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Nerve Stimulation with Ultrasound? - Crash course with Dr. Hadzic 

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Many practitioners have abandoned the use of nerve stimulation in conjunction with ultrasound-guided nerve blocks. The commonly used rationale for dispensing with nerve stimulation is that stimulation is not needed, because the needle-nerve relationship can be seen on ultrasound.
However, multiple studies have documented that intraneural injection can occur with ultrasound alone. In a study by Krediet (RAPM, 2014), even experts missed 1 out of 6 intraneural injections. In this video, Dr. Hadzic argues for the rationale of using nerve stimulation with ultrasound as a standard additional monitoring tool for safety. This is different than the role of nerve stimulation in nerve localization, as it used to be used before the introduction of ultrasound in PNBs.
He then makes a strong case for the routine use of nerve stimulation as he demonstrates its value in several clinical cases and argues that the occurrence of an unexpected distal motor response to nerve stimulation in those cases may have contributed to the patients' safety. Finally, documenting the absence of a motor response at 0.5 mA (0.1 msec) represents a very strong medico-legal document, as the response is either present or absent. In contrast, ultrasound images are subject to interpretation and are therefore difficult to document.
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Комментарии : 31   
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 2 года назад
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@mohammedalrbadi8189
@mohammedalrbadi8189 2 года назад
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@gregoryhickman8643
@gregoryhickman8643 2 года назад
Very good discussion Admir. I agree totally and have preached this for years. I have done a very posterior approach to the brachial plexus interscalene block for many years and we have found nerve stimulation has protected the Long Thoracic nerve (which I never see) and the dorsal scapular nerve (which I sometimes see in the middle scalene muscle) from injury by identifying the twitches on the approach to the interscalene nerve roots. This has helped numerous times. Sincerely, Greg
@DRBLUESNYC
@DRBLUESNYC 2 года назад
Thank you Greg. Agree with you fully. Nerve stimulators are not convenient, but they do provide complimentary information that can make a meaningful difference in patient safety.
@JustPeaceLoveAndKindness
@JustPeaceLoveAndKindness 2 года назад
Had many new partners come onboard and everyone scoff at the fact that I still ask for nerve stimulator for my blocks. A lot of universities are not training new residents to use as a compliment to US. Just seem more safety over convenience should always be advocated, especially from the academics..
@Bushehri1
@Bushehri1 2 года назад
You are very talented 👏 Dr. Hadzic, appreciate 🙏 all your excellent 👏 videos 📹. Thank 😊 you for the video 😊 📹
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 2 года назад
So nice of you. You are very welcome!
@rekhaahluwalia2439
@rekhaahluwalia2439 2 года назад
Thank you Sir
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 2 года назад
Most welcome!
@davidecappelli9961
@davidecappelli9961 2 года назад
I always perform blocks using the so-called dual guidance technique, there’s no “old school” when you offer more safety to your patients…and yourself! Besides, I think that daily practice with dual guidance gives you a tactile sensitivity and a certain visual repertoire of near-catastrophes that you become more confident even in the case you should need to perform a block just with landmarks and paresthesias, like in a low resources context, out-of-hospital scenarios etc…👍
@DRBLUESNYC
@DRBLUESNYC 2 года назад
Right on. Regards.
@olivierndamage
@olivierndamage 2 года назад
Thank you Dr Hadzic
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 2 года назад
Very welcome!
@onaodito
@onaodito 2 года назад
That may be true with low quality sonovisible canulas, like the one being advertised at the start of the video. Not the same for other german sonovisible canulas though.
@DRBLUESNYC
@DRBLUESNYC 2 года назад
In my opinion - most manufacturers needels/cannulas nowadays are pretty similar in their echogenicity. The manufacturers spend a great deal in marketing advantages of their needles in terms of ease of visualization, presence of laser etching, etc, but practically - they are very similar Pajunk, BBraun, Vygon...We use all of them in our practice, and make a choice based on the desired length and gauge for particular block, NOT based on clincailly better echogenicity etc. Greetings.
@1966pcr
@1966pcr 2 года назад
What about paresthesias alerting a neuronal injection?
@DRBLUESNYC
@DRBLUESNYC 2 года назад
Hi Peter. Good comment. Paresthesia can definitively be a symptom of a needle/injection gone the wrong place. However, even a minuscule injection of local anesthetic can abolish paresthesia. Same with the nerve stimulation. Or overuse of sedation. The challenge with paresthesia is - what is paresthesia (not common) vs. pain on injection (common). Think pulse oximetry - ET tube can be in the wrong place for a long time before O2 starts falling down. When it may be too late. But the capnography kicks in earlier with the information. Therefore - the more monitors with different information, the better. Greetings from NYSORA.
@1966pcr
@1966pcr 2 года назад
@@DRBLUESNYC Hi Dr. Hadzic, Thanks for the quick reply. I had largely abandoned nerve stimulation for some blocks because I felt confident in my imaging skills. Maybe I need to re-evaluate. It makes sense to use as many tools available to complete a clinical picture. Thanks for your great presentations. Warm regards.
@ziajan6037
@ziajan6037 2 года назад
Thanks alot sir aloooot of respect from pakistan.. Zimri orthopedic and bone reconstruction team. Ur very lactur very helpfull for me becouse iam a anesthetist
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 2 года назад
Thank you very much !
@gopishan100
@gopishan100 2 года назад
Thx Dr Hadzic for the extensive discussion. My Question is, can we still use nerve stimulator when we have given GA with Neuromuscular blockade? It should still elicit some sort twitches as it is direct stimulation of the nerve.Whats your opinion?
@DRBLUESNYC
@DRBLUESNYC 2 года назад
Hi there. Short answer is no. In the presence of neuromuscular block, nerve stimulation is not useful. Best regards
@gopishan100
@gopishan100 2 года назад
@@DRBLUESNYC Thx for clarification Dr Hadzic. We do most of our blocks after GA induction for the sake of patients comfort. So, should we change the practice for patient safety or is it OK ,we just do it forgoing the safety cushion offered by dual guidance technique? Your advice Dr Hadzic🙏
@BL-su5wt
@BL-su5wt 11 месяцев назад
Excellently presented logical approach. As an "old school" doc who lived and worked through first the landmark approach with parethesia endpoints, then the nerve stim. era, and ultimately learning US guidance, I have to the same conclusion. I.e, using every tool at my disposal to help me confirm what I thought I was seeing on ultrasound. You hit the nail on the head with this presentation.
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 11 месяцев назад
Thank You so much. We really appreciate feedback from people with rich experience like You, so thank You once again.
@oceandiscovery5288
@oceandiscovery5288 2 года назад
Question: would dual confirmation using nerve stimulation potentially help avoid intravascular injections during ultrasound guided nerve blocks?
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 2 года назад
Hi Ocean Discovery! The nerve stimulation would not be helpful with intravascular injection prevention. Instead using the ultrasound color Doppler or better yet power Doppler for greater sensitivity and compression and decompression maneuvers by the Doppler and ultrasound probe are most helpful. Thank you for asking this interesting question. Greetings from NYSORA!!
@tomwademd381
@tomwademd381 2 года назад
Thanks!
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 2 года назад
Thank you for supporting our team, Tom! We appreciate your recognition and are excited to continue making anesthesia education available to all. Best wishes!
@nashaatabdelhalimsinger2291
@nashaatabdelhalimsinger2291 2 года назад
Thanks a lot
@nysoravideo
@nysoravideo 2 года назад
Most welcome!
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