5. Roles within Positions are flexible - some pos 1s like antimage farm for 40min and show up 6 slotted at the end of the game to dominate, while others like Drow/Meepo want to fight in early skirmishes with their cc and dominate into the mid game to hopefully close it out. Hero knowledge is 90% of the game - it dictates how you view the enemy team and your own. Sure they might lock in terrorblade, but if its pos 1/4/5 you have to play very differently into it and potentially change your pick. 6. Counter matchups are worse - There are heroes that are literally Anti-you (Antimage, duh). Wanna play a melee single target right click carry into Axe/Bristleback/Necrophos as a lane opponent? Nope. Its not a skill issue most of the time - the matchups are literally that bad if you are on equal footing. Counters are HARD counters in dota. Each game plays different. That's all I got off the top of my head :D. Sorry for rambling but this is one of my niche interests im excited about. Edit: Forgot one thing., High ground and Low ground was mentioned but I don't recall day and night differences being mentioned. Daytime Increases hero vision for all heroes except Nightstalker. Nighttime vision decreases the vision radius of all heroes with a few exceptions (Luna/Nightstalker) as well as heroes that can "force" daytime or nighttime for a set amount of time (Luna/Nightstalker for night - Phoenix for Day). This can make a huge difference as to WHEN in a game you can fight certain heroes - seemingly minor but it comes up a fair amount of times. Also one last silly thing: Everything is broken, nothing is balanced so it is...ironically balanced.
welcome to dota. hope you enjoy the game, and my only advice (which you probably already know) is to ignore toxic/griefer people. There's a mute function both for text and voice chat. Let them be toxic and just report them afterwards. Focusing on yourself is better than giving attention to those toxic players. 😊
League player PoV: "There's no skillshots! Every hero is so easy!" Imagine a moba that is so mechanically easy, that the only way for skillful players to prove themselves is to hit skillshots. I am partly joking, but I suppose that's the main difference between the games. LoL's difficulty is presented in the way of skillshots and reaction time, whereas a good DotA player knows how to spend their resources effectively and rewards game knowledge. Basically knowledge and preparation VS individual skill. I prefer DotA, but both are good in different ways.
Windranger can play pos 1, 2, 3, 4. She's meta in all of these positions and she's easy to pick up. It's easy to figure out which items to build with her. Very strong last hitter. Very mobile. She can easily play the powerfarmer as well as easily play the roamer and fighter. And she has one of the longest attack ranges. When playing pos 4 she can go either utility build (more typical support) or more attack build so she's very flex. Since she is universal her damage scales with all items. I think she's the best hero to learn the game imo. Disagree about pos5 being useless shit. What happens in Dota is you have a huge amount of farm in the map, almost all supports have a skill to powerfarm lane creeps, and after coddling your pos 1 for the first 10 minutes the map opens up and you get free space where you can powerfarm. Usually one or two cores are in the jungle, two or one cores are in a lane farming with safety, your pos 4 also competing for your farm but they usually have spells that help them farming jungle more so they take less space farming lane. Pos 5 farms lane usually but some farm jungle too depending on their kit. The only exception is when the hero truly doesn't have one spell that can powerfarm even just the lane creeps, let alone jungle creeps. But that's like Disruptor only at this point, even Lion can powerfarm lane creeps. And Disruptor becomes mega op with just aghanim scepter so it balances out. Default Space key setting is putting camera on last (relevant) event, which is like a teamfight starts, tower is getting attacked, this kind of stuff, since the game didn't even start yet there was no relevant event and it defaulted to the very center of the map You can rebind alt key to something you press easily, I put it on space button. You can also go in keybinding settings and default press Q as toggle autocast and you can then set alt+Q to be a normal single cast of your spell S is better to cancel action, pressing hold won't stop certain spells and you might want to interrupt a spell. For example Windranger you might want to interrupt her ult because the enemy has activated blademail, hold won't do that Ember Spirit, Storm Spirit, Void Spirit, Puck, Queen of Pain, are the classic five very elusive mid heroes. Queen of Pain is the easiest of the lot and Puck the hardest. Pangolier somewhat fit the same shoes but less slippery more tanky, hard as much as Puck to play.
Ranger is like that older brother that is forced to look after you. But he is also 28 living in the basement. He still tries to be cooler than you, but he just isn't,.. and it awkward. and they both just sit there eating their Ice cream,....
Damn this guy sucks at explaining lol. Makes courier a lot more complicated than needed and he doesnt even explain how enhanced autos work and that alt q is just putting it on autocast
@@NemesisVods that's fire! Can't wait. Loved the way you were able to pick up all that information. Even for my mates it's sometimes difficult to explain new heroes to them
bro i have been playing the game for like 2 months and I could explain the carrier mechanics better then nemi coach its better to tell him all the mechanics then trial and error explain to him that there is a manual control mode and an auto pilot mode and you can pre buy sort of the item you want in the shop with SHIFT click and then you can QUICK BUY Those components etc repeat one of the most important things in the game efficient shop usage
It's not true anymore, he doesn't have that passive that makes his spells do damage based on enemy hp. He only has lvl 20 talent that gives him Current HP based % damage on Q
@@egrassa1480 look at his ult description. It literally says flat 550dmg and under it it says 10% max hp as dmg. 🤦♂️ I'm not talking about his old passive (Static field, lol)... Also he has a talent that makes Arc lightning deal extra % dmg, but I'm talking about Zeus ult.
first time i played dota 1, i played queen of pain cos she was hot. i got my shit recked so hard lol. half the game i was asking people how i bought lumber :D
@@doommaker4000 idk, havent played DotA in ages and I was pretty good, just saying it's one of the reasons I left and many people leave. You literally had that with Grubby a few days ago :) Just super elitist community, not even talking about toxicity, idc that much about it
its different kind of "overloaded". In dota every hero is extremely unique and their complexity gives insane amount of strategic and mechanical freedom...while in lol its just copy of the same skillshot other heroes have but just made complex for the sake of being complex.
sure ranger did a pretty bad job of explaining things, but expecting him to be a pro dota coach when hes literally just a challenger trynda player is kinda funny. all the comments saying "this coach sucks" are so goofy because bro is not a coach in the slightest, he just likes dota lmfao
I really hope nemesis realizes dota is a much better game with greater complexity and much better community than league..I recently left LoL for dota after playing it since s1 mainly because of the community.
i mean you can just talk with them saying key objective words(like roshan, top, bot, mid and all that shit) if you really want to communicate @@itsgonnabeokay9341
@@Andy-xd5dj Dota heroes are not about skills, about "faker, what was that?", it's the skill to survive in combat as long as possible. That's why league players when come to dota always feel bored of the low mechanic heroes, but they don't understand the meaning of survival in combat is the real skill to win the fight. This game is ten thousand times better than league but it's just sad to see the hard of this game lead to many people don't want to play
Funny he didn't read any spell and just spam click like a clown followed by his friend. Dota players can just play league and adapt easily while league players always frustrate when come to dota. I wonder why dota players call league is a kid game with better marketing
PLEASE master this game its the GREATEST reward !!! 1 hero named INVOKER i spend months trying to master and did tutorial to land spells and BOY now i play it without effort and its extremely satisfying. GAME has alot to learn alot of depth and alot of ways to outsmart your enemy. DONT LET toxic players stop you focus only on your journey!
...how? how does it look terrible? Does dire side make you scared or something? Are you the type to look at classical painting of someone being killed and say "uhg this painting is so ugly"?
