Nobody claims that Ukraine will March on Moscow, the conditions for victory are returning the borders to pre-2014 conditions. Crimea is the big point here. Putin will be dead before he sees that lost, and Zelensky had said from the start that Crimea has to be returned.
It's an absolute tragedy that this had to happen at All. The people Responsible for this should be charged with war crimes! Everyone should watch a video presentation by Retired German General Harald Kujut where he articulates factually the circumstances had have lead to this tragic situation where my Orthodox brothers and Sisters are killing and maiming each other. All this could have been averted. "INSTANBUL 2022".
Eh yeah they where unimportant... The front-line hasn't moved much since those cities fell... sloviansk still not captured and that's after an entire year of Russians supposedly winning this war....
@@rwan3583 Very responsible for taxpayer money? As governments should be? It is indeed true what you say, he was seriously indignified, but rightfully so, given the time, resources and money that goes into the production of these monsters in the sky.
As a pro-Russian guy I say this: keep those fucking ships away from the Black Sea. You already proved you cannot keep them safe from missiles or drones.
Same case in the Red Sea for US/UK they had to flee rumored hits and cover up definitely lost ships they were meant to escort one bulk ship was part of UK navy This isn’t a uniquely Russian thing The evolution of warships is swarms D day style have more ships than the enemy has missiles The only country that has this is China with over 1000 armed fishing boats
Well zelunaticsky has acknowledged that the US wants to prolong the conflict for more years, that's why he was crying for nations to force Russia to accept peace! But Diden refused to join the recent peace summit in Switzerland, and he was frustrated and now he's saying ocraine can't afford longer conflict as there are no men to fight and ocraine could loose more territories ...... Now he wishes signing peace deal in Istanbul in April 2022 🥹
What do eastern european fighter jets and western homeless people have in common? No matter the resulting costs, their gouvernments refuse to provide shelters.
In the 1967 Middle East war, the Israeli air force destroyed several hundred Egyptian and Syrian planes on the ground because they were out in the open on airfields. The Egyptians and Syrians learned the lesson and, with Soviet help, built concrete hangers and shelters for their planes. This was very successful, and in the 1973 war, Israeli air strikes on these planes were almost completely ineffective. Since today’s Russians and Ukrainians are the descendants of the Soviets who helped the Arab air forces build those concrete shelters, clearly they know how to protect planes on the ground. SO WHY THE FUCK are both the Russians and Ukrainians leaving their planes out in the open three years into a war where many planes on both sides have been destroyed on the ground?
I guess because they cost a lot and a drone can easily manouver under the concrete shelter, unless you build a concrete building for every single plane.
@@MYwinters1945Try maneuvering a drone under concrete hundreds of KMs away from the front, and tell me how that goes. It’s not possible at the moment, the connection will break.
@@MYwinters1945 You’re telling me drones have been operated through concrete? Nope. RF doesn’t pass well through concrete. It’s possible they can maneuver to look inside of a shelter, but there’s no way it operates inside.
@@mpc7440 the concrete bunkers for planes are not like coffins, they are opened in the rear and front sides, they are against bombs, not drones. They could make concrete coffins but I guess it takes a lot of time. I know its relatively easy to do that, thats why I guess there is a good reason that we, regular civilians, ignore.
Concerning shelters on airfields here in Czech Republic we had several military airfields and even civillian airfields usually had at least 10 protected hangars. But during recent two decades some imbeciles decided to remove most of those.
With modern missiles - hangars comfort aside are not much protection for their housed assets just ask OTAN about their heavily fortified command posts in Ukr and how they faired. 👍
@@xmeda Hangars be they superficial shelters or "hardened" are if little protective capacity. Then there is lidar and other scanning techniques that can penetrate and give info on what's in them. Hence a futile waste of time and resources. War is a mugs game anyway and time to move beyond it as a species.
@@pierrebroccoli.9396 But they would have to use expensive missile and not inexpensive drone that will just drop 1 small greenade on a plane that is left out in the open and damage it enough to make it inoperable, that is the difference. Also how can you recon with aerial drone how many planes are on the airfield. If all are lets say 10 shelters but you don't know what is underneath them if empty space or a plane.
Both countries don't put a lot of emphasis on their airforces. I'm not sure how you imagine a suitable shelter for parked aircraft should look like. But I suppose it would have to be rather big, considering how large these Soviet aircraft are. And it would have to be sturdy enough to shield the aircraft from drones and cluster ammunition. The constraint may not be the cost in money, but how many construction crews are needed, that could otherwise build fortifications for the land forces, which seem to be more important for both countries.
Because you don’t understand that these aircraft are active in flying missions they’re then tracked and destroyed because they have to land at an airfield then towed to a shelter You cannot land a jet straight into a fortified shelter it has to land at an airfield first That small window of opportunity is when they’re hit Notice these jets were hit immediately after a day of extensive bombing missions in Volvchansk dropping French HAMER bombs
@@jonnes__4657 won't be that easy... as they loose territory, they will need to cover less and less area, so they can continue with pointless resistance fed by western warmongers for years.
Meanwhile pro-UKR channels claim that RUS is losing 6 times more 😂. They will not explain how this is possible, when RUS has 5 more times artillery, not to mention the constant FABs all over the front. It goes to show you how delusional they are.
Planes aren't much good if the runways aren't serviceable. If bombing concentrations are on runways, planes regardless of their condition are rendered ineffective. Granted runways can be fixed but not moved. Aircraft can be moved and hidden much easier than a runway. The F16 needs improved runways and this will be a problem for their deployment.
@@johnulmer6715 i agree. I also think moving planes would be hard without a runway. Servicing a runway may also put engeniers and equpment at risk.f16 pose a host of problems..runways.. personel ..and if solved..will bring them to Aad..and superior aircraft. The whole thing is a mess.
@@bokidimi5215 it due to rapid deployment, having them out can get the load and set out faster, that and unlike western aircraft, Soviet aircraft can deal with wether and rust a bit better
It must feel great for US taxpayers see their hard earned money go for some rich ukrainian building an yatch instead of building a shelter to cover these very expensive aircraft.
Hardened shelters are expensive. In 1999, a hardened shelter [HAS] for a single aircraft would have cost the USAF $4 million, and this would not have included the cost of building hardened shelters for aircraft spare parts and other equipment, command and control etc. At that time, the likelihood of a direct hit was minimal. Nowadays, the liklihood of a direct hit is very high. The HAS is at a fixed, easily identifiable position. Satellite surveillance enables aircraft movements in and out of shelters to be monitored.
Why people can’t imagine how jets are being hit Because you don’t understand that these aircraft are active in flying missions they’re then tracked and destroyed because they have to land at an airfield then towed to a shelter You cannot land a jet straight into a fortified shelter it has to land at an airfield first That small window of opportunity is when they’re hit Notice these jets were hit immediately after a day of extensive bombing missions in Volvchansk dropping French HAMER bombs
Soviet/Russian designed planes work very differently that Western Designs, and this is part of why you do not see shelters built. The Russian design places an emphasis on the ability to operate on and out of a primitive airbase. Actual air intake while taxing is not under the aircraft wing, but above it. This has the very large advantage of greatly reducing debris that can be sucked into the engine. Western designed aircraft need a pristine airfield in order to operate. We walk the entire runway twice a day, looking for the smallest stone or stick, because that can destroy our aircraft. A disadvantage of an above wing intake, is getting enough airflow in a restrictive space, such as a protective shelter. This was not seen as an issue with design, because it was assumed that satellite surveillance would allow any attackers to know which shelters were being used and which were not, and that would be true for both sides. If the satellites were knocked out, then the Russian designs ability to operate on less than pristine airfields would give them an advantage. The Russians, in this war, could build taxing devices to move their aircraft in and out of shelters, and the Ukrainians do not have satellite capabilities, but the Russians are operating under the assumptions, that the US and NATO are providing this satellite capability. Remember, even without drones, there is no airbase in the Ukraine where the Russians are not constantly keeping it under satellite surveillance. They would know which hangers are occupied and which are not. Each side keeps pulling their bases farther back from the front, because both sides have become very good at shotting down incoming cruise missiles, so attacks on the airbases is more effectively done by drones now. As drone technology, and especially armament, improves, the game of moving airbases will become increasingly common. Each side is taking actions when there are improvements in tech.
Weeb isn’t talking about hangars. He’s talking about aircraft shelters which would cover individual spots on a flightline. They do work, and the US used them (and still does) on OCONUS USAF bases. The idea that drones, at least in 2024, are constantly surveying every airfield is nonsense. Perhaps that may be the case in the future, but not now.
You forgot to mention Two trains carrying Ukrainian military equipment were hit by Iskander missiles in the Zaporizhia region, about 50 kilometers from the front line. The first train was hit at the station in the village of Ukrajinka, and the Russians claim that it was carrying American M113 vehicles, BUK-M1 anti-aircraft systems, BMP-1 armored personnel carriers and trucks. The effect is significant given that the composition is affected. On the same day, not far from Ukrainka, at the station in Volnjanska, a train carrying Ukrainian T-64 tanks was also hit by Iskander missiles.
fighter bomber channel is a bs-guy similar to like military summary. Not having spares, or having them inflatable is a possibility. too. Ukr air force is heavily attrited anyway.
Because you don’t understand that these aircraft are active in flying missions they’re then tracked and destroyed because they have to land at an airfield then towed to a shelter You cannot land a jet straight into a fortified shelter it has to land at an airfield first That small window of opportunity is when they’re hit Notice these jets were hit immediately after a day of extensive bombing missions in Volvchansk dropping French HAMER bombs
Because you don’t understand that these aircraft are active in flying missions they’re then tracked and destroyed because they have to land at an airfield then towed to a shelter You cannot land a jet straight into a fortified shelter it has to land at an airfield first
Because you don’t understand that these aircraft are active in flying missions they’re then tracked and destroyed because they have to land at an airfield then towed to a shelter You cannot land a jet straight into a fortified shelter it has to land at an airfield first That small window of opportunity is when they’re hit Notice these jets were hit immediately after a day of extensive bombing missions in Volvchansk dropping French HAMER bombs
Irishmen joining the Union Army to make a living must've felt like switching from the fire to frying pan. Still treated like crap for many years after, too.
"Fortified positions" have lost any meaning after the arrival of FABs. No matter how many times Denyes (Denys denies) spelled "game changer", Russians finally showed him what it means. He can't stop crying.
Well not really FABs are air fuel burst bombs (which is why they don’t hit buildings directly it would waste the blast wave) Not only that but their range isn’t great enough to reach the jets Missiles work just fine
@@yangerjamir0906 Let's be real, NATO pilots haven't been shot at since _Desert Storm_ and given that they would now face a proper enemy bristling with AA and considering that it costs 6 million dollars to train a single pilot for a 110 million dollar plane it's highly unlikely we'll see any foreign pilots in foreign planes over Ukraine any time soon.
@@mnk9073 It's not unlikely but even if it does happen, it wouldn't matter. That's like throwing a handful of rocks at a fully armored knight and expect to do damage.
Because satellites have to orbit and don’t have live feed The drones provide quicker intel they knew that they were using those jets to drop HAMER bombs on Volvchansk so they were tracked locked and clocked immediately
I gave that some thought, Weeb, and my take is that the fighters are hidden when not in use (not sure where, but obviously not in hangars, as you're getting at). But they have to eventually surface before attacking, and for that short time they are exposed, so they look like sitting ducks even though lots of people are prepping them, and they are sitting ducks at that time, but only for a relatively small period until they take off. So, the high-altitude drone footage tells me that the airfield was being watched, likely for hours, until enough fighters had surfaced and were being prepped for flight, and then WHACK!
Finally someone with a brain you’re damn close to figuring it out but they’re actually tracked returning from bombing missions and then hit You can’t simply land a jet straight into a fortified shelter for some reason people can’t comprehend that they must first land at an airfield
anyone know where the good people of these villages and towns are as the fighting catches up with them to become front line , are they staying home or fleeing
The battleships could be to protect their flanks and it gives any "enemy" entrance close to them to become a legitimate 🎯. It's an idea 💡 it doesn't mean a "start" of an offensive.
Weeb re plane shelters: yesterday I heard of the Japanese find tech that prevents cameras to see through infrared. I suppose planes can be seen "though walls" as the tech we already have. Zo, we musta speaka to the Japanese!
Hardened shelters are essential to protect air assets. I concur with you entirely that both sides have little regard for husbanding their expensive planes and this is criminally insane!
Because you don’t understand that these aircraft are active in flying missions they’re then tracked and destroyed because they have to land at an airfield then towed to a shelter You cannot land a jet straight into a fortified shelter it has to land at an airfield first That small window of opportunity is when they’re hit Notice these jets were hit immediately after a day of extensive bombing missions in Volvchansk dropping French HAMER bombs
You should consider that they *are* building shelters - possibly disguised as other buildings - and that the planes being struck are decoys deliberately placed to attract attacks. I'm not saying that has happened every time, but the use of decoys has been extensive. They also may have been relying on the fact that the Russian recon drones either couldn't travel that far or that air defenses were previously shooting them down.
They have shelters and no these jets were tracked returning to base after dropping HAMER bombs on volchansk What you’re suggesting would only work if you just never used your aircraft which is dumb You can’t get around the fact that if your bombing the enemy they now know you have birds high and you have to return somewhere they wait for them to land and blow them up
RF uses variety of missiles/drones to strike UA key infrastructure, basically they use anything what can fly, less useful pieces as distraction to overwhelm anti-aircraft/missile/drone defenses
Because we know they were actively bombing with French HAMER bombs in that vicinity earlier in the day Which means they were pulled out of shelters into active combat
Reason for not having shelters on airports is Soviet military doctrine, that use the airspace of Warsaw pact, for preventing incursion at Ukraine or Russia airspace. That make the building of airports cheaper inside former USSR territory, and it is obvious that neither Ukraine or Russia did not modernize or change the same doctrine, leaving airports extremely vulnerable to direct attack not only in mutual conflict, but in any future conflict with any other state or organization.
Complete nonsense The reason they aren’t in shelters is because they were actively flying bombing missions earlier that day. I don’t know if you know this but you can’t simply land a jet into a fortified shelter they have to land then be towed in They’re tracked after returning to base then destroy with missiles shelters would not make a difference anyway because they watch them land and those missiles are built to penetrate bunkers
1. It takes time to build solid shelter for the jets. 2. FPV drones are watching airfields for a long time before confirming the location of jets and the call ISKANDERs to do the job.
They do use shelters but these jets were actively flying missions dropping French HAMER bombs They’re tracked on return to base and you can’t simply land straight into a fortified shelter
