I think you’re right. In a way it’s like the boom of the old muscle cars. The group that wanted them when they were kids got older and started wanting them. Now a similar thing is happing to the hot imports from the 90’s and early 2000’s.
@@ETCG1 For sure. 20 years ago a friend of mine was talking about wishing he could store away several of the high spec import cars. Like the Type-R, and basically all the top levels of the Japanese imports. Everybody thought he was crazy because the cars were pretty cheap and not thought to be anything special. Which is basically what all the now popular traditional hot rods and muscle cars were 40-50 years ago. They become valuable once they're desirable, but many of them have be used up or gone to the crusher.
100% correct. for my generation, it was the mid 70s to late 80s GM intermediates. The prices are bananas. Used car prices in general have lost their collective minds, and I'm glad that Ive been able to capitalize on it, pun intended.
I can't stand basically everything happening in the industry. Ford calling a fucking crossover a Mustang. Chevy ignoring their award winning midsized pickup chassis and slapping the Blazer badge on a fuckin Equinox. Toyota outsourcing their Halo sports car. Acura with this latest disaster of an Integra. Let the name die with honor vs badge raping due to lack of originality. It's such a fucking marketing cop-out. Ford took the new Bronco seriously. The rest of the manufacturers could learn from that revival.
Eric your car is going to go from substantial to exponential value increase. As manufactures go from drive by wire to full electronic/electric control. People are going to want that control back and will pay a high premium. In 10-15 years the used car market will show any pre 2006 models with out all the nannies (and possibly emissions control) that were once highly sought after will become the next rage all over again. Coupled with the fact that especially with more RU-vid University videos like yours showing the next generation how to make repairs and modifications to these "Modern Classic" cars.
Two days ago i read the whole of your personal history on your website, and i think it's save to say that you've made such huge progress since you started making RU-vid video's. Besides that i have great respect for how you eventually got it all together in life!
I have a 95 ls and seriously thinking of keeping it after that reveal. My sister even bought a 2001 type r in phoenix yellow with the jdm front, from our uncle and she still owns it and loves it.
The new Integra is taking place of the ILX not TLX. I actually really like the ILX. Sports compact 4 banger with 200hp and dual clutch. No silly turbos with CVTs.
@@mdinelle Honda made the most recent Civic's sheet metal very similar to the outgoing TLX. It was the way Acura chose to drop the v6 from their lineup.
I'm the opposite of most people. I won't buy a vehicle with 4 doors, unless it's just a winter beater with a heater that I get rid of when the weather breaks.
Honda gave the old J35s to GM for some Saturn SUVs and got the Isuzu Rodeo to badge as the Honda Passport back in the day. It didn't last long then...so we'll see about this partnership!
They are pushing the internal combustion engine out of the market. It's going to be glorious when the market doesn't buy fully electric vehicles and they have to circle back.
@@SKANK_HUNT49 No, they don't. They simply don't. If you look at design, execution, and build quality, GM is garbage compared to Honda. That said, Honda is not the company they once were, and in my opinion, has gone downhill in all of the previously listed categories over the past few years.
@@ETCG1 Honda brought back the double wishbone for the 2018 Accord, almost 20 years after eliminating it. Honda used to be great, before 2002. MPG by day and VTEC by night. GM is now worse than Dodge.
Don't blame me, Eric - I've only owned two 4-door cars in my life. And six 2-door hatches, and one 2-door hardtop. And currently driving a 3-door hatch (yeah, a Hyundai - don't hate. 😋 ) And all but one was stick shift, although it took about 6 months of looking to find my most recent one in 3-pedal. Cheers, mate. 👍
Couldn't stop looking at that one beard hair sticking out to the side lol! Jk, but seriously I liked the video, and I think you're right about early type rs going up in value.
What's next? I can imagine Honda reintroducing the Prelude and it looking like an Accord Crosstour with a goofy wing and faux air inlets , giant heavy 20 inch wheels , and more electronic nannies than a Boeing 747. At least when Dodge reintroduced the Challenger they integrated a lot of retro design so that it resembles the ones from the late 60's early 70's . Same with the Camaro and Mustang. The new Civic Type R makes me nauseous to look at , it looks like someone checked the Factory Ricer package option when they ordered it . If they incorporated some older original design elements into these cars it would at least make it interesting and familiar .
One thing I’ve learned is never underestimate peoples stupidity. The new Supra that came out was trash and was basically a Z4. But people still bought it because people with money have no taste in vehicles or anything. Honda and Toyota need to take notes from Nissan on how you bring back a legendary sports car.
I think Honda is forgetting who their target buys are. People who most likely don't have the ability to wait for a decent charge let alone can charge their car at home. Toyota was smart about this.
The old school 92-93 Integra gs-r db2 deserves its bit of attention too. Technically rarer than the DC2-R as well. With the conversion of electrics soon quite a bit more Hondas and Acuras will go up as well. Not just the rare ones.
If Acura was going to bastardize the Integra name, they should've let it stay dead. I'm not going to say that we're "lucky" to have an Integra at all. Nah, just call it an ILX, let this lineage rest in peace.
Ugh, usually I'm under 10 comments, but hurting this morning, slow start, sorry I'm late to the party, I have some other thoughts, first EC thank you as always, sending you a Christmas Card this year hopefully if the mail runs right it will get there on time. And yes you are right they go by what folks are buying so no one get upset on four door only, I wish they made more old style / retro versions but that's me, lol. I think you are correct on value wise, and soon my other thoughts, but like the 78 Dodge Ramcharger I inherited from my Dad when he passed, it's not much but it's worth more now than it was new and when I work on it and get him mean again I've seen them sell for 80k plus, but even though Dodge and Honda make lots of parts, (here is my thought/question/worry) one day there will be little to no parts for that, just as is the Ramcharger yes it's a 43 yo vehicle, but that may happen sooner if Acura go all electric, eventually I'd think they will either run out or stop making parts for the combination engines they sold. If the Ramcharger didn't have my family heritage or heirloom behind it I'd probably sell it after it's fixed up. It's drivable and street legal now, just some tiny things wearing out and a service it needs. I think the new Integra looks odd, I think that might be as you described it. When I was a kid in highschool, I remember when Howard Stern was on normal radio (age date lol) he always plugged buying an Acura Integra and when I saw them on the streets I thought yeah they look good Howard Stern! Lol Cheers and Thank You EC!!!
No worries on the card, but thank you. Merry Christmas to you too. Hard to say what parts availability will be like in the future. I wonder how 3D printing will come into play as more manufacturing seems to be moving in that direction. Time will tell I suppose. Thanks for the comment.
The famous words "They just don't have the market for it" Every time I hear that I think to myself, what about people like me. While I'm not a big fan of the Integra, I liked the larger coupes they made. Year ago, I owned a 2001 3.2 CL Type - S and aside from the crappy transmission the dealer I worked at replaced under warranty, that car was great. I think they should also ditch the TLX and bring back the TL. That was a very successful car. I owned 2 of them - 2004 base, and a 2010 SH-AWD. Both were great cars.All it takes is one person to start a trend then the market follows.
So there's market and then there's fanboys, kind of a big difference. I'm not calling you a fanboy, just saying there isn't many guys like us out there. It's the same thing with the Supra, I like though I'm a Chevy guy, but no one has 50-60k sitting around to drop in these cars. The Civic Type R is now around 50k and it's really not that good of a car. It's has great technology in it, but for that price it's still a civic at the end of the day....
It's cool that they're including a 6MT but I'm disappointed they didn't include the 2.0T from the CTR... but better than nothing? Wondering what Acura will do features wise to distinguish vs. the Civic 11th gen...
5:27 -- the hon-duhhhh 3.5 in the Saturn Vue comes to mind. Only reason it got axed was because GM kept pushing Dex-cool on it, dex cool all the way.. hon-duhhhh wasn't having any of it so ope no more hon-duhhhh engines in GM products because they wanted to stick to blue coolant
I believe by the capstone they mean putting out new engines only. There is no way they're going to stop producing existing powerplant ICE vehicles after 2022. Just imagine the amount of money they put into the new fourth gen MDX that just came out!
Keep in mind that Acura is just an offshoot of Honda. They'll still use the MDX platform for Pilots, and Ridgeline's. It will be interesting to see how things shake out in the next few years for sure. Thanks for the comment.
The looks is not my problem with this car. It's that they used the 1.5 on it. This car should at least be more sport than the civic si. Like what the hell, if combustion engines are going away, go all out Don't hold back.
I don't know that it's not people buying 2 doors...2 doors aren't available in the car's you'd want to buy. I can't buy a 2 door GTI (anymore), There was no 2 door SRT-4 (but there was a 2 door convertible PT cruiser), etc. I have ZERO need for a rear seat or rear doors. But it's what is available. I feel like they don't offer 2 doors so they can save on tooling and manufacturing costs, and offer 4 doors because nowadays most people lease.
Agree with you Eric. Yes the value will keep going up and as long they keep taking the purity of the vehicles out of the new market like the manuals (Save the Manual) they will keep going up in value and if it is manual even more. The real car enthusiast will always preferred to have a manual as 1st option than automatic. I get it automatic can be quicker in some applications but if you are looking for that connection between you and the vehicle and enjoying the driving and making the car do what you want the manual it is the way to go. As far electric vehicle, they are soulless and I don't see my self falling in love to one of those platform like having a internal combustion engine with manual gear box.
Eric literally didn’t mention is an exact copy of the civic si. Nothing more nothing less. But they will charge a premium for it. So really. A type r civic cost what 36? Plus dealer markup for a civic…… it’s just a civic…….. now they are making a fancy civic SI and they will charge 40k plus. I will laugh so hard in everyone’s face I see in the street that buy the new integra and think they are hot stuff insert curse word. I’ll trade my wrx in for the new integra if I can buy it new for what I paid for my new SI. 25k.
At the very least, it's not a crossover/SUV that they revealed with a revived nameplate, unlike some manufacturers out there (Mitsubishi, I'm looking at you), and that most manufacturers who are NOT American are keeping sedans alive. The new upcoming Integra is a compromise of today's market. It doesn't have a lot of things we want, but it does have enough of what we need. Not just on the Integra nameplate itself, but for the sedan market in general. I just hope that with the imminent electric future, the vehicles will just look like regular sedans, and not just an overdesigned vehicle with a raised ride height. Tesla themselves made the Model S as fun when it comes to speed and handling. I just hope that other manufacturers will follow suit in the sedan category of electric vehicles by adding a fun factor to them. With that said, Honda should have went the way on what Nissan did with the upcoming Z, where they still use the same chassis code and platform, yet, build a new car around that old but tried and true platform, and continue to build fun cars. Nissan also knows all too well the electric vehicle is the future (as we witnessed with two generations of the Leaf, and the upcoming Ariya), so they offset that with one of the very few of its kind left in this era of rear wheel drive, 2-door sports cars with a manual transmission, that are relatively affordable.
For me it was the engine. L15 is garbage. If this is a the last ICE, why not drop the k20c4 in that would compete against the Hyundai’s Ns and Toyotas GR-Four. Also would justify the mark up from the Si.
Hi Eric .first happy birthday (its my birthday month too) I think we are the same age. Second , the opposite can happine if new laws came against the use of internal combustion engines. So you will keep your vehicle on the shelf as a collector's item and thats all.
Being there is now a capstone on their internal combustion, I think it will definitely drive the import and wrecking yard prices of k-series engines as the k-series drove up the price of b-series when those got harder to find. I also think this electric push that’s being driven not by the market is going to drive up the prices of older vehicles. The public definitely understand that this push isn’t sustainable in our current powers grid. This leads me to side with Eric on the subject of subscription based vehicle “ownership” even tho you won’t actually own the vehicle.
Eric, I have a red 1992 Acura integra GSR with 130k miles on it, all original except the adjustable coilovers and wheels it's sitting on. I'm from the upper mid-west and it took me years to find one in good shape that still had the original powerplant.
I agree, not making a coupe version was a very bad idea. Gen-Xers my age are in midlife crisis zone now, and this could have been a great offering for many to satisfy their need for that fountain of youth. Instead, it looks like an Accord. 😑
Interesting how a few decades ago, 4 doors were so uncool. Today, hardly anyone wants 2 doors and 4 doors are so popular. It's also nice that the Integra name has been resurrected, better than the silly three letter names Acura started using. That Integra Type R looks sweet! Nice that it hasn't been beat up and/or heavily modified. I think as any car gets to be 20 or 30 years old, the remaining cars still out there become worth more, but even more so with the iconic Integra from Honda's golden days. And I agree, resurrecting the Integra name is very likely to create even more interest in the older ones, thus increasing their value.
I’m waiting to see the “but what’s more” that the Integra will offer over the Civic- besides leather, of course. The potent 2.0T or a slightly bored out 1.5T (1.6 liters?) would get me salivating.
I'm guessing since they already have AWD platforms around, they'd just need to make one with a manual transmission. I suspect this is what they would do with a "Type R Integra" trim at some point. I suppose we'll see.
all internal combustion has a capstone on them with ny and cali and a few others mandating all electric by a certain date . i got a 67 c10 and i wonder if ill be able to afford to even start it by then
@ericthecarguy Just sold my 10 gen Honda civic hatchback sport.. Got good money for it since the 2022 is starting to roll out... Whyyy did I sell my hb??? New Integra is coming out soon and didn't want more depreciation on my Honda... Boom
It sucks how there's literally nothing fun and simple to drive any more. Everything is 4 door with automatic transmissions. When did all this happen? I've never owned a 4 door, and never owned an automatic. It's really disappointing how the love for driving has been lost - especially by Honda of all companies. They used to have so many fun, sporty little cars available - now they're partnering with GM? YUCK.
I'm torn between Integra and Civic hatch. I do like that the Civic has a naturally aspirated option with manual, but imagine the interior of the Integra will be nicer. Also, I prefer the 4 door hatch because it's as close to my old Accord wagon as possible cargo-wise, so the fun car can be the everyday car.
I don't understand the 5 door hate. The Integra was launched with a 5 door model. I have never liked 2 and 3 door cars when there is a back seat. Too awkward to get in and the doors are too long. Have only 1 row of seats? But all means have just a single set of doors then.
Nostalgia sells, look at the Bronco. They missed the mark and for as much as a love honda/acura of the past. I hope this flops so they can kick themselves for making their capstone THIS boring.
Don't blame me Eric, I've only owned 2 door cars my whole life. 2 of which could seat 4 , and the rest were 2 seaters. Honestly though I don't wanna hear that acura can't make a 2 door integra when you have other new cars coming out like the FRS , 400Z , Miata ND2, and the not so new "supra" . What Acura did to the integra is the equivalent of Chevy coming out with a next gen Corvette that looks like a Malibu. That thing is junk , I don't see anybody into performance going out to buy that. Only thing they accomplished was destroying the integra nameplate. Only thing good about it is now there's going to be another mass produced car with the L15b7 so there will be more of those engines out there driving down the cost of them making it more affordable to swap them into the DC2 chassis.
MX5, BRZ/86, Supra, Z4, Boxster/Cayman, Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, 400 Z, A5 etc. There is a market for two door cars that span the price and performance range. It's just fairly small and there is a lot of very good competition. The Honda that was willing to take a risk just doesn't exist anymore. And honestly, I don't think that is a healthy thing for Honda's future. I can guarantee you that Toyota is probably losing money on the new Supra, and Nissan probably won't make much on the new Z, but they are cars that gave those companies a lot of good press and will drive sales of other cars. When they teased the new Integra the hype was high and people were excited. When they introduced the actual model, there was nothing but disappointment. And if there is anything Honda needs right now is a little excitement. They are fast becoming the forgettable Buick of the Japanese car makers. They could have done literally anything else with the Integra nameplate and it would have been better. Personally, I think they should have reserved it for their first electric model. Even if they kept the four doors and meh styling but actually made a car that could actually compete with the Model 3 in both price and performance, that would have been huge. Hell they could have taken it a step further and used the name for an entire range off electric cars and given a sedan, coup and even a sports car/roadster models. Can you imagine if Honda came out with an Integra branded electric roadster that was in the 50-70K range that had the performance of a Model S before Tesla could come out with their half million dollar ridiculous Roadster? Shit would hit the fan and Honda/Acura would be the talk of the world.
I wonder how many 3rd Gen TL Type-S 6 Speed Manuals Acura Made during the 07 and 08 years I have a 6-speed car and it was like trying to find a unicorn It was extremely hard to find I don't know how many they made does anyone know?
When you consider the fact that most people live in apartments, and that 99.9% of apartment (including co-op and condo) buildings cannot charge an EV overnight, it makes me wonder why our society seems to be rushing to EVs at the current rate. Yes, they do have some potential advantages, but if you cannot charge your EV overnight, you cannot take advantage of a major advantage they offer. Also, always using the local fast charger is not good for the long term health of the battery.
Eric, technically not the first “turbo 4-cylinder from the factory” by Acura. Remember the original RDX? Had that strange K23Z that everyone with a K24 robbed the exhaust manifolds off back in the day? Yeah, that one was the first Acura. I might be wrong but I, like many others, remember the RDX greatly touted as “the first”.
