I bought your book although I am knowledgeable about tilt/shift lenses as well as large format photography. I would like to congratulate you on your book - it is written with a lot of dedication for users who want to deal more intensively with this type of photography. Very well done!!!
Excellent, thanks Keith. Technical / medical photographer here with a background in scientific photography and it's nice to see some more technical content on RU-vid. Subscribed!
Canon could implement autofocus by letting the user choose two focus points and then the camera calculating the necessary settings to have both of them in focus. Fine tuning could be done by hand again with focus peaking on the display. But I,m curious to see how they will actually do it…
You need three points to define a focal plane, not two. But broadly speaking, yes - this is how it can be done (and is done on the CAPcam that I mention in my earlier comment). If Canon are going to automate this, they will need to automate it *exactly*. It is not going to be feasible to have the end user manually “fine tune” by hand both the focus and tilt. Selection of the three points that define the plane though, yes.
With my two focus points, I had assumed that the lenses would not also rotate automatically and motor driven. But I'm happy to be positively surprised by Canon!
If they implemented motorized shift I'd use it daily for arch and interiors. Interesting they went with the tilt instead but your explanation helped me understand a bit more.
Providing the plane of focus is not very complicated on a touch screen. They can let us "trace" out the plane of focus (on a touch screen) or ask us to "select" the objects that need to be in focus. They can easily work out the tilt needed for that and move elements internally or tilt the lens., We may have to readjust the composition. Some selections may not be workable - they can say so and allow manual tilt (and shift) to give us the freedom (which may not work). But they will not be able to automagically do the "diagonal" look that you explain so well. Tricky moving parts - conceptually not very difficult. They are after all formula driven. Som estimation of distance is also needed. But "technically" easy.
Thanks - my suspicion is that the hardest part will be the design of the 'user interface' - well actually, the hardest part will be getting photographers to properly understand what is going on ;-)
That's a new one on me - the one I have does not. Nor does this listing at Canon www.canon.co.uk/lenses/ts-e-17mm-f-4l-lens/accessories.html The TS-E24 takes an EW88B lens hood Do you have a Canon reference to the one for the TS-E17? I'd add it to my main written TS-E17 review
I shoot luxury interiors and a 14mm TS with AF would be an incredible option especially in interior bathrooms with mirrors especially if shooting flambient .If it makes my life easier all the better
Tilt/shift lenses are fascinating. I've never seen one, much less use one, but, I may have to splurge if Canon fields an Rf version. Then I'll also buy your book! Hopefully, the printer folks at Canon will have a word with the lens folks and bring you in on it.
Keith - are you familiar with the CAPcam? It’s a beast of a camera designed around a Stewart Platform that provides motorised focus, shift, and tilt. I used one for many years (still have it in fact), and if you check out the software used to control it, you might get some useful insight into how a UI for these new lenses (if they do indeed have motorised tilt) might work.
@@KeithCooper I don’t have mine set up at the moment (I tend to just shoot video these days), but if you ever want to have a chat just let me know - happy to talk you through it. It’s not exactly intuitive until you’ve spent many hours working with one! But once you get your head around what it does and how it does it, you’ll never look back!
That would be very interesting. I'm collecting info/testing for potential updates to the tilt/shift book at some point - if you wanted to drop me an email at Northlight I'd love to know more about how it works.
Thanks for such detailed video. There could be a simple way how to use those new TS-R autofocus lenses by using the autofocus to focus somewhere in the middle of the scene and then use the motorised tilt function to tilt downwards till the foreground becomes in focus. In such a case the lens will archive a complete front-to-back focus. Any thoughts? Btw, I can’t tell Canon Australia about your book but I ordered a copy for myself 😊
Thanks Unfortunately the combination of tilt and the focus setting doesn't quite work that way. With the lens set at infinity, tilt would be set to match the height of the camera above ground for the FP to run along the ground. Tilt and focus ring setting act together - the focus scale quickly loses a direct connection with distance. I do have some videos looking at tilt and using it if you're curious
@@KeithCooper, thank you for replying. Marcus from Online Photography makes focusing with a tilt lens, such a difficult and rather confusing subject, very simple. His advice is to focus somewhere close to the middle of the scene (not infinity) and then tilt the lens slowly till the foreground become in focus as well. The Online Photography has a RU-vid video about this subject. I’ve tried his simple method with my Canon TS-E 24mm f/3.5L II Tilt & Shift Lens and now I can achieve back-to-front focus. I will watch the videos you advised (thank you) and can’t wait to read your book.
Thanks - his technique works for some specific cases, but is not a general solution to placing the focal plane exactly where you want it I've two methods depending on distance to the subject - if you've any questions, feel free to email me at Northlight, since I'm always looking for ways of making better explanations!
I have a Nikon 24mmPC. And 14mm is too wide for me. Maybe I will get a used 19mmPC if I need it. I’m not using the 24mmPC allot, but I often use the 45mmPC. I don’t use my 85mmPC often because it a little too long for my art and Woodland photo. I used it on open fields and wetlands if I need a sharp foreground. I like your book but it need time to get through.
@@KeithCooper That will be a nice read. Hopfully you will coment on Fuji GFX coming TS lens also. I will not go to the Zed system. I stay in the F-system but I thinking on getting a GFX camera for my old MF lenses.
@@KeithCooper Correction I used 85mm PC on 135 analogue cameras and the 45mm PC-E on a DX D300 camera and that is as 67mm on a FF so I think the 85mm PC will be used more on my D700 and D800E cameras. The 85mm PC is old; hopefully it will work on a digital camera without to much reflection from the sensor. I will not upgrade it because of little use in my current photography, I maybe use it as a macro lens when/if I start an old infra structure portfolio. I used the Nikon 60mm F2.8 G macro for that on the DX D300 and that is close to the 85mm on FF....
@@KeithCoopersadly nothing on the Nikon roadmap at all for Z PC-E lenses, so I suspect Nikon Z Tilt shift lenses are a good 5-10 years away. Plus they have discontinued the 24mm and 85mm PC-E already, with no sign of any replacements. With Canon RF being imminent, Nikon are going to lose tilt shift market share.
Share this video to Canon UK and Canon Australia. I think the latter is more likely to respond. I won't be using the TS-R lenses, I expect to not buy any Canon R series cameras. _I_ think you should try the TS-E lenses on a Lumix S1R or even Sony 7R V. You will get the full range of movement and more pixels.
Thanks I have a detailed review which includes using TS-E lenses on an S1R ;-) www.northlight-images.co.uk/using-the-panasonic-s1r/ One other slight issue with your suggestion is that I don't have either of those cameras here to test, and last night's lottery numbers didn't come up :-)
