New EK Radiators and Fans | When should you use Thick vs Thin Radiator? 

"There were no temp comparisons!" Yeah, thats because I explained to you the ideology, no different than when I explained FPI, fan RPM, Static pressure or fluid types. So with that, take it or leave it.

Fractal: Jay we need you to do a ad. Jay: Okay what for? Fractal: Our new small case. Since its small make it sexual. Jay: Way ahead of you.

Another thing to point out is the extra resistance thicker radiators pose on air flow. If you are using a thicker rad over your intake, a push/pull config is recommended to help achieve positive air pressure in your case.

I've been building PC's for 20 years and just now getting into water cooling. All your videos are extremely informative, professional and educational. Thank you I appreciate it.

I know it would take alot of time but would be awesome to see benchmarks comparing these two radiators

The thicker the RAD the more static pressure is required to pass through the RAD. This was explained to me by EK as I was intending on a thicker RAD but I wanted a quiet case.

Thicker rads have a few advantages over thin ones that you did not bring up. 1: Wider channels give less resistance to water flow so water will get from the hot components to the rad faster. The pump will also not have to work as hard. 2: Thicker rads tend to have fins spaced farther apart than thin rads. You can push the same CFM through a thick rad using a lower RPM fan which lowers noise. I'd say the best rad to get is the longest and thickest your case will take.

I just added an EK 360 slim with a thicker EK 240MM. I use the 360 slim in the front of the Lian Li lancool 2 mesh and the 240MM up top.

thanks for using Millimeters Jay ;)

Jay, please test the 252.8 CFM 120mm Delta fan. I think lots of people would like to see what it can do both with fan control and with out.

ive found that whether thick or thin it didnt matter. However with the thicker radiators i could use a much lower RPM on the fans for a lot quieter operation.

jay z says the right, a thinner radiator also allows air to cross it more quickly and cool, but only if it is at least one 3x120mm radiator.

I'm currently running one of EK's CoolStream XE 360 rads (64mm thick, part of the EK Kit X360) for my rig (3770K @ 4.2-4.5GHz + 6GB GTX780) as it was the largest length-wise rad that'd fit in the mini-ITX portion of my HAF Stacker 935. Res laying down in the roof, feeding down to the pump mounted on a 120mm fan over the rear-I/O, which then feeds down to the GTX780's block that feeds up to the CPU block (yes, I've got pre-warmed coolant going into the CPU from the GPU, was the least-worst option I had), then from the CPU up into the rad's upper-fitting, then rad's lower fitting back into the res. I tried to let gravity do most of the feeding as I could, such as between the res/pump, pump/GPU & inside the rad. If I had to build a new system with a loop from the get-go in another HAF Stacker 935, I might consider doing a few things differently such as maybe having a 120mm rad between GPU & CPU (whichever way I fed the system)and making sure to have a draining port as low in the loop as possible - even if it meant having to use a T-joint with the drain valve mounted there between the pump and GPU block or otherwise have the drain valve mounted on the underside of the GPU block.

That thick rad can be use as car turbo intercooler or transmission cooler already:) Nowadays market of PC are over doing stuff and overpriced"_" like a pc water cooling soft tube vs a backyard water tube vs domestic water tube vs a car Teflon Tube big price different :)

in open case rig, what radiator is better 480x20 vs 480x60 ? Thank you. Very informative videos.

Jayz, you keep advertising the Node 202 but I can't find it anywhere.

Do I want thicker or thinner rads if my goal is to make it as quiet as possible, even under load? On the one hand the thicker rad would dissipate more heat, but on the other hand I would imagine it would require higher fan speeds to push through?

I love the video Jay, but you have all the stuff, can you get some data to back up your claims?

Every single ad should be as good as the ones you have Jay XD I'm tired of people asking if I'm in good hands...

Another great video, this one helped me a lot. I have the Mercury S8 case and I'm going to run two 360 mm radiators on top for video cards. Another loop on the flex bay with one 280 mm radiator but this one will be thick since I have less surface area to work with. The dual 360 mm radiator is for SLI video cards and the single 280 mm is for CPU/Mobo/Voltage.

After I buy Arctic Rev. 2's for a white/blue build; EK comes out with white Vardars. -_-. GG, EK. I wouldn't have seen these otherwise, thanks for sharing man!

Could you do a video on RAM and Motherboard water cooling, installation, cost vs performance, benifits and drawbacks, etc.

I had room only for 240mm rad so i got myself 45mm thick (for Zalman Z11). Some custom mods were needed but at the end of the day, if it fits it sits :D

major water cooling question that your experience can hopefully answer, if not quantify: radiators usually are marketed with a max heat dissipation value in watts. however, even 30mm 240s are often quoted as handling upwards of 700 watts. while this clearly will depend on fans, fan speed, placement, etc., is there any reasonable multiplier we can use to guesstimate the actual dissipation of a rad vs its stated value?

That Fractal Design Ad:D Good video as allways Jay! Keep it up!

You could do another ad for your intro using these rads. Keep up awesome vids Jay, learning loads before attempt first water build. Really appreciate your time taken to share your experience.

love your vids Jay like always

i really like the gamerstorm fans i find perform similarly... but with rubber mounts, multiple colors... which i like alot.. 0.18amps as well!

Getting in shape, looking well!

Nice that a video from 2015 can answer my questions

Tuesday in Australia. You did it man!

Still love that ad in the beginning >.< thanks jay!

Dat Elvis voice.

I want to buy a watercooling of EKWB. In my case (Be Quiet silent base 800) fits a 280mm radiator. Are the EKWB fan s quiet?

Expected more discussion on thin vs thick with same length, rather than thin long vs thick short...and what difference to expect.

i got EKWB's 360-X watercooling kit (+ some extra) i got my motherboard, CPU and GPU conected to the watercooling.

You Videos have helped heaps with designing a custom water loop keep up the good work :)

Jay turning in to a silver fox!

i picked up an EK PE 480mm rad that's only 38mm thick because that's the best thing my local computer store had. i thought it wouldn't be enough for my system. i have a 5930k @ 4.9GHz and an Asus Strix GTX 980 Ti @ 1520MHz core, 8000MHz memory. well... turned out i was wrong. neither the GPU or CPU ever pass 45*C when gaming or benching. i'm blown away.

So is better longer than thicker if the case support it. Thanks. I am making the list for my personal Xmas gift. The fitting I will ordered in the end

I have to pick some other ram sticks, I have to put in some fan cables and the RAM before attaching the top radiator. The RAM will be behind the 240' radiator fans. I would have to sacrifice radiator height and buy low fans. some 32,5mm high ram are already pushing into the rubber shroud Alphacool Susurro. I hope I won't have to put the ram in and out often, because I would have to drain coolant each time. I stick to 25mm+25mm so far (unfinished build). Fractal Design Focus G.

What about using push pull fans on both sides of a smaller rad vs just fans on one side of a thicker guy?

***** I'd like to see a video on reservoirs. Size recommendations, types, mounting, and pump placement with respect to the reservoir. This would really help round out the water cooling tips of late.

Phew. I thought it was a bad choice to get the Kelvin S36 for my H440... Although I now have slightly negative pressure with 4 exhaust and 3 intake

Hi. Would a combination of thin rads sandwiched together with fans between them make sence instead of one thick fan? 3x 120mm fans + 360x30mm rad + 3x 120mm fans + 360x30mm rad + 3x 120mm fans All in a push/pull config. I have never seen someone do something like that before, and it could probably be a good reason for that. Would a config like that perform better than a 360x60mm thick rad with push/pull fans? Most PC cases do not have the space required for something like that, as the total depth of the radiator combination would be aprox. 135mm. But I think the concept is interesting. Aircooled CPU solutions do offer something similar: fan + heatsink + fan + heatsink + fan, and they perform very good. Looking forward to your thoughts. Thnx

***** I would have loved to see graphs of actual temp differences between different thicknesses and sizes of rads (i.e. 240x30mm vs 360x30mm vs 240x45mm vs 360x45mm). I know thats a lot of work, but as i am about to order my cooling components this would have been sooo helpful since i can even mount a alphacool moster rad at the top. I will go with 30mm or 45mm on the top for esthetics (two times 240x30mm in front plus one 280x30mm on top in total which is overkill anyways)

hmmm jays hair looks more like a veloceraptors feather line....but in his more recent videos it reminds me more of a peacock where its more style and fancy.

I am wondering what brand radiator I want to go with. I am deciding between EK, Alphacool and Black Ice.

I know it would have taken a lot of work but it would have been interesting if you had done a performance test showing the trade-offs and which fan mounting solution is best for each radiator (ie dual fan for thick vs single etc. etc.)

OMG, your product pitches! Lol "Mines not that small." Chuckle

I think it is linear... 120 thin vs 120 thick... guess who cools better? 120 vs 360? 120 thin vs 360 thick? Hoping you give numbers to help us since you have all the rads... thanks...

Jayz, have you ever tried out any of the chinese brand parts? or closed loop coolers? have you ever heard of "BYKSKI" water cooling (custom loop components and blocks)... or aardwolf (closed loop systems)? Thanks! if you ever need any help getting parts from china, you can drop me a line and im glad to help out - your reviews teach a lot ! Thanks again!

What test bed do you use?? Awesome vid as always, thanks for the kick ass content!

this video might be useful for me, I am thinking about upgrading to a merlin SM8 case and getting a 480mm radiator with high FPI ( maybe ) and relatively thick ( maybe ). Thing is my room is something like 2 metres by 2.5 and I will struggle to fit a large case between the desk and the wall. I only like the caselabs ones though that are like 28.5cm wide rather than the 900d and phanteks which are more like 25cm

that node 202 ad needs to be the commercial makes me laugh so hard every time

I'm familiar with that because of dealing with cars, cuz thermal physics applies to everything. ;)

is it ok to put rad in the front pulling air in or should i di it pushing air out i have 240 in the top pushing air out on a 750d thanks love your channel

Hey Jay, I scratched the window of my Corsair 730t, and I wondering if you have any ideas as too how to repair/replace the window panel.

What static pressure rating is considered high? is 1-3 mm/H2O considered low?

Jay, if I am installing two radiators, should I put the both in succession or perhaps one before the pump and one after?

Great video, practical and helpful.

Thank you for the video. I watched the recap section without sound and laughed out loud. Those gestures are pretty funny without your voice. Thanks again for your informative video. with your videos I am now enough confident to build my own costume loop.

EKWB Coolstream XE 360x60mm rad is 111mm Thick in push pull :-D

If RX480 from ASUS in Strix version will not be overexpensive over other custom RX480 i'll connect two 140mm Vardars to 4 pin headers to cool my rig when gaming

me in my danger den 3X 360 rad case i got infinite room for thickness thats why i got a 80 mill thick 360 alphacool rad in there in push pull but to be honest i did a little mod to the case i cut down the small bars of the fan holes were the rad is and i put the fan on the back side of the case

with a Corsair 7000D, 360 thick rad on top, thinner 480 in front, this scenario should fit with proper placement; or 2x thin 420s?

Well done and presented. I think I understand it now. A sincere thank you Jay.

How about if you had the space for the thick but instead you "stacked" two thin radiators with a set of fans in between the stack.

I am building my first liquid cooled computer. I am using a Fractal Design Define S , AMD 9590FX processor, Asus Sabertooth 990fx r3.0 motherboard, and a 1050 ti graphics card. I plan on liquid cooling the cpu, as I know that the 9590 runs pretty hot. The define S can fit a 420mm radiator in the top. Would this offer better cooling as opposed to a 360mm rad, and would it be enough to expand the loop to include the graphics card in the future. Do you have any recommendations? Thanks and I love your videos!

Hay *****, you said here that the fans on the radiator should be exhausting rather then in taking air. I imagine that you say this because the radiator would be expelling hot air into the case rather then getting it out of the case but I also remember you saying on a different video that the difference in water temps at the start and end of the loop do not differ by much (if my memory is serving me well this time). So would it be that bad if the radiators are in taking air into the case?

I got a NZXT s340 case with a i7 6700K CPU and 2x EVGA 1080 FTWs and under big load they reach up to 75 degrees Celsius with 80% fan speed. I wonder if 1x 240mm EKWB SE (slim) radiator in the front and a 120mm SE radiator in the back will cool down enough for my 2 1080s clocked at about 1900-2000MHz and my i7 6700K clocked at 4300MHz. (I plan to use the 120mm VARDAR ER fans btw)

Just got the 360 ek xe rad for my sm8 build. I really like the rad. I want to get there fans next or the nb eloops. The eloops our so nice looking

Is there a "general rule of thumb" when it comes to the order of your loop? I'm going to build my first custom loop next week and was curious as to the order of the components. I'll be using a define S case with an Asus Formula IX with the vrm block and a GPU block. For the radiators i'll be installing a 360 up top and a 240 at the front. I'm torn between either running Res/Pump>GPU>VRM>360RAD>CPU>240RAD>Res/Pump or Res/Pump>CPU>VRM>360RAD>GPU>240RAD>Res/Pump This will be with a delid 7700K overclocked to 5ghz and an overclocked 1080ti

There's a bunch of reviews on thick vs thin radiators on overclock.net.forum. Thick rads don't cool any better then thin rads. But the difference is can run fans at a much lower fan Speed.

I haven't seen many videos on Motherboard water blocks Jay, could you do a video about them please?

To get this right, If I have plenty of room (Corsair 900D) for a 360RAD I should go with a thick instead of a thin considering fans and all ... right ?

Now, when you say "...in this case", do you mean the situation or the enclosure??

I like 45 MM. Seems to be a good balance and fits in most cases.

What about different type of fans and their fan speeds? I am curious wether I can use slow speed fans on thick rad vs high speed fans op thin rad and how that compares. My question basically is: How do I get the most cooling performance out of the type of the rad with a certain fan type (and speed)? I hope you can elaborate on that! :)

Are they same? I been thinking to mount it so two together with a set of fans to blow through both as one

No temp benchmarks between both thicknesses? C'mon *****

jay, you should try to fit both those rads into define s...

***** Would it be worth doing a pair of thins with a fan in the middle if the space was available? i.e air in => thin rad => fans => thin rad ==> air out Or even the above example with an extra fan in push or pull on the outside.

The case I have comes fitted with a 3x140 rail but I can buy a 4x120 rail... My question is... for a CPU loop only ( ASUS R6E Monoblock ) cooling a 7980XE should I go with a 420 with 28 mm thickness or a 480 with 28 mm thickness and buy the new rail?

Hi Jay. Have you considered having Barnacules 3D print you some product display stands?

The thing I dont understand though is, for two raditators the same size, one with high FPI and low thickness and the other with high thickness and low FPI, which one is better ? any disadvantage to finding high fpi radiators and using them ?

“The Thickness” -Jay

The node 202 ad hurts my brain I want to buy it but oh nooooo it's never coming out

as Always Jay you give the best info on watercooling, Thank's

How much is the capacity (Wattage) of those radiators (slim-28mm, medium-38mm and large-60mm)?

Jay a lot of people on the internet are saying that the fx 8350 will bottleneck high end gpu's in sli could you do a video about that?

Well damn you answered some pondering questions I had about my setup. I have notice my water level dropping but couldn't find a leak, and my Alphacool XT45 Triple 120 makes squirting water noises could that be those air pockets?

Hi could it make sense to put a fan on both sides of the rad to increase air flow?

But doesn't 30mm rads need static pressure fans, while a bit thicker ones don't really need it.

we need some sort of tests and database for these radiators just like we have for graphics cards and processors!

Hey, JayzTwoCents! Could you please do a video testing out the Intel ComputeStick?

Jay your a mind reader that is my exact question at the moment. Don't worry your its Tuesday here in Australia

I have space for triple 120 or dual 140mm rads. Would you recommend a 280 or a 360mm radiator?

Thicker rads will give less turbulence as compared to thinner rads because of lower fin density and providing the same surface area.

Awesome educational as always :)