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Episode 129
As Project One completes metalwork there follows a new arrival! Have we gone a step too far this time?! Can we turn out a stunning build with an Austin Allegro as the starting point!!?? join us on the journey and find out :-)
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@alanward992
@alanward992 Год назад
Question: How many projects are waiting in the pipeline? ie. How long from when a project is okayed to when it actually starts?
@philtucker1224
@philtucker1224 Год назад
I think they said between 2 and 4 years…
@Tinman3008
@Tinman3008 Год назад
Hang on, isn't the Late Brake Show building a hot Allegro? Theres only one way to sort this out.........FIIIIGHT!!!!
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
A build-off you say!? We've discussed it 😉
@tilsontv5654
@tilsontv5654 Год назад
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!!!!!
@booniespur1882
@booniespur1882 Год назад
@thelatebrakeshow Who's going to win the race?
@rocklover7437
@rocklover7437 Год назад
Jonny is keeping the original paint work patina so he fails
@matthewmcmullan9669
@matthewmcmullan9669 Год назад
As much as I love retro power, johnnies allegro is going to be insane,k20 turbo 😁
@iandonkin6762
@iandonkin6762 Год назад
I’m struggling with the thought of cutting up an Integra Type R to build an Allegro, no matter how well it may turn out, but if anyone can make a good job of it, you guys are right up there. Some of the design sketches suggest that it could be quite muscular - that’s probably the best way to excuse it…
@ralphmillais5237
@ralphmillais5237 Год назад
Yes, I winced a bit too. I hope the shell goes to a good home.
@ChristopherHallett
@ChristopherHallett Год назад
No doubt the shell is rotted to the point of no return.
@secretsquirrel3793
@secretsquirrel3793 Год назад
The renderings look a bit Allegro 6R4. A whaaaa?
@chrisclark4813
@chrisclark4813 Год назад
A nice sleeper design would be cool. Just a couple of Roundels (no numbers), with slight wheel arches.
@pugmanick
@pugmanick Год назад
This is the first project I have misgivings about.... :(
@andyfairchild2383
@andyfairchild2383 Год назад
Question… have you ever had a really expensive design fail? One of those where you’ve gone so far in time and materials but just run into the wall of nope, just can’t make that work? I work in a completely different industry but have had that happen before 😱
@jerehada
@jerehada Год назад
The Jensen must have been close…
@weatheranddarkness
@weatheranddarkness Год назад
@@jerehada I don't get the sense from any of the updates that it was ever going to hit a wall, just that it was an inordinate amount of work to bring it up.
@andrewboulton9928
@andrewboulton9928 Год назад
What is the average cost in pounds of a Retro Power vehicle to a customer?
@covvy
@covvy Год назад
I think we can safely say six figures. It would vary on how much custom metalwork etc but I'd guess £100k-250k upwards depending on spec, given that the Redux BMW is £330k and obviously has a profit margin (for both companies) and donor car cost built in.
@martingardener90
@martingardener90 Год назад
I think it's probably a case of "if you have to ask how much it's going to cost you - you can't afford it!"
@gasketnineninenine8922
@gasketnineninenine8922 Год назад
Question (for the new format where they’re answered at the end). Cal/Nat, the quality of your work is truly spectacular and I’ve loved all 129 episodes, but wondered whether you typically put your vehicles through a BIVA (SVA) test given that most of them have some quite extensive modification to their shells. Obviously the testing of Gordon’s car and the Stratos kit were covered, but it’s rarely mentioned otherwise.
@FabCoUK
@FabCoUK Год назад
Finally, a RP project I can get excited about 🤩😝
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
👍
@craigvirgin8461
@craigvirgin8461 Год назад
Question: How do you avoid the Intelgro ending up in a Q plate? I've never managed to get my head round these rules/laws. At what point do you replace so much of the BL structure with Honda that it's no longer registerable(?) as an Allegro? Will it stay on the Allegro V5 so it comes back as the correct appearance if the rozzers look it up? Does an IVA solve the problem by getting a new V5? (Sorry, that's four questions!)
@theengineerium2493
@theengineerium2493 Год назад
If you have documentation that the engine and other major components came from the Integra they're stripping, The finished car will get a registration plate of the same year as the Integra. Unlike a Q plate, you can then change it to whatever (probably older) reg you fancy
@alanward992
@alanward992 Год назад
Question: Has anyone wanted you to build a Retro Ford Transit Mk1 LWB Van ? (There are some good ex Fire brigade ones around in Germany.)
@richardhintonracing
@richardhintonracing Год назад
This is the one to build ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qg6WdboK1nY.html
@mattbettany1174
@mattbettany1174 Год назад
Much prefer the format this week, having all the fabrication first and the building afterwards makes much better sense to me. You’re compelled to watch right to end to get the final goods . Can’t wait to see your interpretation of the Allegro and how it will Compton Fab Cos . Great episode chaps 🙌🏻
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
Cool, glad you enjoyed. Noted, re. the format
@DuncSmith
@DuncSmith Год назад
@@retropowercars 100% on this format, makes much more sense from a 'following the workflow' perspective. I hope you can deliver on those white and orange renders of the Allegro, they look awesome!
@PoshTimmy
@PoshTimmy Год назад
Second the comment on the format, fab and paint before final assembly makes sense 👍🏻
@mikesautotruckrepairinc.cr5621
@@retropowercars Much better and i had suggested this a while ago.
@johnti1653
@johnti1653 Год назад
My question... What is the plan for wheels on the Jensen? I find that the most intriguing build that you've ever done, and can't quite imagine the end result, but in particular I think the wheels will be a vital part! Thanks, J
@Chamba1977
@Chamba1977 Год назад
They were black wire wheels on the renderings if I recall correctly.
@ivar5433
@ivar5433 Год назад
Please push the Allegro in the sea and restore the Integra 😅
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
😆😆
@moonface978
@moonface978 Год назад
A dolomite sprint is begging to be given the retro power treatment, but I suppose if it’s not on the list it’s not being built
@kenloen
@kenloen Год назад
Its a no from me. Its like taking a bespoke Tom Ford suit and putting a Victoria Beckham badge on it.. from class to crass.. The Allegro was always a POS.. but I will watch the series..
@blackdoublezero
@blackdoublezero Год назад
that Landcruiser inlet manifold !
@CraigHair
@CraigHair Год назад
Question: Are Stu and Tom aware just how admired they are for their skill? (not taking away from anyone else of course)
@chrisslater3174
@chrisslater3174 Год назад
The thought of this is sacrilege of course, but the R5 GT Turbo-esque rendering with Integra underpinnings had this 80s hot hatch fan right on board. Times that by a spot of Retropower over-engineering, and this is set to be a great project!
@michaeldarby3503
@michaeldarby3503 Год назад
The question isnt can you do it its should you do it.
@danstewart8218
@danstewart8218 Год назад
I get it...Great Idea...Just don't cut up That nice RARE TYPE R ....cut up any old Integra,.........you'll probably end up changing half of the metal work and seam brazing it anyway ...?????
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
We could also have used a civic floorpan, but we want a B18C engine, and that means integra or civic type R. Bottom line, it was the most convenient and cost effective way to get engine, transmission, floorpan and core subframe components
@troyboy4345
@troyboy4345 Год назад
That Allegro is already my fav project by far, you lads have been involved in .... many a good watch incoming !
@mortofromoz1
@mortofromoz1 Год назад
So, a Retropower version of Bad Obsession Motorsport’s Binky. Or is that Urchfab’s MX5 Prefect? Excellent! “ Make the noise”. Please don’t take 7 years.
@Zaranathax
@Zaranathax Год назад
More than a little Project Binky about that Allegro project! And I agree with Cal that the Allegro is a good looking car!
@watrousmark401
@watrousmark401 Год назад
I've got to admit every molecule in my body is screaming "Fix the Integra, let the Austin join it's brethren in the junkyard." I sincerely hope this turns out better than what I'm thinking.
@chrispy104k
@chrispy104k Год назад
Exactly what I was about to say. Totally agree.
@pashakdescilly7517
@pashakdescilly7517 Год назад
@@chrispy104k ditto. The Integra R is a genuinely good car. An All Agro never was. I remember the disdain when it came out ('they turned the elegant 1100/1300 into THAT!), and the shoddy build of the early ones.
@rennkafer13
@rennkafer13 Год назад
Given who's building it is there really any doubt?
@seaangling
@seaangling Год назад
The “INTEGRO” or more fondly known as the “AGRO”. What an amazing project choice and you’ve certainly set the bar high. I tip my hat to you fellas and can’t wait to see how the project develops.
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
Allegra or Integro.. that is the question haha
@seaangling
@seaangling Год назад
@@retropowercars I think Allegra sounds too much like a popular smart speaker although that could be fun.
@gavinbuxton8330
@gavinbuxton8330 Год назад
All Agro would be my choice for what that isn’t worth
@huwdavies6650
@huwdavies6650 Год назад
​@Gavin Buxton that name has already been taken.
@gavinbuxton8330
@gavinbuxton8330 Год назад
@@huwdavies6650 dang! Just when I thought I’d managed to think up something clever and original! Haha. Never mind!
@GetUpFalcon
@GetUpFalcon Год назад
As an integra owner id say this is pretty contentious!! The drivetrain is superb, but the chassis is better. The double wishbone set up in EG civics and DC2/4 integras is beyond comprehension considering these cars were sold as a housewives runabout.
@retroscort2687
@retroscort2687 Год назад
When do we get to see details of the John Deere 3050 build?
@K1lostream
@K1lostream Год назад
Ah someone needs to run a sweepstake on who's Allegro's gonna be finished first, this one, or Jonny's? Jonny's got fewer people to work on his, but he has a head start! :edits: I commented as soon as I saw the credits- I should have waited for your opening remarks!
@aneegitwithaspanner6373
@aneegitwithaspanner6373 Год назад
Austin Alegro! Can't you just drop a piano on it like Top Gear would?😂
@kiwicol7383
@kiwicol7383 Год назад
Like your thinking or just drop it in skip
@ceeF4
@ceeF4 Год назад
​@@kiwicol7383 Id rather fit the Type R engine and running gear to an actual skip!!
@gsmdo8836
@gsmdo8836 Год назад
You know - a lot of people will say that the Allegro was a terrible car, with panel-gaps you could drive a bus through, awful handling, a rubbish suspension system and looks only a mother could love. And they'd ALL be right...
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 Год назад
Now this will be good!! I always wondered what a ‘proper’ hot Allegro would be like - the Equipe and early SuperSports were mildly warm, to say the least!
@kiesh.
@kiesh. Год назад
Was very excited to see an Integra DC2.. but an Allegro..!? It's like hearing Nickelback cover Enter Sandman 🤢
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
🤣🤣
@Dirkjan78
@Dirkjan78 Год назад
Bedtime stories with retropower. Are te best bedtime stories. 😉
@andybtec
@andybtec Год назад
Then put the a series into the Integra and make a cold hatch
@mikesvwcorrado
@mikesvwcorrado Год назад
I'm not a Honda person at all but scrapping that Type R is appalling. It'll prob be one of those cars worth a lot in 20 years.
@Rabblewitz
@Rabblewitz Год назад
Taking two cars I have little interest in and combining them into something cool? I'm in. 🙂
@rlaw22
@rlaw22 Год назад
Whilst I agree that a hot hatch Allegro is a fantastic idea I'm afraid that I can't agree that sacrificing a fixable DC02 is the way to go. If the DC02 was a complete write-off that would be different but a bit of rust isn't a problem and these cars are appreciating modern classics and should be saved not destroyed, even if it is to create a kick ass Allegro.
@155Ringman
@155Ringman Год назад
Have a deep, probably quite dark, soft spot for Allegro's, my dad had a 1.5 as a company car in 1977-80 and the fact that it had a 5 speed gearbox was a revelation. Ride and handling was good in the context of the mostly leaf sprung competition. Had a few issues with it such as wheel bearings etc which were solved by us at home rather than the dealer. Gear linkage was a bit ponderous but was nice if changes were not rushed. One of my cousins had a Mk3 1.5 that had twin carbs and was actually a really good update, handling had been drastically improved, a bit more performance and a good gearchange that didn't have to be used with as much care. Years later in the 90's, I had a Maestro that I built with a 1600 R Series (developed from the E-Series in the allegro/maxi but with a vw golf gearbox). I had used the DCNF carbs out of the MG1600 Maestro along with a ported head, cam and lightened / balanced bottom end to get 145bhp which was reasonable from a 1.6 8V engine that had it's origins in the 60's. Had plans to do a stroker 1800 version of the engine using a modified 1750 crank or just put a K-series in it but ended up buying an Alfa 155 instead lol. Sounds like another great project you have, look forward to seeing it progress!
@welz2002
@welz2002 Год назад
God seeing that Integra being taken apart was hard to watch 😢 Looking forward to seeing the end result though!
@damiantaylor7993
@damiantaylor7993 Год назад
The Allegro was actually quite a cool car in the original designers concept, it was supposed to be a hatchback, and originally it had some intuitive and forward thinking ideas, shame the execution of it went off in a tangent but I still think it had potential 😊
@philtucker1224
@philtucker1224 Год назад
What is it about rich boomers that want their 1970s cars back again? (Has the world gone mad?)🤔
@NeilCrossley
@NeilCrossley Год назад
White with orange stripes is just the perfect balance for the Austin
@KristonAbbott
@KristonAbbott Год назад
It’s what you would get if the Late Brake Show was crossed with Project Binky!! This really looks like a great project. Can’t wait to see where this goes!!!!!
@ralphmillais5237
@ralphmillais5237 Год назад
Whatever happened to those Binky guys?
@truckatadders
@truckatadders Год назад
​@@ralphmillais5237still going
@JohnRolyAU
@JohnRolyAU Год назад
@@ralphmillais5237 Nick hasn't looked very well for years
@petelattimer6808
@petelattimer6808 Год назад
@@ralphmillais5237 electronics are being created for Binky, from what i can gather. still progressing, albeit even more slowly than before.
@moonface978
@moonface978 Год назад
Question, what is the process for accepting a build ? I imagine money is high up the list , but are there other criteria, what are the boxes that need to be ticked
@springford9511
@springford9511 Год назад
Hints and tips. 1. Don't start with a Marina. 2. If you start with an Allegro throw away everything except the square steering wheel as that will make a nice talking point.
@martingardener90
@martingardener90 Год назад
Interesting how people laughed at the "square" steering wheel back then and it was soon deleted but half the new cars available today have odd shaped steering wheels!
@nicksmith4709
@nicksmith4709 Год назад
Haha! I thought it said "Rustin" Allegro on the back for a moment!
@D4VE26
@D4VE26 Год назад
From someone wanting to do a 'floorpan swap' I've heard that dvla are clamping down on these because they are comparing them to 'cut n shuts' from back in T' day.. anyone know of this?
@apehat
@apehat Год назад
This is not The Thunderdome. 2 cars in, 1 car out isn't how it should be. If the Integra parts are being donated to the Allegro, then I really hope the Allegro parts are being donated to the Integra. 2 cars in. 2 cars out!
@smplyizzy
@smplyizzy Год назад
Shameful waste a great Honda. Dam!
@asadumatitus874
@asadumatitus874 Год назад
Project Binky Vibes with the Allegro👌
@ezekieloliphant163
@ezekieloliphant163 Год назад
Sorry guys, can’t get on board with this one. My take would be to restore the Integra and condem the All-Agro to the tin-worm worm food. Arse about face.
@10zoll
@10zoll Год назад
You should ask Steve from MED if he wants to buy the A-Series & Gearbox dont scrap it! Is it a 1275?
@philtucker1224
@philtucker1224 Год назад
For Tom’s sake I think you should develop a pneumatic chaser before he needs a hand transplant.
@timscarnonsense319
@timscarnonsense319 Год назад
Oh, no. Somebody has fitted an aftermarket round steering wheel!
@edkay272
@edkay272 Год назад
British Leyland would have used their K series engine not a Honda engine though. They are now being pushed to 800hp
@reddcocker64
@reddcocker64 Год назад
The Allegro looks cool. It will be fun/interesting to see that compared to Johnny's Allegro.
@phillipwood9833
@phillipwood9833 Год назад
There already was a Hot Hatch AllAgro. HL 1750.... went like the clappers but handled like a pram.
@albertperks3476
@albertperks3476 Год назад
I'm glad you acknowledged that the Allegro is not a well built car - you're going to have reinforce a fair bit as there is not much structural integrity in the shell. It's shame as the original designs were pretty good but then the BL machine just ripped the guts out of it. .
@freddofrosch1
@freddofrosch1 Год назад
Let's see which is the better one, yours or Johnny's. And shame on you for ripping apart an Integra R.
@brucehewson5773
@brucehewson5773 Год назад
Allegro looks to have more space for the transplant than Binky.
@Jonathan_Doe_
@Jonathan_Doe_ Год назад
I’m all for someone making a fast allegro, but sacrificing an integra type R to do it? F**k no.
@stephenscholes4758
@stephenscholes4758 Год назад
I know it is the most rational way, but - like Churchill - it saddens me a little that the chosen car is such a fine, original example
@philtucker1224
@philtucker1224 Год назад
Cal I quite like having the body shop work first as its a logical order of things. I appreciate you will want to do an intro first of course.
@MrSnicol
@MrSnicol Год назад
Poor body structure/strength, it will need a roll gage IMO.
@chrisclark4813
@chrisclark4813 Год назад
Fantastic project, nice little sleeper design, roundels (no numbers), slightly flared arches, BRG obviously, a few extra air intakes. Nice to do a complete LCD dash (but with original dials mimicked). Must have minilites. Hay ho, just sitting here thinking. Best wishes.
@blxtothis
@blxtothis Год назад
Where’s the rust on the Integra? I thought there were many hot Allegros back in the day when they caught fire!
@superchickensoup
@superchickensoup Год назад
The second design was very cool, almost R5 turbo style
@billyporter2195
@billyporter2195 Год назад
Well everyone to their own but it seems a waste of human and material resources,especially the Type R
@toby9055
@toby9055 Год назад
Have you thought about putting the A-Series in the Integra? ...
@andrewhudson7481
@andrewhudson7481 Год назад
A shame to gut the Honda… I’d rather see that given the treatment it deserves and toss an old K series from a Civic into the BL thing.
@chrisclark4813
@chrisclark4813 Год назад
Have hit my thumb knuckle so many times, I shiver with pain just mentioning it. Good luck Tom, build that guard.
@FrontSideBus
@FrontSideBus Год назад
Would have been better with a TVR spec Rover V8 tbh.
@leeharding8306
@leeharding8306 Год назад
Am I being stupid or am I watching the late brake show 🤔
@davidcope7651
@davidcope7651 Год назад
I suggest you cut the tail pipes back on the Morris it looks like a wheelbarrow
@01FozzyS
@01FozzyS Год назад
Looking forward to the Allegro Type-R!
@rocklover7437
@rocklover7437 Год назад
Allegro,s have gotten better looking over the years .Kinda like the American AMC Pacer (Wayne's World Car) . They replaced a better looking better driving and better build quality Austin 1100 - 1300 .Plus people hated the none round steering wheel and no 1/4 light window that are a must in a none air conditioned car .
@Danger_mouse
@Danger_mouse Год назад
The Integra ❤️ 2:25 The Alegro has ROOM in there for an LS 🤣
@djohh3057
@djohh3057 Год назад
No, no, no - save the Integra ( throw the BL cr*p into the skip )
@Logan-xz8cj
@Logan-xz8cj Год назад
Just hope they fit the quartic steering wheel
@18robsmith
@18robsmith Год назад
Oh no - not an "A" series into a Type R..........
@superseven7947
@superseven7947 Год назад
Twin 1 1/2" Su's and a 649 cam 😂
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
😆😆👍👍
@18robsmith
@18robsmith Год назад
@@superseven7947 Go for the noise - split '45s, 3-1 and a (nearly) open exhaust....
@888johnmac
@888johnmac Год назад
hang on a second .. Japanese running gear into a old British Leyland ?? where have i seen that idea before ??
@perlindros9784
@perlindros9784 Год назад
Hang on I know where you are going. The Austin will donate engine and gearbox.
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
😆
@mej6519
@mej6519 Год назад
hated the rustin all-agro, my old man had a puke green pile of shite, now't but hassle. sold it for an fso polonez, that old fso was bomb proof and never missed a beat.
@alanduncan3337
@alanduncan3337 Год назад
As long as the end product still closely resembles an Allegro then why not? Looking forward to seeing it progress.
@mhsurfer6713
@mhsurfer6713 Год назад
Allegro with Integra underpinnings….what a challenging and innovative project. You guys have no limits, and absolutely fearless! Can’t wait to see that taking shape. 👍
@chrishobson5925
@chrishobson5925 Год назад
Hot hatch Allegro? Surely not a hatch?
@paulpobsanderson6219
@paulpobsanderson6219 Год назад
Fanbloodytastic project. This is the 3rd Allegro project I’m watching being done now.
@damiantaylor7993
@damiantaylor7993 Год назад
Hang on a mo the teggy, isn’t going to be the doner for the Allegro?
@gordyl9247
@gordyl9247 Год назад
A Austin Allegro powered Honda, brilliant, who'd have thought 😅😅
@parrotraiser6541
@parrotraiser6541 Год назад
The Allegro would have been more appropriately entitled the Adagio.
@MrTurk6988
@MrTurk6988 Год назад
Use all the Honda parts to fund the build... the parts are worth a mint to JDM fans
@mikehartdesign
@mikehartdesign Год назад
IntegRo
@iggsy61
@iggsy61 Год назад
passed my test in an All agro albeit a later one but i always liked the look of them as a youngster and i think the shape of it will make a really good rod
@andrewpercival1427
@andrewpercival1427 Год назад
I love Integra Type R's so abit conflicted on this , would much prefer to see a write off being a donor but realise not always as easy as that, just a shame another relatively good Integra is being sacrificed.. sure the Alegro will turn out great though.
@jonlyons1033
@jonlyons1033 Год назад
I always thought the subaru impreza (hatchback) looked like a modern allegro and the panamera looks like a maxi.
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
The Panamera-Maxi comparison is pretty accurate 🤣🤣
@jeph-rey
@jeph-rey Год назад
I love the juxtaposition of Churchill which is going to be a work of art and the allegro , no one can say the builds are not varied.
@sixtring73
@sixtring73 Год назад
I approve of the Mk1 arches, I think you've got them just right. I always thought the Mk1 rear forest arches looked a bit odd with those big bubbles. Also love the Allegro renders, it's going to be amazing!
@russcooke5671
@russcooke5671 Год назад
You are right about the arches. I love the Murray escort. Big arches makes cars look like a Fat bird in a mini skirt. Not a great look😂
@mrcogginsgarage7062
@mrcogginsgarage7062 Год назад
Whatever next I'm seriously looking forward to seeing how much of a monster you turn this allegro into chaps. Allways thought someone should do a Marina coupe, any takers ?.
@ernieleithes6545
@ernieleithes6545 Год назад
I once saw a austin 1300 gt with the Honda engine &gearbox.
@patrickafonso8080
@patrickafonso8080 Год назад
Good project an il like the shape of the allegro. I know very well the intégra and the type R have some couple of tricks in the body for rigidity. If you want to keep the Honda driving qualities you need to increase the allegro body. But very happy seeing a project involving a Honda
@TheGrister
@TheGrister Год назад
Instead of destroying a Type R why didn't they build a tubular space frame and have complete carte blanche.
@retropowercars
@retropowercars Год назад
This was a close call. We may still regret our route, but using the floorpan and bulkhead and engine bay structure seems the most economical route at the moment
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