New Open Access Operators Coming to the Network

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What are Open Access Operators? And did you know there are several new ones coming ( in advanced planning stage ) meaning there will be soon be some New Train Operating Companies operating services on the the National Rail Network. Here's a breakdown of the current one, and the new ones starting soon ...
More Details and Websites on the New Applications:
Lumo to Rochdale is planned to be six return services a day from 2027 - www.lumo.co.uk...
Hull Trains to Sheffield is planned to be two return services a day in 2025 - www.hulltrains...
Grand Union to Stirling is planning to run four return services a day in 2025 - www.granduniont...
Grand Union to Camarthen is planned to be five return services a day in 2025 - www.granduniont...
Wrexham Shropshire & Midlands Railway should gives return services a day in 2025 - www.wsmr.co.uk/
CORRECTIONS:
4:09 I've got Motherwell and Lockerbie transposed on the map, should be the other way round!

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@geofftech2 3 месяца назад

If ... anyone can find a good link for more information for the planned Virgin train services, please post it here! ( thanks )

@ThimgsGD 3 месяца назад

wait they’re back? exiting!

@UKTAG2 3 месяца назад

@@ThimgsGDwell technically yes but they will be running a different name and livery

@ThimgsGD 3 месяца назад

@@UKTAG2i see, still will be nice to see them back up and running!

@WCML730 3 месяца назад

Euston - Birmingham - Liverpool - Manchester - Scotland

@Beansontoast93911 3 месяца назад

I will be a honorary customer for them because I’m the biggest virgin in the country

@asdaneedsfunds 3 месяца назад

The Euston applications are all bidding for the same slots in the timetable. It won't be possible for more than one of them to run without a significant change to the timetable, which cant happen before HS2 phase 1 opens.

@joermnyc 3 месяца назад

The Euston to Preston train could be combined with the Glasgow one, just have it be two train sets that separate/join at Preston. They would have to figured out Bolton, Golbourne or both (not familiar enough with that area to know if that’s possible, or they are on separate routes.)

@speedstyle. 3 месяца назад

@@joermnyc Adding that many stops, and in particular going via Manchester, would mean at least 5 hours to Glasgow. Existing trains do it in 4h30. (Admittedly some do it in 6, but there are more Lon-Bham and Bham-north passengers, and Virgin are focusing on the London market.)

@ajs41 3 месяца назад

I'm fed up with having about 6 minutes to run to the train at Euston. There must be a better way of organising things.

@mudchute4dlr 23 дня назад

@@ajs41 check the platform in advance on rtt, if they let you on the platform early then great, otherwise just wait at the bottom of the ramp. i dont really know how it works because ive only ever gotten on a train from euston twice and that was a decent amount of time ago (underground not included)

@Toffeeabi81 3 месяца назад

As a disabled person who relies on trains I wish there was an open access train option available from somewhere in Devon. Hopefully it would bring down the ridiculous prices of trains from Devon to anywhere in the country outside of the county

@curlybrownliz 3 месяца назад

Fares from Exeter to Waterloo are pretty cheap if you can choose the time you travel. I have done Earlsfield to Exeter for £12, Exeter to Salisbury for £8 e/w. If you have to go GWR/XC then try splitting at Weston Super Mare or Bristol Parkway to get the best deals on advance tickets

@cameronhodgkins9501 3 месяца назад

What trains will Grand Union use & what trains will Wrexham Shropshire Midlands Railway use?

@DigitalDiabloUK 3 месяца назад

I hope the WSMR offers faster access to London from Wolverhampton and Walsall. The current route via Birmingham is too slow, taking up a quarter of the journey time, especially if you have to change/wait.

@lorddarlo6194 3 месяца назад

WSMR could also stop at the new Willenhall and Darlaston stations then Bescot Stadium up to Walsall or they plan to serve Darlaston and Bescot. As a competition to WMR's Birmingham/Walsall to Shrewsbury Via Willenhall service

@Amielbakshi 3 месяца назад

How will this be impacted by the potential renationalisation / Great British Railways? Not sure how it all works!

@AMGitsKriss 3 месяца назад

I'd love to know if these services will run owned or leased units. Iirc, all of the franchise trains are leased, but Lumo's current trains are actually owned by their parent company?

@f.g.9466 3 месяца назад

Certainly leased. Small open access operators have little chance at buying rolling stock. Lumo's Class 803 are also leased from a ROSCO (Beacon Rail). They were specifically ordered for Lumo, but still part of Beacon's fleet. Don't expect any changes anytime soon, unfortunately ROSCOs are here to stay and none of the parties have proposed a nationalisation of rolling stock. ROSCOs are mostly owned by banks or big investment groups (JP Morgan in the case of Beacon), and no one can threaten their business.

@jimjacobi5863 3 месяца назад

It's not real competition when there's a finite number of slots in the timetable, especially with many parts of the network already at capacity. Somebody, somewhere needs to decide what the best use of these limited slots are, and I'm not sure open access is the best way to do this.

@stephenclark9917 3 месяца назад

But the operating contracts will be nationalised soon.

@davidvillasenor4444 3 месяца назад

Exciting. I didn’t know there was so much spare capacity on the wcml

@higgsmaster1099 3 месяца назад

There isn't

@andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад

Very unlikely all of them will be approved, some of them are essentially competing proposals

@TheosTrainsWalesOfficial 2 месяца назад

I say that they extend HS2 to Germany and Austria.

@LeslieGilpinRailways 3 месяца назад

Is there a station at Golborne?

@ChrisGBusby 3 месяца назад

I wonder if we will ever see any operators in the South East with our oddball third rail power system. Probably not :(

@VXHL-j7p 3 месяца назад

Wait this Is Very Exiting 🎉🎉🎉🎉

@lemon-claws 3 месяца назад

I loved virgin trains and it could be back🥹🥹

@duchygardens 3 месяца назад

Great news, but I do wonder how the WCML will cope north of Handsacre with Avanti, LNWR, Open Access Operators, HS2 and all the freight. Shugborough Tunnel is THE bottleneck we keep burying our heads in the sand about (oh, and the Oxford Road bottleneck of course).

@atlanical 3 месяца назад

Why do they all use London Euston?

@jakehowie442 3 месяца назад

South Cheshire Crewe is quite handy, but Virgin Trains was much better than Avanti

@esmeephillips5888 3 месяца назад

It should be Stevenage, not 'Stevange', on the ECML map.

@NiallMcKenzie 3 месяца назад

That virgin one looks good, especially if they cut the journey time between Motherwell and London by moving Motherwell 60 miles south 👀

@quintuscrinis8032 3 месяца назад

The irony with the Virgin one is that they actively prevented Open access operators during their time running the West Coast Main Line franchise.

@zeno2712 3 месяца назад

Yes, I think Geoff's map has Lockerbie and Motherwell the wrong way round!

@googlesucks6029 3 месяца назад

Folding space time is an efficient way to travel and to be honest I'm surprised it's not done more often.

@cjc6063 3 месяца назад

No mate, it's a tourism thing, they're going to move Lockerbie closer to Glasgow - they've got the plane ready to go

@southcalder 2 месяца назад

The irony is that when Virgin operated the WC franchise, they pretty much eliminated all the Motherwell stops as they were so focused on a sub 4hr journey. Avanti have reinstated nearly every Motherwell stop, and along with TPE adding Motherwell means an almost hourly service south.

@HeyItsAJOmega 3 месяца назад

Lumo expanding from five-car to ten-car trains would be so useful. Every Lumo train I've been on has been absolutely packed, rightfully so given their cheaper fares *and* no First Class for peak capacity. New trains and services are always welcome, and the Grand Union Euston-Stirling service sounds like an epic journey! And the Alliance Rail proposal sounds really exciting too! It'd be great to have more cross-country orientated services, to not just compete with CrossCountry but improve services and connections elsewhere in the country without having to go via London to get anywhere. Connecting North Wales, Northern England and Scotland together would be so useful.

@alexmcwhirter6611 3 месяца назад

Lumo only has a limited number of trains. Needs to enlarge its fleet.

@NigelCorbett-kw3oj 3 месяца назад

They will also get a percentage of all the “Any Permitted Route” tickets sold over the routes they’ll be operating. For something like London to Edinburgh that’s a lot of money they’ll get for passengers that are travelling on other providers’ services.

@IIVQ 3 месяца назад

Wouldn't that percentages be based on occasional passenger counts?

@jamiesworld1690 3 месяца назад

Am all for direct service ftom Edinburgh to Wales

@stanley3647 3 месяца назад

This will be nice upgrade to overcrowded, current class 17x 2/3 cars trains runs from Nottingham/Derby to Cardiff.

@s125ish 3 месяца назад

There is one a day cross country service

@offical_jamierubberfan 3 месяца назад

As someone from Wales, maybe getting to Birmingham won't just be on absolutely rammed 170s anymore so I'm for it

@davidty2006 3 месяца назад

Cardiff to Scotland cutting via midlands, pennine belt and Newcastle is certainly intereting. maybe able to add a stop in darlington once the station upgrade is done.

@llynllydaw 3 месяца назад

@@offical_jamierubberfanSame here living in Gloucester. We need more trains going north rather than having to use Cheltenham as most Cross Country North - South trains won't go to Gloucester. And the Nottingham - Cardiff trains are horrible, and also seem to be the first to be cancelled on the frequent occasions that Cross Country are short of train crew.

@LWR1 3 месяца назад

Very exciting and well explained Geoff. Another one that may start quite soon is Go-op, who will go through my local area and hopefully start December this year between Swindon and Taunton using Class 153s!

@ianhudson2193 3 месяца назад

😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

@shogun2215 3 месяца назад

An alternative to the diabolical GWR service running through South Wales? Consider me intrigued. The Cardiff to Edinburgh service sounds interesting too, but I fear that it'll be extremely expensive as it won't have any competition.

@davidparsons97 3 месяца назад

The alternative via Bristol Parkway to Paddington would be interesting. If it's less than £90 off peak return, that'll be groundbreaking.

@nathanw9770 3 месяца назад

The Cardiff to Edinburgh will compete with GWR and Crosscountry I believe.

@davidranger4468 3 месяца назад

To be fair to GWR I've always had good experiences travelling with them between NWP and PAD.. with one exception, the eye watering ticket prices. I've driven to outer London, parked and tubed in last 5-6 years because its just so much cheaper with two of us travelling. £20-30 in fuel vs 2 train tickets at £80-£90 each.. no contest. Looking forward to the competition.

@Spacebug111 3 месяца назад

as a west coaster i cant wait for avanti to have real competition

@NJRD977 3 месяца назад

And with the aim of going into Man Vic which is so much more convenient for the businesses I am usually visiting on that side of the city

@garthcox4307 3 месяца назад

The WSMR route would mean the return of passenger trains to the sutton park line, which has been freight only for many years.

@AtTheBellEnd 3 месяца назад

Stevange could be a French village, or a fencing term.

@MrTryxxter 3 месяца назад

Or an 80s electro pop artist 😉

@robertwilloughby8050 3 месяца назад

Well, maybe a Belgian or Luxembourgish village...😅

@midnight_styx 3 месяца назад

At least a Luxembougish village

@Stuart-AJC 3 месяца назад

Or a town in West Norway (Stevanger)

@BobCakez 3 месяца назад

Famous for being the birthplace of Lewis Hamilton, although whether he’ll be driving the trains is an open question

@jeremybuck1818 3 месяца назад

'Edinburgh Waverley' is just plain 'Edinburgh' these days.. likewise Hull isn't Hull Paragon anymore...

@017Bushbuck 3 месяца назад

I thought the WCML south of Birmingham was full, wasn't this was one of the reasons for building HS2? How are they going to accommodate all those extra services?

@sabinebogensperger1928 3 месяца назад

My thoughts exactly.

@johnm2012 3 месяца назад

Yes, that's why the old Wrexham and Shropshire operated out of Marylebone. I used that service on several occasions but ultimately it was stymied by Virgin Trains' anti-competition rules which didn't all it to stop at Birmingham at all or at Wolverhampton or Telford in one direction or the other.

@bishwatntl 3 месяца назад

It's often argued that the WCML is not only full now but will continue to be so in places even with HS2 Phase 1 open, due to the cancellation of Phase 2. These extra operators would gum up the works even more in times of disruption

@Sam-gf6ue 3 месяца назад

Not sure about Virgin trains but for WSMR it will replace the Old Avanti London- Shrewsbury service.

@TalesOfWar 3 месяца назад

Simple. They aren't. It's just more traffic on the network. Once HS2 (the bit they're actually building) is done it should help some of the services, but the wider network is still chock full.

@ricequackers 3 месяца назад

This is what privatisation should have been in the first place - plenty of different private companies competing with each other to offer better and cheaper services. Instead what was created in the 90s were regional time-limited monopolies where the companies competed for the DfT instead of the passengers.

@TravelJackJourneys158 3 месяца назад

Fantastic video very informative I travelled a lot between Yorkshire and London Kings Cross I always travel with Hull Trains. There started running a bus service from Goole to Howden which connects with the Hull Trains Service

@CheekyBandit 3 месяца назад

Used to regularly travel between Worksop and Sheffield/Retford and I see problems. Firstly Nunnery Mainline junction is a bottleneck and services into Sheffield were held for ages there. Using the old goods platform (that has track) into a bay platform at Woodhouse (and allowing through ticketing on the 52a bus from Attercliffe, Darnall and Handsworth) might be a better option. Secondly access from Worksop onto the line to Kings Cross is into P2 (the down platform) and would have to cross the busy down fast line upon leaving Retford. There is also the annoying squeal on the sharp approach curve. I didn't mind changing at Retford as this gave me a chance leave the station to visit the nearby convenience store.

@TheMightyKinkle 3 месяца назад

That's strange considering Goole and Howden are nearly joined together anyway

@TravelJackJourneys158 3 месяца назад

There was a service that runs in to Howden Town but northing going to Howden station until the Hopper started running

@ednewmy 3 месяца назад

WSMR cannot come soon enough. I made extensive use of the Wrexham And Shropshire service back in the day between London and Shrewsbury to visit my parents. Sorely needs a regular direct train again. That did have the plus point of running out of the lovely Maryelebone though, so a shame this one will be out of Euston. Though perhaps that means it'll be busier and actually last.

@charlo90952 3 месяца назад

My father used to tell me off for saying "ralway"....

@SouthWestRailEnthusiast 3 месяца назад

Nice video! I knew about some of the new Open access operators like Grand Union but I didn't realise Virgin trains would be coming back!? Would be interesting to see what fleet they will have now that the pendolinos are with Avanti

@rugbycentralofficial 3 месяца назад

Not all AWC voyagers are going to XC, there could be a possibility of a conversion to electric/hydrogen for Virgin there I feel...

@SouthWestRailEnthusiast 3 месяца назад

@@rugbycentralofficial I doubt they would convert the voyagers to electric or hydrogen. Virgin will probably want the newest - maybe 805s/807s or 810s? but then again a tilting train would be more ideal for virgin if they're wanting to do London to Glasgow services again.

@joermnyc 3 месяца назад

Nostalgia for Virgin trains, as we rode the “Mail route” up to Holyhead for the ferry connection over to Dublin. It was a lovely Pendolino, the crew were excellent and we learned how to properly pronounce the names of the stops in northern Wales. (Just don’t quiz us now, it was 10 years ago! 😂)

@iangill8984 3 месяца назад

Nationalistaion will end most of this. Passenger numbers have steadily increased after privatisation following decrease when the big four were created and nationalistion.

@harrympharrison 3 месяца назад

Open access makes the railway incredibly complicated for its operation and for passengers, and this will likely *reduce* capacity rather than increase it on our already congested railway network. Gareth Dennis has written excellently about this. We don't need one train a day to East Armpit that might be two hours late, we need a fast, frequent, reliable and simple railway. Also, the idea that competition in railways provides a "benefit to passengers" should be seriously challenged. Transportation is a natural monopoly where competition doesn't really make sense. The fare system in the UK is a disaster, but this isn't the solution.

@f.g.9466 3 месяца назад

There are some niche cases where it does, on long distance routes with plenty of capacity. High speed in Spain is one of them, see the HSR Madrid-Barcelona where the introduction of 2 external operators lead to a substantial increase in offer with much lower prices and considerable growth of users and modal shift. A fully built HS2 network could benefit from a similar model. But admittedly this isn't going to work the same way across the board. Madrid-Barcelona is a route with high demand and with capacity, and this is genuine competition. Some of the operators are starting services on other routes now as well, but there will always be undesirable route that won't benefit. What we see on British railways with franchises and now concessions could hardly be considered real competition in most cases.

@saintuk70 3 месяца назад

Grand Union, fact it's stopping at my station Larbert and even Stirling is super interesting and exciting - nice to see more options.

@Cars_and_adventures 3 месяца назад

So what happens if Labour nationalised the railway ?

@andrewyoung749 3 месяца назад

it gets decimated just like it was last time they nationalised the railways. during which time labour closed huge amounts (tom fraser/barbara castle carrying out what are referred to in pure gas-lighting terms as the beeching cuts-beeching never held the power to close anything and thus never did)of routes and stations, and br spaffed millions away on pointless diesels(instead of copying the continent and keeping steam longer then moving to electric) and conservatives shelving innovation such as the apt. government running=funnily enough government results. a brilliant system built by private companies over 100 years turned to crap in a couple of decades after 1948 by national seizure/'ownership'... itll be a car crash, but the question is, will the ideologues learn after 5 years this time or will we have any railway left after another 40 years of disastrous nationalised rail...

@electro_sykes 3 месяца назад

i need to start my own train company

@andrewnorth170 3 месяца назад

Can I get a ticket to Stevange please? lol

@JakeLikesTrains 3 месяца назад

1:04 distracted over the dvt set

@symbolman 3 месяца назад

This is a way that ticket prices are brought down. I once saved a large amount of money by going Grand Central to Sunderland and then onwards to Newcastle on the Metro. It was longer but the saving was worth it.

@mukithussain9985 3 месяца назад

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@jamesrobert994 3 месяца назад

I’m excited for Hull Trains to Worksop linking another Nottinghamshire town with the capital.

@benjaminwinchester3408 3 месяца назад

and to offer hopefully a cheaper alternative to the ridiculously priced EMR services to Sheffield

@jameshodgetts7541 3 месяца назад

As a worksopian, looking forwards to the potential Sheffield to kings cross service too. The northern trains between Worksop and Sheffield take forever as they stop everywhere - including south Yorkshires least used station of Darnall! What should be a 15-20 minute hop between worksop and sheffield takes 40 minutes. Although i'm half betting they'll do something silly like make it a drop off only stop going north so it doesn't pull too many people off of the Northern service - 95% of the people catching that train is between worksop and sheffield, or make it extortionately expensive so you get the Northern train anyway.

@CheekyBandit 3 месяца назад

@@benjaminwinchester3408 There is already a cheaper alternative offered by West Midlands Trains. Enter London Euston (this is important) in the destination field on BR Fares. CTRL+F and type LNR AND XC ONLY for a quick way of finding them.

@EuroDC1990 3 месяца назад

I'm particularly looking forward to Alliance Rail's Edinburgh to Cardiff service. Living in Sheffield, train fares down to South Wales and up to Edinburgh are extortionate. Competition with CrossCountry and extra capacity is desperately needed. The Sheffield to Kings Cross service will be a nice addition too as I hate St Pancras station with a passion.

@alexmcwhirter6611 3 месяца назад

Indeed. EMR needs some competition.

@bobsteryt 3 месяца назад

Pretty sure HT's new Sheffield service will be faster than EMR's current one, albeit much less frequent

@jameshodgetts7541 3 месяца назад

@alexmcwhirter6611 3 месяца назад

@@jameshodgetts7541 Indeed. That's one benefit open access firms can offer in that they serve towns/cities nowadays overlooked by the TOCs. Let's hope ORR gives Hull Trains the green light for this service.

@darrylrichardson7940 3 месяца назад

@@jameshodgetts7541 WHY NOT WSOP RETFORD THEN LNER TO KINGS X

@Damien_N 3 месяца назад

Aren’t Eurostar and Heathrow Express technically Open access operators too?

@Thatspuremental 3 месяца назад

Technically yes and technically no but lets say yes

@damianc.0.681 3 месяца назад

Well technically no Eurostar as Eurostar doesn’t call at anywhere that the SE javelins do. but Heathrow express maybe

@jfenemer 3 месяца назад

@@damianc.0.681 I suppose prior to Covid when they stopped at Ashford and Ebbsfleet they offered competition. Now, I think you have to class them as open access as the the UK govt sold its stake in 2015 and are owned by SNCF, effectively not the government of the UK (but French) if that makes sense.

@damianc.0.681 3 месяца назад

@@jfenemer yeah true.

@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire 3 месяца назад

That is what I thought as well.

@rikufryderyk 3 месяца назад

thanks for the breakdown, Geoff, very helpful :)

@nigelkthomas9501 3 месяца назад

So with all this happening what about the Midland Mainline? No-one interested in challenging EMR? Glasgow Central-London St Pancras; AKA the “Thames-Clyde Express” would be great! 😜

@JackRoseTravels 2 месяца назад

I just wish they would do proper decent fares. Cardiff to Edinburgh for £60 return that wasn't months in advance would be what I'd call ideal. Wishful thinking though.

@TheMightyKinkle 3 месяца назад

Woooo Hull Trains getting some recognition!

@-Benedict 3 месяца назад

I don't really mind the concept of OAO. But "digital only" ticketing, like Lumo do, should be illegal, for travel, events, you name it, anything that uses a ticket. There are a lot of people who either for reasons of economic hardship, or a disability, cannot use a smartphone, and these people are excluded if you cannot order physical tickets.

@loftlegacy 3 месяца назад

Not too soon. There is a shocking lack of choice. I live in Formby and it’s either Avanti or Avanti to get direct or Euston. A few years ago I could have gone in LNW, but life’s too short! It always surprised me why there wasn’t a main franchise and a slightly lesser one to give competition in main routes. It’s going to be interesting where Virgin fit into Lime St with Avanti proposing a second service an hour. But, I’d give them a go, for nostalgia sake more than anything!

@Cornodebassetto 3 месяца назад

Lumo are not musician friendly refusing colleagues to board with their instruments. This is frankly terrible. Their ticket prices are really not that cheaper than LNER.

@stephencampbell9384 3 месяца назад

Meanwhile in the 2nd class part of the country....Translink.

@sbinallazar7377 3 месяца назад

I'd be all for the Sheffield-LKX Services

@IDeltic 3 месяца назад

Wow, one whole non-London route.

@ThomasWhiteford 3 месяца назад

The Lumo one im sure it was Glasgow Central Not Queenstreet. It'll probably get the Lner Paths as Lner are stopping from December

@networkerfan 3 месяца назад

Geoff I don't see the point in Lumo going to Glasgow because from Edinburgh you have the Edinburgh to Glasgow express services from London you have avanti services from Euston from Stevenage you can get the fast Thameslink services 2 stops to ST Pancras walk to Euston and still have the avanti service and from Newcastle and Morpeth you can get the train to Edinburgh and change for the Edinburgh to Glasgow express service

@AndreiTupolev 3 месяца назад

So Virgin have suddenly found that there's spare line capacity to run to Birmingham and Manchester (already served, what is it, three times an hour)?

@chrisbloe 3 месяца назад

Would any heritage railways count as existing Open Access operators e.g. NYMR?

@Caroleonus 3 месяца назад

Would these still be possible if the railways were nationalised? I'd assume so, I think it would just take the franchises back into public hands, but I'm not sure.

@mdcbennett 2 месяца назад

Love your videos mate but I am 100% against this. Open Access should not be allowed they purely strip revenue out of the network. If they want to operate they should have their own specific tickets and not take a penny from the Any Permitted tickets. This OAOs can’t lose they would make a profit from the ORCATs split even if they didn’t carry a passenger East Coast should have been told to run a 2 hourly fast themselves if it was needed Sorry to be negative

@johnpalmer4102 3 месяца назад

It would be good if someone could run Huddersfield to london (via Stalybridge?) or another train from Crewe northward up the WCML (only one per hour Crewe- Warrington at present). What about Cardiff- Glasgow via Shrewsbury?

@ChrisEvvo 3 месяца назад

Alliance Rail not calling at Cheltenham Spa or Worcestershire Parkway (2 busy stations)?

@cycklist 3 месяца назад

Not a single service South of London.

@cbrown182 3 месяца назад

Anything that makes trains no longer a monopoly is very much welcome. It should finally help reduce prices and increase quality. East Midland trains from Sheffield to London are dirty, uncomfortable and so expensive.

@roll1e76 3 месяца назад

How on earth are Virgin going to go ...Motherwell -> Lockerbie -> Glasgow, I assume that's a typo?

@merrymac3785 3 месяца назад

Geoff, re the possible new Virgin route from Glasgow, shouldn't Motherwell come first out of Glasgow then followed by Lockerbie?

@thatlonewolfguy2878 2 месяца назад

The Virgin one to Glasgow makes little to no sense and would take decades to turn a profit, I suspect that will be quickly abandoned. Sharing the Rochdale venture with Lumo, not sure how that's going to work either. Not sure how I feel about the Grand Union ones, if they get the go-ahead that's even more reason for Virgin to abandon their Glasgow service they have planned and focus on their other ones, I love the Alliance Rail idea though, that's very very cool. The WSMR one seems promising, more services to the West Midlands and North Wales never hurts

@Ztbmrc1 3 месяца назад

Interesting, however it makes all more complicated for travelers. They all will have their own booking and fairs system. But it is the future of railways. I see Arriva amongst them. Arriva runs branche line train here in the Netherlands, and bus lines. Arriva used to be owned by DB, Deutsche Bahn, German railways, but are about to be sold to an USA financial company... I am not sure whether this deal is completed now, since on the Arriva trains currently running here it still says: "A DB company"...

@JC-rt6qb 3 месяца назад

Surprised that there aren't any operators looking to challenge Chiltern between Birmingham and Marylebone. As a regular traveller on this line I see how poorly served people on, especially from Warwick Parkway south. Ripe for competition!

@jabberwockytdi8901 3 месяца назад

Avanti should have slots taken away from them and given to open access.......

@southcalder 2 месяца назад

I’m fairly certain that Lumo are planning to go to Glasgow Central as Queen Street is very constrained for capacity and as XC have pretty much abandoned Glasgow there are unused InterCity paths into GLC.

@martinbond5166 3 месяца назад

Do your research Geoff. This is not a complete list. What about Go-op Co-operative who have an application before the ORR for two routes, Taunton to Swindon via Westbury and Taunton to Weston-super-Mare? As you can see it isn't a private company looking to piggy back the high profit inter city franchises but a local initiative to meet local needs run by the people of Somerset and Wiltshire.

@mrvwbug4423 3 месяца назад

So where are all these new open access operators going to find rolling stock? The existing railways are struggling to find rolling stock as it is. I suppose WSMR might end up buying Avanti's old 221s

@delboy7039 3 месяца назад

If only there was a 'high speed line' running from London to the NORTH...!!

@8492946able 3 месяца назад

More proof that HS2 must be fully built Both Eastern and Western Legs

@TallysVids 3 месяца назад

Give me Virgin trains any day over the shower of shit Avanti that got the franchise. Hopefully this open access operator news will be beneficial to the customers for a more reliable service.

@tbrooke3016 3 месяца назад

Open access feels like how ALL private sector trains should work?!?! Otherwise it's a public service that we are giving away the profits!

@hvince67 2 месяца назад

I never heard of the concept of Open Access Operator before. But I don't see any of this in a good light at all. To me this is just the cherry on top of a disastrous railway system here in the UK. The UK should re-nationalize it's railways, no more of all these franchizes any more. Leaving things to the market does not work because it's not an industry were you can have proper market competition.

@Mikeb1001 3 месяца назад

The important question, not covered, is ticketing. How it works, what it costs etc

@joshuaclark99 3 месяца назад

Great video! Do you know why there are no proposed on the midland mainline? EMR’s monopoly means their prices are absolutely eye watering!

@typhoon-7 2 месяца назад

Motherwell and Lockerbie are thw wrong way round on that last Virgin map. Unpess they're planning a weird reverse move.

@DavidShepheard 3 месяца назад

The open access operator I would like to see is a government owned operator called "InterCity by British Rail".

@AL-zg5qs 3 месяца назад

Stevange sounds more exotic than Stevenage 😅

@Anonymoususer_8823 3 месяца назад

I do like the idea of having more open access franchise that can deliver better train services in the UK. As HS2 Phase 2 to Manchester and Leeds is cancelled. Would be nice to see more rail operators in the UK. You also had Harrogate Trains, London Crosslink, Central Trains and CrossCountry that is still going.

@eebo63 3 месяца назад

You have Motherwell and Lockerbie round the wrong way on the Virgin West Coast Line.

@JulianGommers 3 месяца назад

What is the benefit of having multiple train operators on the same network when the operators only run 5 trains per day instead of one operator running 4-6 per hour? On top of that only running very short and limited parts of the network.

@TheDaf95xf 3 месяца назад

Always good seeing new train operators coming on but shouldn’t the normal train operators expand their services and stop ripping off the paying customers like LNRE are doing on the east coast 😮

@xxrockraiderxx 3 месяца назад

So Euston, a station which already is struggling with the amount of trains it has per day, is going to get what, 6 new services an hour if that goes ahead? Without the redesign for HS2, none of that is happening, there's simply not the space in Euston for that many new services. There's other stations they can run from but for some reason they don't seem interested. At least the Alliance Rail one is trying for a non-London thing, which is good, I wish we could see more of that, but I don't know why they'd make it a different brand from Grand Union if it's the same parent company running it, seems like a way to obfuscate the ticketing process so someone can't just go to one site and get tickets for all of them if they wish.

@MobiusPeverell 3 месяца назад

Huh, that's a lot of trains running express to the North. It's almost as though it would be a good idea for the government to build a new high-speed, high-capacity line to better service that demand.

@englishjona6458 3 месяца назад

All of this should be run and have been Running by the government for the last 50 years. Yeah all sounds good, but this is what we should’ve had. We should be living with this. We should be looking to improve now my whole life. England has done nothing

@TalesOfWar 3 месяца назад

Now, if only there was some kind of long term large infrastructure project that could help make these kind of services more useful by freeing up capacity on the existing network by taking all of these fast long distance trains from it rather than plonking it all on the already full network. If only something like that was supposed to happen but wasn't cancelled...

@Patchow 3 месяца назад

I wish LNER could buy Lumo. Get that ugly livery out of my station.

@mrtiabrown 3 месяца назад

Geoff The big problem is the price and Most People cant afford the Fares the problem is to many different fares at different times just make it Simple (ps Virgin was one of the companies that started outrageous Fares)

@Fan652w 3 месяца назад

Thanks Geoff for an informative video!" But you fail to ask a crucial question. Is there track capacity (especially on the East Coast Main Line) for all these new services?

@stevieinselby 3 месяца назад

No, in a word. The Tories are salting the earth for Labour by creating massive headaches and future capacity problems here.

@andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад

These are mostly proposals. Not all of them will be approved

@f.g.9466 3 месяца назад

I really doubt that there are slots for all of those services out of Euston, I'd guess they're all competing for the same slots and only one may get the approval.

@Fan652w 3 месяца назад

@@f.g.9466 Thanks! This point about 'slots' out of Euston is clearly very important, and Geoff should have mentioned it.

@andrewreynolds4949 3 месяца назад

@@f.g.9466 There might be 2 or 3 slots, but certainly not enough for all the competing bids

@westcommonroom9737 3 месяца назад

This is the kind of rubbish that we were promised pre 1993 by that bloke who did Prime Minister impressions. In reality all it adds is more confusion for the poor passenger who simply wants to get from A to B with a ticket valid for the blasted route no matter what the colour or owner of the train. Good luck depending on ticket acceptance when these cowboys fail to arrive.

@THELEICESTERFOX 3 месяца назад

The irony of Virgin Trains becoming a OAO yet stopped anyone doing the same when they were in control of the WCML. We know about this in Nuneaton where now they want to run to 😂