New Crisis Suits!? | T'au Empire Tactics | 10th Edition 

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That is brilliant!

That would be epic!!! Do it!

Facts

DANG!!!

you realize thats almost 300 points to kill 115 points right?

@@NosightTacticsyeah but they still went on to do other stuff. Worth it given it hadn’t dropped off the dudes inside and preventing them from getting further up the board worked out well in the end, was on track for a tabling.

And they can do the same against most Vehicles and Monsters(as they almost all require 5+ to wound). Full reroll to Wound AND damage rolls, is nasty on such a mobile platform. And if you can get within melta range, even things with "half damage" abilities, like Redemptor Dreadnoughts, Avatar of Khaine and C'tans, goes down due to how damage is calculated(you half the damage roll, but then add the melta damage bonus at the end). If you guide them with either Lethal or Sustained Hits(or both), they can cook just about anything. I do think that any commander should still bring a Cyclic Ion Blaster. It is still a great, versatile weapon, and it can now benefit from the special rules of the bodyguard unit(if in Sunforge, reroll wounds against Vehicles and Monsters). It helps if forced to shoot at infantry compared to having "yet another Fusion Blaster". Same with the High-Output Burst Cannon of the Coldstar Commander. Give it that, and the CIB, along with 2 Fusion Blasters, then join a unit of Sunforge, and you can take out most targets with a mix of high AP/damage shots and a bit of volume fire. All that said, we have to see if the upcoming points update change anything in any major way.

@@fendelphiI will say the strength 9 is a bit eh by itself given many vehicles are T10+. But paired with the retaliation cadre, which I was using this game, it does work well. A CIB for some anti infantry is a good suggestion which I’ll keep in mind, in this game I played, with votann infantry being reasonably tough and not very numerous , it actually worked alright with the full fusion setup. But for something with a lot more squishy/horde units, your suggestion seems an effective counter

True True

I can't really argue with that

Thanks! And yeah using more weapons is way better than how it was. They certainly could have changed the cyclic ion blasters better than just getting rid of them all together.

Yeah getting their range completely shortened doesn't mesh well with the missile pods

They definitely need "something". I think the reason why they reduced the range was to make Missile Pods come more into their own as the "obvious long range" option, but it also made the Plasma Rifle weaker overall. The Fireknife Special Rule can be quite powerful though, and I think the potential of Rapid Fire Plasma Rifles would be very deadly on full rerolls to hit if they also have Sustained Hits and Lethal(Mont'ka detachment with the Sustained Hits spotter enhancement). Maybe Rapid Fire should be part of the unit ability, or even replace the current unit ability? Something along with "All weapons of this unit have Rapid Fire 1." This would give Plasma Rifles Rapid Fire 1 within 9" and Missile Pods within 15". Any Commander in the unit can also add Rapid Fire 1 to any of their weapons. It would be very strong, but also kind of fits with the "most expensive Crisis Team" when you consider the lack of durability(when compared to the Sunforge Team). A fragile knife made of pure fire. And unlike its current ability, it does not feel redundant when being guided by Stealth Teams, Tetras or while within the Aura of Commander Shadowsun. Damage 3 is a great profile as well. About the average of a D6 damage roll, but more consistent(less overkill or underkill against most elite infantry), and it becomes damage 2 against units with "halves the damage"-abilities.

Agreed

That is horrible! I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope wherever you play the people are pretty chill and don't care or let you say they're one of the three new datasheets you want to play them as. I hope GW brings the eight in data sheet form for your sake

Agreed

Now I cannot promise you victory but I can promise some fun unorthodox tactics. If there's any video you want that you think will help you let me know

Yeah... you could with anything other than the sunforge but not of one weapon. The weapon load out would have to be mis matched. Pretty dumb

Thanks! You've got good taste!

Sa'cea Sept ftw!!! I'm working on a thunderhawk blue scheme

Sounds Epic!

Couldn't agree more

Then again, you probably wouldnt want to take too many CIBs on commanders now anyway. They cant pass on any of the Hazardous wounds they might take, which means you could very quickly be losing your leader with a few unlucky rolls.

​@@fendelphiThe damage output was so good with CIBs that I ran 2 Quad CIB Enforcers on their own in the index as excellent deepstrike options. The issue was always that even with hazardous the CIB clearly outclassed the other weapons. Partially an issue with GW not wanting to give different points for wargear.

Yeah fusion spam might be the future. But I have a feeling the flamers will be right up there with them. Sadly the missile pods and plasma rifles might not be used much this edition

Starscythes have been the real MVPs in the 3 games I've played with them so far, Fusions are good but not as versatile, and you can throw Cyclic and 3 Missiles on the Starscythe leader for some pretty dang good elite busting

​@CommanderNearsight been trying out missle pods with retaliation. Lead with farsight, within 12" your strength 8, and free sustained hits into any early game blobs is pretty good. With full rerolls to hit as well. Had a squad wipe a yvraine troop squad pretty early because of it.

Dang! very impressive! Looks like the missile pods are back as the poor man's cyclic ion blaster!

​@@CommanderNearsightIn Mont'ka which aids mobility the Missilesides compete very well against Missile Crisis suits with a commander. The Missilesides gets rerolls to wound all the time compared to rerolls to hit of the crisis team in only certain circumstances. Either a tetra or a stratagem can give the Missilesides rerolls to hit on top of their twin linked. Commander plus missile crisis gets 20 missile shots and 6 gun drone shots. Missilesides get 18 missile shots, 12 SMS shots, 10 missile drone shots and 2 gun drone shots. Although it's at a worse accuracy most of the Missilesides firepower is twin linked and it's 42 shots for the Missilesides against 26 for the commander with missile crisis.

Yeah you've got a good point there

I don't know. I'm afraid of yelling into a mic I guess. I'll talk louder next time and let me know if it improves. I usually listen to things on low volume though so it might just be me being quiet and listening to things quietly so I can't tell much difference

I suppose good sir that I am a foolish tau player. I have never magnetized but on the upside I never had Cyclics either. Any good tips for magnets to use? Would love to get into it for my suits to be more versatile.

@@CommanderNearsight 2x2mm neodynium magnets.

Thank you!

@@CommanderNearsight sorry didnt want to sound arogant its just unfortunately inevitable part of tau hobby. I magnetize everything on tau. I didnt even drill the holes just find magnets that will fit that existing hole on hand an then chip of that small thing on weapon and replace it with magnet and tou are done.

Don't worry about it man. I figured it was in good faith and helping others with the hobby. That's why I asked for magnet help since I've never done it. And cool I didn't know doing magnets would be that easy!

Yeah you've got a good point. Shape the space pope couldn't be here to see us serve our penance

In my defense I was on a pure infantry kick at the time so I am not guilty of such things

I can't argue with you

That's really rough. I'm sorry to hear that

@@CommanderNearsight It's all good. I planned to play Kroot. I got bunch of boxes for $50off. And sold Codexes/cards for $40-50. Have been wanting to play Horde Tau for a long time.

That's awesome! I'm planning on doing sure infantry T'au myself

@@CommanderNearsight Hunting Pack is the most Competitive and Meta changing. Having two 12in anti-deployment bubble, will be so strong. Plus having up to 9 lone operatives, with 180 Kroot (and 2CP respawn) is abusive. (Lone Spear, Ghostkeels and Marksman)

You're speaking my language! But I don't know who has the money for 180 new kroot. (Though I would like that because I want pure infantry and 180 kroot would be ideal for that)