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Neutral Milk Hotel - Two Headed Boy Part 2 / Holland 1945 

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Bottom Of the Hill , San Francisco, CA - April 12 , 1998

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@jackbradley8087
@jackbradley8087 4 года назад
Very good quality for a video filmed in 1945 Holland
@NumbGeek
@NumbGeek 4 года назад
Funny hpw they maneged to make a rock concert even though they were at war at the time and rock wouldn't be invented in like, 10 years or so
@AaronKaiMCDNLD
@AaronKaiMCDNLD 3 года назад
@@NumbGeek yeah it's so amazing how they wrote a song about anne frank, when she just died then
@billsux2139
@billsux2139 3 года назад
@@AaronKaiMCDNLD are we rly going to have the fight that not all NMH songs are about Anne Frank
@gardenhead5832
@gardenhead5832 3 года назад
@@billsux2139 bro if you think Holland, 1945 is not about Anne Frank I don't know what to tell you
@johanretard3615
@johanretard3615 3 года назад
Bro film "quality" was basically figured out and in higher definition than this by 1945... color film didnt become really feasible until the 50s and looked like dog shit (like this) for quite a while. Bad joke moron... get a life!
@carl1973
@carl1973 7 лет назад
Two headed boy part 2 is one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Jeff is such an amazing songwriter, his lyrics hit me in a way that very few other musicians can do. I hope I'm able to see him perform sometime in my life.
@LoverOfManyArts
@LoverOfManyArts 4 года назад
Agreed
@jacksoninc.4062
@jacksoninc.4062 3 года назад
I almost cried when the outro hits. It hits really really hard gosh
@SassyTableCloth
@SassyTableCloth 3 года назад
@@jacksoninc.4062 The opening lines never fail to make me cry
@josephparsons7896
@josephparsons7896 3 года назад
and all without making any sense
@broccolibuttermilk
@broccolibuttermilk 2 года назад
ayo
@DrIcedTea
@DrIcedTea 2 года назад
My cousin would always babysit me, and I was only 5. She would always play on the guitar and I remember her singing this song. Her parents never like this type of music, and my parents never like it either (Note to self: I live in a Hispanic community so my family only like Spanish/ Mexican music). Anyway I always love how she would sing, even if I did not knew the lyrics, it was so relaxing until one day I heard she passed away in a car accident. I was sad, and as a kid I never heard and found the songs she sang. That was until I age 22, I was helping my uncle move stuff around since they were moving, and I saw a large collection of CDs that really caught my attention (The Smiths, The Cure, Neutral Milk Hotel, Bright Eyes and so many more). I told my uncle if I can keep the CDs and so he let me. Unlucky the cd were weathered out and scratch, so I looked it up in Spotify, and then I heard it again, Two Headed Boy: the nostalgia chill down my spine and I felt like crying.
@GregTheBearFighter
@GregTheBearFighter 2 года назад
❤️
@AI-Consultant
@AI-Consultant Год назад
long story bro this isn't reddit. 😂
@catinthetar
@catinthetar Год назад
Great story ❤ thanks for sharing. I enjoyed that.
@samueljohnbecker1737
@samueljohnbecker1737 Год назад
@@AI-Consultant YO FUCK OVERSIMPLIFICATION lets have have real lives
@Andyyoureastar
@Andyyoureastar 4 месяца назад
May she rest in peace. She sounds like she was a beautiful influence on you
@jackblank5777
@jackblank5777 10 лет назад
my mountaintops need a tissue...
@JasonWindsor88
@JasonWindsor88 10 лет назад
This seems kind of silly to say, but after listening to both albums for some time without having any real idea how Mangrum looked & performed in real life, he's exactly what I would sorta hope for... Unassuming yet possessed, channeling a kind of unadulterated emotion that maybe he even doesn't always understand. Anyways, thanks for the post.
@ZachJenkins
@ZachJenkins 6 лет назад
I think it Margnum
@-sQsa-
@-sQsa- 6 лет назад
mangum
@mikogale
@mikogale 6 лет назад
gosh darn people, it's magndrum
@calebduarte5255
@calebduarte5255 2 года назад
“Unassuming yet possessed” is an excellent way to describe Jeff’s stage presence.
@annabelle4683
@annabelle4683 2 года назад
I really like the transition from a really calm crowd to a mosh pit lol
@blitzkrieg6963
@blitzkrieg6963 7 лет назад
There's something magical about video recordings on VHS tapes. A very nostalgic warm feeling to it
@bgl11
@bgl11 7 лет назад
Sometimes I think about the shows back then, there was something so much simpler about it all. I'm glad for the handful of VHS recordings we have. Looking back sometimes I wonder if any of it happened at all.
@gamingmangwmrr6943
@gamingmangwmrr6943 4 года назад
Blitz Krieg probably the hiss and blurriness that when compared to today’s recording equipment seems homemade and personal(warm) like it was recorded by a younger version of ourselves(nostalgia)
@fakedeep8678
@fakedeep8678 4 года назад
Looks more like a memory
@averyellis
@averyellis 3 года назад
Absolutely , I just wish VHS re-re-re-recordings could retain the same audio quality. Video degradation adds, but leaves audio way behind.
@guillotine684
@guillotine684 3 года назад
@@bgl11 Yeah, just like the vhs tapes by Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. To this day the sounds and images on those recordings hold a lot beauty in my heart. I will forever cherish.❤
@RednaZela
@RednaZela 8 лет назад
Incredible. They were so ahead of their time. Lots of bands came about in the late 00s that pretended like they were from another era. It wasn't a cool thing to do in 97'. But they set a spark which took forever to turn into a fire. And of course it did. They were greatness.
@charliestubbs6151
@charliestubbs6151 Год назад
It’s like they don’t belong in this timeline
@pechinburger
@pechinburger 9 лет назад
Holland 1945, man that song just makes me FEEL
@jeffdunn837
@jeffdunn837 11 лет назад
He looks like he's possessed up there. That album truly is magical
@geometricallegory
@geometricallegory 6 лет назад
This song (Two Headed Boy) saved my life.... Seriously. About five years ago, I cracked. No joke. I was a professional who went to work on a daily basis--I did everything I was supposed to do--but it was a cage. See... I snapped like a twig. The doctors called it a "psychotic break." I was forty at the time, and I'd never experienced anything like psychosis or delusions, but suddenly I found myself lost in a jungian world of symbols and synchronicity. How amazing and wonderful and terrifying! Don't believe me? Wait and see... Anyhow, they sent me to four different psychiatric hospitals. My poor family.... They worried about me, but I was lost. I would sing this song (Two Headed Boy) aloud, screaming the lyrics, hoping that something in the universe would respond or recognize the tune. One time, another patient in the hospital recognized the lyrics, and he came up to me and sang, "Two headed boy... creating a radio play just for two..." Ughh! We cried together.... (Daddy please....) and he kissed me on the lips. (I'm a man, so I was shocked that another man kissed me, but I kissed him back and I loved him in that moment.) We. (Through the music that sweetly displays....) We two "crazy" people bonded over this particular song in a mental hospital and we sang this song.... Madness begets madness, eh? In a brief moment, we saw behind the veil. This song has a message that "crazy" people get. Do you get it? Do you belong with us? If you do, you're one of our kind.
@Jack-fh1qh
@Jack-fh1qh 6 лет назад
Geometric Allegory Amazing story
@AdrianGarcia57
@AdrianGarcia57 6 лет назад
Geometric Allegory we aren't meant for work
@idontknowoffiser
@idontknowoffiser 5 лет назад
Sounds like you got the gay
@tobalt1
@tobalt1 4 года назад
How are you now?
@BLUEWALDOMUSIC
@BLUEWALDOMUSIC 3 года назад
Would like to know how you’re doing these days
@MrRandomWalkthroughs
@MrRandomWalkthroughs 12 лет назад
Jeff Mangum. The only man who can still look awesome with a Bill Cosby sweater and a bowl haircut.
@saturatedneowax
@saturatedneowax 3 года назад
I could pull it off
@jimrye7952
@jimrye7952 3 года назад
@@saturatedneowax very very humble, love to see it
@saturatedneowax
@saturatedneowax 3 года назад
@@jimrye7952 not as well as Jeff tho 😉, lol
@MetaBuddha
@MetaBuddha 13 лет назад
Only Jeff can rock out that hard during a euphonium solo.
@kerrgal
@kerrgal 10 лет назад
I hate that I only discovered Neutral Milk Hotel a couple of hours ago (via Amanda Palmer) and that I could've been at this show at the BOTH.
@JDeissreVIEWSFROMHELL
@JDeissreVIEWSFROMHELL 10 лет назад
Welcome. We hope you enjoy your stay.
@mmmanutd
@mmmanutd 2 года назад
Ahh, 7 years ago. When NMH was doing live concerts
@Bigsquatch_ky
@Bigsquatch_ky 11 лет назад
Bowed electric bass is an oddity.
@oceankiddd
@oceankiddd 10 лет назад
Holy shit that was way more lively than I expected. What amazing footage.
@cesarbravo822
@cesarbravo822 5 лет назад
I got all teary eyed all of a sudden. Two Headed Boy Part 2 is such a beautiful song.
@Deviltriggerfounder
@Deviltriggerfounder 8 лет назад
/mu/: the audience
@AtlanticSpamHammer
@AtlanticSpamHammer 8 лет назад
+Fook off, Griffith. lol
@user-rx3js1no3s
@user-rx3js1no3s 8 лет назад
2005 moo maybe. post 2006 mu is literally reddit, full of lame fuckwads that cannot even play any instrument
@govegan6682
@govegan6682 7 лет назад
yevrey i doubt the people who liked this comment was in /mu/ in 2005 This is so shitty "/mu/ was better in 2001 when there was nobody there and the site didn't even exist now it's god people with opinions muh patricianship"
@lmao8173
@lmao8173 5 лет назад
i don't like fraternities
@PurplingYellow
@PurplingYellow 11 лет назад
>you will never own a sweater that stylin
@DB-jf2dw
@DB-jf2dw 4 года назад
7 years late but the Robin Pecknold sweater is a worthy opponent
@milktea1994
@milktea1994 3 года назад
@@DB-jf2dw putting two bad bitches against each other for no reason
@plasticpirate
@plasticpirate 3 года назад
You know, I won’t no will Jeff magnum lives undefeated in sweaters
@ransummer1
@ransummer1 6 лет назад
..one of your favorites..Missing you brother Steve-
@kristinuna4258
@kristinuna4258 9 лет назад
discovered nmh a few years ago, to this day it still amazes me
@MrShahid0072
@MrShahid0072 4 года назад
One of the greatest songwriter in my books!
@MarcusConstantine_Cavalida21
@MarcusConstantine_Cavalida21 2 года назад
I've been writing an album for 2 years already. Every time I write about history and retell the tales of others, there comes the point that your so into it that the lyrics just blur up into a hazy mess of emotions. The point where if the question "Who are you talking about?" was asked, the person in the lyrics could be an ex, the Nazis, the victims of the Nazis, your sister, your brother, that one really messed up serial killer, because before you were even born, people already felt the same exact emotions and said the same exact things you now say and feel for those who live today and in that sense we are all "one and the same" The past and the present merge. The "only girl he ever loved" who died in 1945 became a "little boy in Spain" and lives even today among us. In all those pure of heart who will be taken by the monsters of this world.
@nolanwolfe
@nolanwolfe 11 месяцев назад
Has your album been released?
@irascib1e
@irascib1e 13 лет назад
in my dreams, you're alive and you're crying.
@howtoeataham
@howtoeataham 4 года назад
My favorite line from the album
@JammastaJ23
@JammastaJ23 3 года назад
With all the shit that's going on I really hope Jeff gets a spark of inspiration to make new music again. His catalogue is way too small.
@marcmt4171
@marcmt4171 3 года назад
Stephen Colbert played Holland 1945 for the end credits at the end of his final taping of The Colbert Report
@TheFilmsKaper
@TheFilmsKaper 8 лет назад
This album came out a month after i was born, and i just discovered this band a few months ago. I feel so blessed and i'm not even religious. This speaks to me in a spiritual way.
@ThomasBaxter
@ThomasBaxter 8 лет назад
That's the way it got all of us.
@kitpalmer1583
@kitpalmer1583 6 лет назад
You're about a month older than me :') I only just realised today I'm a couple of weeks younger than the album.
@nathanasbury2083
@nathanasbury2083 6 лет назад
They're not religious themselves. Magnum said in the interview he uses Jesus Christ through the album as an idea. He's not a christian himself.
@ayusha149
@ayusha149 6 лет назад
This song is 3 years older than me
@filthydirtstep
@filthydirtstep 3 года назад
So what does it say to you?
@cIownzone
@cIownzone 7 лет назад
comment sections like these make me afraid to bring up NMH in real life
@mfmatthew420
@mfmatthew420 4 года назад
holla
@tsocheff
@tsocheff 5 месяцев назад
my dad went to this show
@southerndandy89
@southerndandy89 11 лет назад
RIP Anne and Margot
@SethDoray
@SethDoray 3 года назад
Can't believe this song was so ahead of its time back in the 40s. Hollanders must have been psyched to have an English band tour through back then.
@SethDoray
@SethDoray 3 года назад
It's a joke ^^°
@slug_girl9104
@slug_girl9104 Год назад
Just don't hate her when she gets up to leave
@poorsonwelles
@poorsonwelles 11 лет назад
I'm happy this video exists
@rucha58
@rucha58 14 лет назад
He's bowing the guitar. This is amazing.
@kailiw.8462
@kailiw.8462 3 года назад
it's a bass
@jamesoloughlin8268
@jamesoloughlin8268 4 месяца назад
​@@kailiw.8462 As a bass player it's a bass guitar, bass is correct bur guitar isnt wrong
@zorth42
@zorth42 12 лет назад
jeff mangum needs to play a live show in front of no one because no one devserves to see him live
@Embre
@Embre 3 года назад
no please two headed boy part 2 already breaks my heart but now in a *different key???* i can't take it
@ElChanateRifa
@ElChanateRifa 11 лет назад
In my dreams, Anna's alive and with Jeff she'll cry no more...
@doozle5132
@doozle5132 2 года назад
Hard to get chaos sounding that good.
@BiggestMuscles
@BiggestMuscles Год назад
0:00 Two Headed Boy Pt. 2 4:39 Holland 1945
@danielsimpson6971
@danielsimpson6971 Год назад
I think this is possibly the greatest video I’ve ever watched
@gav8558
@gav8558 4 года назад
When we break, we’ll wait for our miracle. God is a place you will wait for the rest of your life.
@saturatedneowax
@saturatedneowax 3 года назад
pavement!
@myconman95
@myconman95 12 лет назад
i love watching those two heads jump in and out of the shot at 5:00 idk why i find it so funny
@edgarroberts8740
@edgarroberts8740 Год назад
"And in my dreams you're alive and you're crying"
@Re8eccAlice
@Re8eccAlice 13 лет назад
I know there have been enough comments about his sweater, but...umm...it just looks SO WARM.
@declanwarner4835
@declanwarner4835 4 года назад
Becky Groves I know right that sweater looks so comfortable!
@declanwarner4835
@declanwarner4835 3 года назад
@Kermit Amphibious maybe they would like to have a nice discussion about Jeff’s sweater with me 🤷‍♂️
@declanwarner4835
@declanwarner4835 3 года назад
@Kermit Amphibious you never know
@cthulusgardener
@cthulusgardener 11 лет назад
Fucking raw emotion
@vidiia
@vidiia 3 года назад
the Bottom of the Hill is a godly venue
@care1essange1s
@care1essange1s 11 лет назад
If anyone can watch this without feeling anything, then they must be made of stone.
@1969elcamino350
@1969elcamino350 12 лет назад
I want that sweater, it looks so comfortable
@Guanjyn
@Guanjyn 8 месяцев назад
Love the callback to part 1 in the second half of the song.
@FrenchKettleStation
@FrenchKettleStation 12 лет назад
I agree, and I have felt his songs performed live.
@queenieofthegalaxy1049
@queenieofthegalaxy1049 5 лет назад
I LOVE THIS SONG SO MUCH
@TheBlackHeartedCrow
@TheBlackHeartedCrow 11 лет назад
beautiful.
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 Год назад
He keeps on sending out higher level vibes. He is for real.
@JasonWindsor88
@JasonWindsor88 10 лет назад
I can't seem to find what "TheRosettaStoned" said that's got everyone so up in arms. What did he say?!
@dougmann777
@dougmann777 3 года назад
Holland 1945 has a bit of a punk edge, done live. I like it.
@augustalexander8179
@augustalexander8179 Год назад
This song always breaks me.
@Medic_naturalist
@Medic_naturalist 3 года назад
Goosebumps
@penandpaperMUSIC1
@penandpaperMUSIC1 10 лет назад
incredible, wish i could be there
@Imptheshrimp
@Imptheshrimp 12 лет назад
Oh, durr. How did I not see that. Thanks!
@pr0dd2k9
@pr0dd2k9 12 лет назад
Gibson ES-125
@luise2534
@luise2534 10 лет назад
thank you john green
@theowenwelch
@theowenwelch 11 лет назад
"And only we speak for the guns, and I have like 30 lungs."
@SilenceTheSacred
@SilenceTheSacred 11 лет назад
Thank fuck there are videos of this.
@prrpgaaff
@prrpgaaff 12 лет назад
Awesome
@OvercomingAwkward
@OvercomingAwkward 11 лет назад
NMH IS COMING BACK WHOO HOO!!!
@nathansidwell4486
@nathansidwell4486 3 года назад
Amazing! Thanks for sharing. greatest album ever!
@turbokwaz
@turbokwaz 12 лет назад
I will see this Tomorrow night...
@alexcaruso901
@alexcaruso901 12 лет назад
Look at the intensity in his face
@RohnitShetty
@RohnitShetty 10 лет назад
I heard abt NMH in a book Will grayson will grayson
@0subdub0
@0subdub0 11 лет назад
Um, are you joking? This was filmed in '98. How old were you then? I was old enough to go to this show WITHOUT my parents and I sure as hell would have moshed to Holland 1945 if I was there. In fact, look at Jeff when Holland 1945 starts. HE'S HEAD BANGING! *gasp*
@doughboywhine
@doughboywhine 4 года назад
Who are you talking to?
@alphavolta5038
@alphavolta5038 2 года назад
@@doughboywhine this comment is so old that there wasn't a proper reply function at that point in RU-vids history. Presumably responding to someone who wrote another comment 10 years ago lol
@oxyiscool
@oxyiscool 2 года назад
I'll never understand why American crowds feel they need to make noise in the quiet bits?!?!?!
@parkt6792
@parkt6792 12 лет назад
the only girl i've ever loved, was born with roses in her eyes, and then they buried her alive!!! one evening 1945!!!
@noamont9936
@noamont9936 2 месяца назад
wish i was alive here
@UpperCrustthe3rd
@UpperCrustthe3rd 12 лет назад
nice
@declanwarner4835
@declanwarner4835 4 года назад
UpperCrustthe3rd nice
@LemonWedgeinc
@LemonWedgeinc 3 года назад
nice
@templerepulsivo
@templerepulsivo 2 года назад
nice
@ismagillicutty
@ismagillicutty 3 года назад
crowd is jumping just like minecraft avatars in the pit
@johncarson7679
@johncarson7679 10 лет назад
just seen then at mann center. fucking best show ever!
@Medic_naturalist
@Medic_naturalist Год назад
I’m moved more than from any church service
@blake2112
@blake2112 12 лет назад
God is a place you will wait for the rest of your life.
@lavalampenthusiast1
@lavalampenthusiast1 7 лет назад
this gives me fucking chills
@goobey7512
@goobey7512 5 лет назад
How did you record him
@oldirtyjacket6462
@oldirtyjacket6462 4 года назад
Camera 🗿
@PhunkadelicPhish
@PhunkadelicPhish 11 лет назад
y not its a hyped up song
@YourFriendTommy
@YourFriendTommy 11 лет назад
rose petals rose petals rose petals
@julianwhitee
@julianwhitee 7 месяцев назад
Classic
@livan7000
@livan7000 Год назад
síii
@FleaIsDaMan
@FleaIsDaMan 12 лет назад
@TheRosettaStoned Sounds like the kind of thing a Tool fan would say. Hateful reception, without any constructive reasoning on why you dislike something.
@Ilychant
@Ilychant 7 лет назад
Not every Tool fan, you know that
@dawnpriest7814
@dawnpriest7814 3 года назад
I've been listening to Itaots and other random nmh songs every day for 6ish months. I listen to other music too, but it just seems boring in comparison. I have reached the stage where I'm mad that there isn't more NMH albums. Why, Jeff, why??? They had the potential to be legends.
@oscarriley9265
@oscarriley9265 Год назад
Listened to radiohead b4?
@dimwitted-fool
@dimwitted-fool Год назад
@@oscarriley9265 no bro I haven’t heard of them who are they?
@nolanwolfe
@nolanwolfe 11 месяцев назад
if they never disbanded, we’d probably get an album sort-of-like Ferris Wheel sometime early-2000s
@humbertesque
@humbertesque 12 лет назад
The trumpeter was so bad that I could not contain a chuckle or two. Great performance, though.
@cIownzone
@cIownzone 7 лет назад
Cunnilingus i know it's been five fucking years but what are you all on about? it sounds fine, it's just different than the album cut
@Imptheshrimp
@Imptheshrimp 12 лет назад
If anyone could tell me the brand/model of that guitar, I would be forever indebted.
@SirBoot32
@SirBoot32 3 года назад
Stella potentially. Harmony maybe. Just search arch top guitar.
@sealbe1885
@sealbe1885 2 года назад
To my knowledge its a Gibson 125
@naguleader
@naguleader 11 лет назад
how was it?
@pthompson2005
@pthompson2005 9 лет назад
Jeff needs to respect the artistry LOL
@michaeldominick735
@michaeldominick735 Год назад
This song always makes me cry. 😢
@epicgeorge
@epicgeorge 13 лет назад
JUDAS!
@alsharpe
@alsharpe 5 месяцев назад
I don’t believe you. You’re a liar
@Muckruckuck
@Muckruckuck 12 лет назад
no, it is. and you are.
@samfisher1663
@samfisher1663 7 лет назад
For those who don't know, Holland 1945 is a based on the diaries of Anne Frank And Two Headed Boy (part 1 and 2) is about Siamese Twins.
@fleurpvnk108
@fleurpvnk108 6 лет назад
I don't think 2 headed boy is literally about twins. In a way the first part is also about Anne Frank, as well as lines in part 2.
@kitpalmer1583
@kitpalmer1583 6 лет назад
Yeah, the songs are kinda stream of consciousness and summing them up in a couple of words doesn't really work. The Anne Frank theme is kinda the thread through the entire album, but Holland, 1945 is also believed to reference a friend of the band who committed suicide. And yeah, that's a super literal interpretation of just the title "Two Headed Boy", but we really don't know what Jeff Mangum was thinking. Don't even think he does.
@anglonrx2754
@anglonrx2754 Год назад
Two headed boy pt 2 is abt the 2 boys Anne liked who were both called Peter. Some of the lyrics are directly lifted from her descriptions of them she describes both Peters as "one and the same", for example. The same is true for pt 1
@AutumnLaws
@AutumnLaws 11 лет назад
Man, back in the days when people actually danced to Jeff Mangum. Now you're lucky if the people at the concert know any other songs besides "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea"
@pivot1022
@pivot1022 12 лет назад
lol
@mr.nazareth4501
@mr.nazareth4501 4 года назад
Haha haha
@declanwarner4835
@declanwarner4835 4 года назад
Kek
@saturatedneowax
@saturatedneowax 3 года назад
@@cortisonesss Ford.
@iHeartCoolStuff
@iHeartCoolStuff 13 лет назад
this doesnt look much like bottom of the hill. maybe its changed some in 12 years
@declanwarner4835
@declanwarner4835 4 года назад
iHeartCoolStuff I’m pretty sure it has
@walkermack7139
@walkermack7139 4 года назад
#gayforjeffmangum
@positive.juice.apartment
@positive.juice.apartment Месяц назад
#gayforjeffmangum
@FleaIsDaMan
@FleaIsDaMan 12 лет назад
@TheRosettaStoned That's right, I am. Obviously leagues ahead of you in the English subject. You know, at least I'm one to understand and comprehend inspiration. Which is why he's in my username, he's inspired me to play music, and have a stronger passion for it. How exactly did you stumble across such a grand video, only to mock it with your poorly written attacks? I suggest you take your immature fallible arguments elsewhere.
@evangel1460
@evangel1460 11 лет назад
I know that feel bro. I saw him back in February, when I was talking to everyone about all these different albums like the early stuff, like the 1992 release's when he called himself "Milk" nobody had any idea what that was! Some people even didn't know what On Avery Island was! Their first album! And nobody knew about it. It makes me sad that these "hipsters" (hate that word) think they know all about NMH and don't know anything except for ITAOTS... Sad really.
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