NEW Breville Oracle Jet! | SCA Chicago 

I agree with the steam/pour comment. Seems a bit retrograde and less user friendly. I think the menu looks sharp and the on screen steam wand tip temp, hot water, grinder & tamping is a move forward as well. Asking someone to give up the steam/pour for the other advancements is a mixed bag.

It would be way more expensive. Breville makes “toys”, not machines for serious espresso. A toy is totally fine, but it’s not in the same league as a pro machine.

@@Fluterra I don't know... for the money, the dual boiler is a pretty capable machine and plenty of enthusiasts are keen on it. Sure, Breville don't make heavy metal machines like La Marzocco or Rocket etc, but they do have a machine in their line up (the Dual Boiler) that's got great features for the money and is geared toward people who are less casual and don't need a ton of automation; it would be nice to see them expand on that offering. And I'm not sure that the features i listed above would have to be way more expensive... the slayer mod for flow control on the current Dual Boiler is very quick and cheap to carry out at home, so once they got the manufacturing set up then it should cost Breville peanuts to carry out themselves. Programmable buttons and Bluetooth integration would require minimal hardware and just a little software, and a few extra electrical items such as sensors would again probably cost Breville peanuts. While they could potentially charge a lot for a machine with all of those features, i stand by my belief that they could pitch it at the same kind of money as the oracle; they'd be saving on all the parts that contribute to the automation (including maybe the touch screen) so could use that saving to add in the features that would give full manual control.

​@@Fluterra The dual boiler is better than most e61 machines on the market lol

Also 10/10 videography

You can choose any temperature you like. It's adjustable

Machine isn't technically released for sale yet, so this is a sneak peek! Yes, it is 58mm

Yes! It is from Artpresso

That's the original Oracle

The automatic distribution and tamping, as well as the improved screen, roller base, front filling water tank, and likely some added adjustment to things like pre-infusion

For me still steam wand is far away compared to La Marzocco machines. I thought that Breville would change it, but I feel disappointed 😢

I can confirm that my water spout dispenses at about 65c to 70c. But one person's flaw is another person's feature... I personally like being able to drink my coffee sooner rather than have it sitting on my coffee table lol. They should def have let us control the temp though. Then again, maybe they do, I've never looked.

Same issue I've seen with barista pro and barista touch. I always tell my customers if you want black coffee don’t get a thermojet machine because it will never be hot like a dual Boiler or a thermo block from the express. Although 70 is a comfortable drinking temperature for me, it may not be as hot as some people want

And this is where intended use comes into play I think. My second cup is generally a dbl americano made just before I head out the door for a 20 min drive to work. I drink it at my desk. The difference in temp. is substantial in this scenario.

@@caffeinefix2751 Thing is, it can't be directly related to having a thermojet, because that same boiler has no trouble hitting 95c for espresso and 100c+ for steam generation... I suppose it could be a flow rate thing. If I need it really hot I'd personally just pull an espresso and top it off with the kettle, but I understand they are less common in the US. I'm not sure a dual boiler is the answer though, dispensed water from them can taste kinda funky, even on a well maintained machine.

The Oracles have a built in distributor

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks 👍

@@LifestyleLab_So compared to the touch impress, all you are getting extra, is auto tamp and a nicer display?

Also a 58mm portafilter, more programmability for things like pre-infusion, front filling water port, retractable wheels, and the oracle all in one steam arm

@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for reply :-) Do u know anything about release date and prices?

On their website it says the group head is heated. This is going to be 3,800 machine.

@@MrWiseinheart I recently learned this too. Cold portafilters/grouphead was the primary drawback of their new system imo

Absolutely! But also need to factor in the cost of a good espresso grinder which is even more important to final drink quality :)

Why was the previous Oracle crappy? 🤔 Distribution + Tamp, Impress machines just tamp

I find the impress dosing and puck system to produce a more consistent and better shot over the oracles distribution and tamping fan. The latter being so inconsistent. Thanks for the question, I love the channel btw.

Interesting observation! I can't say I noticed the same, but love hearing others thoughts who have experience with both models

How did you get it if it's not released yet? 🤔

@@LifestyleLab_ i think the product is embargoed until July 5 (tomorrow) but one of the stores in Australia actually had stock of them so i went in the morning and got one 🙂

@mmarsbarr wow, impressive!

@@LifestyleLab_will this machine come to the US? Was looking to get my wife one , I like the look of this one more than the touch impress

@DisneyTravelBlog yes, haven't been able to pull an exact date out of them yet though

I’m fairly sure it will be, so nothing to be worried about 😅

haha!! was thinking the same.

@@douggilmour2704 😃😃🤦🏽🤦🏽

If you're looking to get a certain color, seems like a good opportunity to do so!

I decided to have them fix the Oracle Touch. Its the top of the line at 2800 usd seems like a shame to downgrade to a $900 model after it

Nothing firm yet!

Nothing official yet but I’ve heard rumours that it’ll be around $2000USD (probably be launched at $2999CAD). My guess is it’ll be launched before the end of the year.

I think most of the negative comments about this new model are assuming that it's a replacement for the existing Oracle, which I understand. But your viewpoint is correct in that it is a gap-filler in the product lineup and will be well suited to most homes!

Faster start up with the themojet, better steaming quality, better overall build. But if you already have an Oracle, I think you're right that it may not be worth the upgrade even for the eventual dual heating system version

58mm

It may actually be the same burrset. The Pro was apparently silently updated in 2023

Tamp quality was good. Looked identical to the original Oracle. I'm sure your unit was just a lemon.

I'd say probably not unless you REALLY want a 58mm portafilter and fully automatic tamping. Touch impress also has MilQ system

@@LifestyleLab_ That silky touch screen too - damn you Sage, I’m tempted! Thanks for your reply 👍🏾

Great video!

I don't think the no grinder part will happen, but can see the two thermojets based on what the reps were hinting at. Never know though! A new Dual Boiler could happen

This is me as well. I'm using an Apex until I can save up enough for a steel duo, but a new BDB with instant heat up and auto steaming would probably come in cheaper and guaranteed with better support.

@@LifestyleLab_ isn't the issue that a typical US outlet cannot handle the amps needed to run coffee and steam simultaneously on a jet based system? That's why Decent won't let you run simultaneously, eventhough there are separate coffee and steam systems built in already. Requires 240V.

Not necessarily, Ascaso made it work, it just needs a 10A circuit

Not confirmed yet

Dual boiler version to come

@@LifestyleLab_you got a confirm on a duel jet? Any time of release?

No, even this machine is still not fully released! To come very soon

Will definitely be cheaper than the current Oracles I imagine. Future dual heating system versions will probably be up at the current Oracle prices.

There is no boiler, but the thermojet is really fast, I don't miss the slow boilers there days.

This isn't a replacement for the original Oracle. That is coming later.

58mm

The auto distribution and tamp is better on the Oracle too (from what I've seen, never used an Oracle). It's arguable whether the 58mm portafilter is even an upgrade though... I know Lance Hedrick seems to prefer a narrower basket. The display is a huge upgrade for me personally though. I've got some vision issues and the light theme on the current models is really hard to use.

Price isn't announced yet Yes, you just watched it make coffee???

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks - I use to be a lab tech in a coffee company in Toronto .

higher than touch impress which if you ask me is enough, what else do you need

I highly doubt it. Not something their target audience would need / understand.

Yes, the models using Baratza burrs are a nice step up

@@LifestyleLab_ Is it so much quieter as it seems in the video compared to the Oracle Touch?

A bit tough to tell in such a loud environment, but I got a bit of a sense that it might be quieter

I had the same issue and returned mine. The Breville tech I spoke to said the low temps I was getting from the machine was not hot enough and suggested I return mine for a replacement. I heard of similar issues from other owners and concluded it was a common issue with the touch impress.

They're saying late summer early fall

This is all that was announced at SCA

Because it isn't available for sale yet. Soon!

They're on everything now except the Express line. Barista Pro, Barista Touch, Barista Touch Impress, Oracle Jet, Oracle, and Oracle Touch all have the new Baratza burrs.

having at least a dual jet would be nice. Or 1 boiler and 1 jet.

They were STRONGLY hinting at a new dual boiler version as well. Might be two thermojet loops. What about a thermojet do you think is inferior to a traditional boiler?? Faster heat up, more efficient, temp accurate...

It depends how they price it I suppose... But they can't go too low because the touch impress exists. I personally bought a touch impress because (believe it or not ) I specifically wanted a thermoblock rather than a dual boiler, and I'm already a little annoyed by this upgrade arriving 6 months later... If the pricing is competitive with the touch impress, that seems like a bit of a kick in the teeth.

I'm thinking the pricing will be.... high. Given it holds the Oracle naming

@@LifestyleLab_ isn't the instant power draw a bit higher in thermojets? when running on solar it could be a reason to avoid

Still haven't seen the steamer in action, but the machine itself is looking great! I'll have a clip in my full video. UI is smooooth

Love the work man! So happy you’re doing this. I’m gonna go next year and am def gonna look out for you to say hi and thanks for all you’ve shared!

Would love to meet you in Houston!

@@LifestyleLab_ when are you going to be in houston?

@NicoleSalha that's where the SCA expo is next year :)

Not 100% confirmed unfortunately

Thanks

Lots! It needs to be able to dial in a 58mm portafilter with a non-pressurized basket. There are around 60 total settings between the external dial, and internal burr offsets

@@LifestyleLab_ thanks. How do you think it compares to a Jura E8 ? trying to decide .

@jstones9872 drink quality is far far better than a super automatic

@@LifestyleLab_ wow that's saying a lot . Why? just curious.

Because it's using a full-sized 58mm, non pressurized portafilter, and is properly steaming the milk. Super automatics use small pressurized baskets without puck prep, and milk texture is far from latte quality, not to mention a mess to clean

Not yet

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This isn't a replacement for the current Oracle. That is still to come later

The people at the Breville booth were heavily hinting at a new dual heating Oracle on the way. I'm guessing it will be two thermojet loops, but that's speculation.

Not released yet

thats aussie dollars yes

We are paying the American price. Shame on Breville, an Australian company, for doing that.

You're right! Only a few subtle differences; 58mm portafilter, oracle steam arm, roller base, nicer screen. If you're not interested in the puck prep aspect, little reason to upgrade.

@@LifestyleLab_ I am not trained barista. Wont make a better coffee with this machine. Thanks for replay. Have a great day

Not yet!

@@LifestyleLab_ thank when you find out please tell me. Thanks again

$3525 at Amazon temporarily out of stock! I really want to buy this one 😊

@tinamei9589 that definitely isn't the correct price. The machine isn't available for sale yet, and that is more expensive than even the current Oracle Touch...

Not a whole lot, so I'm hoping the price isn't a HUGE jump. - fully automatic tamping and dosing - oracle steam arm - nicer screen - wheels in the base - more recipe options - front fill water tank - 58mm commercial portafilter

@@LifestyleLab_ interesting. I used to have the oracle and Sage said to me that the touch impress grinder was better (it’s barazta) as was the steam wand. Personally I think the impress is fantastic for an easy to use at home option, no dual boiler is rarely a pain but I understand it’s a gripe for many. That said, the milk temp sensor being in the base always seems odd to me as it’s measuring the temp of the jug, not the milk, but the results are still good. The biggest issue with the software is the extraction measurement is not that accurate and often asks for changes when none need to be made. I backflush far more often that I used too and it makes a world of difference.

@@LifestyleLab_ btw, what’s the price of Jet?

@flyboy970 I think you should be able to turn off the "suggestions" on your Touch Impress. Price point on the Jet still hasn't been announced

Keep in mind, there is a dual boiler version coming. This isn't meant to be an Oracle replacement, it's a new model in the lineup

@@LifestyleLab_ Good to know. I bought my Oracle bes980xl back in 2014, and I absolutely love it

way lower than that actually, my Barista Pro already comes with Baratza branding on the grinder

The existing Oracle and Oracle Touch are true dual boilers, but you are correct, this new lower end version is a single ThermoJet

I honestly thought the same when I had my Barista Express, but didn't realize how exhausting the process was until I got tired of it and decided to move on to the touch impress. I have zero reasons for looking back 😁

Yep, they are going into most simplification as possible. Just creating machines for either lazy people or idiots😢

Why does wanting convenience classify someone as lazy or an idiot? Very narrow-minded thinking there mate...

So I counted on going more into professional direction like La Marzocco, manual pressure or flow profiling, but they go rather for lazy people. Just turn on machine and this is all what they expect from people. As I know Lance Hedrick is working with Breville, so as a result of that work will be some more advanced machine

Again, people who just want coffee in the morning and not a new hobby rabbit hole are not lazy... they're just different than you. That's ok.

This isn't an Oracle replacement, there is still a dual heater version coming.

Will have to get one in house once they're released :)