New Evidence Removed from Idaho Murders House 

A guy called into a RU-vidr live show he asked him what his name was where you from he says it doesn't matter I'm on a burner phone we all wondered if it was Bryan k

the dylan girl needs a televised bare butt spanking so the nation can fully heal

@@jeanaburka1013 Yikes. Whose livestream, if ya recall?

LE also have FARO 3D scanners.

u reused the delphi ominous music for this guy 2 at the start i got deja vu

Exactly!

Yup, what a sick coward!

Yes I think he went up stairs to the 3rd floor and killed those 2 girls first. The dog barking, etc had Xana come out of her bedroom to investigate. Probably why she was on Tik Tok app at 4:12 AM. Bryan probably confronted her when leaving and took her out. Then went to Ethan. As leaving he confronted Xana again then left.

Yeah with a knife made to kill humans.

To be fair 16 or 10 minutes is a fairly long time. Put down all tech items and just sit there for 10 mins.

Didn't she recently move in? Also, if a party house, I am sure she saw plenty of ppl she didn't know or saw bf

Maybe she thought the mask was for COVID prevention

1. She didn’t move, she just switched rooms. 2. There are no masks needed anymore. 3. She knew something wasn’t right, because she opened the door three times to check what was going on. 4. She heard thumps, cries, a barking dog. 5. She was “in a shock phase” per the official affidavit, so she was in shock. 6. She was afraid, that’s why she locked her room, right after seeing the killer. Single thing might explain something, but adding all other points, it paints suspicious picture. We’ll see at trial. She will be definitely called to the stand.

That's actually a very feasible possibility.

@@Venvaneless you’re probably one of the psychos insisting Kylie Rodni was murdered too. It’s amazing how many people turn into self appointed crimes scene experts 🤦‍♀️

Amen!

Thanks for bringing common sense and empathy to the comments!

Nobody freeze's up for 8 hours..Do you?

@@mercedesadler9386 have you ever experienced PTSD?

@@mercedesadler9386We don’t know what she did in those 8 hours. We literally don’t know.

Yeah, it was interesting why "pop" brought up some mass shooting right out of the blue. First of all, it wasn't actually a "mass" shooting but rather a single individual. The other possibility is to see if he and his son's car were under a similar suspicion by the cop by associating some other heinous criminal event to see the cop would respond. It stands to reason that the police stop was a pre-text by the FBI even though they denied it. Of course all police departments all over the country were all notified to BOLO a white Hyundai Elantra. That's how we know for certain the police stop was pre-arranged.

EXCATLY I think dad know whats going on.

I don’t think dad had a clue.Who ever thinks there child is that evil

Yes, & likely not the first time.

I don't believe that she thought it was just someone coming through. She said she was in a scared, frozen state. I think when it says she opened the door, it was probably just cracked open, it was dark, and he was full or adrenaline. I don't think he even saw her. She saw him walk out, but that doesn't mean that she thought he left. She may have thought he was still around the house. Maybe she left her phone of the first floor and scared to move out of her locked room to go get it. She probably curled up in her bed and fell asleep. She isn't the villain, he is.

Thank you!!! Good point.

@@lynnoverton7747 you're exactly right about her these people bashing the surviving victim who is now the key witness in this case. Her testimony helped to identify him and will help to convict him. I bet they never gave the cowards in uvaldi this mush push back after the allowed 20 kids to get murdered.

She really should have checked on her friends though that night not to call a friend 8 hours later she should have just called the police

I say yes but I'm not a detective🤷‍♀️ I know about 10 years ago we had a triple homicide in my small Ohio town and it was rented to somebody else in just a few months time but was cleaned out the first week...

I was thinking. I think that crime scene is contaminated.

Don't you worry, the professionals know what they are doing.

Maybe so, but it could be that they first wanted to document the crime scene as it was left, if it gives any clues as to how and when each murder took place relative the others. It could also be that they're looking for any bit of blood that might actually place Bryan at the scene at the time of the murders, so that he doesn't use a defense such as, "I've been in that house regularly so my fingerprints will be there." How much prosecution can prove that the 12 previous visits Bryan made to the home were actually instances of stalking and not just visiting a friend in that house is beyond me, but any bit of blood they can find of his would help their case. We already know that he cleaned the crap out of his car after the crime so trying to find DNA of the victims in order to place him in the home during the murders might not be as certain as people had hoped. I assume Plan B is to go over every inch of that furniture now for _his_ blood.

Obviously, they are removed to prevent any evidence that may exist to defend Mr. Wohberger. That would contradict the already "no need for more" evidence collected by the police to prove their suspect "guilty". What was the big hurry? The landlord has a waiting list of hundreds of applicants who want to experience the thrill of living in ....."the House of Death". Really? Go figure!

Kudos* lol Kodus in India is the name of a plant defined with Paspalum scrobiculatum in various botanical sources. in Ayurveda, modern medicine, and other folk traditions or local practices It has the synonym Paspalum barbatum Schumach., nom. illeg., non Paspalum barbatum

@@TheJonnyEnglish 👁️🫦👁️

That's their job.

Telling the public that they were not in danger because the crime was an isolated incident is NOT worthy of applause. This guy was on the loose for 6 weeks and I see no evidence presented that after the murders he turned into a choir boy and we didn't need to worry about additional murders.

The police could have handled this much better imo. They may not even have the right guy and they let D go after hearing her bs testimony. C -

Yeah with her busy eyebrow description and his clad in black outfit! Athletic but not muscular 5”10 🤨 To me this screams 👄 to her by 👮‍♂️ Especially since her bedroom was one place then magically changed

Thought I was the only one. I wake up looking for new info everyday . I'm obsessed. So sad I keep thinking about how the students must of felt their last moments alive.

Same!

I know, I can’t stop thinking how is this guy studying this stuff and get it all so wrong? Maybe his desire to kill blinded him to what he knew about criminology? What if someone in his class decided to frame him and did all this heinous stuff to point to him? It’s making me nuts to not know more details.

It could take up to a year 😯

I heard it'll be probably 2 yrs

Trial not exoected until 2025 if ever.

@@joinjen3854 where did you get that from? Not surprising if so. They can make some trials go quickly, this needs to be one.

@@turdfacey6478 professional criminal defense counsels are sayung this. If it was 1 murder it may be at trial in 12 to 18 montha.

@@joinjen3854 if he pleads guilty in the future that could speed it up but I don’t see that happening

@@turdfacey6478 That's how he avoids the death penalty and no trial.

The Defense will grill her. She lacks credibility with a drug habit and a drug dealing boyfriend. These housemates are not sweet innocents. I do not wish her harm, but I hope this is a wake up call for Dylan and Bethany.

People are so emotional with that case they blame everyone involved from start and journalists are so not helping I wonder if they have purse instead of brains sometimes .

Go research a phenomena called Bystander Apathy now appears to be re branded Frozen Shock below is a quick few criteria to measure the likelihood of being a person that is apathetic to a crises situation DM failed on EVERY ONE Notice that something is going on Interpret the situation as being an emergency Degree of responsibility felt Form of assistance Implement the action choice

@@joinjen3854 Yup........

Fight or flight is not what she did.

I like Vinnie too. I would have an illicit affair with him and I wouldn’t tell a soul. I usually close my legs to married men but sometimes sugar walls gotta come out and play. I would love for Vinnie to talk the entire time the sugar walls come crumbling down.

@@ameliabedelia7018 what? Why would you tell the world that? Those are the type thoughts you keep to yourself.

@@MichelleSid sorry. Sometimes I’m frigid. Other times I’m hot to trot.

@@ameliabedelia7018 Vinnie’s my cousin. I can set you up.

@@justicegusting2476 wowsa! Let’s just say all my lips are big and juicy. ALL OF THEM!

True I also think about the police and all responders who walked into this hell of blood and of course the innocent victims. Nightmares and PTSD will last for years.

Crimes are getting worse especially in usa 🇺🇸

@@olgatrilogymartin3143 I wonder about that,… are they getting worse or do we just hear more about them now bcz of social media?

Agreed. I too, follow cases. Kaylee, having been heard by Dylan, saying, "there's someone here", has changed my emotional DNA. CHILLED ME TO THE BONE. MF!

@@shellwirtful BOTH!

RU-vid experts don’t necessarily if ever need all the facts (or any facts for that matter). They make their own facts when necessary. They have a perfect view to everything from their armchair and they are experts of all fields. Only amateurs like yourself and doctors, scientists, law enforcement specialist and such “experts” base their opinions, analysis and judgements to facts.

@@lottnio8207 it’s clear you don’t know the difference between opinion an amateur. I’ve said nothing in regards to RU-vid Creators or any law enforcement, Fed, any experts you spew about. I know how cops,chief of police,Feds,State Marshals an US Marines work. It’s practically my whole family. So once again. Get to know something first before YOU judge them. Now walk away an go get a hug from someone.

@@Sheila74 no I’m not criticising you but being sarcastic towards people who don’t wait to get all the facts but have very strong opinions about everything even though they generally have little idea they are talking about.. You’re absolutely right saying that we need to wait for all the facts before making judgements.

@@lottnio8207 oh..lol ok 👍 my bad. I’m sorry. I will go hug my dog bc right now it’s just us.😆

@@Sheila74 👍😀

Same thing I ask! I’m just waiting on all this to unfold

The 6th roommate moved out before the start of the school year.

Great question..I thought about that as well. Maybe sincerely under stress....

yah wondering the same thing

@@lornaduwn "So they say ...."

Yup! Drug related party house I wouldn’t be surprised

He didn't know them but had stalked the house and those in it. Kids being kids nothing wrong with a party house, a lot wrong with murdering four kids.

Yes I would have had triple locks on my bedroom, and an extra smoke detector.

You are 100 percent correct. I was not a risk taker when i was young but the few times sequence of events that just happened to me i skeerted out of and many times it could have went wrong very quickly.

I was once in a destitute situation and rented a room in a house that rented 6 rooms to complete strangers you haven't lived till you've done that. Strange times indeed.

Xana was laid down on the floor, thats mean she was up and probably have a fight with the killer, and scream for help

She was on the same floor--the main floor of the house. The house's layout is confusing. There was the original house, now called the 2F. A lower split-level connects to it is called the 1F. A new wing to the 2F was added and it also has an upper story, now called the 3F. Despite what LE said at first, they are now saying she was on the 2F.

She waited all of the those hours, called friends over to the house and THEN called the police. I still cannot get past her being on the same floor, hearing crying, thumping, statements being made, a dog AND seeing a masked stranger… and doing nothing! At this time, no record of her even texting her house mates, calling them or anything to check.

I have a feeling if she would’ve tried to investigate she would’ve died that night as well, but I feel like she could’ve helped. After the fact it really hurts.

If she shrugs masked person off as a visitor or delivery guy as many suggest, then why the "fear"? If he scared her and froze her, then why not call 911 as he exited she said, and say " intruder". Help would be there in moments. So you can't be not scared, go to sleep, or so scared and frozen she hid for 7 hrs and then called friends to come over. So what is weird is after murders, they reported she heard saw nothing. Now she saw the bushy eyebrows and went into room, did nothing until calling friends. Did she try calling roommates first when she "woke up"? Did she go get her phone from somewhere? If it was with her all the time then...back to no call despite fear. Just strange.

She is an adult.

Hopefully that will be explained better soon, because her waiting 8 hour too call the cops, after hearing your friends was in danger and seeing a stranger with a mask on at 4:00 am in your home baffles me

@@harrellwilliams5010 Yes. Can't wait for that testimony. I already have so many questions

Can't they get blueprints to a home through the city/township without going into the home? That could be also a way he knew his way around

@@surgicaltechcrafter2169 More likely on a real estate website, like Zillow or Redfin. Every time it was up for rent it was probably posted with pictures and the physical details. I think maybe he's been inside before though.

Motive?????

He definitely studied the blueprints from the home buying sites. That’s how he knew exactly where to go. I don’t think he was ever in their prior to this though. Maybe but probably not. I think his motive was just a desire to feed his ego, and thinking he could get away with it cause he thought he was smarter than everyone.

@@tammyjackson5927 Perhaps Miss Dylan was the only one living there who we can say "made sense" out of her actions. The balance of roommates were all "party animals" who opened the door to hundreds of strangers at all hours and never had the good sense to lock their doors. Just what about that house "attracted so much attention"? Was it just the great music blasting away and disturbing the whole neighborhood? Were they serving a free buffet and Dom Perignon to anybody who walked in? Hey! how 'bout the good guess explanation that it was a great venue to buy and sell drugs and THAT'S what the parties were all about ... long into the night with buyers/sellers coming and going through the night. What better way to finance your education "the easy way", circumventing working at a fast-food joint. Kohberger was into hard drugs and would fit right into the scene. He was all for "law enforcement" like our CIA/FBI/IRS are "just a good group of guys, wanting to make sure nobody gets away doing something under the table". When we all know those agencies are as corrupt as heck. Just like our "Drug Enforcement Agency" isn't partnered with the cartels to make sure the "war on drugs" keeps going a long, long, long time.

LOL

He looks like Son of Sam!

True. Same eyes as the Connecticut school shooter. Psychotropic drugs (again)? Which the MSM will NEVER, EVER ask about or report on.

@@angelaallen2190 nahhhh but to each its own

He looks like Ted Bundy!

He looks like a psychopath.

You and your noggin'!🤭😉

Why? The case literally hasn’t started yet and you already think you know something 🤦

@@aClownBaby- No nothing more at this point. But have more questions than before. Many holes in this case. Is this guy guilty already ?

I think the one gentleman is wrong. I think he killed Xana and Ethan in her bedroom first. I think he took them by surprise, then went upstairs and killed Maddie and Kaylee because DM's room is on the same floor as Xana's. The evidence says that she saw him walk down the steps, then he walked right towards her and left through the sliding glass doors. If he had killed the two girls on the third floor first and DM saw him come down the stairs and walk out the door, then Xana and Ethan would still be alive. That's why I think they were killed first. When it says that she opened the door, it probably was just a crack. I commented before that maybe she had left her phone downstairs or maybe even in her car. She probably was too afraid to move because how did she know that he wasn't still around the house watching for any other movement? They didn't get home until late. She probably curled up in her bed and fell asleep. Luckily DM must not have turned her light on or there would have been a very different outcome.

stop making excuses for her/him. Theres no way 4 people are going to be murdered, 2 being on the same floor as you and you not hear something!! absurd!!!

@@lynnoverton7747 Probably killed Ethan first, when Xana was in the kitchen with her door dash order.

@@lynnoverton7747Even so, it seems strange he didn't kill her too, as he did the couple. The 2 blonde chicks were his target for sure.

I think she was just freaked out by him and when they found everybody murdered in the morning she knew exactly who did it. Now the reason why Brian didn't kill her is because he didn't use a gun, he used a knife and fought 4 people. He was tired and also a bit in shock because he had to kill them all while they were awake and the fact that he actually went through with it. Dylan was pretty much invisible to him at that point. He just wanted to get out of there as quick as he can.

It's actually a lot more clustered with homes than I thought. I assumed the home was almost off to its own.

All he had to do was incapacitate one then the other before making sure they were dead. With all of the planning he did, I am pretty sure that he studied how to take someone down quickly in a knife fight. I think the girls were taken out fairly quickly. I don't think he expected to see Ethan there as Ethan usually had gone home by about 2 due to fraternity rules about sleeping at the frat house. He would have known that due to stalking them. Ethan probably decided to break the rules as no one would notice due to the frat party. I also don't think he expected the dog to be there as it had been at Jack's mostly. I think that noise was made, especially from Xana's room. He probably was just so focused on getting out before getting caught that he didn't see Dylan peeking through the door. I think she saw the knife and probably blood on him and totally freaked. It would not be unusual for her to have her phone on a charger in another room or for her to leave it in a coat pocket or something. She may not have been able to call without leaving the room and she was probably terrified to do so. I have heard several stories of people who are in traumatic situations who hide and stay put until someone they trust comes for them. You hear about it all the time in mass shootings when even long after the shooting stops, even the cops have trouble convincing people it is safe to come out from hiding. She may have been cowering in her room until Bethany woke up.

My theory is that he went upstairs first, Xana encountered him when she took her food bag to the kitchen. She probably ran back to the bedroom where Ethan was 😩

Interesting

I agree with you 💯

On top of that! They watched his home and when BK took the trash out they took it as well. So whatever he through away in those bags.. they have. Im curious where his dad was the time of the murders..? Does anyone know I haven’t found any info on that.

It was BKs dna on the sheath in the house, it wasnt his dads. But they used the dads dna to make to connection. So yes his dna was in the house

the can have the surviving roommate identity him on the stand

He cleaned it 💔

@@noradee49it’s still possible to detect blood and dna. no amount of bleach and household cleaning products can stand up to what the forensics people have.

Contamination, probably what the defense is praying for

I get your concern, but I think these ppl know what they are doing. I don't think this is their first rodeo. 😁

@Eudaimonia naive because I don't think I can do their jobs better than them?

I found that to be odd as well. Why not county vehicles collecting this evidence.

I hope LE has

I’m sure they have. I mean that’s a pretty important possible eye witness.

Well 3 of the victims were much smaller & sleeping &/or inebriated & he took them by surprise.

@@eudaimonia7697 but if they didn’t know they were in danger ( ie lots of people in & out of this house at all hours) then they weren’t in fight mode…maybe a little sacred for a short time…maybe he used chloroform so they would pass out…not saying there wasn’t an accomplice or getaway driver…there very well could have been…let’s say he had another person “helping” him…do u think he would tell LE that someone acted with him???

Yeah bc if he had been watching the house as police suggest, one would assume that he knew about the other 2 room mates.....

and you know this how?

Dylan might not have been a pushover either if he was tired or hurt. She looks tall.

@@kultofbunny I don’t it’s just a theory but it’s actually a fact that many killers will attempt dismemberment and give up half way through. He also left the sheath at the crime scene which tells me he wanted to get out before the cops arrived. Or he would’ve killed dm and then got the sheath and escape.

Yes!!! No one knows this poor girls physical and mental state and I PRAY that none of the conspiracy people out there, never have to experience this type of trauma! I personally wonder if maybe she had alcohol on board? Poor baby. Prayers for her and all the others ♡

Facts

I don't disagree with your statement in general, but I think in Dylan's case she meant that she was shocked seeing someone and then froze probably because guests (especially males dressed like ninjas) she doesn't recognize aren't normally walking through her house in the dark after-hours. She froze in surprise because she wasn't expecting that when she opened her door. If she had known her friends were bleeding to death as she closed and locked her door that final time, I'm positive she would have called for help.

Nobody freeze's up for 8 hours

@@kayakingirl7252 nobody freeze's up for 8 hours

Yes!

That would make sense

I feel that way because it seems to give him a more logical amount of time to commit the murders. Imo the sound heard at 4 by dm where she said it sounded as if Kaylee was playing with her dog was maybe the murder of k & m ...then xana makes a statement that somebody's here is bk running into to xana & Ethan not realizing that she was still up on tiktok...& right after that dm opened her door heard faint crying & bk say it's OK I'm gonna help you ...he kills both of them then dm sees him walk from the direction of xanas room & down that Lil step that goes towards her but leads to the outside thru the kitchen. I think everyone is having such an issue with DM bcuz their making the assumption that her door is wide open with lights on & she's just standing there witnessing all this murder go on around her & she doesn't call 911 or do anything to help...& honestly the PCA didn't help but it's not it's job too...cuz it had to list info to get him arrested not exonerate dm. But I'm sure when we get the details that DM was in her room with her lights off behind darkness. & yea she saw him but he didn't see her...if u look at the vids showing the layout of the house & I think it's on Grey Hughes investigates channel where he shows what the pov line of sight would be for dm being inside her room with her door cracked...& i think if more people could see that they would understand how dm could yes see bk enough to be able to describe him but not to think that it was necessarily a killer ...I don't think she realized the significance of what she saw or heard until after the bodies were found & she had to rem every detail. It irritates me that more people aren't taking that more than likely scenario into consideration...cuz it makes perfect sense. & it answers why 911 wasn't called til later. Ima 45 yr old momma & gmomma ...& if I can come up with a more logical sequence of events that fits all the evidence we have heard & that makes sense...u can't tell me all these true crime reporters & channels can't do the same...makes me think they need a more questionable dramatic mindset for clicks & views & DM is paying dearly for their ignorance as many are making her a suspect & just dragging her thru the mud. It's disgusting & shameful

They have the real evidence from his thrown out garbage. Wake up 🙄🤡

@@leejason3700 I guess oj and casey Anthony was made up evidence! LAY DOWN!

@@tyroliayoung8828 tech is different now. vid with time stamps etc. Wake up Forrest Gump 😆👀🆘🚧🛑🆗🤡

I have these same thoughts. Between the university and parents, why weren't there lights outside? No matter where you live, exterior doors need to be locked-why was this simplistic concept lost?

And I was just thinking this may be the logical demise of the glass-sliding door, as we know it!

@@BA-ef4pr These young people seemed too comfortable in their living environment with way too many people coming & going. They spent a lot of time on their social media sites and not paying enuf attention. That said, they did not deserve to lose their lives.

True bedroom door locked. And to many had access coming and going. Not a safe place

If I had a daughter living off campus like these girls I would have bought and installed security cameras and have them reinforce their doors with Fox Locks.

you have no idea if hes the right one. Critical thinking is dead

@@kultofbunny So is good grammar!!!

To be fair, he wasn’t seen. A car that matched his cars make and model was seen. I saw about 100 of them on the road this morning. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s guilty as sin.

Plenty of time to do what he did. Three minutes to walk from his car, enter the house and go to his target’s room. (He knew what room she was in from his surveillance of her. Park outside, watch her go in, wait one minute, see which room has a light switched on, bingo) Two minutes, max to kill the first two girls. One minute to start his exit but fun into the third girl. Three minutes, max to kill her and her sleeping boyfriend. Two minutes to make it back to his car ( he’s in a hurry now) Just because you refuse to believe something does not make it untrue.

@@donalddicorcia2433 It is YOU who should be on the Moscow Police Force! You have it down to a science. But, can we borrow your crystal ball for the trial ... the jury needs to know this stuff? Thanks Don!

he's got issue obviously, beyond our comprehension

It may seem short but I timed it, him upstairs & downstairs, that was the longest 15 mins of my life. He had to spend at least 5-6 mins with each pair. Just tragic.

@@billymobby very very tragic. Yes, when you say that it is way too long.

@@billymobby Absolutely! The mind and body are capable of doing things that other people have trouble comprehending. This was a frenzied attack and the person was capable of stabbing many times in a few minutes.

@@billymobby but if the leaked info is true about one of the victims being stabbed so many times and one beaten to a pulp and one being sliced down to his hamstrings, that would seem like it would take longer.

@@lifeislife489 well of course, the ‘damage done’ vs ‘the time damage was done in’ is what is mind boggling. That was only 3 victims you mentioned, not even the 4th. But if they’re saying this happened in 15-16 mins it just makes this even crazier.

Nice catch : him asking that questions makes sense when you look at the whole picture

Could explain how he managed to take them all out so quickly. maybe someone else was there before him to let him in or tell him coast was clear to enter 🤔 or did they leave door open after food delivery by accident and he sneaked in? Could he have used chloroform to hush them or disable them after they resisted and fought back ? Crying and Whimpers were heard not screams so maybe they were just so terrified or it happened so quickly they just froze in fear after seeing him and then couldn't scream or shout for help. It's puzzling 🤔

He studied criminology. He asked that question to plant reasonable doubt the second he got caught. He knew they had evidence (why else would they be there?) - asking that question sets up his defence as a getaway driver or an accomplice. We shouldn’t trust him. That wasn’t him being inquisitive about a genuine, second arrest. He was being manipulative by asking that.

2 victims alive cuz there was another girl sleeping through it who wasn’t harmed

@@nasirwest6502 there was also a 6th girl on the lease, whose bedroom was downstairs with Bethany’s. They have disclosed who she is, but it’s likely that she had graduated and moved out. There are a few girls in their instagram photos whose bios say that they’re UI alum. I guess it’s not really relevant, and it’s not necessary for them to disclose, but there’s a 3rd surviving roommate out there, who, regardless of the fact that she wasn’t present, is still in a great deal of emotional pain.

That is terrifyingly creepy

I am sure LE went thru all of the Grub Trucks prior streams on Twitch if there were any. I bet this pos was there.

Ya cause he knew at his home they were at the food truck

@@scottysharkpuppetadventure4075 he knew their routine he was watching them like a cat watching a mouse but the cat forgot there's a pitbull watching him about to bite his ass

Oh no 😢

agree, I think they will find his victims DNA in it.

You can barely make out the car on the video. And where is the video of him getting out of the car and approaching the house. That's conveniently left out

​@@eudaimonia7697 Good points. The guy also seems very spacy. The look in his eyes. Also, for a criminology student, he sure screwed up big time. Spent way too much time in the house.

That's for the trial.

Because prosecutors only give out what they have to n order to get an arrest.

Shouldn't she have seen blood if you can see eyebrows in the dark and also shouldn't there be blood in the car if you only had that much time how would you have time to change and get rid of the blood so fast and kill four people

P.c. affidavit said he was wearing "ALL BLACK" so she probably didn't. His face was mostly covered with mask. It is a good question though, I was wondering also. With that much blood you'd think some would end up on his face somewhere. The room also could have been dimly lit, but she was able to see his face.....

@@birdsintheburbs7414So if lights are on, you can’t see blood on black clothing??

I totally agree. Probably things from BF or DM’s bedrooms.

I hope they have a legion of applicants trying to move into the "house of death". And instead of the landlord being responsible for cleaning out the furniture, the local police department does the arrangements and picks up the tab? Sounds typical, but something wrong here also! John Wayne Gacy's home was completely demolished and put on the market as "unsaleable". But I guess the Idaho gang are all clammering to get to live inside the Moscow "House of Death" to experience the thrill of being there and happily haunted by the memory.

My son works outdoors and cold winter days he wears these full face masks that only show the eyes. So understandably, it's cold there and men wearing these full masks to keep face warm would not have triggered an intruder, let alone a massacre. Being a home with so much activity all hours of the day, night morning etc.....having had 3 teenagers young kids would never jump to murder. They are , no offense, clueless to the cruel world. Especially if they come from good homes, with good families they don't understand EVIL. Shock is a real diagnosis, it was late, dark, tired, drugs, alcohol, denial. she will no doubt go through survivors guilt. I pray she survives from her mental anguish.

The 2 remaining may have been lucky

Not everyone keeps their phone in their bedroom. Many people plug it in a charger in the kitchen or living room. I often leave mine in my coat pocket. She may not have been able to call without leaving her room and after what she saw she may have been too scared to do so. Most likely she hid in her room until Bethany woke up.

That's what bothers me the most. 4 ppl are killed, 2 in one room, 2 in another, on separate floors. He could only kill 1 person at a time, yet no sounds of a struggle, no screams from the victim or the other person in the room yet to be attacked. And how was BK familiar with the floorplan, layout of the rooms? To accomplish all he did, in the time he did, had to have some foreknowledge. Had he ever been in there previously?

@@sandtats He only had to incapacitate one before incapacitating the other. He then could go back and make sure they were dead. I think he was able to do that with the girls. I don't think he expected Ethan to be there and he was not able to incapacitate him as quickly as he would have wished. I think that the "crying" she heard was someone trying to scream but unable to actually do so. At that point he knew that too much noise was happening and he was simply focused on getting out of there and probably didn't even notice DM peeking out of the door. As far as knowing what the house was like, he was stalking them and could have looked it up on Zillow like many of us did.

its the defense team taking them not the prosecution

They’ve probably already done a whole bunch of forensic testing on the mattress. I’m thinking they just want to get all this important evidence to a safe location before the defense’s PIs go through the house. They want these items safe until trial.

The defense is going to set up the crime scene in a warehouse somewhere

@@justintime753 the defense didn’t pick that furniture up, that was LE.

@@tastyredsauce well I would think that law enforcement are the only ones responsible for handling crime scene evidence. So if defense needed it, it would still be LE handling it.

Well said

I think most people have curiosity, if I saw a strange guy leaving house. I would probably go check on Xana and Ethan especially if I saw him come from that direction out of curiosity.

Yes.. no one has said this, but usually stabbing is up close and personal. The degree of violence indicates rage.

And it has to be someone intimately familiar with this cul-de-sac. Look at how narrow and odd the streets are. A random person isn't choosing this house.

Yeah he was determined too do the killings at that point, maybe because he knew Kaylee was leaving soon.

I think his entire end goal was to get caught and try to get away with murder by walking out of court a free man for some psychological high or something!

Hopefully he will not be around long enough to learn anything.

He'll be executed, justifiably so.

Yes, unless he wants the experience of going to trial. Or he might also be too ashamed to let his family know he's a killer and deny it to the very end.

Idk. I think that he will wait for discovery, to make sure they have more evidence that either shows one of the victims dna in his home or car AND / or more evidence placing him inside of that home. It definitely doesn’t look good for him right now, but a good defense attorney could raise enough reasonable doubt. He doesn’t go straight there from his home, did he pick someone else up? Whose to say he didn’t think he was taking a friend to visit a girlfriend…. (I believe he’s guilty) I’m just saying, we don’t know everything yet. And, with what we know now, it just seems loose enough to create reasonable doubt.

We don't know what blood DNA they have yet, that's for the trial.

too much evidence against him. Even if the knife sheath wasn't there/used to frame him the cellphone and vehicle evidence are substantial.

No one is claiming there was no blood. Actually, it’s the opposite. The coroner gave an interview and she said it was a horrific scene.

That's the thing! Some internet sleuths make no difference between themselves (following these cases from afar) and the very people, local LE, who ACTUALLY work the case---they GO to the location, the see the victims/crime scene with their own eyes, they gather physical objects as evidence, they meet with & interview IN PERSON everyone who is in some way connected to the case. They are authorized to name suspects based on their evidence. All of this is part of working the case and not something one can do from 100s or 1000s of miles away.

He was so close. Less than 2 min walk, I bet.

@@1ACL possibly also stalked the house for a couple minutes to check that he's able to get in unnoticed

@@Killbayne yes he did, they said they have it on video.

How long does it take to slash a throat or hit a major artery or organ? Just minutes.

Only takes seconds to stab someone several times .

Did he hold the knife to them each and put a gag in and tie them up fast so they couldn’t run or call 911? Also would explain how 4 people couldn’t scream loud. Idk just a theory. If someone was holding a knife to me and said be quiet I would

@@maymaypooch There has been no report of gags found on victims or at the scene. Some of you just don't understand that they had been out drinking and maybe hadn't been asleep long. When you are under the influence of alcohol and are woken up to a man standing over you with a knife or maybe even woken up after already being stabbed there is a complete state of confusion and no time to react.

@@pinkflowergirl It's just common sense. Unfortunately, there is a lack of common sense in a lot of these comments.

It seemed like they were saying he parked on the street right out front of the house? But I could be mistaken. It wasnt clear.

They are still going on speculation because they DONT KNOW but kernodle got a delivery at 4:12 ish and everyone seems to be attacked by 4:25

The affidavit stated there was a door dash delivery at 4am. Around this same time there was noises heard within the home which made one young lady open her door and look. The suspect’s car was seen moving on footage outside of the home at 4:04am.

Only 2 mattress sets - the surviving victims

The defense gets its stab at the forensics, too.

He may not have seen her

They're blessed no such thing as luck give God our creator honor where it's due please no shade just being truthful