New German and French Tanks Revealed! 

btw, war thunder >

In 2023 Germany together with Spain, Italy and Sweden announced to be working on the successor for the Leopard 2, seperatally from the MGCS. It remains unclear if the MGCS program is still ongoing and I actually highly doubt it. Also none of the tanks shown at the expo are currently undergoing a procurement program so these are very unlikely to be the actual replacements...

I hate war thunder and world of tanks, they are both a scam

LOL @ this really poor effort of propaganda. Every one of our tanks, in the west, have been exposed as utterly useless on today's battlefield. They were all claimed to be the "best" by the USA and NATO. LOL, the remains of which, can be found scattered all across the Ukrainian battlefield in pieces, or others being displayed in Moscow to the world, for the outright rubbish they all were. But these new, modern tanks will be better? Hahaha like everything else, then? But read the uneducated comments from all those, who really believe they're in the know? Hilarious idiocy, filling the threads as always.

I havent played for more than 120 Days but cant activate the Code. Is it not COMBAT for already created Accounts?

Bruhhh

12.7

I agree!

@@HaxorMy 12.7 should honestly already exist. With these new tanks being 13.7 or so.

Theyll play 2.0 with me

Certify as "BRUH MOMENT"

And Dronеs , dronеs , dronеs .

Average military procurement moment

​@@Artofbars2 😳

At the earliest.

What’s the lore?

And even closer to the blacks ops 2 one.

@@a3cools115 CSAT, The east wind device (jk although I guess that can be a metaphor for technology improving), The art style of vehicles in 2035, Drones, Apex protocol, NATO. Ukraine is like Harvest Red from Arma 2 and more stuff

When will we get super cool Viper Stealth suits or the CSAT's exoskeleton uniform?

It's funny how moderate Arma 3 was on the futurism compared to real life.

Even though not mentioned in the video i think all the thanks here can either use the new calibers or a 120.

i think this guns are german

@@mariusrealy9579 not really, the 130mm is a pure rheinmetall concept but the Ascalon 120 and 140mm are KNDS babies so franco-german.

​@@mariusrealy9579: The "Ascalon" gun(120 or 140 mm) is French, comes from Nexter now KNDS France. They fire telescopic shells. In Germany the gun maker is Rheinemetal and they produce a 130 mm with traditional ammo for their KF51 Panther. The Rheinmetal gun is just a bigger sized traditional gun whereas Ascalon is a technological breakup.

@@D8141the important aspect of the ASCALON is that it uses the same breach for both. That means that, according to KNDS, a crew of 4 can change the size of the gun in less than 30 minutes, just needing a crane.

Yhe they do that a shitload on presentations but they do seem to tone down all the fancy looks if it goes into service, look for example at something like the KF 41 Lynx, or Ajax.

THE FUTURE IS NOW OLD MAN!

its only for showing but not for using, and they will be soo expensive none of them will go full production and nato will keep the old tanks designed in the 80s

@@baryonyx9241I think it’s super cool they show off the sci fi stuff

im commenting on this to boost the algorithm in your favor.

@@pareidoliack x2

Bonk is stronk

Where?

@@Chris-ql9bu they said the is-7 few months ago was being sent to Patriot park, which they were going to restore it.

that game is so dead now

@@gunmasterx1164 its mostly pve focused now but it ha sits playerbase

Are there any people still playing that game?

@@DraxTheDestroyer i quit playing after i couldn't open it

Fr

Ascalon was the weapon used by Saint George to kill the dragon. It is usually shown as a spear but can transform into a sword. The French definitely tried too hard to get an acronym to spell this out (Autoloaded and SCALable Outperforming guN).

@@IntrospectorGeneral They are French, what do you expect :D

Well there's a plane named Vador and a satellite named Yoda.

When people string together awkward words to form an acronym, it's called a "backronym." As in, they worked backwards from the one result they already wanted.

they only do that if it fits thegame unofficial goal wich is to show soviet crap as superior to western/german stuff. Look only how the T-64s cannot meet Leopard 2 A4 in game. Yeah : ,,Leopard 2 came later into service yada yada yada....." Meanwhile Tiger 2 have to fight T-54 and T55s 🤡

This is the internet not Tokyo.

@@azieldaly2965 Bruh, try find the hint of what op's talking about in the other comments lol

​@@Bayofthe91sti think bro confused about "Gaijin" not everyone plays Warthunder or knows that Gaijin is a game company, so normally Gaijin is a Japanese word

@@i_run_on_headpats exactly lol

pretty much. wonder how much of this is for media coverage and wall posters vs usability. cant be that cheap or good with that many edges.

@@jklbubbublkj7939yes, like lets be real, the arbrams X side skirt shape has no advantage besides looks. on the other side, convincing the public … war is an industry, after all

it sure has to do with PR - those shapes would be a nightmare to produce...makes me wonder if they even intend to build them - or just BILL for them.

Really?? Is it something official? Nether heard about it. What I’ve heard about was Italy is thinking of buying 250 Leopard 2A7. That was about a year ago, maybe more

@@efrosvovelu9076 italy (Leonardo) wasplanning to buy the leopard 2a8 but the contract with knds didnt go as planned so they went with the kf51

@@efrosvovelu9076 The leopard order was canceled. They negotiate currently with Rheinmetall about the development and manufacturing of a specialized version of the KF41 for Italy - and the lynx. But it shouldn't be signed yet

@@efrosvovelu9076 Not really. Leonardo and Rheinmetall signed an agreement. The details of such agreement are not known. We shall see what they'll produce for Italy. It might be a KF51, it might not.

Did they stop the modernization of the Arietes?

When will they start developing unmanned tanks so us WoT and WT players get to enjoy ww3 from safety of our homes?

@@vanjamenadzer POTUS Bartholomew will ensure such a great idea is enacted once he takes power.

Also Whats the point about tank caliber more than 120mm, bigger caliber = less ammunition space right.

@@Count_Gustav further range, bigger kaboom.

@@sovieticodiabetico6874 What about the barrel life?

@@moisesezequielgutierrez In fact, better since you need less pressure for the same effect.

Т14 Armata - cannon 152 mm .

Did they mention anything about India buying it, I know they showed interest in the Leclerc a few years ago when the T-14 flopped. I figured part of the reason for evolution was export to India

@@wifi_soldier5076 I'm not sure we can export tanks, we don"t produce the chassis and the engine anymore, so we just improve the tanks we already have... I hope we'll change that with the conflicts in the world, and with how the Rafale and the Caesar are successful, I'm sure plenty of coutries would love to buy french tanks

Western weapon manufacturing has really been left to rot. It's really terrible.

The name it's because its a demonstrator. It could be a step to the Leopard X or Leopard 2A9

That depends on how far the double trunion extends the arc of the gun. If it extends it up to 60° for example the tank can straight up turn into a makeshift howitzer. That's certainly going to be handy, and will be a capability worth exploring.

Thank you - great info👍 …wasn’t there a naval gun in WW2 that tried this?

It’s not always about armor speed or firepower..

I think it's sad that the tank is in purpose made extra depressed. Tanks a lot life...

never, gaijin hates france

The moment they add t14 and f22 with su57

Tomorrow

Never Gaijin hates France

i need it so bad, it looks soooo goooood

7.7*

​@@petrikchamula1670Make a premium version at 6,7*

@@nicolasfliedl1009cant forget about that one, its essential

Sadly its Western European so we might see BR decompression in Top Tier at last or Maus vs T80

@@nicolasfliedl1009 put it at 6.7 then raise the br to 15.0 after a month. That's the gaijin way 😉

The Tau also have a pretty French attitude. Concidence? I think not.

Russia fight like the impérial guarde

@@jean-philippebobin3732 The Soviet Union is similar to the imperium, like all these commissars who execute their own soldiers, infantry assaults causing hundreds of thousands of losses, etc. But Russia is fighting differently now. We have fewer losses than the Ukrainians, although your propaganda may say the opposite. Russia mainly fights with artillery. By the way, forced mobilization and executions of personnel are now quite common in Ukraine, just look at their well-known “counter-offensive,” which can be clearly described as a meat assault. And yes, this tank will remain an expensive toy just to stroke your pride and show how advanced your science is. In Russia we also have a lot of all sorts of expensive combat vehicles and aircraft, but they are not used in a full-scale war because they are expensive.

@@olisk-jy9rz Tau is obviously something like Korea or Japan. It doesn't smell like France at all.

@@MadmanRussich the French are not eldar ???

The germans tried hard previously, and now the Rafale sells more than the Eurofighter, french can do anything on their own, even a nuclear powered catobar aircraft carrier, only nation outside the US to be able to achieve that.

I believe Eurosatory takes place only ever other year, so he has 20 months or so to save ^^

Dont you need to be some fancy analyst or defense employee to go there tho?

@@xxxm981 not on the last day its free, but every other one you just have du pay (or be press)

@@xxxm981 Don't know about fancy, there was at least one german youtuber I know of who was invited to go to film and report for his channel.

​@@xxxm981the security is bad you can even go in with some social hacking and osint

Imma be real it just looks like a polygon blob

@@bagelmaster2498 yeah, like someone got lost in CAD-software for a few weeks..without ever thinking about manufacturing..

Who and why do you think that?

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@@marijnnn4992 Because it is a loitering munition. This concept is well over a decade now but no one was traiding half of ammo rack for it until lancet videos started popping en masse.

30 mm really isn't that good of idea. Main reason - lack of radar on tank itself. And even if tank crew will detect drone with their eyes they probably still couldn't destroy it because you can simly send a few lancets from different directions and it's pretty much cooked

@@SpookySm1le the turret has intergrated fire support for drones watch the video

@@wraith600original1 it has radar for lock but it doesn't have one for 360 search

That'll come with MGCS

Not really. He talks about "shot traps" and "exposed elements" on these vehicles like it's a video game. Let me assure you that when your vehicle takes a direct hit from anything, things will break regardless and you will have to return to base for repairs.

@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire you know shot traps are dangerous like with the panther from ww2 it suffered heavy losses due to its shot trap (ricocheting is a thing not just in games) and exposed places could be weak spot for drone (as u see with the russo ukraine war) Yes stuff will break but those are the risks of war you take stuff in and you might not return with it

@@ghostpost. Modern APFSDS doesn't ricochet, when the dart doesn't go through it simply shatters. It's not WW2 anymore. And if the Russo-Ukrainian war shows one thing, than that such complains don't matter, because as soon as an explosive is dropped on the tank it's a mission kill either way, because things like the optics etc. get damaged. And you cannot armor these elements enough to be invincible, so don't bother at all. The T-14, Leopard 2 ARC 3.0 and EMBT ADT-140 are doing it right.

@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire apfsds most certainly can ricochet but like you said it will just shatter/split I mentioned the panther as its a famous example of the dangers of shot traps Yes but like I said you should expect these things to get destroyed and/or damaged Tbf they're newer and are more adapted to modern age combat

just beautiful only

@@rmngrnk6752 Better than the competition.

You mean German and French?

​@@rmngrnk67521 Leopard destroyed 150 T-90Ms in Ukraine It hold record Shut up 🤡🤡🤡

Modern western and Soviet era military vehicles owes a lot to German engineering for their conception after WW2

Because Gaijin won't want to add these as russia won't stand a chance.... Imagine the French tree getting the Leclerc Evolution or embt 2024, the best players in the game getting the best tanks. No amount of russian bias will help them 😂

Meatriding a tank, how is that even possible​@@wifi_soldier5076

@@wifi_soldier5076 LOL, tank that is basically 'Armata at home' being best? Kiddo, you just shown 2000x more bias than Gaijin ever did, please...

⁠@@KuK137if the ‘home’ where the “armata at home” is made is ANYWHERE but Russia, it’ll be made better. Even France copied the design exactly, it’ll be made better by them than the Russians.

Russian Tank: never took a part in real battle NAFO: its shit hahah Western tank: never took part in real battle Z: its shit hahah Literally different sides of the same coin, but redarded coin

@nucleus691 does not necessarily reduce armor capacity depending on how you store it. However it already has been said that they can also ad a coax mg

they all have a coax. The new embt got a 20 mm coaxial cannon , while the leclerc evo still use a 50 call as a coax like all leclerc.

What makes you think they don't have a coaxial, lol?

@@olisk-jy9rz I just didnt see it on the first EMBT and the 2nd one just doesnt have one. Leopard 2ARC doesnt have a coaxial MG either.

@@nucleus691 the 2ARC does not, indeed, have a coax but i wouldn't worry about it since it's just a prototype. Go to 5.40 and look to the right of the gun (your right). You should be able to see the mg.

Don’t forget the Tiger 1 with a panther turret

Yup - surprised he said that as WG themselves describe the game as _Arcade_ rather than _Realistic_ .

"That one bounced"

The panther with a gun that would break of its own weight, so absurdly long.

The text is provided by the sponsor, not him. Let him have a bit of money for his work.

I've been saying so too

there is a difference between knowing the solution and having it, Ukraine shows us the difference since basically none of the tankd have remote weapons stations

@@nicolaspeigne1429 yes, because it's a poor eastern european country fighting off the largest artillery army in the world, with a fraction of the resources given to them to fight, let alone come up with actual solutions, while germany and france are so wealthy, that they can bankroll poor countries out of poverty, when it suits them.

@@slugma1054 both armies have mainly soviet era MBTs in Ukraine

​@slugma1054 >fraction of the resources >from 38 countries >largest army in Europe >"fighting off" 💀💀💀

Engineers are already scrambling to get solutions about that, for example the leclercs foŕwatd ammo drum has been replaced by ew systems, probably including anti drone jamming

Imo another option is making tanks also cheaper to produce (which probably wont happen)

@@ilililil490 i don't think the crewmen would appreciate being put into steel coffins

Crew comfortability of a russian tank​@@ilililil490

@@leguman5289 You don't necessarily need to sacrifice quality for cheaper tanks. A lot can be done in the supply chain side which can make production cheaper.

Especially from France of all places

We already had some tank demonstators with all sort of radars, autocannons and other high tech in the past. All of them didn't go into production, because putting all that stuff on single vechicle makes it very expensive, hard to mantain and any loss of such vechicle would be more costly. It is just better to make a dedicated VSHORAD system to keep drones away from tanks, for example.

@@cybernetic_crocodile8462 I think Russia figured this out with their Pantsir platform. Weapons for dedicated roles fare much better than one expensive weapons platform that tries to do it all.

The key word is "have".

@@wwlb4970 Is it tho? They literally told you you won't see these tanks on the battlefield until 2040. They're further behind in development and testing than the T14 they copied from.

@@olisk-jy9rz Thinking that anyone copied something which barely exists and was a copy in the first place is kinda hilarious, but OK.

@@wwlb4970 Т-14 был копией Объект-195, да.

@@user-gf3yh4pe7p *copy of m1 abrams

it depends on how the development of these vehicles go. If some don't make it into service their tech will certainly be involved with something else.

Oh no - a demonstrator that is never adopted. Several of the presented features will be adopted in one way or another. And yes, none of these vehicles will enter production in the shown configuration.

@@dnkal2875 unlikely. Those vehicels or one of them will most likely become the step before the mgcs.

@@emilsinclair4190 there will be no MGCS. you just cant work with the french.

​@@nox5555you can, you only need to satisfy what the french want, because they aint about to make something that doesnt suit their need, its understandable, the whole point of collaboration is to find a compromise that suits both need, but when it comes to more specialised high tech stuff, the need for specialty may take precedence. I just think Germany especially cant work with France because both doctrine are wildly differant and both seeks wildly differant thing, so yea it may not result in a finished product, but i'll provide the innovation for both country to make their own, Germany a tank that sells well, the French a work of art thats most likely marvelous to fight with but due to high price may just be to valuable to engage haha

2040

Хаха, классика

I don't think i've seen many people complain about the turret. More about its engine and its lack of production effort.

​@@HoBoeBpeM9lhush down kid

@@HoBoeBpeM9l hush down kid

@@NoSaysJonatard upset lmao

AI will help you change a track by yelling at you.

It will supplement it, but I think the idea is that the "4th crew" will be replaced with the base crew.

Tbf the Russians have been doing fine with 3. 2 would certainly be too few crew members though.

@@102ndsmirnov7 yeah, they have such a great reputation for reliability, after all.

Dude thinks tanks travel alone instead of ever having a close army of personnel to do all those things.

US keeps upgrading the Abrams. Also no new tank announced =/= no new tank released. Last I remembered a large part of the M1 was kept under lock and key until 1981

The US focuses more on Air and Naval power. It shares no real land border with any imaginable enemy.

@@belgianfried they didnt keep it underlock, they had to cover up alot of stuff. Also the US is the Nato Country that needs a new MBT the most. The Upgrade potential is way to limited and some parts like the gun are 20 years behind everyone else.

Majority of that money gets pocketed by raytheon

@@connivingkhajiitTrue. Most of the US defence budget is actually embezzled. Purchasing "military grade" axes, boots for $2000 dollar piece. National taxpayer robbery.

From 10 miles away and squinting, maybe.

I think the concept light tank from Poland paved the way for the aesthetics. Even though it was only a mockup.

@@stupidburp more specifically I meant everyone is demo’ing tanks with 3 crew and an unmanned turret, with innovations designed to tackle the modern battlefield we are seeing unfold in Ukraine. Which general dynamics did a while ago with the abrams x. You could also credit the T-14 but I don’t know if that one counts.

we do have the Type 10 in WT so we could see some of these vehicles in WT.

They won't do anything

Considering the last we saw of the T14 was it's inability to drive more than 500 meters before breaking down. The fact that the T-90 program was only able to be completed with the financial support of India and other partners ordering tanks before the design was completed and these partners not being interested in the T-14 and instead developing a model domestically(India & China) or ordering Chinese tanks in the future. I highly doubt Russia will have any significant number of T-14 before 2040

@@teaser6089 The T-14 didn't break down, The driver accidently pressed the brake button

@@faiqanjum9010they had to tow it out bc the driver hit the brakes?

@@islahinckley4746 The never towed anything...even the recovery vehicle couldn't tow it because the brake was engaged. If you ACTUALLY watched the full video instead of like the commenter above spread mis-information about that event.

Never!

@@OsinakiKun Air alert! Azimuth 310, the altitude is about 1000

I agree!

Attention to the designated grid square!

@@MrTefe Roger that!

Old news now that most of the countries actually do invest far more in their military. Turns out a military threat changed spending priorities. Also I guess why now instead of just one future tank, their actually also making interim tanks that complete more quickly.

Bro you just described t-14 armata for Russia

NATO is a scam for the European countries so they will do anything to fulfill the quota and get on with their lives. Also 15 years isn't even that long. Also also this new tank is basically a western Armata which is funny to me.

zero dron swarm protection - 🤣 🤣 litt buddy cant read obvious production bottlenecks - they didnt even start production but hey you anonym know it all knows it better 😂 muh gun, tank on tank combat is none existent 🤣 - YEA i wonder why that is maybe because nato doesnt fight any conventional army and ukraine has no fighter planes to actually start an offensive tell me how would that new chassis look like, what new revolutionary features woudl it have mr. tank desginer? 🤣 THIS DUDE IS AN ACTUAL KNUCKELDRAGGER

@@qefewfwdcwdc скоро у Украины появятся истребители НАТО - все они сгорят также, как 300 истребителей из военной помощи до этого

Why? It's not the rod which is telescopic there.

@@RustedCroaker oh, I thought it was the rod

@@handsomeivan1980 He did say its semi-telescopic so I doubt the rod is telescopic.

Isn't developing tanks for the Fulda gap scenario in 2024 is quite irrelevant? muh nuh tunk: nuw fish-fin stabee-laizeed discarding sa-boh raund ziwh advancid antitank ability to counter the Soviet horde* *which must materialise I guess directly from 1989? Or 1985?

@@worldoftancraft yeah but tanks are still useful they aren't designed for one scenario

that's not how it works, but okay lmao.

Most (if not all) ATGMs dont use radar

@@abas656thegodemperor9 atgms are HEAT and/or wire guided.

Dude wants less detection and networking.

....how many airburst munitions have they got against 1000's of Drones......

@blaze1148 you realize a shity fpv drone with an rpg straped to it isn't always a guaranteed kill? And stop acting as if they had thousands to swarm anything on the fields. 30mm airburst is made to take out way bigger drones at more range in one shot than the stuff used in Ukraine. 1 singular shot. Gives something like Kpfpz70 had 2000 round for a 20mm I'd say these have at least 600-800 rounds of 30mm even with 4 shot kills (which they shouldn't need because of baliszic computers) that would be anywhere from 150 to 200 dead drones by tank. Stop acting like drones are wonderweapons , not a single mbt right now has drone radars with ballistic computers for a 30mm with airburst

@@blaze1148 the more drones there are, the cheaper & thus smaller they have to be to balance out the cost; and cheap FPV drones can, and already are vulnerable to electronic warfare - enemy jamming

@@prvt.harumi6821 you don't get it at all. This is a future tank for future wars. Do you think drones in the future are gonna be the same old drones we currently have which are still in their infancy?

@P3RF3CTD3ATH of course. Terrorists still use Stg44s and mosins , in Ukraine people use cheap shitty fpvs over super expensive drones. And drones have ben used since the 70s , that's 50 years. They aren't in their infancy at all

very little to no viable information on it. and even if it where, its probably a similar tank in capability to the TAM from Argentina.

The protection is mediocre and weight is not much below the lighter end of some main battle tanks with better capabilities such as Japan’s Type 10. It fits in the uncomfortable middle range along with most other light tanks and will likely have some serious disadvantages in battle. Better to go heavier with a stripped down MBT or lighter with an armored wheeled vehicle such as Stryker with a dual use direct and indirect fire weapon such as Patria NEMO 120mm gun mortar in a turret. These can be supported by SHORAD Stryker variants.

As a point of reference, when the PLA threatened India with light tanks moved up along the LAC, the Indian Army simply moved some main battle tanks up nearby. The PLA promptly pulled the light tanks back away because they were completely overmatched and easy to spot in a modern battlefield.

They are most likely electronically hardened.

Electronic jamming only really works for wireless stuff. Unless a EMP is used the wires will still be able to transmit information.

@@BlackWolf9988 you really think they didn t think about that ?

Most likely, the odds are like 90%. The manufacturers normally show off the fanciest and least conventional models to show off what the tank can use.

Mockups

yes

Modular armour means its more protected most likely And since both are unmanned turrets and both have APS the level of protection isnt an issue.

Where does it show thinner turret than t14?

Yeah, weight...... weight is the little detail left out from ALL those tanks presentations. Which means it's absolutely in the "ISSUE" range

bnwo

@@olisk-jy9rz It wasn't left out at least for the Leclerc, it's between 58 and 60 tons

Less than current turrets because they will have much less armor because they don’t need to protect crew. The chunkyness also comes from rubber and simply empty air space between metal armor walls. So they are not as heavy as they look like.

I think that 120mm is still enough for now and if going up should go all the way to 155mm in a dual use artillery piece and tank destroyer.

@@stupidburp yeah... no the reason these companies are likely going for the 140mm is likely because there is pre existing research for them, and the 140 offers a significant improvement over the 120 while not having severe downsides outside of requiring new munitions to be procured, while the 120 is still adequate most of these guns designed to be transitioned into a 140 are designed with the idea that while a 140 might not be needed now, there is a good likely hood that they might be needed in the future and when that time comes these systems allow for quick and easy conversion, meanwhile a 155 while possible would require a lot of development and research which these companies don't want to spend for likely only marginal improvements over the 140 they have now also a dual use artillery and tank cannon would be a terrible idea for a lot of reasons not the least bit being that artillery and tank guns have wildly different requirements so you'd be left with a gun not able to do either job very well at which point the gun is kind of useless, there is a reason why we can use auto cannons for both anti ground and anti air roles and its because those weapons lend themselves decently to either role, not so much artillery and tank guns.

The current Leclerc already uses electronic ignition. 140mm guns are nice beacuse in addition to the extra punch, they can fire atgm with a decent warhead, or smart shells.

@@foxzz1999 so I only just realizing my mistake as I was talking about electro-chemical ignition and not Electronic ignition as that has been a thing on a lot of large weapons for a long while now even tanks like the ww2 panther had that, my bad if it caused confusion

Armata might not be shit if they can actually build it😂

More likely it is to give it light armor for protection against fragmentation damage to the barrel or cooling. (They most certainly will have active cooling for signature reduction)

Did they mention that the barrel was supposed to be stealthy? The barrel cover might actually be for infrared-signature reduction.

You're right but russian propoganda bot?

@@T72_turret_space_programme No bot, no sides. Just observation^^

@@josephsmith688 oke then

It might be conceptually viable, provided that the execution doesn't suck like with T-14.

​@@Sombody123objectively, Armata platform is very effective and versatile, and that was all that Russian Army needed. Terminator is a proof to it.

@@v3al0m69 Terminator ALSO sucks.

Ye, this is a Western Armata. Watch all the NATO kiddies froth at the mouth at this super weapon but cry about how bad Armata is loool.

​@@102ndsmirnov7armata is a copy of an western concept, glazing a non-existent tank is crazy work

@@gallendugall8913 hey, it shot 30 shells before… “being rendered operationally unavailable”

RedEffect did mention proxy ammo and an AA like radar to shoot down drones.

@@gunmasterx1164doesnt matter if they have 0 of them does it

@@leight420 Germany has multiple KF-51s

cope

@@avex3903 How is the 3 days operation doing ?

"so you need to rotate the entire turret to use the fancy 30mm airburst thing against drones" - HAHAHAAAHHAA

You are just jealous European always make the sexiest and the better tanks....

T14 is a knock off of the US M1 TTB build nearly 30 years earlier

Cyberpunk T-14

Or rather Cyberpunk Object 195 (T-95)

@@Alpha1598753when did that tank enter service again?

@@leight420 Do tanks need to enter service to be copied ?