correction: ... the antenna must have a magnetic base !!!!!! ...and than you must attach these bases to a metal frame or a metal box ... than these antennas are whooping up ... we made the same tests as you did , and came to the same results , better , but still not super ... than we glue 2 small magnetic plates under it and attached them to a metal plate and we became whooping numbers in the 80 to 90 mbs download and 30 mbs uploads at the same !!! place ... try please ...
You are the man. You have answered a question many of us have had for years. I wish that you would drive to a remote area where you are barely receiving 1 bar and repeat the test with the antennas. We You Tube followers will chip in for the gas. Thanks again, I'm going to use the device at a hunting cabin deep in the woods. I have a directional Yagi tuned to the cell frequencies aimed at a tower a few miles away.
I got those same antennas I now get 4 bars: Ping-30ms Download-170Mbps Upload-36.3Mbps Jitter-6.1ms thank you Very Happy With Antennas I live in Mesa Arizona
Thank you for sharing your result! Really glad I could help even just a little. I went from 100gbit in the city to 5mbit just 1 mile out of the city. Now I’m up to 15mbit thinks to others advice.
Do you have the antennas mounted on the outside and the router inside? I'm wondering if you're getting those high numbers because of this... I look forward to your response!
The only measurement that really matters is the actual signal. This is the RSRP shown in the network. You went from -103db to -100db. "Perfect" is -40 and you will consistently drop signal at -118. a +3db increase is probably reasonable for a cheap antenna. If you went with a higher end antenna, you might get +10db. In my location, I am at -115 without an antenna, so a +3 isn't enough to bring me to where I want to be. Thanks for posting! I've been enjoying your videos and learning from them!
external antenna "to improve performance". Actually no, it's not to improve performance, because the device has a 4x4 mimo internally, and you'd only be able to connect a 2x2 external mimo, which will be lower-performance. The reason you use an external antenna is to increase range, when signal is marginal, by putting an antenna up in a high position. A better test will be to put the device in a 'bad' location, where it's inside a box, and doesn't get good signal. Then hook up the antennas in a 'good' location, by a window or on top of the roof. Then you will see a much better performance due to getting a better signal. Thanks for sharing.
Those are dipole antennas. They require to be mounted to a flat metal perpendicular surface (like the roof of a car) to work. They don't work on a wooden surface.
I bought the same antennas and they worked fantastic but mine came with a really strong magnet. I live out in a rural area and only had about 1 or 2 signals. When I connected the antennas my signal didn’t go up but the speed up and down and ping increased significantly. I have my mr1100 connected to a Netgear ac 1750 and now with the antennas plugged in, it’s like I never left town!
I'm surprised to see the upload speed so low across both tests. It seems like 2-5mbps upload was normal for both tests. Is anyone else getting better upload speeds?
So I purchased the antennas and though I got a higher signal strength from one bar to two, it appears to have degraded my signal quality which in turn, caused latency spikes. I’ll probably go the yagi, MIMO route. Though for the price, it was worth a shot. Thanks for the video
That's bloody amazing, is the 20 meg s constant speed for u now? Congrats man I'm buying some of these antennas I hope it helps as good as it did for u
In all this I do find it interesting that the lowest upload speed is worse when the antennas is connected... for me upload is the only thing I need when working, and its kind of weird that the antennas kills the upload speed a bit.
@@1apilot2, yeah the internet is MUCH more stable, even from indoor located antennas. I've got also download from 30 to 60, even 80 Mbit/s. No difference for upload (about 20 Mbit/s). The speedtest keep higher values of downloading stable for longer time. 👍👌
The problem I am dealing with is Nighthawk MR1100's range is very limited. In the house, I have the router just 50 feet from the iPhone, but iPhone doesn't even see Nighthawk's SSID. When I connect my Netgrear N150 to the Nighthawk through ethernet cable, the whole house can connect through N150. So, I want to see how I can make MR1100 be visible like N150.
Im at my wits end with this. I have a yagi antenna on my roof with good quality cable, and it makes literally no difference when it switches over to the antenna. I'm so sick of fighting with this device, it's so slow, but my only other option is satellite out here...
I've bought 3 types of antennas for thus NightHawk router, sane one talked about here. None of them fit the antenna port. Wouldn't even go into that connector. What and why the heck is this happening? I've used rubberbands to hold the antenna plug on the Router
For less than a the cost of the M1 + the external antennas, you could get a real WG3526 mobile router with 6 attached external antennas (without dangling wires) which makes it completely portable and the modem is upgradable too. Also, being OpenWRT compatible, there are plenty of different firmware options to choose from including TTL settings, etc. On Tmobile in the midwest during off peak hours I usually get around 250Mbps and during peak hours around 10Mbps.
I have this same modem with AT&T but my download and upload are usually around 10mb/15mb respectively. I also have an AC1750 home router running through IP passthrough mode with all else disabled on the modem. I am also using a weboost home boost antenna and amp kit. I don't have the antennas installed yet to the modem like u have here but still..... I just figured numbers would have been higher without the antennas installed to the modem but I'm glad to know this. Antennas come in mail tomorrow where I can test out but from what it looks like in video it'll def def help my setup. I only gave like 20$ for the antennas. Do u happen to know what your dB and ASU ranges were before u started and after? My dB range right now is -60 I don't know how much better than that I can hope for. Just really wish I could get my numbers up a little higher cause I'm only like 2.5-3 miles from the closest tower. Thanks for the video and any help
@@Snowman1875 they definitely help they came in today. My signal is now -1dB and 99ASU but..... Speeds are up just not as high as I had hoped for. It's like 15-18 download upload is kinda the same where it was maybe a little lower. I think I'm gonna go outside and reposition the outside antenna on the pole with no modem or router etc plugged up inside. Only the weboost powered up and my phone right beside the antenna to get the exact and proper signal for this damn thing. I still think most of my issues are coming from AT&T from having a NAT type 3 double Nat. I have watched tutorials and how tos over everything imagineable to fix this. Getting to the point where I'm about to get it "good enough" and leave this bitch laying where she sits cuz it's driving me fucking bonkers. Short answer by all means the antennas def work for sure. But in my case I'm just not so sure I would ever be able to get the boost high enough to make the Nat issues stop being so annoying with stuff I'm trying to do. I have ran down so many networking blogs and could almost have a damn degree in networking by now I swear, all from this one damn issue!!!! It is frustrating to have such great signal and reception but not able to pickup higher numbers I see others get with my same setup. Until I can pull those numbers I won't be fully convinced that speed isn't still playing an issue on my network therefore correcting some of the Nat stuff alone, if it were running at say 25-30mbps instead of 12-15ish. And the thing is, I know it's capable of putting out more because I was in my truck the other day driving a few miles from where I live picking up off a different tower and the numbers shot up to 35 download. With no weboost amp or antenna or router! Just the m1 modem router by itself!! What fucking gives? The only guess I have as far as if it's signal related prob or not, is that u can boost signal and amp it up all you want but if its bad signal or not facing directly at the tower closest to u, u can boost and amp the numbers all u want it won't matter. In other words I am wondering if by chance I'm getting a false/positive reading if this makes sense. I have someone coming over now to help me readjust and watch dB readings as we speak
@@Snowman1875 update: so I found out sure enough it was a false positive. Signal/reception can be amazing but limited to A) your towers output and/or your ISP output and limitations and B) not only the distance from u are from your closest tower but also the overall distance your setup is from your outside antenna. I swapped out the RG6 for some RG11 cable and that made a huge difference. Also I faced the antenna pad directly towards the tower regardless of the numbers being better in another direction. This moved me an entire quarter turn on the pole. Make sure the modem is in LTE only mode. Make sure DHCP is enabled on the modem and off on the router. Me personally I left upnp enabled on both. Especially upnp #2 on modem. Assign the IP of your router into the DMZ of your modem in my case 192.168.0.1 leave wifi enabled on router and disabled on modem even if using Ethernet to all. Put distance on modem to long for wifi I tried all three and get a little better results with that one. VPN passthrough off on modem and dlna on for modem. I'm finally getting 23-25ish download. The only reason I believe it doesn't hold solid is cause the fucking ts9 to sma adapters I got for my antennas are bunk and won't hold my antennas to my modem. Have better ones on the way. Beware don't order the $5 adapters on Amazon. The gold ones. Because of the AT&T Nat we are behind it'll never be perfect but it's so much better now than it ever has been. Plus being behind two routers plus the AT&T Nat actually means we are triple Natted. In all honesty if I had it to redo over I would have went with something like an XR500 router that would make life much easier. And even though Nat may still be there it would have been much much much less noticeable with one of those from all I am seeing and hearing online about them The absolute best thing about the m1 nighthawk is the chip in it which can crank out (accept) the 1gig speeds and I guess upnp 2 depending on what you're doing. Other than that it's just another hotspot device with some nice other little features that I prob won't use anyhow
@@Snowman1875 yeah man it worked great all day but now it's kinda back to it. Honestly it's throttling by them. I'm upset about it all. Not spending anymore time or money on it. There's just no easy way out for average folks trying to make it. If ur not rich and can pay hundreds and hundreds a month u can't get the goods is what it's all about. I have caught them throttling the fuck out of me tonight I'm just sick of it. No settings stick for good. No rhyme or reason to it. They are Natted to hell and back. Fuck ATT fuck Verizon fuck all the wasted time and expense. Fuck RU-vid fuck the internet I'm sick of it all. I do hope u have good luck though and I hope I'm not discouraging u I am just very bitter right now. I wasted so much time energy and money to get this far. It was neat learning but it was all for naught in the end it feels like. Unless u pay top dollar bite the bullet and get an expensive fucking package they have u grid locked and fucked. There's no easy way around it. And all VPNs suck dick and slow shit down and have ads and on and on I'm sick of it all! Every option is bullshit UNLESS once again u have hundreds to spend a month just for fast reliable data. What a god damn joke
If you use the NETGEAR Nighthawk M1 like I have and use the link provided there is no adapter required. Other hotspots might have different requirements.
@@danr97123 they do not fit. I purchased the M1. I did not want to damaged the router trying to push the connector on. The female side is much smaller than the router side.
@@Tom-pn4vm You bought those EXACT antennas? Unless the vendor packaged the wrong version (which is not unheard of with these Asian vendors like Bingfu), then they should fit. A TS9 connector is a TS9 connector. Look up pics of a TS9 connector and compare them with the connectors on the antenna you received. If they are NOT TS9 connectors, send them back.
Cut the speaker wire and replace with a real coaxial cable rp-sma or sma depending of the routeur connection and you will profit of a way better antenna the design of these antenna are good but the cheap wire they put is ridiculous and its lost all the value of these antenna instead of 9dbi they are probably at 1-3 dbi maximum unless if you cut that wire and replace it with good quality coaxial cable or have an unlocked routeur with power transmision unlocked
Buy the way !! Although those antennas are better then using Only the inturnal antennas... internally there are 4 antennas ( since electronics end enables a 4 x 4 mimo connection ) but 2 of the 4 inturnal antennas are hooked to 2 exturnal TS-9 antenna connections so one can add an exturnal antenna.. What isn't explained here is as Follows.. Under peal optimal performance the M1 uses a Cat 16 modem that can take advantage of 4 x 4 mimo connections through a Diversity antenna that either uses 1 cel connection and creates 2 to 4 connections to the same band ( say band 4 ) or makes 2 to 4 different connections to multible bands on cel sitesnso equiped ( possibly acessing say 2 connections to band 4 and 2 connections to band 12...or 4 seperate connections to 4 different bands at a single cel tower ) Additionally.. Besides connecting say these upgraded cheep but decent antennas... one can get what is called a Diversity mimo antenna that connects to a cel tower in both in a Vertical and in a Horizontal signal connection at same time..thereby offering and obtaining a stronger and more consistent performance/ connection to the cel tower.. Plus.. Besides the 2 exturnal TS-9 CONNECTIONS.. Internally there are 4 internal antennas so that under Optimal conditions ( close to tower with very strong signal ) those 4 antennas provide a 4 x 4 mimo connection ( more bandwidth and higher speeds ) But one can Open and do a Simple Mod to gain Access to those additional 2 internal antennas..so you can hook up exturnal antennas for now 4 antennas.. Or better yet... Hook 2 High Gain Diversity Mimo Directional antennas.... With that done then the M1 Truly Shines
I have seen the video that shows this modification but the rewards were for exotic bands that most don't use and drilling holes in the top of my unit was not really what I wanted to do to reach the other 2 antenna ports. Too bad they didn't put them in a more accessibly location. Maybe on another model where size isn't a priority for them. Their insistence to make this unit small enough to be small but not pocket size small is a conundrum. Great info if you need to access these frequencies though.
@@jimbrannan6757 by doing the mod..then getting 2 High gain directional Diversity Mimo antennas can Dramatically ramp up the performance and speeds obtained on the M1
MrBOB39 I have ordered the antennas. I thought they were more expensive. They should be here in a few days. How should I place them. Far apart, near outside walls, what?,
@@jimbrannan6757 well...if you ordered the antennas that he has in his vid... they are decent ( far better then the internal ones ) however..... using the 2 exturnal ones would basically shut off the other 2 internal ( there are 4 internal antennas ).... Although using the 2 medium gain omni directional antennas can and Usually offer a Better and Stronger connection..but not always a faster connection because instead of accessing 4 x 4 mimo .. Now with the 2 external antennas give you 2 x 2 mimo connection. So.... If you are say 5 miles or further away from the towers. Then simply hook up the antennas and try spacing them at first 1 ft apart..then again try 18 inches and again at 2 ft apart...and think of it in taking a peice of paper with the 2 antennas on one side of an imaginary rectangle.. Then turn the rectangle so the empty side faces the cel tower ( that gives the best sight..given using these 2 much larger antennas compared to the internal ones.. though individually they are omni directional.. yet the 2 larger ones now throws out a semi directional pattern and therefore is best to think of those 2 antennas as on... placing them in corners of an imaginary rectangle.. with those antennas now acting as the back end of an single antenna...) If you get great reception.. then maybe end of story.. If you are less then 2 miles from the cel tower... try same way as mentioned...but then also try making a V with each antenna pointing away from the rectangle. Also try with one vertical and other Horizontal..
@@jimbrannan6757 part 2 to your question.. if you get good signal with the 2 ordered antennas and you really want to maximize use and speed.. then you need to order another 2 antennas.. and then you will need to mod the internal parts of the M1 to Enable the other 2 antenna ports to Accept exturnal antennas.. then..you can use 4 exturnal antennas.. Let me know if you need additional help
Can you use just one or do you have to have two? I do work on the road and hoping that I would only need one. I have enough wires to deal with already. Of course if it requires two, well then I would have to just deal with it. Also the model of antenna I use would need to be omni-directional and contain a very good magnet. That $16 would likely double for each antenna.
In theory, using two antennas allows the router to do "2x2 MIMO" for higher speeds. In practice, there are a lot of variables that make it unclear how much it helps. Note that the Nighthawk has four built-in antennas, allowing it to do 4x4 MIMO. If the signal strength is already pretty good, adding external antennas can actually make it slower.
My antennas suck, my connection is better without them.. When the antennas are plugged in, does the antennas and the router receive the signal, or just the antennas?
When the external antennas are attached they bypass the internal antenna. If you are not seeing a benefit, maybe try different antenna positions or try putting them in a big piece of metal (filing cabinet or cookie sheet)
Did you have to configure the modem to accept the external antenna? I plug my antennas in and my speeds actually drop, and as soon as I remove them, they almost double.
No configuration required; just plug them in. Sorry to hear you are not gaining performance. I can say that the placement of the antennas in proximity to each other does matter. If you see no improvement after changing positions you might just return them.
I think this router may be my best option 1-2 bars on my iPhone with att in a few different locations at my house. If I buy the router can I use my iPhone sim to see what my signal will be? Any suggestions on seeing if it will even pick up good signal before getting a plan through a carrier?
I had to purchase a separate sim and plan for my router, it would not accept my cell plan as the data is different. AT&T doesn't offer unlimited plans anymore but you can get a plan through ebay and get a great truly unlimited plan for about $50/month no caps or slow downs . Only minor deprioritizations from time to time then back up to 4G LTE
Crash Weekly I appreciate the feedback. I was hoping to get the router and test how many bars I would get with it. Prior to purchasing a data plan. I didn’t know if there was a work around for that or not.
Do you have to configure the hotspot to use external antennas? Or do you just plug them in and go without powering off the hotspot or changing any settings? Thanks
Because to achieve the performance (speed) LTE advertises they use MIMO: "Multiple Input Multiple Output technology uses multiple antennas to make use of reflected signals to provide gains in channel robustness and throughput".
you do not need to do any setup beyond plugging it in. however, it will help if you can put the antennas on a big piece of metal. a filing cabinet or a metal cookie sheet would work well. it really helps by creating a ground plane.
It increases the range at which the data is distributed. So yeah, it can improve your ping because it lets you get a better connection at a further range.
Most MIMO setups require a 90 degree offset in polarization. Have you tried them in other orientations? X or t configurations and relative position to cell site?
I tried several positions in relation to each other and do see some positions do better than others. However, I have not tried positions other than having the antennas fully upright so maybe there are other options there.
Although this is a Cheep antennas.. they do and would under Most conditions do better thrn the inturnal antennas.. That said...,for a little more money ( especially if you can mount the antenna outside in roof pointing directly at the cel site ) but with a High Gain Diversity Mimo antenna mounted outside high and as much as line as site as possible.. then you would get both a Stronger as well as a faster connection.. Additionally.. There are an additional 2 inturnal only antennas yet you can easily modify those additional 2 antennas for running to another Diversity Mimo High gain antenna.. Thereby resukting in the FULL 4 X 4 Mimo ability of the M1 with a Cat 16 Modem
I have same upload and download numbers,little less.. :)but whit cheap router,and im thinking try this one... in the UK EE they have very good results.big numbers..low ping. Your ping also low thats for me the most important, becouse i wanna play games and i have 70ping with 20mbps downlaod and 1.5mbps uploadspead...where do you live ? USA ? Where is your closest cell tower
Thanks for this info. I'm also in rural Oregon using and M1 for my home internet. I'll look at this antenna. I'm hoping for Starlink or T-Mobile Home internet so I'm not going to invest much more into AT&T products. I have a T-Mobile cell tower right above me.
Didn't do a damn thing for me I plugged it in my service got worse and I have that exact same modem and bought the exact same antenna. Went from having three bars to one bar in my internet speed was almost non-existent (2-3mbs), unplugged it my speed went back up to 20 mbs. There are far too many factors when it comes to stuff like this
yes, and find out where the closest tower is. hell, i lived in condominiums for a while...i went to the roof and dropped the line down to window, and placed antenna on roof!
It is a tight fit for this connector type, but was not too difficult. You should see better DL speeds with the external antenna connected (assuming you did not already have the best signal)
@@danr97123 i have maybe 2 bars if im lucky. so i got two of the antennas and they did not improve, or made my signal even worse. i want to get a yagi directional antenna but i dont know enough about them, anyone have any input on the yagi antennas?
Yeah, Yagi antennas are great if you can aim them precisely. These antennas I used are Omni directional so no aiming is required; but if you are on the absolute edge of reception yagi will offer the best signal gain potential. Sorry the Omni did not work for your situation.
danr97123 it’s fine. I sold it to a family member. I have the att velocity. I’m gonna try the signal booster you use in your car by drive sleek for this one. I’m gonna put the antenna on my porch roof and hopefully it will boost the signal. It not, well it’s back to the internet for options! Good video by the way!
I guess I'm the minority here I tried them for 2 days now download speed is identical 14-20mb to without antenna but my upload speed went from 6mb without to 1mb with!
sorry to hear that, but thanks for sharing the result you had. one suggestion is to try different spacing between the two antennas; i have found it makes a difference. I try to keep them 12 to 18 inches apart.
