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New King? Vortex Razor Gen III 6-36x56 First Impressions 

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"It's a $3,000 Tangent, just not as...."
The Gen 3 Razor HD dropped. We bought some. They came. We dragged out the Tangent, ZCO, Kahles, March and the Gen 2. We compared, then we talked to the camera.
Is this the new go-to optic for a PRS shooter? Probably worth watching and finding out what we thought.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:51 Expectations
01:08 Unboxing
02:16 First Impressions
03:52 Range Testing
05:29 Optics Comparing
07:10 Vortex User Thoughts
08:04 Tangent User Thoughts
09:21 Test Overview
10:10 Outro
Links:
Razor: vortexoptics.com/razor-hd-gen-iii-6-36x56.html
Website: area419.com
Facebook: area419
RU-vid: ru-vid.com/show-UCrfJVsqPy3nBpuVh_n-HKyQ

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Комментарии : 232   
@Carriesaglock
@Carriesaglock 8 месяцев назад
Just ordered one from Europtic on sale $2,499 in a special run of black. Can’t wait to get it in my hands.
@kellyhill2410
@kellyhill2410 2 года назад
Appreciate the time! Seems like a great scope! I think I’m going to grab a Gen II and get a deal since there’s some good discounts out there and with my skill level, the Gen II is more than enough for me right now until I can get better
@p47rr
@p47rr 2 года назад
I bought a Gen II three months ago. Warne skyline mount with their bubble level. Warne throw lever. Absolutely love my set up.
@erikcr80
@erikcr80 2 года назад
Vortex needs to step up their flipcap and throw lever game BAD
@5RWill
@5RWill 2 года назад
Incredible first impressions. I'm excited to get mine in.
@gerard0l6569
@gerard0l6569 2 года назад
Great to see a real non biased review and opinions. The new gen 3 looks like the best bang for the buck
@gunguy308
@gunguy308 2 года назад
I want this for my NRL22/NRL22X rifle. 10 yard parallax, shooting a 1/4" target at 50 yards at 36x will be epic
@Guitarjourney4life
@Guitarjourney4life 2 года назад
Being an Area 419 fanboy I trust your opinions, however am very happy with my Valdada G2
@PrecisionRifleNetwork
@PrecisionRifleNetwork 2 года назад
My AtHloN…Is jUst aS Gud. ;)
@jamessammann9183
@jamessammann9183 Год назад
What model atjlon
@JacksonMalcolm
@JacksonMalcolm 2 года назад
The guys you chose are accurate representations of the two camps. If I could I'd be a tangent snob, or even zco. But for now I'll stay a minox snob and I'm pretty happy being one.
@5RWill
@5RWill 2 года назад
Man the ZP5 doesn't lose much to ZCO or TT, contrarily it's right there with them. You just don't hear people shouting about them.
@redrock425
@redrock425 2 года назад
The part I most appreciated was that you put it in perspective, Lambo's Vs Ferrari's 👍
@DrEvil74
@DrEvil74 2 года назад
I've used a lot of scopes and the S&B 5-25x56 with Locking MTC turrets and H59 reticle is superb. It just works every time. The optics are sublime. Now the S&B 5-45x56 with Tremor3 reticle and double turn locking turrets looks to be the new king. I'll see if the parallax knob is a rangefinder like the 5-25x56. As others have said, the S&B gives you options. The only scopes I now own are S&B and March. To my eyes, the S&B glass is amongst the best available at any price. I really liked the March, but the S&B is like a high end German car. If you like them, you'll love them forever. They just feel right. If it comes down to cost, the prices of everything have become ridiculous. the S&B is a buy once cry once option. But your own eyes will tell you what you like and your preference on feel will probably be the ultimate decider. I have never been let down in a match by my S&Bs and the lack of a lifetime warranty is irrelevant to me. I don't want to have to use the warranty ever, so please give me a scope that will not fail. Sorry if this comes across as shilling for S&B, but I buy with my own money what suits my needs and I had the good fortune to be able to use most brands on the market over a short period of time. I have 7 S&B's (5 x 5-25x56's) and 2 x March. I sold everything else. The S&B's just work. Good on the other brands for offering choice and providing competition.
@alanmeyers3957
@alanmeyers3957 2 года назад
I do not care for the H59 reticle, at all.
@p47rr
@p47rr 8 месяцев назад
I bought a first Gen last year. It was brand new old stock. It’s a great scope.
@iggynator321
@iggynator321 2 года назад
How does this compare with the ATACR 7-35?
@Ravenrifle
@Ravenrifle 2 года назад
I have a few variations of Tangents and ZCOs to compare to the Gen III when it arrives tomorrow. The beauty is I will be able to test every environment within a few days from 0-2500 yds. I expected it to big a massive jump in glass quality from the Gen II simply because the length of time from 2014 to now. I highly doubt it will cut mirage as well as the two top dogs. Fit and finish will also be less than those two, but the Gen III is also street priced at 3k.
@coltonwall6704
@coltonwall6704 2 года назад
Please let me know how it compares!
@Yvirten
@Yvirten 2 года назад
Following this also
@vnohelix
@vnohelix 2 года назад
Following
@prone_wolf8871
@prone_wolf8871 2 года назад
Tag
@ertatta
@ertatta 2 года назад
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
@johnpan78
@johnpan78 Год назад
Thank you for the video. Is it better than the top of the line NF?
@forhumanpeople
@forhumanpeople 2 года назад
They never mentioned if the turrets track correctly, even once? Ya know, the box test for the turrets. All they kept talking about was how clear the glass was. Glass clarity is not on the top of my list bc tracking of turrets matters way more. Repeatability of a shot and different distances, i.e. having turrets that actually measure what they say on them in Mils, is much more important than clarity of glass. Positive identification is done through much bigger glass, like a spotting scope, not the scope that you shoot with on the rifle.
@5RWill
@5RWill 2 года назад
Gen II razors track so I'm sure they expect the Gen III to track.
@redrock425
@redrock425 2 года назад
@@5RWill Which of course it's an assumption, they wouldn't be the first to progress in one area and regress in another. Only one way to know for sure...
@5RWill
@5RWill 2 года назад
@@redrock425 Buy it and use it lol. Already done.
@devinporter1676
@devinporter1676 2 года назад
I’m a nightforce junkie, but recently looked through the Kahles DLR and was impressed. Where does the Vortex Gen 3 fit when compared with the Kahles, and Nightforce Atacr?
@5RWill
@5RWill 2 года назад
Having had a Kahles K525i, the 5-25 ATACR, and now my Gen III. Gen III is considerably better in DOF, FOV, CA control, I think edge to edge clarity I might give the Kahles I haven't seen mine in a while. Gen III is also a good bit better than the 5-25 ATACR optically having owned it as well. I can't speak for the 7-35. I had my ZP5 to compare it to which is in the realm of TT, ZCO, and Schmidt Glass quality and honestly the Gen III matches it in almost every category except I thought the contrast was better on the Gen III which was shocking. Edge to edge clarity went to the ZP5 also. Gen III has a little distortion at the edge of the image. Though it isn't enough to affect function. Turrets are likely the biggest complaint of mine. I'm not wild about them. They're worse than my brothers Gen II Razor, worst than my AMG, Kahles, NF, etc. I'm not a fan thus far. Some people love theirs, maybe it's sample variance. Not a fan of mine.
2 года назад
One thing I like about S&B (that I run) is that I can choose precisely the reticle I need for my purposes. I hope vortex looks into that as well. That said, their reticles can do most of it fairly well.
@Kyle899
@Kyle899 2 года назад
That’s one reason S&B can cost considerably more. When you start making a bunch of options they lose some economy of scale.
@benoitgauv419
@benoitgauv419 2 года назад
I installed them on my survival rifle Chiappa Little Badger. Beautifull
@Clarkshooter
@Clarkshooter 2 года назад
Good video but fix that crooked throw lever lol
@GaryBlankenship96b40
@GaryBlankenship96b40 2 года назад
I thought i was only one that saw that lol
@snakeman48
@snakeman48 2 года назад
I'm using Nightforce AtacR 7-35x56
@GaryBlankenship96b40
@GaryBlankenship96b40 2 года назад
I have always wanted one of your scope clear as a glass
@randyshort4629
@randyshort4629 2 года назад
I love Nightforce!
@madsloper
@madsloper 2 года назад
Thanks for the review, what ring mount was used and how tall is the mount?
@salzafar2030
@salzafar2030 Год назад
Hi, what is that stand the Tangent is mounted on? Thank you for the review. Its very helpful.
@bm.w1135
@bm.w1135 2 года назад
To bad you didn’t test the Leupold Mark5HD alongside those. I bet the review would’ve been different. The value and performance of the Mark5HD is insane seeing its $1000 cheaper than the GenIII.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
We got out all the optics we had!
@bm.w1135
@bm.w1135 2 года назад
@@area419 sometimes you just have to ask the right people 😉
@michael2m000
@michael2m000 2 года назад
I’m actually really curious too how it would compare against the Leupold Mark 5
@kylenaude166
@kylenaude166 Год назад
I’m a huge fan of you guys !!
@laszlovandor4770
@laszlovandor4770 2 года назад
Have the Gen 2 with Horus3. As soon as Gen 3 is out with the Horus3, I will buy it.
@bpintogsxr1000
@bpintogsxr1000 Год назад
Got mine about 2 months ago. Yea, it’s nice.
@Juliamalave8989
@Juliamalave8989 2 года назад
Great video
@NBKarmwrestling
@NBKarmwrestling 2 года назад
How big main tube? How much elevation? You know, the stuff that matters.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
Specs on all of these optics are publicly available and easy to find. We wanted to try to provide a little information that isn't so common.
@NBKarmwrestling
@NBKarmwrestling 2 года назад
@@area419 ahhh, I completely understand. I wasn't sure if you guys left it out because it wasn't released yet. I was a Vortex fan, but recently switched to Athlon. Excited to learn more. I'm currently saving to purchase the Valdada Recon G2. 150 MOA elevation!
@commonsense5709
@commonsense5709 2 года назад
@@NBKarmwrestling Sure looks like this Gen 3 is well above what their best Athlon Cronus has to offer.
@NBKarmwrestling
@NBKarmwrestling 2 года назад
@@commonsense5709 agree 100% I sold both of my athlons. I got a minox. End of story
@Bf1942cod
@Bf1942cod 2 года назад
what new leupold is coming out?
@JohnAdams-mu7xd
@JohnAdams-mu7xd 2 года назад
Epic review!!!
@jassonco
@jassonco 2 года назад
At $4000.00 retail, it IS a hi-dollar optic!
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
$3k will be what they sell for, but yeah, it is. Cheaper stuff exists, but that wasn't the point here.
@warriorman547
@warriorman547 2 года назад
2399 from liberty optics if you call/email them
@precisiondiesel225
@precisiondiesel225 2 года назад
Even if it was $4k, there are other optics out there for double that.
@Kyle899
@Kyle899 2 года назад
It’s like audio equipment. No matter what you think is high dollar, you can always find something that is twice the price. Literally
@dremc94
@dremc94 Год назад
Put some respect on them Dawgs!
@markf3229
@markf3229 2 года назад
Hey Zac. The Tracts leave them all for dead. Right?
@OnePointLander
@OnePointLander 3 месяца назад
Just got one for my Daisy
@meoski420ja
@meoski420ja Год назад
And good clicks! Great review. Just got one for my RPR in .300 PRC and cannot wait to use it!
@opossumfpv
@opossumfpv Год назад
How do you like that setup?
@ufhkbikes
@ufhkbikes 10 месяцев назад
What would Leupold mk5hd falls under - like Ford Mustang ? 😂 is it worth the extra $500 for vortex gen3 .. decision decision😅
@joemeier3644
@joemeier3644 2 года назад
Anymore FOV comparisons or info? Its hard to get a good idea since nothing else really has that mag. range... How is it at 10x, 15×, 25x compared to other scopes it competes with???
@hotmetal459
@hotmetal459 Год назад
What is the grip tape looking protector on the tangent?
@DS-gd1xw
@DS-gd1xw 2 года назад
No Nightforce in this test?!
@randyshort4629
@randyshort4629 2 года назад
Exactly!
@NoelLucas
@NoelLucas 2 года назад
Y'all convinced me. And I resemble that UGA comment.
@UltimateArms
@UltimateArms 2 года назад
how do you find shooting with glasses on. i have tri focals and have trouble looking through my scope with them on??
@alanmeyers3957
@alanmeyers3957 10 месяцев назад
Take them off, click your heels together 6 times and then put them back on, better?
@boxinggloves87
@boxinggloves87 11 месяцев назад
I can't understand why did you guys avoided to showing us the view through the each scope so we can judge the quality. There is a guy C_Does called him on RU-vid and you should check how to do it properly interms of scopes comparison. From his chanell I can easily choose the best scope for the budget but you had razor and tangent next to each other and You didn't let us take a look its really foookin shame.
@area419
@area419 11 месяцев назад
It’s a disservice to quality optics to try to show quality through a camera and screen. Someone else may do it in a way you like, but from our standpoint there’s not a great way to do this and actually show the quality of glass for these optics.
@boxinggloves87
@boxinggloves87 11 месяцев назад
That's why your review is pointless.
@aaronsholar8067
@aaronsholar8067 Год назад
what scope mount did you use?
@area419
@area419 Год назад
We’ve used all sorts, but we recommend you check out our MATCH scope rings or TACTICAL one-piece mount!
@bklynbullet
@bklynbullet Год назад
Hey guys what height spuhr mount is that?
@frostysnowman7221
@frostysnowman7221 2 года назад
Does anyone know what the rainbow colored rifle is? Its so pretty
@laszlovandor4770
@laszlovandor4770 2 года назад
Must be the West Hollywood 69 !
@joeloehlephotography
@joeloehlephotography 2 года назад
Please do this again on a high contrast miragey day. That is where I have seen bigger differences. Low light was good, but overcast seems to make everything similar. Thanks for the video.
@Ravenrifle
@Ravenrifle 2 года назад
Spot on with this comment. I have several of the optics that they compared. I promise the Tangent and ZCO will outperform in the “tough” optical situations compared to the Gen III. However from what I have heard (not seen yet) is it is a massive improvement and I believe it is probably on par with a NF 7-35 ATACR with a better set of features.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
Let us go ahead and tweak the January weather real quick….
@joeloehlephotography
@joeloehlephotography 2 года назад
@@area419 I hesitated to comment about that knowing you have winter weather up there. Which is why I asked to do it again when it is sunny and miragey. I understand that may be a while.
@SuperJlarge
@SuperJlarge 2 года назад
@@Ravenrifle I’ll be interested in your assessment. While the 7-35 has better glass than the 5-25 ATACR, I’ve felt that the ATACR lineup was only slightly better than the AMG/Gen II glass, at least with my examples. To hear claims that it is a big step up from the Gen II leads me to believe it should best the ATACR…but only time will tell. I should have mine tomorrow.
@5RWill
@5RWill 2 года назад
​@@Ravenrifle So you're speculating.
@SuperiorDefense
@SuperiorDefense 2 года назад
Nathan is such an incredible shooter. He can beat my optic any day.
@TheDwchan
@TheDwchan 2 года назад
how it compares to NF ? just curious
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
We don’t have an ATACR around the shop, and none of us have spent a ton of time with one, so not sure we are qualified to answer that. I’m sure someone will chime in or make a review with that in the mix though!
@TheDwchan
@TheDwchan 2 года назад
@@area419 is nice to see vortex products are reaching higher tier while maintaining a more compatible pricing.
@df3624
@df3624 2 года назад
@@area419 Yes I'm very curious to see how this would stand up to an ATACR... I've never considered Vortex to be in the same zip code as a Nightforce or Schmidt & Bender
@samarth5381
@samarth5381 Год назад
3:53 optic name??
@BiztoryTime
@BiztoryTime 2 года назад
I might just be deaf but what model Tangent is the scope in the video/the tangent equivalent to the gen 3?
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
Yes, it’s the 5-25 Gen 3 XR, it’s not an old/dated model.
@BiztoryTime
@BiztoryTime 2 года назад
@@area419 thanks! Might pick one up! Those clicks are too satisfying 😅
@kkgtmproductions5486
@kkgtmproductions5486 2 года назад
What type of sphur mount is that? (Number)
@NathanKLivingston
@NathanKLivingston 2 года назад
SP-4001
@libaax46
@libaax46 2 года назад
Great video - thank's a lot for that. Just ordered one for my Tikka T3X Tac A1 myself. I'm going for a Spuhr base for it, can you tell me which height would be best? Not sure a 30 mm. will clear the Picatinny... Can you give me a piece of advice?
@Arleys617
@Arleys617 6 месяцев назад
38mm if full rail
@zl1booker
@zl1booker 2 года назад
where is the scope made and what kind of glass does it really have? does anybody know for sure?
@ertatta
@ertatta 2 года назад
I understand it is still built in Japan by Light Optics Work. They obviously are capable of very impressive work & quality.
@Kyle899
@Kyle899 2 года назад
Japan, all of vortex’s razor line is made in Japan.
@AndK253
@AndK253 2 года назад
It's a Spuhr, no wedge to level?
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
We were mounting several optics on to rifles with different ring/mount systems, this was the more efficient way to do them all at once with the same tools.
@spasticnerfherder
@spasticnerfherder 2 года назад
serious question, is there any standard or way to quantify "glass quality"?
@Deerslayer1912
@Deerslayer1912 2 года назад
You can use a chart similar to what you have at an eye doctor with the triangle of letters for resolution. Snipers hide has some articles reviewing optics where they talk about the testing methods to address the different optical characteristics
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
There are tools, but at the end of the day we don't have anything that perfectly recreates an eye. It's incredible how complex the eye is, so the general "how good is it" has a lot of subjective. Light transmission efficiency, FOV, resolution, some of those things can be quantified, but really hard to get anything more than a somewhat subjective grading on the whole picture.
@redrock425
@redrock425 2 года назад
@@area419 Try contacting DXOMARK. They test a lot of camera lenses. I've thought for a long time it would be useful to put some scopes through some objective testing.
@rudolphferdinand3634
@rudolphferdinand3634 Год назад
You getting started with PRS long-range competition, by all means, go with high-quality dollar optics…save money.
@timetodopatriotstuff2315
@timetodopatriotstuff2315 5 месяцев назад
Gen 4 might catch up to the Big Guy's but it's not there yet 😂
@lars789
@lars789 2 года назад
anyone know how it compares to the Steiner m7xi?
@ertatta
@ertatta 2 года назад
I’d like to see the newer S&B’s along with the new Steiner’s thrown in this mix. Not thinking NF currently is in this tier.
@mryaj0095
@mryaj0095 2 года назад
Beat up built Honda Civics beats Exotic card tho.... tell me im wrong here😃
@vgl217
@vgl217 2 года назад
Hold up... Is nobody going to mention the fact that they put a gen 3 on a Mosin???
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
Look closer, it's even better than that
@Wond3rland___
@Wond3rland___ 2 года назад
Lmao this is the last place I thought I’d see my Georgia bulldogs get some hate
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
You’re not safe anywhere…
@BodyRocker70
@BodyRocker70 2 года назад
It will work good for about 3 months then you will be sending it back constantly
@NathanKLivingston
@NathanKLivingston 2 года назад
Doubt it
@NotYourFriendPal
@NotYourFriendPal 2 года назад
“Tangent snob” 🤣
@rob1135
@rob1135 2 года назад
My wife wishes I didn’t see this video…. LOL. Sounds like it’s time to replace my Gen II
@acidfly1
@acidfly1 2 года назад
why? just get another rifle to put it on. 300 prc is looking mighty fine.
@kylenaude166
@kylenaude166 Год назад
Please could you buy me one they are so difficult to get here in South Africa ! 😢
@MR619Can
@MR619Can 2 года назад
5999.00 MSRP in Canada....BOHICA
@Porschedoctor1
@Porschedoctor1 6 месяцев назад
Terrible review! Optical comparison of high end scopes WITHOUT a single view through the optics; just a printed image of a reticle. Total amateurs.
@jonathanwatson1243
@jonathanwatson1243 2 года назад
Vortex makes great scopes but I'll stick to Nightforce
@jonasbruzas2651
@jonasbruzas2651 2 года назад
Burris is best.
@jonathanwatson1243
@jonathanwatson1243 2 года назад
@@jonasbruzas2651 To each his own little buddy
@jonasbruzas2651
@jonasbruzas2651 2 года назад
@@jonathanwatson1243 nightforce competition its nice.
@ertatta
@ertatta 2 года назад
Nightforce sources much of what they use in their optics from the same guys in Japan that make the Razor line.
@jonathanwatson1243
@jonathanwatson1243 2 года назад
@@ertatta Imo nightforce is far superior than vortex but vortex isn't no slouch they make great stuff
@jacobbooth5350
@jacobbooth5350 Год назад
its 2oz lighter then 24x
@sabotinhell4u
@sabotinhell4u 2 года назад
hmm 3 guy huddle around a long hard object
@krisaunedi4920
@krisaunedi4920 2 года назад
Cool vlog but if I was buying a new rifle scope if the Tangent Theta then I would definitely buy the Kahles over the Vortex.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
Have you compared the optics you’re making a judgement on?
@krisaunedi4920
@krisaunedi4920 2 года назад
@@area419 Yes I have at my local dealer that carries all of the scopes that you have there. The new Vortex is nice but the glass quality is not like the Kahles. Sorry buddy!!
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
@@krisaunedi4920 no apologies, as long as you’ve compared! Eyes are terribly complex and we all see things different. We have been Kahles shooters for a long time and they make a great optic. As long as you’re making an informed decision, party on!
@krisaunedi4920
@krisaunedi4920 2 года назад
@@area419 No need to apologize to me I just gave you my opinion because I shoot Kahles also and I just think in my opinion that it is hard to beat European glass like Kahles. I didn't mean to piss you off if I did then I am sorry about that.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
@@krisaunedi4920 not at all! The people that piss us off make a statement like you did, but haven’t ever touched the optics they’re passing judgement on. Looooooots of that on the internet lol
@Lowns_300
@Lowns_300 Год назад
Love the scope but can we stop with that color please lol
@jn3750
@jn3750 2 года назад
None of those have gone thru the wringer by the military such as Leupold, NF or SB!
@mlentsch
@mlentsch 2 года назад
That thing sucks compared to my PLx... Spuhr mounts suck. The guy in the Trac5 hat is good; the others are demons.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
Demons - that’s a new one. Thanks for watching!
@rhodesoflife
@rhodesoflife 2 года назад
Meh on the vortex and I'm die hard..... I would have to look through it I guess 🤷🏽. If the glass is that much better than it's worth it 100%.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
Someone should look through a bunch of top-tier optics and give their opinion - maybe in a RU-vid video?
@rhodesoflife
@rhodesoflife 2 года назад
@@area419 that would be a good video. I think there are videos out there but it's hard to say if the poster is biased to one company vs another. Maybe a "blind test" but reticles could give that away also? Not sure lol. Ideas though 🤷🏽🤘🤘 either way you guys rock 🤘🤘
@coltonwall6704
@coltonwall6704 2 года назад
@@rhodesoflife I think you just got sarcasmed hard buddy. Seems as thought Area 419 is good at snarky comments--the few I've browsed through. Quite the turn-off.
@rhodesoflife
@rhodesoflife 2 года назад
@@coltonwall6704 lol yea I kinda figured hahah
@ballisticintegrity9741
@ballisticintegrity9741 2 года назад
@@coltonwall6704 Turn off? Geeze.
@hugoimnd
@hugoimnd 2 года назад
Too poor to buy, rich enough to dream
@LocoBanana33
@LocoBanana33 2 года назад
They just priced themselves out of production class.....
@dangerranger4323
@dangerranger4323 2 года назад
Lmao they don’t care
@stevensrspcplusmc
@stevensrspcplusmc 2 года назад
Check out the tract 4.5x30 for the money it’s a great deal.. it got German glass , the razor doesn’t.. your just paying for fluff and marketing snake oil..you can outfit 2 rifles for the price of the razor..
@SuperJlarge
@SuperJlarge 2 года назад
Just because it has Schott glass doesn’t mean it’s better. That’s basically the same as “marketing and snake oil”, as you put it. Yes, the tract is a good LOW manufactured scope, but it’s glass isn’t the same as a ZP5 or S&B PMII.
@Carriesaglock
@Carriesaglock 8 месяцев назад
I’ll take the Razor.
@richardmattix5322
@richardmattix5322 Год назад
Rattle off about everything but the price.
@brockhickman1988
@brockhickman1988 2 года назад
If only it was 3000$ it's 3999$ msrp
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
The street price on Vortex is often meaningfully below MSRP
@alexzamora6700
@alexzamora6700 2 года назад
Only thing good about vortex is their warranty lol
@commonsense5709
@commonsense5709 2 года назад
I stayed away from the higher end Vortex because of that saying. Very tempted to buy this Gen 3 though. Any place selling them for better than $2399?
@camonly849
@camonly849 Год назад
Vortex doesn't have an incredible warranty because of the vortex razor. Go run over your nightforce with your truck and tell me if they replace it.
@NameL3ss71
@NameL3ss71 Год назад
Meh. Still prefer my theta
@JacobTerherst
@JacobTerherst 2 года назад
uga is lucky
@matthewrezuke8130
@matthewrezuke8130 2 года назад
Laughs in Schmidt bender
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
It’s ok, nobody can hear you from all the way back in 2006
@prone_wolf8871
@prone_wolf8871 2 года назад
🤣
@NoelLucas
@NoelLucas 2 года назад
@@area419 🤣Coming in HOT! This is why my bench is loaded with your gear. The cold hard brutal FACTS.
@NoelLucas
@NoelLucas 2 года назад
@@area419Ironically enough, their new PMII 6-36x56 was just announced, but my new Razor Gen3 will be delivered today. Decisions, decisions. I may order the "new" PMII as well. Yolo, right?
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
@@NoelLucas this is science. Don’t cut corners on science.
@brandontolley1361
@brandontolley1361 2 года назад
I'd go top end leopold any day over vortex
@Kyle899
@Kyle899 2 года назад
A top end Leupold mark 8 is literally double the price of a Gen III vortex in Canada. Not really a great comparison.
@commonsense5709
@commonsense5709 2 года назад
I like Leupold but their varying eye relief really bothers me.
@brandontolley1361
@brandontolley1361 2 года назад
@@commonsense5709 Leupold eye relief is one of the longest and most forgiving there is. Usually 5 inches if not more.
@thestacche6898
@thestacche6898 2 года назад
Come on guys it’s not a tangent.
@NathanKLivingston
@NathanKLivingston 2 года назад
Did you watch the video?
@n00g72
@n00g72 2 года назад
@@NathanKLivingston Dr. Tangent, I presume?
@NoelLucas
@NoelLucas 2 года назад
It's time that Tangent steps up from 5-25. Schmidt just did with the announcement of their new PMII 6-36x56. Interesting times.
@NBKarmwrestling
@NBKarmwrestling 2 года назад
Valdada Recon G2 kills this scope AND is only $2800....just sayn.
@NBKarmwrestling
@NBKarmwrestling 2 года назад
Just a fanboy here, and previous Vortex fanboy.
@n00g72
@n00g72 2 года назад
IOR, that’s a name I haven’t heard mentioned seriously in a long, long time.
@NBKarmwrestling
@NBKarmwrestling 2 года назад
@@n00g72 people should look into them. The G2 is next level.
@Sagittariustoo
@Sagittariustoo 2 года назад
@@NBKarmwrestling I was interested in IOR but the guys at the Hide claim they're all a POS.
@Yvirten
@Yvirten 2 года назад
If they are saying this scope is on par with tangent theta.. the Valdada is nothing to it.
@dmoore91478
@dmoore91478 2 года назад
Who shoots at 30x at a match. Nobody lol
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
"That's going to get me in trouble later"
@leadcloud
@leadcloud 2 года назад
Somebody shooting a 30lb 6GT loll. Shooting at stupid high mag is a lot easier when "recoil" is just a vibration. I never run higher than 12-15x, but I'm running 6.5CM
@dmoore91478
@dmoore91478 2 года назад
We did it back in the day when all we had was 2nd focal. You got to see them impacts or misses
@piro2k
@piro2k 2 года назад
"That's fascinating" Oh fuck..this guy probably sits with his legs crossed. How did people like this end up interested in guns?
@christittle1131
@christittle1131 2 года назад
It’s not $1000 better than gen2. $500 max for the power and new zeroing
@NathanKLivingston
@NathanKLivingston 2 года назад
Have you looked through one?
@dangerranger4323
@dangerranger4323 2 года назад
Yeah, yeah it is. Actually
@commonsense5709
@commonsense5709 2 года назад
I'll buy one if there's any place selling them for cheaper than $2399. Anyone know where?
@camonly849
@camonly849 Год назад
Find someone with a discount. 1900 for me lololol
@viking9934
@viking9934 2 года назад
Screams so much marketing bullshit. We’ll maybe not bullshit as I’m sure it’s a fine optic but give us a break it’s just been released and now you scream it’s the best buy out there… I expected better from you guys.
@SuperiorDefense
@SuperiorDefense 2 года назад
How is it marketing when they had to pay for them? Granted it's probably a little better than mil/Le pricing but it still cost money. The razor line is good and vortex took a long time to make the gen 2 and then almost just as long for the gen 3. They put the work into this line and it always shows. People who crap on Vortex are either closed minded snobs who will never own one anyways or have never used one and don't have plans to. I'm sure Area 419 doesn't need to buy a hundred razors to market and sell, they're doing just fine machining aerospace parts. Lol
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
We have nothing to gain by saying the things we did. We aren’t reselling Vortex, or any optic for that matter. In reality, after the time/energy to make a video, we will have lost money to give you our thoughts. We just liked the scope.
@viking9934
@viking9934 2 года назад
@@SuperiorDefense You never worked in marketing and it shows. They said they get industry pricing, they get their just in time to make a video only couple of days after release. All that is part of a marketing communication plan from vortex and area 419 is part of it. It’s not an insult to anyone but you need to understand that. I’ve owned my share of vortex products so I can see this with a critical eye and I’ve worked with them in the past. I’m not fanboy like you but no hater. I see them for what they are and I will not be filled with that kind of video material. I’ll wait for real feedback from competitors that are not sponsored or affiliated.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
@@viking9934 We are competitors (you can look up all of our scores) with a lot of matches under our belts that are not sponsored by Vortex. Yes, we are affiliated via friendship with Vortex, but by that token you could say we are affiliated with multiple other scope brands in the test, that's how being in a fairly tight industry works.
@SuperiorDefense
@SuperiorDefense 2 года назад
@@viking9934 you're right I've never worked in marketing but I'm also not autistic.
@bigcountry9457
@bigcountry9457 2 года назад
45.1oz They are built like a tank but they also weigh as much. The gen 2 is 46.5oz so at least they are trending in the right direction.
@area419
@area419 2 года назад
Most people buying this are putting it on a 20-25lb match rifle, a few extra ounces isn’t a concern
@Kyle899
@Kyle899 2 года назад
Buy the Vortex HD AMG at 28.8 oz if weight is important.
@bigcountry9457
@bigcountry9457 2 года назад
@@area419 Understood, however, the number one complaint I hear is about the weight which I'm sure you guys are aware.
@bigcountry9457
@bigcountry9457 2 года назад
@@area419 Understood, however, the number one complaint I hear is about the weight which I'm sure you guys are aware.
@bigcountry9457
@bigcountry9457 2 года назад
@@Kyle899 Agreed, there are many other options out there if weight is important to someone.
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