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New 7x14 Mini Lathe Headstock Tear Down & Rebuild with Angular Contact Bearings 

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Episode 14 in The Series, Tearing Apart a New Mini Lathe Headstock & Rebuilding with Angular Contact Bearings. Analysis of all Headstock Components.
Angular Contact Bearing Ebay Link. bit.ly/2QFZcEQ
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@theflyingdutchman787
@theflyingdutchman787 4 года назад
I thank the universe for Aussies like you. Just took apart my headstock. Holy crap. It had enough metal debris to build a new lathe.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 4 года назад
Cheers Mate.
@geowalabama
@geowalabama 4 года назад
"De-burred with a brick." Love it :)
@briangough30
@briangough30 5 лет назад
You've given me inspiration to upgrade my lathe. Good on ya mate!
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
My Pleasure Brian. Cheers.
@crazyfeller5704
@crazyfeller5704 5 лет назад
Thanks again for documenting. I have one of these fine engineering marvels and the first thing I did was re cut the register. Dramatically improved run out. Fine work on everything. I have some tapered bearings for mine, but I think you have convinced me to go with the angular bearings.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
G'day DM, your 100% correct on the register. I threw the motor on it the other night & did exactly that. It came out really good. Very happy with it now. Cheers Mate.
@VaticansHolocaust
@VaticansHolocaust 4 года назад
@@TheAussieShed Great series. I love your work. However, I'm not sure what you guys mean by "recutting the register". Did you record your work for that step? If not, please give some more details of what you did. Thanks.
@crpth1
@crpth1 Год назад
@@VaticansHolocaust- Remove the chuck and make the slightest finishing cut. To the spindle face and register. Register being the center area. Where the chuck seat against. Notice: The intention is to straighten the spindle face as best as possible. While removing the least amount of material. That's it. I hope it's clear. Since English is not my native language. ;-)
@VaticansHolocaust
@VaticansHolocaust Год назад
@@crpth1 Thank you. Now I understand what he meant. Nobody’s language is perfect, so there’s no reason to apologize. Your punctuations need some correction, but your details are very well written.
@wolfgangzeisig6313
@wolfgangzeisig6313 Год назад
you made my day.
@gvet47
@gvet47 5 лет назад
I have been watching your series. Looks like they picked their best quality lathe to send to you. 🤣
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Story of my Life Mate. You should see my 2 Ex Wives.
@numberkruncherr
@numberkruncherr 4 года назад
I actually started laughing when that second lock nut went on.
@goatman86
@goatman86 4 года назад
10:31 I had to close my eyes. can't watch this :/
@gza06955
@gza06955 4 года назад
My god that was bad
@backyardmachinist
@backyardmachinist 4 года назад
17:55
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 4 года назад
I think you made the correct choice with the bearings. They can take higher rpm, they are sealed and they are direct fit vs the tapered rollers. The stiffness is not necessarily that important, even the shaft itself being that thin springs to a slight banana shape long before the preloaded bearings feel a thing. The machine is anyway only as rigid as the least rigid spot, which is far from the bearings in this case.
@cri8tor
@cri8tor 4 года назад
I agree on the choice of bearings as well and will be using the same ones on my mini lathe.
@dadzilla007
@dadzilla007 5 лет назад
Thank you for this series, a ton of ideas for fixing the Chinese Mini Lathe.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
My Pleasure John, Cheers Mate.
@jimokeefe2390
@jimokeefe2390 5 лет назад
Great series Trevor, with the angular contact bearings you should have explained which way they go in. As you said, they should be opposed, you need to point out hiw to identify which way. "THIN GOES IN" refers to the thickbess of the inner race.
@bustednuckles2
@bustednuckles2 3 года назад
Thanks for that bit of advice Jim, I just got my new bearings from the same source after watching this video for the 5th time and was wondering about that. Thanks again Trevor, for documenting your adventures. I watched the series when it came out and it has turned into an invaluable reference to come back to over and over again. I bought a used 14 inch bed to replace the 10 incher and am upgrading the shit out of everything. Oy, I bet your arms are still sore from all that hand lapping. I used Valve Grinding compound on my bed and cross slide when I lapped it in.. I went back and forth until my tongue was hanging out. It's nice and smooth now though.
@CraigsWorkshop
@CraigsWorkshop 5 лет назад
"Deburred with a brick" lol. Great progress Trevor, keep it up!
@spud4ever290
@spud4ever290 5 лет назад
Trevor does have a wicked sense of humor , lol . 👍
@EigenkonstruktDe
@EigenkonstruktDe 4 года назад
I've been binge watching your series because i just got my mini lathe. Great videos! And thanks for the effort :D I just learned a lot. But i think i won't do everything you did, but i will try to get my lathe work more or less correctly.
@shanent5793
@shanent5793 5 лет назад
Thanks for making this series, looking forward to the next ep. Some thoughts on the headstock: Replace that plastic spacer with a metal one ASAP, it (and the wobbly nut) is carrying the preload now, not just locating the gears. The plastic will creep losing the preload which is necessary to keep the balls from skidding. If you're ambitious, and since you don't have gears in the headstock you could even put spacers between the bearings, equal length, for both inner and outer races.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Thanks Shane.
@denniswilliams8747
@denniswilliams8747 5 лет назад
Nice assembly vid. What you need next is a #3 morse taper test bar to check the head stock alignment to the ways. Mine needed shims to get alignment correct. Thanks
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Absolutely Dennis, sounds like a plan. Cheers.
@kimber1958
@kimber1958 3 года назад
Nice work
@schwartzenheimer1
@schwartzenheimer1 4 года назад
Actually, the run-out you measured is very good for a three-jaw chuck, especially a Chinese one. Don't mess with it...
@allengentz7572
@allengentz7572 5 лет назад
Hi Dedicated watcher,keep em coming.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Thanks Allen.
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 5 лет назад
Hi nice to see how you rebuild a precision head stock spindle. Just here to see your approach. Lance & Patrick.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Thanks Guys.
@DClarke1954
@DClarke1954 2 года назад
A really great Series, Thank You so much. I am afraid I don't have your patience and tenacity to go to those lengths for perfection, I have fixed many of the common problems and I get decent results from something that arrived as a piece of rubbish at £599. It is an 8 x 14 Chinese "Seconds" reject tarted up and sold on e-bay with no support etc. etc. But she makes the parts I want to make. A 4-jaw independent chuck replaced the 3-jaw rubbish it came with. Still struggling with cross-slide backlash and nuts that won't adjust decently. But we survive. :-D Thanks again for all the great videos mate!
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 2 года назад
Cheers Danny, thanks for watching Mate.
@chrisnorton1245
@chrisnorton1245 2 года назад
That lock nut is something else....... Made for a pre-bent shaft maybe? Thanks for a great video.
@toms4123
@toms4123 4 года назад
Thank you for the video. Cld be a strange sequence but I have just finished CNCing this lathe. Concurrent with learning to turn a drawing into G-code Iwill follow your lead with the tuning/mods
@jingoadams8362
@jingoadams8362 3 месяца назад
Dude kick ass accent. Ausi I gather. Good vid bro.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 3 месяца назад
Cheers Mate.😄
@garylarson6386
@garylarson6386 3 года назад
much easier bearing install, put shaft in the freezer for an hour, doing field service we use dry ice
@cri8tor
@cri8tor 4 года назад
Don't know why, but RU-vid "unsubscribed" me from your channel! Removed all of my videos because of some of the changes RU-vid has been making, but did upload some new ones and a revised old one. Don't trust RU-vid anymore. As for your channel, can't thank you enough for recording, editing and sharing the knowledge. The lathe series is my favorite. Cheers m8
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 4 года назад
Man that Sucks, youtube has gone to crap under its current ceo. I've heard a lot of very similar stories from folks. Thanks for sticking with my channel, i really appreciate it. I have a pretty comprehensive shop press series coming up in the next few weeks that may interest you. Stay Strong Mate, Cheers.
@cri8tor
@cri8tor 4 года назад
@@TheAussieShed Look forward to the new series. Cheers brother
@paulanthony873
@paulanthony873 5 лет назад
great job!
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Thanks Paul.
@graham9060
@graham9060 4 года назад
It would be harder to machine that wonky locknut than machine a true one LOL
@RagsdaleCreek
@RagsdaleCreek 5 лет назад
Nice job 🤜🤛 Watching in Alabama
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Cheers Anthony.
@teo5793
@teo5793 5 лет назад
Hi Aussie, remember always to "preload" the dial gauge on the surface, so you are sure it doesn't read 0 for some measurements.. just a tip, thinking you already doing it
@rotaone8513
@rotaone8513 4 года назад
Pissed myself laughing when i saw your "wonky" locknut Trev, i thought you had knocked off mine till i realised you only had one buggered unit...........I got two. Great vids mate, keep em coming.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 4 года назад
Cheers Peter.
@engi-nin
@engi-nin 3 года назад
18:00 このロックナットの歪みは、小型旋盤の標準仕様のようですね This locknut distortion seems to be the standard specification for small lathes.
@AlbiesProductsOnline
@AlbiesProductsOnline 5 лет назад
If you watch the removal of the second lock nut of the spindle it was cross threaded that’s why the threads were bugged
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Hi Barney, yes it does "look" cross threaded. The threads on the lock nut however show no signs of that, there is a single non damaged thread in it, that i would assume was done with the nut sitting out of wack when cutting the thread. But yes you are totally correct, you can see it in the disassembly. Cheers Mate.
@danapatelzick594
@danapatelzick594 3 года назад
A dial test indicator is better than a drop gauge.
@en2oh
@en2oh Год назад
any practical ideas on sealing the head stock for oil lubrication?
@rupertsuzuki3376
@rupertsuzuki3376 3 года назад
Great video series. Without a hi/low it looks like actual seals could have replaced the plastic shields and allowed a taper bearing install. My King Canada lathe has the Hi/Low so its not an option and I'm starting the install of the same annular bearings.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 3 года назад
Hi Rupert, you are correct, from memory there was a seal I found that was a perfect fit too. Definitely a good option. Cheers mate.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 года назад
"They just can't help themselves. Everything is just shit" - great summary of the SIEG mini-lathe. I'm also the sort of idiot to try and fix it up. :)
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 4 года назад
You Crazy SOB, you must really Hate yourself Lol, Cheers Mate.
@avsararas7969
@avsararas7969 3 года назад
Your choice of bearing geometry is right. However, I would go with a nicer brand though. My favorite brand is Nachi but for this case, I've purchased NTNs which provide precision tolerances close to SKF high precision series at a budget price. Those Japanese are just like that you know... I do not think that your bearings will fail soon though.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 3 года назад
Thanks for the tips! Cheers.
@dhc4ever
@dhc4ever 5 лет назад
Not sure if Im a glutton for punishment but I am enjoying this series. If only to see what issues you find and how you fix them. I was thinking about a chinese lathe but after watching you and quite a few others with these on youtube Im starting to feel as I did when I found out all the side effects of the cancer treatment I had (run screaming out the door rapidly). Perhaps in my case spend a few more shekels for a better quality unit. That said you have some great workarounds and fixs for the many short commings these units have. Any way you are hilarious and informative possibly a down under version of AVE. And with that its your shout. Cheers Bloody hell Im finally first...
@NavinBetamax
@NavinBetamax 5 лет назад
dhc4ever . .... I fully agree .......Good painstakingly done upgrades....... Thanks for sharing.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
G'day Mate, thanks for the kind words. Even though it kinda sucks doing this, its very satisfying in the end. I had it running the other night & its coming up good, like, really really good. if you can afford a better unit from the get go, then sure, definitely a good choice. Cheers Mate.
@theafro
@theafro 4 года назад
Do you think that one day we'll say "aah, they don't make them like that anymore!" that's some real effing craftsmanship eh?
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 4 года назад
Jeeze I hope not, imagine that world. Cheers Mate.
@Boblebe
@Boblebe 7 месяцев назад
Congratulations you did an excellent job. I have a question: Before painting the headstock did you remove the old color first? Did you apply primer?
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 7 месяцев назад
G'day Mate, rubbed it down, primed & then Painted it. Cheers.
@plokijij7856
@plokijij7856 4 года назад
Would it be worth while making a new main shaft to fit a bigger 3 jaw and larger hole through the centre? Something I’ve been thinking about doing with my metal master
@WaxMeister
@WaxMeister 3 года назад
Greetings from Canada - I'm just trying to source the main shaft bearings and my local supplier says there is no such thing as a 30X62X16 double sealed Tapered Bearing. I checked our the eBay link provided and it shows what you used (the bearing with the blue seals) Can you confirm to me that the bearing you got was the one in the eBay link. Thanks for your assist. All you other techniques have worked like a hot-damn! I expecting the lathe to perform much better than the OEM delivered product - in fact, yours had more severe issues than mine did but I did have all the same issues, just a few less severs.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 3 года назад
G'day Mate, firstly, thanks for watching my videos, yes, i just checked the link & it is the correct Bearing. Give your supplier the Bearing Part number which is 7206B2RS, he should be able to find them from that. It is the same part number across all Bearing Manufacturers. If that doesn't work I'd go elsewhere. Cheers Mate.
@WaxMeister
@WaxMeister 3 года назад
@@TheAussieShed Many thanks!
@Rstifleable
@Rstifleable 7 месяцев назад
What is the spec’s on the replacement bearing you used?
@stanburdick9708
@stanburdick9708 2 года назад
hope you can tell me what belt that is and where u got it
@David.Munson
@David.Munson 4 года назад
Did you ever video the results cutting material after the bearings were replaced? Mine without any pressure on the chuck looks great on the dial indicator, but when I apply pressure to the tooling you can see the chatter. Have any video showing the improvement cutting?
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 4 года назад
No David i dont at this stage. You sure its the bearings? I imagine you've had everything apart. Have you checked for end float? The bearings need a bit of preload. Cheers Mate.
@David.Munson
@David.Munson 4 года назад
@@TheAussieShed I did some cutting last night and the chatter is gone. Must have been the tool. Thanks. I will post some video next week when I return. Thank you
@paulwatford3197
@paulwatford3197 2 года назад
Great video! I found this super useful to guide me in making my own lathe. (I cant do worse than the chinese)
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 2 года назад
Aint that the Truth Paul. Cheers Mate.
@Bakamoichigei
@Bakamoichigei 4 года назад
My mind was already blown by the paint on the spindle... But holy crap, that crooked-ass locknut! 😂 Man, quality sure has gone downhill since I got my 7x10 back in 2010. It even had properly finished parts, like it was made by people who gave a damn! (Imagine that!)
@crpth1
@crpth1 Год назад
My "lovely" lathe with control panel and rpm panel literally hand cut with a hacksaw! I'm not kidding! Loose headstock (the bolts were too long) and a whole lot more shocking details. Would make anyone (me inclusive) pull hairs from the first look. Bearings damaged right out of the box! Because some "animal" hammered the spindle face until it got deformed!! Which produced a chuck runout of more than 1mm. Not microns, not tenths on mm, but > than 1mm. Might come as a grotesque surprise, but there's more to the story. The exact same blue paint all over. Become a tiny inconspicuous detail... ;-)
@umpy3152
@umpy3152 8 месяцев назад
How are the AC bearings holding up since you installed them?
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 8 месяцев назад
G'day Mate, no problems so far, its had a ton of use over the years too. Cheers.
@mariusgheorghe6465
@mariusgheorghe6465 4 года назад
Better with the motor on😀😀😀
@DavoShed
@DavoShed 5 лет назад
Looks like that second lock nut you took off the back of the spindle was extremely out of square on the thread. (I see you pointed it out on the way back on ) :) I have noticed your chuck backing plate Is part of the spindle. What kind of weird arsed design is that? How can you mount a 4 jaw chuck for example unless it is exactly the same size on the register? Maybe you bore the back of the chuck out or make a backing plate for the backing plate. Interesting video, thanks for making it 🤠
@nrml76
@nrml76 4 года назад
It's actually a very clever and cost effective design. All chucks and face plates register straight into the spindle and are bolted on. You never have to worry about the chuck coming loose and it is a pretty idiot proof design. I get no readable run out on my 3 jaw, 4 jaw and ER32 collet chucks on my mini lathe. This guy seems to have received a particularly bad example. In all honesty, despite all the frustrating niggles, they are quite good value for money especially when you take into account the cost of extra accessories and tooling. With a bit of patience and skill, they are capable of some outstanding work.
@loubergeron9198
@loubergeron9198 3 года назад
Hi, I watched all the chineeese mini lathe video and you are brillant! Much more than me lol. I don’t know how to level the headstock ( same bad level at the back, exactly like yours) . Can you tell me How to fix this problem? Thanks in advance, Louise.
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 3 года назад
G'day Lou, I just used Shim stock. It seemed to work okay.
@loubergeron9198
@loubergeron9198 3 года назад
@@TheAussieShed thanks a lot Sir, please continue to share your knowledge, it’s helpful for a lot of people like me 😉
@evren.builds
@evren.builds 3 года назад
18:20 It's a feature!
@physicsguybrian
@physicsguybrian 3 года назад
Isn't that just the bore rather than taper?
@spud4ever290
@spud4ever290 5 лет назад
Watching your series (great information). Got to ask (given the level of quality of casting and machining from the factory -) are you sure that the center bore of your lathe is parallel to the bed (ie , a dip or buildup of a 1/10000 on a corner[s] of the bottom of your headstock would easily account for run out over the length given after the bearing swap)? Should add I've already watched the whole series (just re-re-rewatching interesting ones)!
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
G'day Mate, you must be Psychic, currently working on exactly that. From the factory, the Headstock Alignment leaves a lot to be desired. Cuts a nice 1/2mm taper over 150mm. Cheers Spud
@spud4ever290
@spud4ever290 5 лет назад
@@TheAussieShed Psychic or psycho , something like that (the latter according to my Missus) ! 😁 Looking forward to seeing your result (think that you shall end up with a Sieg-quality lathe for 1/10th of the price upfront , but sweat equity making up the difference)!
@tomharrell1954
@tomharrell1954 4 года назад
You could replace the black ring that is bent !!!
@cri8tor
@cri8tor 3 года назад
Since all the improvements, how well is the lathe working? Cheers
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 3 года назад
Mate she's a little ripper. You can see it in use in many of my Vids. I'm super happy with it to say the least. Cheers Mate.
@cri8tor
@cri8tor 3 года назад
Awesome! I'll take a look at those other videos.
@viethungbui2182
@viethungbui2182 5 лет назад
Nice work. I have 1 mini lathe also and following your instruction to improve it. Could you advise me about bearing number? Because I didn't see it clearly. Many thanks!
@ragmachiningruffazguts1834
@ragmachiningruffazguts1834 5 лет назад
Angular Contact Bearing Ebay Link. ebay.to/2Xkyeoq
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
G'day Mate , the Bearing number is 7206B2rs there is an ebay link to one in the description. Cheers.
@shawnmcauliffe5072
@shawnmcauliffe5072 3 года назад
Is that blue loctite or some type of anti-seize? OMG that's paint...
@GeneralChangFromDanang
@GeneralChangFromDanang 5 лет назад
Any improvement in rigidity with the new bearings?
@02dag32
@02dag32 4 года назад
Where can you find bearings if you want to buy them for your lathe? I have a china lathe a bit different than this. Can I just measure the axle and the races and order something? Where?
@705johnnyboy
@705johnnyboy 3 года назад
all on ebay
@marianodiaz461
@marianodiaz461 5 лет назад
Mate! Are you sure that that bearing nut is not used as a cam for the oil pump?lol
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
There's Nothing worse, or more painful than Wonky Nuts. Cheers mate.
@headerssxm
@headerssxm 4 года назад
Enjoying your videos was wondering if your head was out of alignment? Mine giving me a taper when tunring
@VaticansHolocaust
@VaticansHolocaust 4 года назад
Sounds like a pun. 😀
@David.Munson
@David.Munson 4 года назад
What did you use to put the bearings? Press? Hammer?
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 4 года назад
G'day David, Yes I used my small workshop Press. They went on quite easily. Cheers.
@David.Munson
@David.Munson 4 года назад
@@TheAussieShed Thank you for your quick reply. Think I can bang the out and in with a hammer and blocks of wood and schedule 40 PVC pipe?
@David.Munson
@David.Munson 4 года назад
them out
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 4 года назад
Hi David, once you get the old ones off, place the shaft in the freezer overnight, it will make it a bit easier to get the new bearings on. Carefully warming the new bearings before installation will also help. You may want to measure your shaft, I have heard there is some variation in them, making the bearings almost slide on on some & be overly tight on others. If your shaft is slightly oversize or out of round doing it by hand may be a struggle. Cheers Mate.
@David.Munson
@David.Munson 4 года назад
@@TheAussieShed Got it. Stay safe.
@davidparker3346
@davidparker3346 2 года назад
I think they painted the shaft to bring the tolerances back to spec. because their lousy machinists took too much off. :)
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 2 года назад
I Reckon you've Nailed it. Cheers.
@Rstifleable
@Rstifleable 6 месяцев назад
My question to you and everyone else is just exactly how do you conduct a pre-load. There is no spec’s on these Chinese mini lathes. So theres no torque specs.
@n.b.2647
@n.b.2647 2 года назад
I don't buy nails from the Chinese anymore
@705johnnyboy
@705johnnyboy 3 года назад
paint n smash on parts ,,,ancestry suggests this started when the makers started not to give two shits ,exact date is locked in a safe in the ccp main headquarters ,i have a new lathe like yours still boxed ....glad i bought all the accessories the basic is not good ,,,bit miffed the cam lock was not on the tailstock the pic said it was there,ebay meh....
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 3 года назад
Yep, par for the course Mate. Sounds like your expectations are in the right place. I'm sure its some kind of test for us. Cheers.
@alfredneumann4692
@alfredneumann4692 4 года назад
You are talking in German.... Scheisse , dis ding..... :-)
@thenet0120002
@thenet0120002 4 года назад
Sorry but the lathe you got was worse case junk. But at least you know how to fix it glad mine was not this bad. You can get better chucks from China.
@NavinBetamax
@NavinBetamax 5 лет назад
Please use microns also........there are many hundred thousands of them on everywhere.....even in inches....?! Lol !
@TheAussieShed
@TheAussieShed 5 лет назад
Good onya Navin, love your work. Cheers mate.
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