Netflix's Wednesday: A Woeful Waste of Potential 

lots of youtubers who did videos on Netflix's Wednesday had the same issue of the comment sections getting randomly disabled. Maybe it's a more widespread issue and I've just been watching too many Wednesday videos, but it's kind of odd that it happened for so many Wednesday show commentary videos

When Elon owns YT, he will do YT files and all the censorship will be exposedddddddddddd

lol sure....

This^ she is a muderer aswell

Agreed

I thought it was so weird that she was repulsed by her dad possibly being a murder when she is an attempted one herself. It unintentionally makes her seem like a poser or something.

She was repusled because it was her dad, in her eyes he was the one who COULDN"T and when we was accused that threw off everything she knew about him

@@ForgetableOne Original Wednesday is far more terrifying than this Wednesday who looks like a wanna be goth edgy teen lol

The ONLY interesting thing about it was the fact that one of them was a murderous monster. Wednesday would NOT be turned off by that discovery. They didn't have to make him fully evil even in human form, either. They could have banded together to fight against the teacher and try to reprogram him into not being controlled by her anymore. Making the dead founder with a staff completely unnecessary as a first season ending.

I AGREE. I fully think the love triangle was just shoe horned to fit the teen-drama genre. I didn't want or need it, and i died when wednesday kissed tyler

I mean, Wednesday already has tons of chemistry with Enid than all the boy interests combined

The love triangle thing was more of a one-sided thing from Xavier, Tyler faking his interest and her not giving a fudge, just being pushed into it by Tyler's insistence.

YOU AGAIN

Yes! I didn't really like the show and love the triangle was so underwhelming. I only watched because of Jenna.

watched for wenclair. was disappointed with the cheap love story and love "triangle" i got instead

i wished for no love triangles or ships...i am now disappointed.

Bros spat facts there, literally the only reason i watched it was for jenna 🤣

Honestly went for Jenna and stayed for the entire show I liked it

Oh yes, his arc was a mess all the way, sprinkling his concern for spending time with his father and talking about mother feels so out of character after the reveal. For me is like Hans from Frozen who acted very nicely even when he didn't know Anna was a princess or when sisters couldn't even see/hear him. So it was all to deceive viewers? Back to Tyler I really don't get why other characters don't see him as a victim.

Hydes in general are so confusingly written. Are they inherently evil or just so oppressed even among outcasts that nobody can help them? Also, they’re kinda likened to having bipolar disorder (Tyler thought that was what his mother had) which is a VERY eyebrow-raising implication either way lmao

Yeah, that bugged me too. And wednesday being okay with torturing him herself, but then the torture from the villian was just a byproduct of evil and no big deal. Here is one throw away line about it.

I maintain that treating supernatural transformation with nuance, as a potential loss of bodily autonomy and as the possibility for empowerment through different characters at different points in the story, would have made Tyler and Enid's confrontation way more meaningful than Enid shifting purely for plot convenience cuz that ultimately undermined the central message of self-affirmation communicated by the queer-coding of her character arc.

@@marielaberge8236 Oh for sure - it could've been really interesting if they leaned into those sorts of horror elements and /especially/ if they had a sort of through-line connecting Enid & Tyler. In a different story they could be set up as interesting foils with the contrasting ideas of being unable to transform/having no control over transforming and how both of those relate to their lineage.

What annoys me about this arc is how it feels like they tried to mash two different metaphors into it - for one of them, the way it ended was perfectly fine, and for the other, it was fucking abhorrent. I would have no complaints about it if it was just a metaphor for being a late bloomer, and the weirdest thing is how little you have to change for that to work: lose the conversion therapy line and have Enid react to the pamphlets with embarrassment rather than terror, and it's a perhaps slightly silly, but alright subplot. But then the queer reading of it creeps in, and it becomes just...downright bizarre and disgusting. It's like not even the writers were sure what they were trying to convey with her. They could've gone the long route of her gradually accepting the fact that she can't wolf out, but it isn't a sign that there's something inherently wrong with her; she won't end up as a lone wolf because she's created her own "pack" of non-werewolf friends who she loves and protects, not on instinct, but by her own choice. That would've been so cool, and they threw it away for a frankly underwhelming fight sequence.

Absolutely this!!! No one talks about this and it’s one of my biggest gripes!

What on earth did it have to do w gay people? The “not fitting in” trope is so common in fiction. Plus the spin on this trope was that she didnt feel special because she didn’t have the ability to wolf out. You are just linking it.

Nice I'm not the only one that thinks that monster was ripped from the game

Tbh i straight up thought the monster looked awful lmao, and now i cant unsee plants vs zombies lmaoooo

THIS

This should be the plot for season 2.

So who framed Roger rabbit

YES

exactly. the addams have never been judgemental of other cultures/hobbies. the "pick me/not like other girls" traits and dialogue they gave wednesday made me so sad

That I think was her attitude coming from the outside, looking in at high school culture from the perspective of her odd (kooky, spooky) family background.

Right? I knew I was having a deja vu moment.

it would make so much more sense if, instead of belittling other people, she just defended her own interests

on a side note, i am punk leaning more on the gothic side of things and i've had had a similar haircut to Wednesday for the past 2 years and wear pigtail braids all the time, and before this show came out i got the occasional Wednesday Addams joke thrown at me but now i can't wear one of my fav hairstyles without being pelted in jokes about 'being into goth girls like wednesday' and it makes me so uncomfy as an ace person. and my hair is LITERALLY BLUE, I look NOTHING LIKE HER.

just these days i was thinking about theres still some relics of a sort of q ueer competition for representation in media for the sake of example lets say in a show from the 90s there was a female character that could have been read as queer coded and ended up with no canon hetero relationships, a lesbian fan and a acespec fan could both read her as their respective sexualities even if they could sometimes contradict each other's interpretation, which if you have been in a fandom where that happened you know its breeding grounds for prejudice and bullying by taking wednesday's history of being so uninterested in men and heteronormative marriage, putting her in a love triangle where she has no chemistry with the love interests and having one of her most developed relationships being with her female roommate/close friend the show just created that same situation where both marginalized groups have to really read into something and compete with each other to have representation... aren't we supposed to have become better than what we were almost 3 decades ago?

Tbh Jenna's acting is pretty okay-ish at best

@@footl0se I couldn't agree more. And let's be honest : I think it's safe to say ''pretty'' is the key word here.

Also the dancing scene playing to Lady Gaga music

It is strange to say that she didn't wanted to copy Christina's version of Wednesday. I know that Jenna herself said this, but it is illogical since from the writing and characterization, the Wednesday from this series *desperately* wants to recreate Christina's version of the character. Now it makes sense to me why I wasn't particularly convinced with this version. The actress and the writers had completely different goals.

I couldn't agree more.

Her shtick got old tbh

Agreed. Especially with their reaction to the whole 'Gomez accused of murder' subplot. The Addams all seemed to have the same reaction to killing in self defense as normal people would, but their family motto was 'we consume those who would subdue us'. They would not be afraid to admit to Wednesday what had happened, and honestly, Wednesday likely wouldn't be that upset that her father may be a murderer.

Considering she's a girl whose dream jobs would be things like executioner or grave digger in the original concept of the series, I feel like the writers just completely misunderstood what Wednesday is all about.

@@leonardofarias8843 why wouldn't she? She's electrocuted her own brother just for fun before. A little murder wouldn't be a big deal in context of her character's whole history.

@@Homodemon The Addams don’t lack morals, they only do crazy things as gags

@@HomodemonReally hard to have likable characters who murder people

@@leonardofarias8843 a macabre character with different morals can still be relatable and have emotions like everyone else does. just depends on how you write it

Puede ser que los hicieron de ascendencia mexicana por el día de muertos, ya que es la festividad más popular y la más"goth" de latinoamerica. Eso y que los escritores son solo incompetentes que buscaron hacer menos trabajo de investigación sobre la cultura de otros países latinos y se fueron a lo fácil.

castillan like from spain (from europe)?

@@IoIita yes! In the OG show it is mentioned he has ancestors from Spain'

I think Encanto was in Colombia but that’s it. As a Latino, give other Latin American countries representation, they are great I promise you.

As a Mexican, I completely agree! It's exhausting that other Latinos never get the spotlight. There was potential but it's such a shame there weren't other ideas explored :/

Is written in such an unsubtle way that really makes you hear in the back of your brain "How do you do, fellow kids?"

Woke culture in general is never good

Crows did it first and honestly, it was way better as it actually portrayed many stereotypes

I love that trope but few things ever do it right. My personal favorite is the book, The Girl Who Could Fly

90 percent of relationships are herto

I personally liked her with Joel (?? i forgot his name) tho

@Louis Kingsta touch grass

@@foolcoooym1425yeah joel was wonderful, but in this version of Wednesday it seemed like she was truly uninterested in romance & relationships

@@louiskingsta6142 oh do shut up loser

Its funny when so many Gen Z consider themselves as outcasts yet they are all sheep.

Episode Three W said something bad was going to happen. Wanted to stop. Crack stone. Burnt to stop Adams family had Crackstone and that is real plot.

YES I hated the family dynamic too. If there is one family that will never have trouble with each other it's the Addams! I felt so bad for them, and seeing them with conflict felt soooo wrong, like this is not the family to mess up

Wednesday tried to be like a gothy Daria, but worse and with less charm. At least on Daria they explored the concept of Daria, even with her wit and smarts, was often wrong on a lot of stuff, committed errors and was shown to be as judgemental and shallow as the rest of the people surrounding her. But this Wednesday is just an edgy asshole most of the time, with people around her being just too stupid to do anything about it and also perfect at everything she does.

@@Dani_1012 and I feel like this is actually kind of important because functional, loving families seem rarely shown in media. I know drama creates interest, and there are families that are bad to each other, but I am lucky enough to come from a family that is actually kind of like the Addams in supporting and understanding each other (even if we do sometimes argue, nobody's perfect) and I really want that dynamic shown more in media. Every family being all unhealthy and hating each other might set a bad precedent.

@@thedarklrd6714 That's true. We need more loving families on TV. It's kinda funny when you think about how the original Addams show from the 60s were created as functioning as they are because all of the other TV families at the time hated each other

@@thedarklrd6714 Also, you are lucky to come from such a background. I can almost say the same but things aren't as they used to be, or as they appeared to be...

i was talking to my bestie earlier and it would have made much more sense if she was the stuck up control freak one repressing it on her own for whatever reason and the through her connection with wednesday and her devil may care attittude she would feel comfortable enough to accept her wolfy messier side

I saw a lot of mixed reception to Wednesdays Latina representation and I definitely felt similar to you in that it seemed quite empty?? but then Jenna Ortega said in interviews that she liked how Latina identity wasn’t a big deal for Wednesday so then I wasn’t sure if it was casual or lazy underdeveloped representation. interesting to see your input, thank you!

@@elleliteracy i really like jenna and i totally get how amazing it must be so speak with her whole chest that wednesday is latina but it feels like an afterthought when it >didnt< have to be, you know? if a characteristic of a character can be fully edited out of the story with the erasure of 3 lines of dialogue... is it really as integral to the character as they are preaching it is? in us-centric media having a latine actor isnt enough to automatically make smth representative of latines (especially since we are not a racial identity) otherwise every character played by alexis bledel (half argentinian/raised in mexico) and even anya taylor joy (raised in argentina) would be considered latina... funny thing they arent right?

@@elleliteracy im sorry im very passionate about this discussion DSAHGASDGASDJHDAS

I was so annoyed by something I could not figure out while watching wendnesday but I think that's It. You just described something that bothered me a lot in this series.

This. Jenna doesn’t even speak Spanish

I agree with this argument in good faith, but I don’t agree with the disappointment in expecting Jenna to speak another colonial language. I am also a Latino who speaks Spanish and is excited to see character on screen that looks like me, but it’s important to be critical on what “Latino” and “Raza” mean before we talk about representation.

If they weren't going to have Wednesday speak spanish they could've explored the cultural disconnect with second generation immigrants. Despite growing up around my family full of spanish speakers, none of my cousins or I ever learnt spanish because we grew up in an english speaking country so none of our spanish speaking family members ever taught us Spanish beyond basics. They could've explored how Wednesday felt lost at not being connected to her ancestry and her roots, they could've showed her yearning to learn more about her culture and her past (incorporated that into the whole Goody plotline or whatever, Goody is a stupid name too) and over the story growing more in touch with her family.

THANK YOUUUUUUUUU THIS BOTHERED ME SO MUCH

I know that it wasn't too big of a deal, but this bothered me so much in the show when I watched it! I was also hoping we would learn her real name!

@@YourAceFriend It also didn’t help that I watched this RIGHT after the Crucible either lol

@@snowset675 Me too, my class watched it :')

This was so annoying!!!

The second Hogwar-- I mean, Nevermore appeared I just stopped watching altogether.

thatd be fun :)

As a latin american i don't get why refer to them as "white men" and not just americans in general, person can be a black trans woman for all i know, if they aren't latin americans then they shouldn't be writting latin american chars.

I definitely agree that more Hispanic writers would have been better. I literally had no idea Wednesdays family was supposed to be specifically Hispanic (I know Gomez is, but Morticia isn't exactly a Hispanic name, even though I love the actress playing her in the show) it really didn't click until I read about it, they just seem very American, nothing about how she decorates her room, or speaks really plays to that. Maybe I'm just dense.... But I feel like cultural things do need to be a little bit exaggerated in media since we're only seeing the smallest slivers of a characters life.

@@Radhaun it would've made more sense if Morticia's first language was English because Hispanics who marry only English talking people learn English the best. If she was Hispanic, it didn't really show in the show other than her face and perhaps cultural background. I like to think that it is because the Addams just settled for the goth aesthetic for no reason at all lol

I thought the adams were french.

@@footl0se exactly!. That is like pretending a black American man would know what being middle eastern is like

No, it was definitely misogynic and you are right to point it out as such.

There's nothing wrong with liking those things but to play devil's advocate I just think it was a stereotype to what young girls like. Most girls I knew in elementary to early middle school liked these things.

nope, you're not biased. i'm more of the heavy rock band kind of girl but even that line was painful for me to hear. like i thought we left the "ew girls who like boybands and horses are weird" phase back in 2014??????

@@jessalynesimanjuntak9463 lol yeah... i like to leave that phase in the past

@@thelostmessenger then why would Tyler prefer wednesday to like true crine instead of these? Imo it is supposed to make fun of those interests

oooh that Viper point is so interesting I didn’t notice that!!

@@elleliteracy to add on as well Im a latina as well and like @planetboyonearth said its different from household to household. I was taught spanish as a child but it was really frustrating for my teachers because my brain could not distinct between the two language. Because of this my dad stopped teaching me and I lost it over time. Im working at it again but learning so late and especially with bad anxiety some of us just dont know fluently by the time we're grown

Most female characters in newer western movies feel that way tbh… like the live action popular ones. I wish they took her down a few more pegs tbh. She did fail sometimes in the show, like she got ridiculed for the whole murder thing. But idk, feel like it could’ve been… idk.

yeah the Hyde just looked silly! I think it’s the bug-like eyes.

With the Hyde, it's the giant bloodshot eyes for me, mostly. When they first showed glimpses of the character, my partner and I agreed we thought they were going to go with that design to be how the werewolves looked, and were relieved when that wasn't the case. The proportions definitely contributed to making it look so unappealing. It's like the showrunners saw the weird, creepy 'Momo' puppet that was invading kids' RU-vid videos years ago and decided that's how their 'monster' would look, too. Also, the CGI looked too smooth and uncanny on the character.

At first, I thought the Hyde design was foreshadowing something. But no! It was just a silly looking monster.

Headcanons ≠ canons.

I honestly don't think that a bunch of colors is enough to imply queer subtext. Colors have many different meanings and the flags aren't that well-known outside of lgbt communities. To me, Enid's color scheme reflects her personality (feminine, bubbly, etc.) and contrasts with Wednesday's black&white aesthetic. I don't think it is to imply not any appartenance to the queer community. Of course, she could still be reveled t be queer later.

@@elisa4620 on Tv, colors and props always have some sort of meaning and whatever. With Enid there's just a lot of things that make me believe her character was just meant to explain a subtext of what a lgbtq kid goes through, but that's it. The writers are old, as I mentioned they did the exact same thing with Superman... and that series is hella old. They're used to their old ways, that's why the "teenager" dialogues on Wednesday are cringy as hell. They don't know how to really represent queerness or how teenagers communicate nowdays. Also, Tim Burton directed this and how surprising is that all lgbtq characters scenes were cut out 🤡 there's an staff of Netflix that gave a lot of spoilers of the series before it came out and all of them turned out to be true. I still follow this person and let me tell you... they do not speak well of Tim Burton at ALL. Basically Tim Burton took a lot of decisions of how characters should behave and also they purposely cut out the lgbtq character scenes. That's enough for me to know that these people are literally queerbaiting as hell, and then they're just going to say "nah, Enid had a queerness subtext, we kind of wanted to explain that with her". And then she ends up being the straightest person EVER 😂 The flags thing... that damn window. There was SO many ways they could have decorated that window, but chose to do it as flags that are sooooo alike to lgbtq flags. The "conversion camp" thing. Choosing to put that kind of dialogues in Enid's plot is just misleading as hell, because at the end of the day there was nothing canonically queer about her 🤡 So I stand by what I said, sure, Enid is an outgoing kid and obviously colors kind of represent that. But you can be outgoing as hell and still don't use that kind of colors, also not specific colors that are used on lgbtq flags. They could have made her use solid colors... but no 😂

we don't acutally know she's cis....calm down

There are literally no signs that she’s not cisgender though……like what

@@whatisupbruh2738 tbh we should all just stop tryna guess what character is what. This happened with heart stopper and we all know where that went.

@@jinx5337 That happened to the actor, not his character

@@MindNCanvas no shit sherlock but its things like this that make people feel pressured into coming out

On the flip side of that, they wrote a white character to be a slave and then acted like it doesn't matter he was psychologically manipulated and physically tortured into submission because as far as the show's lore is concerned, Tyler just fulfilled his genetic destiny of becoming a slave and evil beastly monster. Between the black characters being cast as the ones who financially and socially benefit from the cultural heritage of colonialism, and a white guy being coded as a textbook argument for racial essentialism, this show had an overall pretty fucked up take on race

@@marielaberge8236 actually Tyler was enslaved by...... A white person. A woman actually. It's very much a gender thing not a race thing in that case

​@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl If you only look at gender, a boy emotionally manipulated a girl because he was abused by a woman attempting to revive her puritanical forefather. BUT the boy in question is Tyler, who was genetically pre-destined to be enslaved (and so part of the cycle of abuse) because of his evil bestial nature. So Hydes are literally depicted the way colonialists viewed black people to justify enslaving them. Saying "some people are natural-born slaves" to a white character instead of a black one displaces the racism to a supernatural species, but that's just racism-with-extra-steps. The show replicates colonial discourse by dressing it up in white people and gender dynamics, and the message becomes "puritanical patriarchy is bad for men and women" but also "there are 'those people' who don't deserve to be treated as equals cuz they're inherently subhuman".

I …don’t??? I thought it was refreshing to see a black character not be in one of the few roles people think they should take. The funny guy or just the big black handsome man. There’s more but not many lol. That’s something that never crossed my mind nor did it matter to me. I think we’re all forgetting that no race is exempt from cruelty or enslaving other people guys

@@marielaberge8236 Tyler's enslavement was such a disappointing point to begin with. There have been white minorities as well as criminals who were historicall turnt into slaves. Perhaps if they had written Tyler MORE as a shady guy instead of a nice guy who's obviously actually shady and included white criminals enslaved by the colonialists, it could have been a nice way to open a discussion on the human rights a criminal should have because inhuman treatment is sure not going to make them better people either, and if done right it could only further enhance the evilness of the colonialists, show them how eager they are to abuse anyone and justify it all with different excuses when the true answer is just one: greed. Which is the true flaw in most woke media talking about it. Sure, there were slave owners who were genuinely racist monsters, but many of them were just clinging to racist ideology as a justification for their greed, and there was definitely some racist ideology backed up by religious propoganda like black people being the descendants of Kain as dictated by this Irish monk. The Church is literally rich, and in those days they were literally amongst the richest of the rich. Keeping the Europeans rich kept the Church rich. It wasn't even about hating certain people, it was all just about the money and power. If the creators had understood that, it would have been a so much better series.

Goody has psychic powers like Morticia and Wenesday so she probably comes from Morticia's side. I assume the last name is overlooked plot hole or maybe Morticia was the one who kept her last name.

@@CureSmileful in 22:08 you can actually see her maiden name, so to me it sadly seems like its just bad writing

@@Nicole-dx4ks oof, you are right

Latinx isn't a valid word. It's Latina, Latino or Latin.

yeah those contacts were creeping me out too much...

i dont think theyre gonna take the contacts out lol

@@sleepy.timaeus.arts. Unfortunately

He's just another white man now he just doesn't feel goth anymore

but why was she upset about the murders the hyde was commiting? She even almost murdered her own classmates in the very beginning but then suddenly was upset that other people got killed? it was just bad characterization

@@rica3947 here is a thought....maybe she is ok with murder when she thinks it is justified, putting herself at the center of determining when things are ok and not rather than almowledging an objective moral code outside of herself. The swim team boys "deserved" what they got, but Eugene didn't. The Hyde was targeting people without apparent justification except maybe the first one which saved her life. I would have to rewatch to see if her attitude towards the Hyde evolved with the victims he took.

@@atruthseeker79 I agree with this

@@thelostmessenger same here this would’ve been such a better idea

Omg that chocolate shop spiel!! I honestly was surprised no one took the chocolate. like, i dont think they were able to understand her so i could see them being like "idk what youre saying but that's cool youre speaking a different language!" and take some. idk why they all listened to the whole monologue and then walked away like "wtf"

tell me why Thing was the most developed character!!!!!

The thing that bothers me is that, in media, a woman being a werewolf is usually about womanhood, and rejecting the stereotypes of fragility and servitude imposed by society whilst accepting the parts of you that society views as monstrous. The things they stablish in the show fit that kind of narrative very well. Enid is stabilished as alone since episode one. She knows all the gossip, but nobody really goes *to her* because they like her presence. Very much the behavior of someone who's trying to feel like a part of something by observing and writing about it, hence the gossip. It's also the middle of the year and she has no roommate, making her even more alone compared to everybody else. She then shares her insecurities with the first person who's obligated to spend time next to her. Those insecurities are about not wolfing out, and how anxious she is about maybe never wolfing out, which would mean she'd never *be a part of a pack and find a mate* further driving home how lonely she is and how scary that is for her. Fast forward to her being stood up by Gorgon Dude. She destroys an entire car with just her claws (something we never see her do again - I'm not counting the boat cuz that's wood and not metal), signaling that her emotions about romance and rejection might have some control over her powers. It is also the first blue moon in 23 years, so the lunar influence could be stronger on her than usual full moon influence. The next time we see something similar right after the prank at the ball. We see her quickly experiencing connection with a normie, discovering she shouldn't have trusted him, and being consoled by Gorgon Dude, who explains that he didn't reject her, he was just too embarrassed to explain himself. They then decide to give their relationship a shot, and *her claws react with her* for the first time. Just to drive home how lonely she still is, she goes to Yoko after her fight with Wednesday, but she keeps coming back to her dorm to check if Wednesday wants to apologize. That can be interpreted as Yoko having taken her in just for politeness, and that Enid doesn't really feel welcome enough in her presence to ditch Wednesday completely. And finally in the last episode we see that *Enid's claws keeping acting up* when she's with Gorgon Dude, and that apparently is a common occurrence. We also are informed that it is a blood moon out there. And when she goes outside to help Wednesday, her actual friend, with the help of Thing, with who it has been stabilished throughout the show she has a pretty close friendship with, she starts wolfing out. What I interpret from that is that she needed to soothe her anxieties about not being able to find a mate without wolfing out, as well as to learn that if she has friends that trust her enough to come to her for help, she's not really alone - alongside immense lunar influence (a blood moon doesn't happen every day) for her to finally wolf out. After she transforms back, we see her being touched or hugged by only the people that cared about her more - Thing, then Gorgon Dude, then finally Wednesday. That would've been a perfectly fine narrative, if it wasn't for that lycatropy conversion camp bulls**t.

Non binary??

@@LunaWitcherArtamazing breakdown :0

I kinda didn't notice lol I thought it looked cool but idk I wish her character had more screen time at the last episode cause she ce out of nowhere

@@thelostmessenger I’m hoping the main cast will all be standouts in the next season. They have so much to work with! And her story with her mom can be more fleshed out

Fr!!! I hated them like I get she’s a siren but come on those are just ugly I’ve seen black people wear colored contacts that are alluring while still matching them! It’s crazy they stuck her with those.

Yeah I kinda wanna make the black and white checkered V neck sweater

@@liisaky there's a RU-vid channel that did tutorial on that! It's knnoting hook crochet

@@express999snsd thanks! I found the video

Same I feel like everyone’s either saying it’s perfect or saying it’s horrible. Like, can we just accept that even tho it’s flawed it was still enjoyable to watch for a lot of people??

honestly, turning into an actual dangerous monster out of anger and despite (usually connected to being a minority) just doesn't translate well in any modern media

I thought JK used lycanthropy more as a metaphor for having AIDs (which was so highly stigmatized several decades ago that people thought you'd get it by even touching an infected person). JK's werewolf character ends up marrying a woman which is why I don't fully understand that interpretation.

Enid isn't gay.

​@@stuckatthevalley No one said she was. They said her lycanthropy is compared by the narrative to being gay, which it is.

@@scarabdust If I understand it well (I haven't been in the HP fandom for YEARS), some in the fanbase ships Remus and Sirius A LOT. They have a lot of HC about them and they interpret canon material in ways that support that.

They definitely did that on purpose but didn't do a good payoff on it

bully? Lmao she aint close to bully. Being alone and neglecting others aint bullying. Being bully is going against others in harmful way both psychologicaly and physically.

@@ExtremeMan10Regardless, she’s a complete asshole for most of the season. She treats Enid like crap majority of the time and never respects her as a person until the end. Wednesday should have been held accountable more than she was. Her snarky and cold remarks were funny at the start, but they turned into straight up belittling of everyone around her and it just got annoying.

@@MeemahSN And? Who isnt? Many people, mainly young children who had rough childhood or upbringing mature faster which is bad for them and thus they see only bad things in people, it was literally explained in the show. On the other hand, poeple sheltered from life and pain tend to grow carefree which is also bad, that is referenced in Enid. Wednesday acting like that is because of how Nero got killed and how Uncle Fester and her parents raised her, many fictional characters have the same thing, hell during 80s many young men were raised this way in order to prepare them for potentional war.

@@ExtremeMan10 I don't think that having had one traumatic event in her life and loving parents who gave her too much freedom JUSTIFIES everything. Yes, some (and not all) people develop a negative mindset because of trauma and it might explain things but that doesn't excuse their behaviors. She treats everyone like crap and doesn't respect anyone and this should have had more consequences than people getting angry for like a day but conveniently getting over it when she needs them. At least she does apologize and people do get angry and confront her which is more than most jerk-ass MC get ... And I speak as someone

May she rest in peace. I'm so sorry

im sorry for your loss :(

Also, I really loved this portrayal of this Gomez, I feel like Luis Guzman naild the sadistic loveable idiot vibe, but agree that the duo lacked chemistry and this portrayal of Morticia is unfamiliar and flat outside the one episode she and Wednesday work together.

can you explain your idea of it being a slice of life mystery more? like how would that have played out? new mysteries every few episodes? but nothing super heavy?

@@sleepy.timaeus.arts. probably like Gravity Falls?

@@liminalusts that would actually be so cool instead of something generic

i honestly felt the same watching it 😭 he was too easy

I have to disagree with this, I dislike it when people describe characters who don't fit the norm as neurodivergent/autistic. It just feeds into this stereotype that neurodivergent people supposedly are antisocial, self-absorbed assholes and it would't even be good repesentation, especially when Wednesday is portrayed to be insufferable and selfish.

@@red-firefox good point. I don't have much exposure to Autism in real life so thanks for this perspective

@@red-firefox autistic person here: she's not described as neurodivergent bc shes outside the norm. she's described as neurodivergent bc she hits many textbook bits of the autistic experience. many other autistic ppl i talk to this show abt also agree. re: insufferable and selfish: i was insufferable and selfish before i got my character development lmao

I really like that second approach as well. There was some character development in the show, but for me it was inorganic and not satisfying.

I’m Irish and don’t see the sun 99% of the time and even I’m not as pale as Wednesday. There’s even differences between the behind the scenes footage and the final product so though maybe Ortega was paler than usual, they 100% lightened her skin

@@elleliteracy she said there was filters placed over most scenes so yeah im sure it changed alittle. And you can see her tan in scenes as well, so I dont think its fair to say tim burton was trying to make her white

never said he was trying to make her white!

@@elleliteracy okay then, "trying to lighten her skin tone" I feel like if they were intentionally trying to change her skin tone to be "more appealing to that aesthetic" they wouldnt have left it regular in some scenes and she wouldnt have said that in an interview (especially when she brung it up, its not like someone said "did they lighten your skin" and then she responded) (But I agree with everything else you said, and I know tim burton has a bad reputation for those things, I just feel like the actresses statment is pretty important here)

@@elleliteracy also i didnt mean white as in race, you said something along the lines of "people dont have to be white and ghostly to fit this aesthetic" and thats what I was preferring to, white as in pale

It looks criminally bad.

Why are you talking about Gomez like he's a real historical character 😂 this is a new tv show and they can do whatever they want with him, they can make it so he was born in puerto rico

Shut up colonizer