New Biotech Killbox - The "Tox Box" | RimWorld (Biotech DLC) 

Not to mention the thousands of dollars worth of clean armor I got!

@@VenomSteak *Clean* is obviously suitable to describe clothes doused in lethal chemicals that is enough to kill an army of soldiers.

@@refuze2quit603 thank you, Ty😎

@@VenomSteak Was trying to be ironic but now it sounds a bit passive aggressive for no reason lol sorry if it sounded that way.

@@refuze2quit603 Na, you're good. I was saying "Thank you Tynan," for his weird logical inconsistencies that we can exploit.

Lol that's what the firebox is for

Thank you and I love the cat in your PFP

A human player would never fall into the kill box traps.... hopefully the developers improve the AI so the enemies can be more challenging to prevent unrealistic base defenses.

@@NTJedi there’s loads of mods you should checkout for that kind of thing, Rjmworld is built for you to make the game into whatever you enjoy most

@@NTJedi A human player is also never fun to most players. No one wants to fight a human, they want to fight what they perceive as human.

@@haihuynh8772 Statistics prove you are wrong... Unity shared its 2022 Multiplayer Report, focusing on the multiplayer genre and its popularity. The report states that more than half of the global population play games (52%), and 77% of them play multiplayer.

@@NTJedi How is that related to my point about RimWorld. Those other multiplayer games are designed in a fundamentally different ways and do not apply to RimWorld's design. People play those games with different expectations, and play RimWorld with different expectations. Everyone will hate a "human" AI that cannot be exploited.

That's what the firebox is for

Tox Box, Fire Box, what next?

@@tac5901 emp box.

@@tac5901 doomsday box

@@tac5901 boom box

It's better to have the raids enter stacked, that way they all drop about the same time. The doors are there to help disperse the gas to prevent people from dying, the idea is you want as few casualties as possible.

I guess you could make the doors of materials with high HP as well as the walls, so when they try to break out they take longer giving more time for the gas to have effect

@@koresaliva you really want the raiders out as fast as possible so that you can send your people in to clean up the mess they left and salvage anything that can be useful (such as living bodies)

@@Robosium But as you can see in the video, most of the raiders are left alive (I'm presuming op is playing with Enemy's death chance on downed set to 0%) so you can buff up the door's hp to be slightly higher than wood just long enough to get the remaining people down and maximize profit

@@VenomSteak The most chaotic good kill box I have ever seen. Quietly putting down a horde of raiders without killing them, but warcriming them with chemical warfare. Helps out finding good pawns from these groups. 10/10.

Imagine if raiders got distracted and started playing with the kids.

Oh no, my weakness! Children! *starts becoming caretakers for the weaponized orphanage*

@@edward9487 ...then the kids all pull shivs

Yeah the autobong is missing from here, so I know I could push this even further

lol my thoughts exactly

Fast repair

I want the doors to come down. If they don't most everyone ends up dying and that is not what I want.

@@VenomSteak you Can use conducts

*what's left of them* will make a full recovery!

Lol yeah, he aaaaallmost had it! Too bad

A human player would never fall into the kill box traps.... hopefully the developers improve the AI so the enemies can be more challenging to prevent players from using unrealistic base defenses.

@@NTJedi Well, if you got a bunch of closed doors and an open door, you take the open door if you're breaking in. It's not a "lol dumb AI" thing but common sense. You don't think that way because you assume the "human player" would have a sky view of the base and know what's behind each door and wall, but if it doesn't and instead has a ground view, I'd say picking the open door sounds like saving time.

@@TheHarcipoter If you play the game then you would see the dumb AI will send hundreds into a single corridor where dozens die over and over and over. Maybe in your mind you would still walk into a corridor after watching 5 people die in front of you, but that's "Dumb AI" inside a game.

@@NTJedi Still a good reproduction of human behavior. Look at D day. You think those idiots seeing everybody get mowed down in the beach were like "oof let's go back and swim" or they pushed forth? Heck, look at every siege in history. They push forth. Maybe you chicken out after one dies, and STILL the AI does that too! Except it waits until 75% are dead before chickening out.

It's not.

This isn't Waco, buddy

It isn't, and thank God. That would be a nightmare.

Shame, i loved it when the Incindenary Mine at the End of the Tunnel set off everthing, including the Vents though. But always a Firework.

@@fuchsmichael93 that does sound like something out a movie

The oven is still very viable! In fact, this can be converted to that real easily.

I dont see no UN on the RIm. Plus, its only a war crime if you lose.

It's important to get them to path to an entrenched turret, that way they stay bunched up. If they were to spread out, their movement patterns become less predictable.

Yes, but thought there had to be a squirel or pawn roughly were they were so they would path to them

Yeah just a demo. The raiders enter the box because they are hardwired to path towards hostile turrets. And I have two of them at the end of the tunnel.

I was gonna call it the most evil killbox until I realized it has the highest survival rate of any killbox, to date.

@@VenomSteak Yes they survived, but after they wake up and find that some part of them is gone.

Vents don't work bc they just punch them to shreds. Actually more expensive to replace than the traps themselves. If you want your metal back, just take the armor/weapons off the enemy and smelt it down. You'll get more than what you spent back!

no

Nope, it dissappates with time.

It's evil, but effective

@@VenomSteak it's the rim. Harvesting a sedated human is the most humane thing happening here.

It's actually the most humane killbox. ~30% casualties is much lower than any other method I've seen.

@@VenomSteak What is the most inhumane killbox then?

@@miakodakot7359 the other one I just finished testing. God rest their souls.

With the right Ideology, you could have both.

"BIOTECH" DLC. They're great.

I'd give it maybe another week or two. They're still working out some of the kinks. TBH I've had more frustration than fun with it so far.

@@VenomSteak What problems have you ran into? Just surprised, cause I've been playing it almost every day since Biotech came out and haven't noticed much.

I personally like it. Finally you can , modify genes at will, have baby's, build destructive robots and even become (almost) immortal. Most fun in vanilla rimworld I ever had.

don't listen to VenomSteak, this is the best DLC they've put out

@@Marqan My issues are more on the development side of things. Frustration with "balance" decisions, lack of accessibility to certain parts of the game. Gene modding is too random, fathers end up hating their babies because of a little crying. Stuff like that has been taking some of the fun out of things for me. The good news is, the devs are listening to us folks in the Dev server, and things are generally getting better.

It's definitely a late game killbox. But it you want to, you could use the basic design for anything really.

Probably

Now you're speaking my language!

Yep, it's a safety measure. If there's too much heat/gas, you can deconstruct those quickly to prevent casualties.

Trying to get to the turret. I don't make the rules, I just exploit them :D

ideology lets them not care sometimes

Ideology. I have a "precept" that makes my colonists not mind... organ donations.

@@VenomSteak oh that is why.

Lol pretty much

That's a feature! If they didn't bust out the doors, a lot less of them would survive. I'm all about the humane killboxes these days.

Yep, raiders' AI is generally to prioritize accessible turrets. I think Tynan was trying to nerf their usefulness, but ended up making them way more powerful instead.

Heh

Not at all. That's what the singularity is for.

@@VenomSteak Know of any good video explaining that one? It's been a long time since I last played, as far as I know, only the regular killbox was a common thing back then. (While at it, know of any good defense ideas other than killboxes?)

@@Dagroth check out Adam versus everything's singularity killbox. He explains it great. As for non killbox strats, you're I luck! I'm planning a series on that.

@@Dagroth Short version is, make super-soldier units. Kit a few melee warriors in marine armor, uranium maces, then back them up with Rangers. Assault rifles are best, sniper rifles can be good for niche-use as well. Finally, kit all Rangers with psychic lances. Berserk are the best, especial for centipede raids.

Godspeed

I think the pawns have a priority to attack gun turrets

Pawns dont like to destroy thing to progress to the target. Their target is usually a pawn, colony animal or a turret. So they prioritize way with least destruction (unless its breach raid).

The raid prioritized my turrets, and the unguarded furniture. Their haste was their undoing.

Yep. Wasters and mechanoids. Also bugs. So it's not a catch-all. It's just a tool you can use against certain raids.

@@VenomSteak Gets wasters and insects too: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lPfY4gWipEg.html

@@Liwet. Damn. I've been perfecting a very similar build for a while now. And there Adam goes, beating me to it XD

True, that would be a lot of mechs...

It's ok, just collect the waste, put it in a transport pod and send a Christmas gift to your friendly raiders base!

They do not. They are also very effective in open areas, as they create a lot of tox gas when they explode that lasts for quite some time. You can shoot the mines to poison raiders taking cover if you don't use killboxes.

@@molybdaen11 I send it to the furries

Yeah na, their stink disappates over time

Genuinely laughed out loud at this. Considering the toxin levels, it'd probably be a venom steak...

1. Turrets/furniture draw raiders into confined quarters 2. Raiders are downed due to toxic shock 3. Profit Basically, it's a good defense and a money generator. It requires a lot of work on you and your colonists' part, but you can get organs, armor, good colonists, a whole lot of useful things with this design.

Non-breaching raids always prioritize turrets. If they have direct access to turrets, they'll beeline to them. I also put a bit of furniture in there, to be sure.

Yeah, that's why we got the doors too. The idea is you have a fire box following the same design, force your enemies into that. And for mechs, you have prayer.

You want rat defense, I got another vid for that

@@VenomSteak yes

me too

Considering its useless against mechs, wasters, and insects, I'd say it's pretty balanced.

@@VenomSteak but you can capture a lot of humans to harvest them, sell them, or recruiting them. You can still create a killbox for the other enemies, like a singularity killbox

Endtable/turrets. Perfect draw for enemies.

@@VenomSteak Thank you, I didn't know that.

Well yeah, that's what breacher raids are for. Tbh, RimWorld combat in general needs a rework though. So much of it doesn't make sense. I mean, where do these raiders get 103 people willing to fight to the death, over and over again? Why do miniguns have a forced miss radius? How do people punch through walls!? _Madness._

Yeah... truth.

Yeah. Sometimes I think Ty listens to the hardcore fans who want more difficulty too much. But hey, here's something that might help: get some psychic lances. Get those drop-pod raids to turn on each other can really turn the tide.

@@VenomSteak oh I've tried lots of solutions and some work. But because they can drop and crash through roof. If they land in one of your storage buildings with a bunch of expensive stuff and start shooting and destroying everything like I'd rather just quit reload or cheat then lose everything I have because they decided to drop in the middle of my base. Am I most recent playthrough they landed in the middle of my hospital and had been destroying like expensive beds and electronics and all kinds of crap before I could even begin to mobilize people to defend. Then when I got people to start defending all the crossfire destroyed half the rest of the stuff.... It's just not fun for me.

@@VenomSteak in my most recent game I was almost entirely inside a mountain which helps a lot.... But then no matter how hard you try, you still can get infestations in perfectly clean floored areas where there's dirty areas nearby, which again can ruin all your stuff

Shoutout to One Hunch Man, freaking legend.

My opinion on RimWorld's balance is probably a video by itself XD I think Tynan should move away from all the tweaking and tuning and just embrace the chaos that RimWorld was borne from. I played the game at release, and I'd been watching it since the beta. It was _fantastic_ . The more they try to control it, tune it to perfection, the more problems that seem to arise. I wish they could just let it be crazy, broken, everything that made it fun to begin with.

Ewww

@@VenomSteak newest rimworld update is jus death by fard fr

@@aquarius5264 XD