Glad this now exists! More competition means better lenses and deals for us on a budget! I saw they have an anamorphic adapter, Im curious how that works
FPV drones are now made by DJI, cinema body anamorphic lenses now cost less than an average Sigma, what timeline is this 😅 What a great time to be a filmmaker!
Stoked that there are so many options for budget anamorphics now! Can't wait to see what the new Laowa Nanomorph Anamorphics look like in comparison to some of these other competitiors.
So good to see these companies bring out affordable anamorphic primes! Even with “the flaws” it’s still leaps and bounds access for indie filmmakers. Thanks for the overview 👍
From the GREAT JOY FAQ Compatibility of this lens with the EF mount camera Based on our current test results, the following cameras are compatible: Zcam-E2 (with built-in filters), Mavo LF, BMPCC6K, BMPCC6K Pro, BMPCC6K URAS Mini Pro, RED Monstro 8K VV, Canon SLR cameras, and Canon EF mount cine cameras, compatible with Canon original EF-RF adapter ring. Speed boosters and adapters with built-in filters or glass elements are not compatible.
Love these flares, sorry but Sirui has always bothered me. On the markings: Yusss metric! On the squeeze factor changing at minimum focus: the Sirui also has that. And that starts at 1.6 and goes more to 1.4 at minimum. So yeah the GreatJoy still wins in this regard, esp. with is minimum focus distance.
It has more to do with the method of focus, synchro focus (the method of focusing, where both anamorphic and spherical lenses focus in tandem). Focusing the anamorphic element itself changes the squeeze factor unfortunately. More info here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KXcjoSKRpYU.html
Hey Caleb! A few weeks ago the Sirui 75mm indigogo account had closed-- I rewatched your video on that lens and clicked on your link and was able to still order one at the early bird rate. So Thank You! Wow the flares look really good on the great joy! I'm only shooting RF now-- So i'm curious to find out more about the RF version of this lens. I have the 50mm and 75mm of the Sirui's but now I wish i was collecting the set of the great joy's instead. better flares and 1.8 with a crop-in makes more sense to me. also that minimum focus distance. Thanks for all you do!
It makes me all giddy when considering that the EF mount version will work for all cameras except for EF mount cameras :-) At least most of the DSLRs. It would be great if there could have been a "standard" simple mount that these third party lens makers could use and send simple dumb adapters with the lenses for all the popular mounts. So there could be just one SKU. These adapters could be attached with screws to make it a tight fit. Most customers would probably change the mount only once during the first setup so no need for elaborate mechanical designs for easy field swapping. So there would be less need for worry about the mount to use. I would prefer the mft mount now for my gh cameras and the lower price but then I would be out of luck if I buy an S5 in the future. In a way the EF mount and perhaps the PL mount here is that "universal" mount for mirrorless that I dream of. An idea that you have already embraced in one of your previous videos. Very cool lens, would love to have one but I think I 'll hold on and see if the "original" Sirui lenses will start to get even lower on the second hand market. When I can find the 50mm 1.33x for around 300$ or less the piggybank will be pillaged...
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I feel like the 1.8x to 1.6x squeeze during the focus pull would not be as big of a problem as everyone is making it out to be. For example in FCPX, couldn't you just make your timeline resolution to a custom 2.39:1 pixel ratio for whatever your resolution is, then select all your clips to Fill? Am I missing a reason why everyone is saying each individual shot would need to be adjusted?
My biggest issue with these cheaper anamorphic lenses is what you said regarding the squeeze factor changing depending on your range of focus. That's a HUGE ISSUE! If you rack from a close up subject to one far away (short film or something), then your squeeze factor is f**ked. That's such a major issue I just don't get how people can even use this lens or the sirui. I 100% understand wanting an anamorphic lens, I like most want one too, but I'm going to wait until I can afford a vazen or an atlas orion lens. Those are reliable lenses, I've used them before, they work properly. None of this changing squeeze factor bullshit
Wow, was really excited about this until the marks and changing squeeze was mentioned. Looked really solid with good mounting options… too bad, the ft marks would have been so easy to add
As of right now, I still prefer Sirui's offerings. That said, it may not be a good idea to rush into buying any of these budget anamorphics (unless you REALLY want them). There'll be even more competition at this price point in the future, meaning less settling for weird oddities in the lenses.
Wait, if the squeeze factor changes with focus distance, is it basically impossible (or at least an involved post-production fix) to rack focus in a shot? Does the image just get elongated/squished when pulling to something close? That sounds like a huge downside...
This is what they had to fix in the 1950's when they started using anamorphics. It's called the mumps. Actors had contracts stating that they wouldn't be filmed for close-ups with this kind of lens!
The squeeze seems to never be less than 1.6x, so you can still have a full 2.4:1 ratio without cropping, if you're shooting open gate 3:2. But you'd probably have to keyframe the squeeze on each shot if you do a focus pull that is close enough to shift the squeeze.
If it goes from 1.8 to 1.6 approx. when adjusting your focal distance, isn't this going to be a nightmare in post when decompressing multiple shots? I'd love your take on that, could be a deal breaker for me but then again my understanding is that this is common with anamorphics.. lmk, you da man!!
Yes, cannot imagine trying to edit that footage. Having to adjust the aspect ratio, by eye, for every shot? Great to see anamorphics reaching prices inside the stratosphere, but they have to have the basics down, and this doesn't.
Thanks for this Caleb! Any idea if this lens would be compatible with the BMPCC6K Pro? With that back element bumping out I'm a little worried that it might come into contact with the built in ND's of the 6k Pro.
What about using an ef extension tube kit, usually comes in around a 12mm, 20-25mm and 36-50mm, can use it as a spacer on an ef body to get a bit of space between the rear element and sensor
R5c... just got mine and love the flexibility. I'm assuming that's the Canon ND filter adapter? I've been putting off grabbing an anamorphic but this checks many boxes for me. Great videos sir.
From the GREAT JOY FAQ How is the compatibility of this lens with the EF mount camera? Based on our current test results, the following cameras are compatible: Zcam-E2 (with built-in filters), Mavo LF, BMPCC6K, BMPCC6K Pro, BMPCC6K URAS Mini Pro, RED Monstro 8K VV, Canon SLR cameras, and Canon EF mount cine cameras, compatible with Canon original EF-RF adapter ring. Speed boosters and adapters with built-in filters or glass elements are not compatible.
Woah - the squeeze factor changes based on focus?? Was really interested in this lens right up until that. That kind of makes it unusable for a lot of scenarios doesn't it?
No. It just means you will be constantly adjusting your desqueeze in post (depending on the focus pull and type of shot) - which is a pain in the ass. Sirui has this issue also, and from what I recall using Vazen so did they. It’s why quality anamorphics are so damn expensive. The breathing, ratio and overall quality are not easy to achieve. 😐
@@CaptainMyCaptain33 I use the Vazen 28 and 40 and don’t have this issue, as well as the Sirui 50mm FF, though I haven’t tested that nearly as much. But I’ve shot and edited dozens of professional projects with the Vazens and always pretty effortlessly just used a 1.8 pixel ratio in Resolve without de squeezing shots differently based on focus. You can see several of these projects on our channel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What budget full frame cameras shoot open gate? So that we don't get a noodle shaped aspect ratio from this squeeze lol. Sirui's 1.6x is already 2.8:1 on a 16:9 recording format.
@@dennypilot9856 haha yeah I think 1.8x is a horrible choice for a budget full frame anamorphic. The image is unusable until you cut off the sides... which at that point why buy anamorphic if you're forced to chop off the frame anyways lol.
Z cam e2 f6, Panasonic s1H You would buy this not just for wider field of view but for the anamorphic look in regard to bokeh and the subtle flares. A MUCH better option than the sirui IMO
So you knew the answer then already? If you are wanting to shoot anamorphic on a camera body that’s less than 3k. You’re better off going for sirui 1.33x apsc lenses.
i wonder if there can be an adapter that can attach to the back of the ef mount to make the "nub" more flush with the end? i suppose if it were that easy they would have done it but i wonder by it was done this way which negates so many options for lots of ppl. I got a gh6 and use a metabones speedbooster so im pretty bummed i wont be able to have this lens as an option
EF lenses tend to be heavier than their mirrorless counterparts due to the extra space required for the mirror to flip up. So making it this way likely led to a more compact/lightweight design. Think RF Lenses compared to EF equivalents. If you follow the link you'll see the RF/E/L mount equivalent lens has a normal-looking mount and is also cheaper. It's pretty safe to assume the EF was adapted to that design.
They would probably have to completely re-design the lens. This is pretty much a mirrorless lens but they cut out a chunk on the rear so that you could still mount in on EF/PL.
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How to navigate around that anamorphic desqueeze change when changing focus? That kinda feels like a deal breaker.... But from all I saw, it seems to be the only downside for me. So, if you rack focus you need to change the horizontal zoom at the same time to compensate?
Hello Caleb, thanks for all your great videos. I am shooting video outdoors and as soon as the sun comes out, my 90 D does not adjust. I want the aperture to stay open and change the shutter speed. But this Av-Shooting is not possible. I have a variable ND filter, but no assistant who could operate it. It s so annoying. Am I just using the wrong camera and a Panasonic could do that for me (like change the shutter speed to keep exposure equal)?
Someone posted from their FAQ: Compatibility of this lens with the EF mount camera Based on our current test results, the following cameras are compatible: Zcam-E2 (with built-in filters), Mavo LF, BMPCC6K, BMPCC6K Pro, BMPCC6K URAS Mini Pro, RED Monstro 8K VV, Canon SLR cameras, and Canon EF mount cine cameras, compatible with Canon original EF-RF adapter ring. Speed boosters and adapters with built-in filters or glass elements are not compatible.
Hmmmm. So weird. Based on some of those cameras it should work with the Red epic dragon. I was just curious if you had tried it with your red scarlet you bought. I know you got the ef version of the lens. I’ve got the pl Mount ordered. Guess I’ll find out eventually 🤷♂️ Thanks
Agree completely. The changing squeeze factor is a complete deal killer. Imagine having to edit that footage. Constantly having to eyeball and adjust the aspect ratio?! Editing cinematic footage is hard enough without that layer of hell applied on top.
Could you pleas HELP me? I notice how you voice sounds so crystal clear even with the mic a little far. I have a NTG4 and if I put the mic at that distance I get a hollow voice but yours sounds as if the mic is right over your mouth. Could you tell me how you do that?
The fact that it's called great joy just gives me new york cheap gift shop vibes lol I feel like I'm buying a toy from one of those cheap toy stores in new york😆
Having bought the 60mm with adapter that fist came out, I feel a bit robbed...60mm was always a bit funny, then you have the huge adapter that adds weight...And now you get everything you wanted in a single, much smaller lens. Annoyed! Does it vignette less up close than the adapter version? I looks like they've improved that too.
It was my understanding that you need a RF version for an RF mount? If one is using the Canon R5 and not the C, you can use the EF version of this lens?
From the FAQ: How is the compatibility of this lens with the EF mount camera? Based on our current test results, the following cameras are compatible: Zcam-E2 (with built-in filters), Mavo LF, BMPCC6K, BMPCC6K Pro, BMPCC6K URAS Mini Pro, RED Monstro 8K VV, Canon SLR cameras, and Canon EF mount cine cameras, compatible with Canon original EF-RF adapter ring. Speed boosters and adapters with built-in filters or glass elements are not compatible.
It’s pretty frustrating these days that these varying products don’t work on all cameras. All of these lens manufactures would benefit far more from making their products adaptable in all ways, to any camera mount. Why would I even wanna watch this video after 15 seconds knowing that it’s not going to work on my Lumix S1. And that bums me out because I really want a good anamorphic lens now after the firmware update.
One huge CON that you missed is the NAME... how could you possibly rock up to a shoot and expect the rest of the crew to take you seriously with a lens called "great joy"? Jokes aside (kind of), it seems like a really cool lens. Sadly I doubt it'll fit on a Metabones EF to MFT speed booster. Cheers
I feel the same exact way. It’s a horrible name. Sounds like a Japanese rice candy. And there is no way that huge nipple will fit a Metabones Speedbooster. You can’t even adapt EFS with its tiny little protrusion over a std EF to one. You will only scratch the glass trying it. Relax and have a great joy.
