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Exactly… like, just because there’s no _documented_ history doesn’t mean there’s no history… still can’t believe the innocence project took this case on. 🙄
Side note - thank you for covering some/more criminal cases! I know you started with pop culture/civil and originally didn't want to cover criminal cases or become a "true crime" commentator, but I love your approach. Being a former DA, you offer a perspective most legal commentators can't, backed by a lot of experience. And your approach to the heavy topics is appreciated. No sensationalizing, no pandering to social media.
i ike a mix. Some of the pop culture is interesting enough, other stuff (like Scandaval) I couldn't care less about. But I love criminal coverage so i appreciate that EDB has thrown it in the mix and covers gavel to gavel for trials when they happen :)@@mrsgarcia4391
Laci was a beautiful human being. Not just physically. I knew her in HS, and even as a teen she was absolutely lovely - genuinely kind, funny, bubbly, and so sweet. Her personality was magnetic, and her smile lit up her entire face. When I first learned of her murder, I felt like a true light in our world had been stolen, because the world was a better place with Laci in it. I hate this. I hate that Laci’s family are being dragged through this again. I believe Scott is guilty AF, and should never walk free again. I pray Laci and Conner rest in peace. ❤
@@Filthy_Larry I don’t care what you’ve HEARD. I knew Laci. She was my friend. I know what I experienced. And even suggesting otherwise to someone about a murdered friend is absolutely revolting.
@@Filthy_Larry are you saying if someone is verbally rude they deserve to be murdered? And who did you hear that from? Bet that originated with her murderer. Did you know Laci personally? I doubt it.
If he had done what he did in 2003, he would have got away with it. Neighbours cameras showed that Shannan and girls didn't leave the house. If no cameras, he could have continued to deny. No smartphones to find evidence of his affair. And if he never confessed, nobody would have known. Unless they found the bodies later at his workplace... but yeah, he could have got away with it. It's scary
@@KitKatSukiKat The innocence project is a JOKE. Every single criminal they parade around in the media has been hands down guilty. Some of whom have murd ered small children. Brutally. The founder starts his activism with OJ Simpson. They are a giant scam. They drudge up more pain for victims and parade guilty people around like martyrs all so they can elicit distrust in the justice system. They are anti-death penalty advocates and many of the people involved are prison abolitionists. They aren’t about “innocence” That’s just good propaganda in their name. They are explicitly advocates for the guilty, they just believe that monsters deserve to be released into the communities they have already terrorized so they can go terrorize more people again. They don’t believe in life sentences or the DP. They want to give the worst kinds of criminals freedom. They are a gross organization.
I remember when watching this unfold how the layers were peeled back and how much i learned about what a sociopathic man looks like. This and Mark Hackings murder of his wife. The facade cannot be distirbed without dangerous consequences.
In my state Christopher Longo killed his wife and three young children the year before iirc, and he actually escaped to Mexico where he pretended to be a famous journalist for awhile before being identified and captured and taken back to Oregon. When Laci was murdered is was like the Longo case all over again
Please keep covering this case!! I remember following the original case and my heart breaks for Laci’s family that they have to go thru this again. My cousin was killed by a serial killer & it took more than 20 years for him to be executed. It was so hard on my Aunt. She was never the same. I pray this gets resolved quickly.
Dang. You don't hear that often, where you know or are related to someone that was tragically "ended" and the person actually be executed, considering how not often they do them. I'm so sorry your family had to go through that...
He will never be killed and the appeals will never end haha... So not likely ever gonna be over, even though its no longer death penalty. He was never getting killed in California. Mark Geragos that was his attorney! Anyways Peterson is guilty as hell. Innocence project making itself look blind is not a good look just to take every case. This case has no questions.
@@RichardFitzwell-n3s wrongfully convicted lol... Their "evidence" for a new trial is garbage lol. Truly. This was one of the easiest cases ever to solve. He acted like such a piece of shit after he killed her. He would stand off to the side by himself at the vigiles and searches. He never gave a fuck abt her and wanted his single life and pretend he doesnt have a kid. This is totally how murderers act when a kids coming... Cause thats really the end of your life.... And he did it in the 8th month cause he didnt wanna face killing a kid directly, so he just killed her and let it die as well. Were you an OJ juror? Lol
I live in Bay Area, he had a lot red flags in my mind. Cash, disguise, brother's drivers license driving to Mexico border where he was apprehended. Showed up at a separate east bay boat launch area when police launched search and found her and baby but he said he didn't know they were there looking that day. Left as soon as he heard news police found her in the bay... lots of weird stuff going on with him. Cement blocks found in his boat..His demeanor was weird...I don't know. He got death penalty but CA stopped death penalty here sooo.. I think he did it but my opinion is just that. Sad case
We didn't stop the death penalty, Governor Newsom put a moratorium on executions, that can/will be lifted with the election of a new governor. They can choose to extend the moratorium or lift it completely.
He did it I went to the trial several days and I had a golden retriever they are wonderful dogs but if you mess with their mama or daddy or child they will go for blood.
This is just traumatizing the parents and siblings more. Which I’m sure Scott is okay with. Looking objectively he’s guilty.he was on his way to run when he was arrested. With a map to Ambers workplace. Let Laci and Connor rest.
Yeah I think Amber is lucky he was arrested before he could make it to her house tbh. I think he was going to try and convince her to run with him and if she refused, she would have met the same fate as Laci and Connor. 😤😔
You are not looking at it objectively if I thought I was gonna be arrested and was innocent I would want to stop that from happening. The media decided his guilt there was no concrete evidence they only focused on him. I can't believe these comments on this channel it's not the first time I have been shocked. This channel goes through law and facts and human experiences.
@@Jenloves780oh so you want to pretend that a JURY wasn't the group that decided his guilt??? What is up with that? And as a member of this community you fail to see how the prosecution came up with their case???? You think it was all the MEDIA???? That makes no sense. It's not like anybody's claiming he's guilty when he hasn't been convicted. He has been convicted through the evidence that was presented by the prosecution. It is a shock that the Innocence project is even looking in Scott Peterson's direction. It is also right that any DNA should be tested. But the likelihood of it exonerating Scott Peterson is extremely slim. The case against him is rock solid. Actually it is at least a solid as the blocks of concrete that he had in his boat. No not everybody would act the way that he did if they were under suspicion of murdering their spouse. He dyed his hair blonde as an effort to disguise himself. There is no part of the story where I believe any exonerating evidence even exists regarding Scott Peterson's guilt. I doubt that they can even bring it on and sure they should have the opportunity. Not based on Scott Peterson's word. Based on science.
@@Jenloves780I also believe he is guilty but im not so bias that if new evidence has come up I believe it should be ignored. That's ridiculous. Of course it should be looked at. All new evidence should. All the time.
@@Jenloves780do you understand how many defendants are convicted on circumstantial evidence? prosecution didn’t need “concrete evidence” so long as they proved to the jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Peterson killed Laci and Connor… you must not watch many cases 🤔
Baby Connor would be 21 now. So sad. I'll never understand if they don't want to be tied down and married, get a divorce. Not always simple but absolutely possible. To end 2 innocent lives for their own needs.
My grandbaby was born at 31.5 weeks and left the NICU in 3 weeks. I just started working as a nurse in the NICU and have learned that there are now successful births as early as 22 weeks gestation.
The mail box at the warehouse was being broken into and Laci and Scott checks were being stolen and the police did find their checks at some thieves house, that’s why Scott rented a box ,
I remember all of this I live in the Modesto area and I also worked at a department store that Lacey and Sharon shopped at for her maternity clothes 😢😢😢
The thing that made me sick was watching an old Dateline episode chronicling this case and they showed Connor’s nursery and it was nautical themed with boats and the ocean, come to learn that Connor and Lacey were found on the shoreline. SP is guilty and it’s disgusting that the innocence project is helping him. He is where he belongs
I’ve thought the same thing about the nursery. And there’s no way that instantly becomes a storage room. It was said he spent a lot of time cleaning the pool while she was missing. I think he possibly drowned her there and then transported her body.
Correct and am relieved to hear that. But, regardless, I feel strongly that he is guilty so this is giving me such anxiety. Justice for Laci and Connor🙏🙏🙏
Sorry. My mind is closed on this one. There is a mountain of evidence that points directly to him as her killer. How is it fair to the victim's family to be put through this?
There is not a mountain of evidence that points directly to him. Do what? Keep your mind tightly shut. You are one of the reasons there are massive amounts of wrongfully convicted individuals in this country.
I agree they're not going to find any evidence to exonerate this horrible man. But now that DNA can be tested even if they do test it they're not going to find Laci's DNA. I agree, my mind is very clearly made up as well and I don't believe that there's any way Scott Peterson is innocent. I'm sure that it is distressing to Laci's family. It would be better if the self-serving scumbag would just admit that he did it and get on with his prison sentence.
I don’t even see how LA Innocence Project could take this. The fact that in their documents they said he was always home with Laci is a flat out lie. He was having a full blown in person affair that has been proven as a fact. Hard to do that when you are “at home”. Eye roll.
I don’t understand it either. I don’t care what new evidence they say they have, he’s not gonna get rid of the old evidence. And all his doings in between and after.
I think maybe the notoriety of this case may be a factor. He’s guilty. When he lied to Amber that his wife was dead before she actually ended up dead in the bay cinched it for me.
Welllllll.... Juror #7, "Strawberry Shortcake", Richelle Nice, didn't help anything with her lies, and her smart aleck comment after the verdict.... And then the lies about the burglary date. It just gave them cause.
I'm extremely disappointed in the LA innocence project for taking his case. They suspected him because he was suspicious and in following those leads they found evidence.
I live in Modesto at the time, just a couple miles away. Police never followed up with my dad's boss who had a mail delivery (big rig) route from Modesto to Richmond CA. He said he saw Scotts truck pulling the boat on the freeway sometime between 1 and 1:30am. I believe police got the timeline wrong. I think he dumped her in the middle of the night, drove back, cleaned up, let the dog out, went back to the scene of the crime in case anyone placed him there, got his alibi with the receipt and came back. It's why his jacket was dry. He didn't even go into the water after he went back. He just went to get that time-stamped receipt. Unfortunately, my dad's boss has now passed away. Years ago.
I always felt the same thing. He must have taken her to the bay in the middle of the night. There would have been no one around, he could have just put her body in the bay and no one would be able to see. That’s why when he went back home and then later in the morning he went back to his office he had time to look stuff up on his computer, put together his tools then hook up his boat and go back down to the bay to get a receipt and when he put the boat in the water just did this so people would see him.
All the "so-called" "witnesses" say they saw laci with a white top and black pants which laci was wearing khaki colored pants when her body was found... their accounts directly contradicted the evidence d@user-kv8po4er2j
How in the hell would Scott actually get a murder confession from someone that the police wouldn't have? Who's just giving that up? Seems so fishy to me. Hope they address it quickly so we can move on from this
He called Amber during His Wife and Childs candlelight vigil and pretend to be in Paris! He dyed His hair, had cash and camping gear and his family members id. He was making a break for the Mexican Boarder! Does any of that say He's innocent?
There was a discussion we were having with family. If there was nothing that he could say to the police because the police has already found you guilty and have indited you, I would be trying to get lost as well.
@janegomez1267 Okay, what about Him calling Amber during His Wife and Son's candlelight vigil and pretending to be in Paris? That tells Me all I need to know about Him.
@@janegomez1267 The problem is that people who run are always suspect. He could have stayed there and told his version of the story----they didn't just grab him and haul him into the precinct. Even if they did , they had a duty to let him speak. He should have immediately requested an attorney. He further damaged his case by taking off for Mexico. Running from the law is never a good idea.
When Lacos mother said she didnt want Scott executed because it would wipe the family off the face of the earth like Laci and Conner never existed broke my heart for her 😢
@@RichardFitzwell-n3syou're all over this comment section and I get it, you think he's innocent. But even if you think that you surely understand Laci and Connor were absolutely murdered. Even Scott's own theory of the case has them being murdered, just not by him. Have some compassion for her parents and siblings.
@@platedlizard I don’t think he’s innocent, there just a ton of reasonable doubt and I would hope I never get out in that position with a jury of morons. Laci’s parents don’t have it worse than Scott if he’s innocent.
This makes me so mad. He is guilty. There was a ton of evidence pointing to his guilt not to mention the way he acted while she was missing. The police already interviewed and cleared the robbers across the street.
@@janegomez1267 I’ve been fishing in November it’s freezing out ion the water. So he said it was bad weather for golf but not fishing? Makes no sense at all.
All I'm saying is my uncle, my family is big at fishing. We've done it when it's cold as heck and even when it's raining and windy. I'm saying it's happens.
If he was so innocent, why in the world did he do everything to prove otherwise. Forget the circumstantial evidence. It was his very own actions from the day Lacey went missing that showed his guilt. I feel like he sentenced himself with his actions.
How many years later and where is the evidence pointing elsewhere? Truth always comes out. Where’s the reasonable doubt? Scott had the motive and means. They could never rule him out
@aok4418 I'm so sorry you don't like my opinion, but it's my opinion. Scott acted incredibly suspicious and told a lot of lies. He literally told Amber his wife (LACI) was dead when the world was still looking for her. Sorry, but I stand by what I said. Scott's behavior made him look guilty even if he wasn't. If there's evidence to prove otherwise, I'm all for it. If he's an innocent man behind bars and it can be proven, then by all means, set him free. I won't hold my breath. We can agree to disagree respectfully.
@@daniellealexander7392 Yet, studies indicate people are right roughly 53% of the time when judging guilt or innocence based on demeanor. Yes, he lied to and about Amber. That's not evidence. She was a fling. Of course, he didn't want that coming out.
It happens more than you know. Men kill women bc they don’t want a baby or husbands killing wives bc they no longer want to be married or pay alimony. My ex-husband’s favorite saying was it’s cheaper to keep’er 😩 im convinced once he tried to pay someone to harm me. Needless to say it’s why he’s my EX! I wl NEVER get married again
I agree. I don't believe that he can be proven innocent because I don't believe he is. Quite surprising that anybody thinks he is. But I have a feeling about this one I think he's going to be staying right where he is.
@therealdeal3672 i don't believe he's innocent but i do believe there was some reasonable doubt. I don't belive he should have been sentenced to death with only circumstantial evidence. For example, there was far more evidence against Casey Anthony & she was aquitted.
@@jessika702I would have to disagree that there was far more evidence against Casey Anthony. I think that Peterson had a whole lot of circumstances in his case that pointed to only one conclusion. I personally see no reasonable doubt.
You know, Scott Peterson has never mourned the loss of his wife and child. I have never seen him breakdown or be upset that they are dead. The only time I have ever seen him get upset was when he got in trouble. They’re also leaving out the fact that he was gearing up to leave the country through Mexico. He even died his hair blonde. Since the time of her death until now, he has not acted like anything that resembles an innocent person.
Yep I remember the bleached blonde hair and beard and the automobile flight towards Mexico. They were keeping a pretty close tail on him though because well he was their best suspect. They did check out the robbers across the street. I don't think they're going to come up with anything now. This is still just Scott Peterson's hot air.
People don’t have to cry to grief. This is a big misconception. People sometimes would prefer to grieve in private I know I would much rather cry privately than in front of pretty much anybody and I’ve been like that my whole life and I’m very empathetic to living beings I’m not so sure about this one I watch the documentary on it I remember the trial, I have doubts that he actually did it but we have to see what comes in the new trial
@@cindy7764if you are the number one suspect in your wife's murder you would think that some kind of tears would be summoned. I don't buy it. Human emotion seeps out whether or not you want it to. You may not cry in front of others, but I doubt that you could hide your grief if you were deep in it. If you could, I believe you've probably been forced to live a lie much of your life. That's not your fault if that is the case. Or you were forced to repress your expression of emotion. True emotion is detectable on a face even if the eyes are dry.
I don’t believe that he did it directly. I believe that he hired somebody to do it the boat that he had was not able to do what they feel that happened to Lacey. Yes, he is absolutely guilty but I don’t think in the way that everybody seems to think I believe that he has a higher accompliceand I see and respect your point of view
NO ONE here in the Bay Area that knows the geography between Modesto and Berkeley believes he is innocent. Let alone all of the other inconsistencies, the affair, the fleeing. Absolutely not.
@@Jenloves780a jury convicted him. The media was just reporting facts and information. It doesn't mean that due process wasn't served. If there's new evidence, bring it on. I seriously doubt it's going to exonerate Scott Peterson. He convicted himself by his own actions. The jury just made the official decision and he's exactly where he should be.
@@Jenloves780 Of course there was. He was the last person to see her alive and he was having an affair and lying about it, so yes of course there was tons of media attention. That doesn't mean he was found guilty cause of the media. He was found guilty because of the circumstantial evidence.
I am from the Bay Area and remember seeing this case on the news every day. After Amber Frey’s news conference, Scott was considered scum of the earth and we all believed he was guilty of murder. To this day, I still think he’s guilty but if the LA Innocence Project has evidence to prove otherwise, then he deserves to have another day in court. You did a great job breaking this down for us Emily🙌🏽
Guilty, guilty, guilty. Laci wasn’t seen walking her dog that morning, her body (what was left of it) was found still wearing her clothes from the party the night before.
Over 25 people reported seeing her that morning. There was even security footage that one of the neighbours had but law enforcement didn't even ask to view or duplicate it.
@@cleanrunestick3804 True. But once body was recovered she was NOT found in the clothes the neighborhood saw a prego woman walking a dog in, which means THE WOMAN the neighbors saw could not have been laci. Please pay attention.
@@mauiswift6391100%…..take the many “eyewitnesses” who claimed to hv seen Laci on that walk. They all claimed to see her in black pants I believe (suspiciously the same color Scott said she was wearing), but she washnd
Circumstantial evidence is often what throws innocent people in jail. Last night I have seen 3 cases that were in jail from 18 to 28 years all three were innocent, they then found the real killers, there are many like that behind bars. If he is guilty he remains guilty but if he isn't and they find evidence that he had nothing to do with it, why would you want him to stay in jail?
@@arrivagabry I've yet to see anything from this new defense that REMOTELY indicates he is innocent. This is just the SODDI defense brought out by Scott😍fans. I don't believe this is a good use of Innocence Project resources. Scott will die in prison with fans insisting he didn't do it.
The only evidence that isn’t circumstantial is eye witness testimony. That’s direct . Forensic evidence is circumstantial. No murderer is going to plan to commit murder in front of people. This it’s “all just circumstantial” bit is from ppl who don’t know how evidence works. Any crime with no eye witness is all circumstantial
EDB, do please keep following this case! Dr. Todd Grande did a video saying the case against Peterson was circumstantial, and he doubted it. That was the first I heard of this appeal. Probably part of LA Innocence project campaign. I would like to have your perspective. Evidence seemed strong to me.
awfully HUGE coincidence that Lacy was taken by "robbers across the street" on Christmas eve, when her cheating husband, who had already told his lover he had lost his wife 6 weeks prior, left her all alone to go golfing - not, "fishing", yet couldn't even say what kind of bait he had gotten. SURE SCOTT, sure. rot in hell.
I’m from the Bay Area. I lived there during the trial. The coverage was colossal. I always felt uneasy about the verdict. There was a bloodlust in the air. And what I’ve since learned about jury deliberations always made me feel uneasy about the verdict.
I’ve followed you for a minute but never really sat with you on stuff. I enjoyed this very much and appreciate you covering the history. Keep us up 💪👍🏻👌 thanks
I remember when this case blew up. It was during a ‘slow news/court’ holiday time & HLN (CourtTV) had been gaining steam. Her disappearance rocked the nation & gained international attention & so the hook was set. IMO, this case deserves at least another ‘look-see’. Because tainted justice is not true justice. (Note: I’m not saying he’s innocent)
My daughter was 3 years old when this happened and it was HORRIBLE! It was hard to watch anything related. When I saw Innocence Project was getting involved my mind was blown! So much time has passed I don’t remember the intricacies so I’ll hesitantly keep an open mind.
I watched an unbiased documentary that saw from both sides, and tbh he did not get a fair trial at all. There's too many things that would give me some doubt that he did it.
Very impressive podcast!! I followed this case every step of the way so knowing that, I still found your reporting on this case kept my attention. Thanx for the updates!! :)
Wiiiiiiild. Just wild. Thank you so much for covering this case Emily I am *invested* lol Please continue to covering! (Sad I missed the members only recording this episode)
This is the only case where I went back from saying guilty to i dont know. There were some inconsistencies in this case and there was a lot of media publicity that made it hard for him to win. I heard some alleged things going on with the jury and just a lot of evidence that points to not him being the person who did it. I think he should get a new trial and this time cameras be in the court room. Just is an interesting case.
I’m usually a fan of the Innocence Project, but I think they’ve got this one wrong. Scott Peterson killed his wife and son. It’s beyond sad. He’s where he belongs.
I don't understand the public upset over the innocence project picking up this case. I believe he did it but I also don't have problem with an organization taking a closer look. As an American citizen, I want to know the right people are held accountable.
I think its because he's an unlikeable guy and his poor character was widely exposed. The court of public opinion just needs him to be a dirty cheater to keep him locked up. Good thing the actual courts don't work that way.
@@MakerInMotion I get what you're saying and I don't disagree. He definetly made it easy to hate him. I always thought he was guilty but I've never seen the innocense project pick up a case without good reason so I remain open to hearing them out.
@@lonelyheroine I just watched Paul from Live from my Sofa explain that too and that makes since now. I'll stand by what I said in that I don't have an issue with anyone digging deeper but knowing it's not the IP that I've grown to respect does cast even more doubt on the possibility of him being innocent for me.
@@casey7187 Those who believe he is innocent don't realize that, even if by some obscure twist of fate the man is exonerated, he won't be found innocent. Innocent means you defintely did not commit a crime and being found not guilty doesnt mean you are innocent, just that there is no conviction you definitely did the crime. Therefore, the best Scott Peterson can hope for is to be found not guilty. He can't be proven innocent for the reasons I stated here. His supporters don't seem to know that.
Believing someone is guilty is a feeling. Verdicts should never be made on feelings in a court of law. What determines guilt or innocence should be facts. If there is new evidence, it should be investigated and weighed. TRUTH is the only way justice is served.
Could you please consider covering the John O'Keefe/Karen Read case in Canton, Massachusetts? O'Keefe, a former Boston police officer, is involved. This case reveals numerous discrepancies and has exposed widespread corruption, implicating local police, MSP, judges, the DA, possibly constituting one of the largest cover-ups in decades.🙏
I live in Modesto & kept an open mind when Scott was on trial. Most opinions changed when his affair was revealed, but for me, it was the trip to the S.F. Bay, where we have numerous lakes and a delta that are much closer to us. Traveling that far in that weather on Christmas Eve makes no sense. He initially said he had his boat in the water for 20 minutes? He was also "fishing" for fish that weren't present in the bay at this time.
@@RichardFitzwell-n3sIt shows he lied to police? It shows he is not afraid to lie and spin it, ie telling the media the police knew about the affair the whole time which they did not. It shows potential motive? It shows he can be manipulative? He told Amber this was the first Christmas without his wife. He called her during his wife/son’s candle vigil saying he was in Paris. It actually says quite a lot. Love, Lust, Looting and loathing the most common motives for murder.
Emily, you neglected to mention that Lacy & Baby Connor washed up in the San Francisco Bay. Ropes still attached to Lacy. Baby washed up a few weeks later. I live here and it took over the whole region.
The IP doesn't take cases unless there are very good reasons so it will be interesting to see how this unfolds....sure hope the cops didn't make a huge mistake..
