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@emptytombprod 6 месяцев назад

My rule is to never listen to ppl that say you should "always" or "never" do things when making music. If it sounds good, it is good. Appreciate all the info you share with us Colt!!

@NoQualmsTheArtist 6 месяцев назад

I came here to write the same thing😂

@aminoplaysgames 6 месяцев назад

True. Great video!

@mon3777 6 месяцев назад

swaggsactly.

@kbimm 6 месяцев назад

And he does say it in this very video near the end in the conclusion! So the title is meant to be ironic, or what?!

@DaDrankKang 6 месяцев назад

You would be surprised at how many people don't even know what "sound good" is. Especially when going to "youtube university"... 😅

@robertsteinberger 6 месяцев назад

EQ after comp just means you're compressing something that might not even there anymore. EQ before comp means you're compressing exactly the signal you want.

@theoversouls 6 месяцев назад

Agree. Especially low-passing something like an acoustic guitar. Why let the compressor act on something you're going to immediately lop off?

@zuu1701 6 месяцев назад

@@theoversoulsI’m assuming you mean hi-pass? I’ve not heard of people low passing acc much!

@PlottingTheDownfall 5 месяцев назад

@@zuu1701 I lowpass acoustic guitar all the time - IF the guitar is not the primary instrument, OR if I want something more vibey. Nothing up around 15k is going to be useful n the guitar if it's fighting for space with high hats or an airy vocal.

@zuu1701 5 месяцев назад

@@PlottingTheDownfall ah yeah, you’re totally right. I do this too come to think of it! Haha. 😊

@MassiveCompositions 6 месяцев назад

I love how you break all of the “rules”. Because there clearly aren’t any. 🔥

@Sapio420 6 месяцев назад

Never EQ! Just compress it twice and then compress it again

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

I’m Colt Capperrune and I approve this message! 😂😂😂

@LightsandMotion 6 месяцев назад

greatly illustrated. classic example, CLA has said on numerous occasions that he boosts a lot of 8K on electric guitar INTO his LA3A´s that tame it back down again.

@JohnSk82 6 месяцев назад

Great tip , I do this all the time with staccato strings as well.

@larswillsen 6 месяцев назад

Hi Colt, that might be the best advice yet .. at least for me. I have only mixed and mastered since I re-started my 80s days last year. My mixes are reasonable and yesterday I tried to do exactly this and there was a difference for the better. The idea not to be stuck on one way has now been laid to rest, thank you 🙂

@_djsport 6 месяцев назад

I am an advocate of using the equalizer first and then the compressor. One uses the compressor to "lock" the sound into its final form. If we compress the sound and then equalize it, we basically "kill" the compression because the equalizer alters the volume of the sound (essentially the EQ is a volume tool). Additionally, the EQ will change the envelope of the sound, often losing its initial attack in most cases. EQ before the compressor, that's how it works for me.

@JoeShelton 6 месяцев назад

Also… Never EQ while standing on one foot drinking Jack Daniel’s.

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

I’m clearly missing the joke, because multiple people have commented about Jack Daniels lol

@pstephens__ 6 месяцев назад

I’m also missing the joke because applying EQ while standing on one leg drinking Jack Daniels is my go to move. 😐

@MassiveCompositions 6 месяцев назад

Y’all are hilarious 😂😂

@JoeShelton 6 месяцев назад

@@ColtCapperrune I mean.. Never say Never when it comes to mixing… I was just being silly of course.

@JoeShelton 6 месяцев назад

@@pstephens__Mine too… but only on Mondays.

@jazzzfer 6 месяцев назад

Great tutorial. Thanks for all your content @Colt Caperrune !

@ulteriorreignsupreme 3 месяца назад

This is very impressive, because there's so much color in the end result of the bass processing. There are many tutorials about processing bass, but most aren't really practical

@satch72 6 месяцев назад

Colt dropping gold knowledge again

@codyjones7424 2 месяца назад

This might be the single best video I’ve ever seen. 100/100 would recommend.

@KingdomScorned 6 месяцев назад

You can get away with pretty extreme EQ moves more when you do it before compression, it tends to smooth things out. Like boosting the high end in a vocal before compressing can reduce or sometimes eliminate the need for processing that vocal with De-essing.

@joelarmendariz8876 6 месяцев назад

awesome detail and explanation, great vid...

@gulagwarlord 6 месяцев назад

Eq before compression is Emphasis Eq and is a very useful and valid technique.

@sgfdancecompany 6 месяцев назад

I agree if you are doing corrective EQ (subtractive), it depends on the material when it is necessary to do it before or after. if the track has a big amount of dynamics and you need to level this, the compressor first be the call. But in vocal for example, sometimes the subtractive eq is the way to go first

@57Techboy 6 месяцев назад

I agree with that, I’m always looking to take out whatever frequencies do not complement a source, no matter what it is. Drums, bass, vocals, guitar, take out the Schmootz first.

@sgfdancecompany 6 месяцев назад

@@57Techboy thanks!

@obangamuzik 6 месяцев назад

Best comment 💯💯💯

@LloydMajor 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for the class!

@OmegaDerrick 6 месяцев назад

reasons why dynamic eq or multiband compressors(if you dont have dynamic eq available) are awesome first in chain, works wonders in live mixing too. usually on vocals i run that first then EQ to cut out some low mids if its a dynamic mic into a fast attack/release compressor to grab those peaks only, then run it into a slower attack/release compressor for overall compression/character. there's no right or wrong. if its sounds good it sound good! :)

@frequencyOneTV 6 месяцев назад

Keep the content coming! great channel!

@TheNathanMac 6 месяцев назад

The reason I prefer to EQ before compress and after I compress, 1st is corrective EQ (if needed), but then most good compressors will flavour the sound a bit. So I then add an extra EQ to make it sound beautiful.

@JayVucci 6 месяцев назад

I have no rules. My quest is to keep an open mind. My breakthroughs have happened when I’ve been prepared to admit that I’m wrong about something. It only hurts my ego for half a day. I move on and the benefits last a lifetime. Thanks for your excellent content bro!

@lune_aquiline 6 месяцев назад

That trick of using sidechaining for just one note is new to me, but I can definitely think of moments where it would have been useful... let's just say I have a lot of over-compressed bass tracks in mixes from the past. You live and learn, I guess.

@brandongleason5279 6 месяцев назад

Amazing, practical examples! Tracks that are very well produced and recorded will almost always have a little compression on them already. And then in mixing phase, it gets EQ'd and processed after that so.... 🤷‍♂

@antcall6779 6 месяцев назад

Great as always Colt🤘

@michaelanthony9068 6 месяцев назад

Wow you’re a great teacher. I just discovered you, liked and subscribed.

@calimusic2007 6 месяцев назад

Great video as always Colt, especially the segment with sidechain compression using the amazing Fabfilter. I have to wonder if you could obtain similar result using a multiband compressor? Will have to A/B test this.

@Prodvisionary 6 месяцев назад

I usually use the 1176 first, then eq, then use the LA-2A to make it smooth so the results are almost always super clean on vocals

@johnnywalkerguitar 6 месяцев назад

Good stuff as always buddy!

@BBfanfun 6 месяцев назад

the advice is for SOFTWARE comp. the idea of EQ BEFORE comp stems from console design & older comps (HARDWARE). the process could bring out sibilance in the signal - not outstanding but just annoying enough (noise) when summed up. most insert points got fixed to post-EQ (on budget boards) more important - the advice was to EQ CUT before Comp & Boost after; yielding a "fuller" sound. but YMMV

@jas_bataille 6 месяцев назад

That's an interesting point but what says this can't happen with software? If I'm compressing then I'm changing the harmonics or a signal, in the box or not. Sibilance could be a consequence of that. It depends on so many factors that it's literally impossible to just say, "software compressor cannot produce sibilance". Yes they can - not from any circuit of course but depending on the source material and how it's manipulated, you can't rule that out. There really are no hard rules in mixing except the first and last thing you use eyes for is to check meters lol

@aeiplanner Месяц назад

Colt, this is a good education video that misses the mark. The problem is that you’re BOOSTING before compression which you should never do. You can, and probably should EQ before you compress but ONLY to eliminate/reduce frequencies that are affecting the compressor too much. E.g. even out the frequency response and then your compressor will react properly to the information you feed into it.

@shooten1st 6 месяцев назад

Love the shirt. I have one and quite a bit of the gear on it.

@domasa.4043 4 месяца назад

It makes sense what you are explaining. I don't understand why other people are so picky on this video

@this_is_jmdub 6 месяцев назад

For me it’s like this: I listen to the signal and if the dynamics annoy me I go to a compressor or the fader. If it’s the tone that annoys me, I got to an EQ or distortion. After that work from there.

@jas_bataille 6 месяцев назад

The fader is not gonna change the dynamics of the signal tho. It's only gonna change the dynamics of the song... meaning that the dynamics within the track between the lowest and highest peak remain the same. Regardless, fader balance should always be first, otherwise, you're just gonna waste time going back to correct EQ or comp you've done on a without enough information on the material.

@this_is_jmdub 6 месяцев назад

@@jas_bataille dude that was not the point

@mattstanyer 5 месяцев назад

Cool! This was helpful. Thanks 🙌

@Advents 5 месяцев назад

yes you are right it is about what you want to accomplish :D

@JacobraRecords 6 месяцев назад

Great video!

@chemdrum 6 месяцев назад

Hey Colt, great video!! What are your thoughts in regards to the order of compression and EQ when using a channel strip plugin such as an SSL Channel?

@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn 6 месяцев назад

I've been playing with Waves Silk lately, it does a good job pre-compression, but you can use it several times in the chain, at different intensities.

@guthriejenkins 6 месяцев назад

Great musicians!

@codycreepcore 6 месяцев назад

When Jim Lill did that video on "Where does the tone in a guitar amplifier come from?" (and the conclusion was, the order of EQ and Distortion points in any given amplifier are what gives the amps the tone), it be came clear to me that it was also applicable to mixing.

@TRXST.ISSUES 3 месяца назад

I’m only halfway through but this was a really interesting video. Here’s my thoughts (difficult to say if they’re relevant as my mixes aren’t great these days being out of practice) - you’re correct that using heavy additive EQ into a single band compressor will drastically affect the tone, transient response, character of the sound. Reductive EQ prior to compression is much more subtle. One of my old teachers (mixed Bruno Mars ++) said “why would you want to bring up the level of all that junk you don’t want?” Some of my best mixes were gainstaged into multiband compression and then EQ’d pre compression. Old af beat but searching for “seasho grind hard beat” shows one of these mixes. Obviously still an amateur on my end and still need to finish the video, but I think a lot of this comes down to “it depends.”

@delmixedit 6 месяцев назад

Well done.

@jerry_3m 6 месяцев назад

Whichever is best for the song 😄

@ilikeweirdonames4187 6 месяцев назад

YESSSS FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!!! THANK YOUUUUUUUU

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

Best watch the video before saying that lol

@ilikeweirdonames4187 6 месяцев назад

@@ColtCapperrune huh.... So theoretically I can bump up the harshness on vocals in the Eq for example the "SS" and basically compress it. So that would be Dessing?

@huberttorzewski 4 месяца назад

@@ilikeweirdonames4187 yes. But usually you want faster attack and release times on higher frequencies compared to the lower frequencies

@Squidaniel 6 месяцев назад

It’s definitely a case by case thing. There are situations where I drastically EQ INTO a compressor for effect But I will also EQ after compression to compensate for low end energy the compressor creates. It’s case by case

@confectionarysound 6 месяцев назад

1) Add click bait title that's bound to upset everyone 2) Complain when people are mean in the comments. 3) Profit

@johnisrael5183 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for using tools...for the Video..everyone can afford.....thats very comendable.......

@cursetheserpent 6 месяцев назад

Always do what sounds good. Never do what sounds bad

@scottakam 6 месяцев назад

Never say always! Thanks.

@manueldesilva 3 месяца назад

bravo, nice video 👏👏👏

@ShinyShinyBlack 6 месяцев назад

Love how many folks weighed in their opinions without actually watching the episode. 😂😂😂

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

That’s the internet for ya 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

@legeneralmusic 6 месяцев назад

Good vidéo thx Colt

@Madkay 6 месяцев назад

Golden tips 🙏

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I've clicked on the bait lol and I'm pumped to hear this!

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

😂😂😂

@DroptekOfficial 6 месяцев назад

The correct way is to EQ before comp then EQ then comp again. Then some more EQ if you're still not sure

@johnisrael5183 6 месяцев назад

I just used your method on a Song I mastered...how do you feel with analog gear..... Do you think... I should be compressing...then going into my Souncraft...then coming out open into my ART Transy FET.....then going back into my DAW through my Interface(UAD Volt) or keep it the other way.....like I have it? going out of my G Comp then back into interface...back into the DAW...? Im curios to see what you think?

@johanarens9798 6 месяцев назад

Hey Colt are you back in your main room ? I'm eager to see your room v2.0 !

@TylarPreece 6 месяцев назад

awesome, super helpful video to clear up a few things for me, thank you also, just to clarify is that a typo in the email or is it supposed to be "giv" and not "give"?

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for pointing that out! It is corrected now

@kelvinfunkner 6 месяцев назад

yep! you got me here on the title alone lol....I was like....what the heck is Colt doing haha...but yeah...agree on all points...so many great advantages of eq'ing before AND after comp. I do have a question though...there was a video you did on the Kirchoff eq a while back, and it seemed like you were convinced it may replace the ProQ3....did that all go sideways? Just noticing that you're still using the PQ3. I've never used either before...just curious is all...and finally...so envious that the contest is only available in the US. I'm from Canada and my control room is literally centered around a red and black theme...so yeah...those would look super sweet in our facility here lol...

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

So I do think the Kirchhoff sounds better. But it is definitely not as user-friendly as the fab filter. So I tend to use the fab filter in videos, because I can move faster, and I tend to use it on less important things in a mix, again because I can move faster. But on Things where I’m looking for maximum sonic quality, I’m still on the Kirchoff

@GeorgeAmodei21 6 месяцев назад

Was wondering if that Tornado Cause POWER Outage in your area? Hope you and your Family were safe! Thats a very good TOPIC yhat you did for us. Lots off people don't really understand how the Compressor reacts to our Audio File or MIDI File. The Low End makes the Compressor react much harder & sooner, so HP the Low End ( Depending on Source ) but what your showing us is MUCH more ADVANCED. Greatly appreciated. George

@jas_bataille 6 месяцев назад

Finally someone who talks about why doing corrective EQ first on everything is not gonna work. I am tired of every single person who ever watched a 5 min video about EQ telling everyone the only thing you should with it is subtractive. According to them Chris Lord-Alge or Sylvia Massy are horrible engineers... gimme a break!!! Also, sometimes you shouldn't EQ or compress at all. Rarely on a single track, but sometimes you get lucky and decide to correct or level something that came just right!

@CrisCozy 6 месяцев назад

My process Get a great performance Vox, Drums etc… Then 1. De-es (Vox) 2. Eq 3. Comp 4. Fx

@Alex.Scotti 6 месяцев назад

This is such a good explanation. It couldn't be done better. It's a shame I can't win the beautiful red speakers because I live in Germany. But I might buy them anyway :) Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching, and for the kind words!

@GizmoTHC 4 месяца назад

what about when you mixing vocals? eq or compressor first?

@PeanutButterAM 6 месяцев назад

Things like the Avalon 747 tell us a lot about the process of before and after.

@57Techboy 6 месяцев назад

Agreed, because compression changes the spectral EQ profile. You crush all the work you've done to get the EQ right.

@mickjames7962 6 месяцев назад

If you have an address to ship to in the States but you don’t presently live there can you still enter?

@LBJedi 6 месяцев назад

This may be a question that would require a longer answer than a simple comment can provide, but here we go. What would be the difference between using these side chain techniques, and dynamic EQ, and a multi-band compressor?

@lukehauser1182 4 месяца назад

Oh no - now you tell me! :)

@johnard100 5 месяцев назад

Noob here. I have been using the TDR Molotok compressor and it has a built in low frequency high pass dial which I believe accomplishes the same thing. I am I right in thinking like this?

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Trying to enter contest but email address keeps coming back "not good"

@Willsonix 6 месяцев назад

Interesting video. I was looking forward to entering the competition for the monitors, but I live in the UK, so that counts me out. Also Sweetwater doesn’t exist in the UK! Can you have a word with them please? :-)

@MASTRProductions 6 месяцев назад

Why not both?

@johnisrael5183 6 месяцев назад

You definately can get a better...final sound and style scuplt on the final mix...easier EQing after comrpession...then you have a better Idea...of "How much Saturaion the Song acutally needs"

@ScantlessBeatz 6 месяцев назад

I normally eq before and after

@ScantlessBeatz 6 месяцев назад

But i never do any big ea boost ever just minor adjustments. I learned from a few master mix engineers to do everything in stages light adjustments.

@artysanmobile 6 месяцев назад

Never say never.

@mcdeadcat 6 месяцев назад

I love "you should never"...

@yungspoiler 6 месяцев назад

ok raising the low end on the bass eq does effect the midrange... you are basically turning down every frequency except for the low end, or what ever you are boosting, and vice verse. if you put pro q in the auto gain mode it will sound similar as putting the compressor after the eq tone wise, because the compressor is helping you hear the eq move without the volume difference, which is what auto gain is also trying to do. obviously there will be differences because auto gain is not a compressor, but the claim in the beginning of the video that when you boost the low end that the mid range is not changing AT ALL is kind of misleading, because in reality doing a cut move on everything other than the low end is the same thing as boosting the low end. the stuff about how boosting certain frequencies changes how the compressor reacts is true tho, just it makes more sense to do it with the side chaining feature if thats what your mainly after. its just super important to listen to everything you do at equal gain and i think thats important for everyone to keep in mind while mixing. i know colt knows this and i think he even mentioned it in an eq video a long time ago but i guess was mis spoken in this video regarding that part.

@nnctnlav 6 месяцев назад

EQ -> Compressor -> EQ

@jeffalbro4534 5 месяцев назад

I guess it viewed differently by manufacture. I have a Joe Meek, and it's compressor is before the EQ, but my Softtube SSL 4000 has the EQ first and compressor second, I'm not sure If I can swap that or not, but I know what you mean for sure.

@jeffalbro4534 5 месяцев назад

I know my recording software has it's built in EQ after the VST plug in's, so you have to compress first, unless you use a VST EQ.

@dany0o 4 месяца назад

Eq before and after

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Love those #Auratones!

@DreadPitt 6 месяцев назад

I always EQ before I compress, before I EQ, before I compress.

@ProducerStefanSchnabel 6 месяцев назад

Please think about a Giveaway also for german territory into the future. ;-)

@brianvillage5 5 месяцев назад

if theres a predynamics button im using it

@jamesjames77777 6 месяцев назад

Never EQ after compression….. unless it’s sounds good 😂

@MikeFromDownUnder 6 месяцев назад

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

@drumhead96 5 месяцев назад

Wouldn’t this just function as a multiband compressor?

@okylynes6083 2 месяца назад

#i_make_sure_my_sound_is _clean before compression. I realized even the unwanted frequencies were triggering the compressor... making them worse even after compression more so when it came to vocals

@Vooced 6 месяцев назад

Colt, your gain staging is at least super scary... Bleeding both on in and output. What the hell?

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

Fab filter, plug-ins are 64 bit architecture. You couldn’t clip them audibly if you tried. All that meter does is show the level, but there is no sonic harm in running these plug-ins ultra hot as long as the plug-ins following it can handle.

@Vooced 6 месяцев назад

@@ColtCapperrune Surely aware fabfilter plugs are 64 bit and can handle the heat, it's just my housekeeping nature that shouts inside. #lovegainstagingallplugsintherow

@braddasseymusic 6 месяцев назад

Honestly, this doesn't even matter because every speaker is different. Magic is in the midrange anyway but if you're listening to this on shitty speakers with barely any bass, it won't matter. Also has everything to do with how your factory EQ is set in your car or home stereo. To each their own, but I think EQing before or after, really won't make a difference.

@davidasher22 6 месяцев назад

Jack Daniel’s is EQ

@Misanthropiktorment 6 месяцев назад

Dude I'm a beginner and I have taught myself everything I know and that's not much lol

@the-matrix-has-you 20 дней назад

If there were rules like that SSL consoles wouldn't have the option of changing the signal order on modules each channel. So IMHO there are no rules mate but I prefer subtractive EQ first and then after compression add additive eq if necessary

@passje8007 6 месяцев назад

Never compress! 😂

@cederickforsberg5840 6 месяцев назад

why not

@kodykindhart5644 6 месяцев назад

Aversion to compression should have a term

@kodykindhart5644 6 месяцев назад

Love rocking my tube la2a after my eq it sounds better even when quieter than without 🤘🤘🤘

@ColtCapperrune 6 месяцев назад

Seems people are missing the joke lol

@passje8007 6 месяцев назад

@@ColtCapperrune I think so lol! I meant to say it would solve the issue for when you eq. When I used compression more in my tracks (now I use more saturator instead) I usually would first use an eq to cut frequencies, then compress, then an eq to boost frequencies (to accentuate) But for live sounds compression is probably better, Im talking edm music. thanks for the great video!👍