By this logic government should ban engineering colleges too because how many of the students actually get a job after completing engineering? Many people fail to get the job Ban competitive exams too like UPSC where the success rate is less than 1% which is even lower success rate than the stock market.
Not same after studying they can find another job from their studies. That’s not the case with trading after loosing all money very few options available.
SEBI should not think like Robin Hood, leave people to their brains, it would be better if Govt worries about their own efficiency rather than teach morals. If people do, it is their money. why be after them
And then we have these kind of youtubers who have big money to trade and don't understand the issue before jumping in for views in support of the clueless government.
Big institutions don't want retail traders to sell options. It reduce their annual returns. They want retail traders who only buy options. Hence, big banks influence sebi like organisation for their own benefit. You will also see that most of Nithin Kamath's tweet about RBI and SEBI are usually about getting more profit for zerodha and so, he also speaks against trading forex and other international market or trading for foreign prop firms.
Now that all youtubers hav made enough money starting with a really small capital, they really don't care wht difficulties the small capital traders face now..
A 5 Lakh rupee person, Who has 5 Lakhs rupee in Trading A/c.. do you think he/she less knowledgeable than a 20 Lakh person, this barrier brings the higher Capital
What the irony is recently NSE reduced its lot sizes to encourage more volume in options -> now govt (SEBI) needs to throw out this volume WHAT A HYPOCRISY 😂 Definitely if its implemented it'll cost the market heavily, I think!!! And to note Saketh itself started as an option buyer then gained knowledge + money with support, now he is the same person welcoming the step
It will be more and more tough in India. East India company had come and took control of India because we Indians were not United. We fight among ourselves. Media most of time give wrong picture and people fall for it. This government is illiterate. They don't know abc's of handling the country. People should be vocal and United. People should not be deceived in the name of religion especially youngsters. Last 10 years business has been tough.
My suggestion for SEBI is also from my life.I'm in the market since 2019.First I started mutual funds then ETF then shares and at last stage only I come and started trading FnO.Even I started it with currency options.I believe thats the correct way.Today people are just starting with FnO.Thats not good..! So my suggestion is makw law that allows activation of FnO in new trading accounts only after two years of opening.Like driving license. For heavy license you need to wait two years while you get LMV at 18.So this will ensure proper knowledge for new ones from equity market before entering FnO..!
Just because you are trading ahead of everybody and experienced now, doesnt mean you curb it for others. We need to be able to handle everything that market throws at us at current parameters. Those retail traders losing 1L 10K doesnt matter because that's still a small amount you can earn form even delivering Zomato or being an Uber driver. So many of us started as a speculator. Lost a lot and then we found our foothold. Dont spoil it for others because its becoming tough to make money. Its been tough for me and I have quit options selling for nearly an year now. But I still say everybody needs to have the same opportunity that we have had to make it.
The same thing he mentioned in his recent podcast that beginner should not come for F&O. His ideology is like after getting married and advising bachelor's not to get married. 🤷
09:33 ...No this is bullshit.... i am a retail trader who invests less than a lakh in options and i am making way more than 30% return for the past few years.... this change in lot size will hurt me a lot... come on man..... this is not at all fair
@@tastingtrader7289 to meet my other commitments i'm doing option buying, i can only afford 2-3 lots of 15 to 16k each.... even if i make more than 30%, that gain entirely goes to that commitment.... the next time i have to use same amount of capital..... unlike you i'm not a full time trader...... it will take a lot of time for me to build that kind of capital and i can't wait for that long.....for a trader a missed opportunity is also a loss.... so don't bullshit in the comments of people who are actually hurting
It is better to SEBI keep eye on that 0.2% invester they are making 71.3% turnover in F&O. Actually they are speculating entire market. First SEBI restrict them to speculating the market then retailer.
When the small businesses fail big corporates gets happier.Thats the same here.Increasing taxes will affect all traders including you.But if capital is increased it'll only affect smaller ones.Many will move to option buying.You're a seller so this will also ensure liquidity for you.Once you were a smaller trader you enjoyed leverage and made money.Many new traders didn't get chance for that they struggle from day 1 itself.With that struggles they are trying studying hard to find a success and you saket and other youtube pro traders want them to get out of the market.You made enough money.No risk for you happy.This is pure corporate mentality.Thats all..!
Rich people and Indian goverment never worry about Poor people.. example ur video. u started with ur father's small capital. and gained lots money from frnds. now u have crores to trade in selling. its a happy move for u
saketh ramakrishna dont forget that you were also once a retailer trader with small capital, with that capital only you developed your skill and turned out to be a professional one. so if you celebrate this move then dont forget every one comes from humble background. today you have capital so you would speak as if nothing happened. think ppl like me with skill & small capital?
1)increasing margin would only help flourish alternate non regulated speculative trading negating the purpose 2) they(small players) will resort to either go for cheaper riskier otm or loan more and lose even more. Instead increasing margin only on expiry days and taking away junk every day expiries(retain only 2 major indices) will help the purpose.i would assume a volume analysis could find that most of it may be happening on expiry days. Also if fully hedged then retain the same margin regardless. But sebi wont dare risk the huge money exchange and govt get from charges and tax and therefore only some eyewash change will only happen eventually .
This is a terrible idea 👎 what will beginners do if this is implemented? Also due to taking continuous losses people will eventually blow up their account as SL will also increase subsequently... You are speaking in favor of this rule only because you have already surpassed that beginner's phase and you already have made crores..... Shameful and unexpected from you
Though the words are very strong, I agree with what is conveyed in this message. Saketh is not looking from the perspective of beginners..... It's too disappointing & unexpected from this young & dynamic chap
Its a dumb analysis. He is confusing between turnover and capital. Typically, the turnover tends to be 7 times the capital. So, ₹10,000 turnover means ₹1500 capital. This is 20% of the trades. These are hero zero trades (using OTMs) on expiry day. ₹1 lakh turnover means ₹15,000 capital. ₹10 lakh turnover means ₹1.5 lakh capital. ₹1 crore turnover means ₹15 lakh capital. ₹10 crore turnover means ₹1.5 crore capital. A turnover of less than ₹1 lakh (i.e. capital of less than ₹15,000) is unlikely to be profitable because of money management issues. (i.e one loss can wipeout huge chunk of the capital). But, a turnover between ₹1 lakh & ₹10 lakh (i.e. capital between ₹15,000 & ₹1.5 lakh) is more likely to be profitable. If we take an avg of this zone, we get ₹5.5 lakh turnover (i.e. a capital of ₹80,000). So, any capital above ₹80,000 is more likely to be profitable with money management.
In short, SEBI noticed too many Option Sellers and are taking good steps to flush them out. But what will happen... All those Option Sellers will convert to Option buyers and market will be even more fatter...
It will effect like you people da, making retailers FNO classes, Tidi, srimanta, PR sundar etc etc , now retailers will not take your courses, you people made ton of money by ceiling bakra FNO classes, now retailers go for swing trade and investment and make BIG money.
The Sebi should do max 2% of total capital allowed to buy options in one day rather than increase lot size. This is the best way to keep small capital option buyers away from market
Who the fuck are you or sebi to control the market . The market is open for all who TF are these people to regulate. These mfs has also but a ban on us markets F&O so where will the common people who has skills but less capital go ?
Your assumption is incorrect. It is not the capital it is the turnover I am an option seller and my Fy23-24 gain was net 16.95 lakhs and my full year turnover was 1.43 crores. (12 lakhs avg per month). Capital is more than 1 cr turnover for the whole year is around 1.43 cr
Mr saketh have some common sense, u cannnot restrict opportunity based on wealth. If sebi restrict f and o for people with less than 5 crore capital, then u will also start blaming the move. The problem is not low capital, it’s lack of knowledge. Sebi should focus on that. With low knowledge even 10 crore is of no use. Don’t divert people from the actual problem.
I think this move will misfire...those traders will buy far otm options and end up lossing more and quickly as well, and even sell far otm options 😂...Whatever SEBI does, traders won't stop loosing money....
🤣true - even if 50% of the traders are taken out - in the remaining 50% people will lose money. The market is a zero sum game and someone has to lose for someone to gain.
Who can do Trading should not be based on what capital they have. It will be as equal as people with less money cannot use flight for travelling. There are many small retailers with high skills and better trading psychology. Similarly there are many people with better capital but yet loosing. Instead stop all those nonsense App like Jungli Rummy, Dream11, etc. where huge amount is rolling. Eligibility for trading should be based on some basic certification from SEBI and account with broker can be opened only after providing such certificates.
#Boycott trading campaign >If this game is designed to benefit big fish🐟, Retailers like small fish should boycott for some time. >Boycott & let the big 🐟 suffer liquidity crunch. >I'm an option seller with low capital, SEBI wants to convert me into option buyer. >Don't buy options, boycott for 1 year atleast. #CFBR❤
The peraon with 1cr trading capital will pay 100 times of what a person with 100000 capital pays. Since its all percentage. STT is 0.065 %, ETC is 0.0495% of premium and 18% GST etc.. The person who does more trades per day will be the looser in terms of the charges and nothing related to capital.
This is Mohd bin t\Tughlaq business. Just recently they reduced lot size to 25 from 50. Were they dreaming then. Starting from the finance ministry everybody seems to be going unpredictable and crazy.
Restrict your number of trades per day to 2 Max and do not stay in market without SL. If this is consistent it means you are not gambling and you are disciplined and you see your capital increase. It is same for everyone with any capital. Start will small capital b'coz you can be back to trade in short time even you get wiped out. You should be in market for long time to gain that experience. Which means you should have capital to stay there
Government is okay with people losing money in rummy and other gambling sites calling it a taken oriented game. But #sebi wants to curb people losing money in #fno trading by increasing taxation and minimum lot size. Is it a way to save people's savings or burn it faster? Or just the government wants more money from the money market society?
what nonsense. Charges are the problem then. Put charges proportional to investment and give equal opportunity to all. It's same as taxing lesser to rich people
You should also know about Rs10K - 1L cap traders also making good profits with RR. however you also starts from less capital and then you turn into huge money into trading
No bro you R wrong, retailers improved knowledge day by day, this is affected FIi and DII now they are getting loss, because of DII and FII pressure government is changing fno policy
I think a very basic flaw in the argument of 46% traders with less than 1Lakh is that they cant put more. Most these guys are smart and know the risk of ruin - they trade with 10% of their NW at risk (besides some degens offcourse). Now they will strive to reach 4-5Lakhs before starting trading - which maynot be hard for most people and loose 4-5 lakhs before quitting
when i learned option selling they came up with rule to have 1 lakh+ margin to sell, before that it was way less… everyone has earned so much before that era… same is happening now
So, you are claiming that small traders are gambling and big traders who have a lot of money don't gamble. So, its good if small traders are not able to enter the market. 😂And obviously, if you buy more quantity then you will have more profit compared to someone who buys small quantity. Every trader calculates his risk-to-reward ratio before entering the trade. That is what trading is all about. Managing your risks while taking good trades. Knowledge of trading has nothing to do with initial capital. In trading you can convert 1000 into 1lakhs and similarly, you can turn 1lks in Rs10. This is something that you won't understand.🤦♂
@@sakethr Gambling is gambling which is pure luck. Odds of winning have nothing to do with gambling. Also, you clearly support government view of taking out the small traders out of trading. Because obviously small traders wont have big money needed to enter the trades. First understand the issue and then make video. Dont just think about yourself. Everyone is not fortunate enough to have 30lakhs for 1 trade like you do.
@@namangupta86 Yes in his recent podcast also he said, his advice would be Beginners should not come to F&O. His ideology is like after getting married and advising Bachelors to not get married 🤷
@@spiritbuds19 This is the first video that I watched from him. And I understood that he lacks widom and experience. These newbies learn 1 or 2 techniques and start to think that they know everything about trading. They do more damage then good to the public followers who dont know much. And these are precisely the kind of influencers that the GOI want to ban. But, unfortunately nothing can be done. People have to become self aware and stop following others blindly. I dont blame him. He might not know himself what he is doing. And 95% will loose money in the market.
This rule can reflect in total Indian share market business. Because FII and big players are effected in this act. Also novices traders not come into this business. entire volatile comes to normal like before covit period.
As per recent sebi leaks Retail trading may become difficult and such retail traders may shift to alternative trading modes if possible, however what will those hundreds of thousands of brilliant RU-vid channels do who were servicing ( could not find a better word) these retail traders if this actually happens 😮
Everyone says it's a business.. but it's a pure skill game.. because they don't want to named as playing and making money, they made it sound complex as business...it's business only for the brokers, exchanges, govt. and not for the players/traders. Business you deal with people, customer, clients.. here it's you vs you . So, it's a game of high level skill whether you can handle and manage yourself to the best possible way without damage to yourself... If skill acquired then, he will be one if the humble guy living in this world as he will know all his human weaknesses and limitations to attain that skill.. 😊
Better weekly contracts should be on same date for all markets instead of different expiry like bank nifty on thur, Nifty on friday, finnifty on wed. THis will control the volume
They're fools to think they can scare away retailers with all these draconian regulations, they're obviously having big players wellness in mind, where would they get their profit if there's no liquidity in market 😅, retailers provide liquidity let's see what they do when they implement this
So are you saying that if a person with no prior experience come to the market need to forcefully deploys all their life saving capital 10 lakhs and not give any chance to learn through experience.? If he loss he loss entire capital and permentally out of the market that means only existing people who have now serving now in the stock market only have the benefits of stock market due to the government funds and cooperative investing in stock market for their employees on monthly basics. Are option traders who are making money are getting profit from retail traders ? or from the fund investing by the big firms government or cooperatives? or even from SIP of common people? It is natural who are come first to the market always uses lesser amount less than 10000 for the safety purpose and learning purposes the charges are other part which is the tuition fee they given for learning. In other words Data clearly shows that retails are clearly know their risks not as you say. It is only your interpretation. Because the stock market trading courses fee is greater than 10000 and many trainers are making cores from selling courses. Why retails does not use that amount for trading? Paper trading is not a solution for real experience and is entirely different from real trading - not only due emotional aspect or psychological aspects.
This is called "Financial Racisam" The richer will get richer and poor people have no place in stock market also? Ever one take rich people suggestions only. Poor peoples are treated like untouchables. Poor people have no right in these suggestions. Did SEBI take any suggestion from the people whose capital is less than 1 lakh. Why can't SEBi put cap on big investors volumes? @saketh you are saying poor people should always work like Donkey's and only rich should have right to make easy money.
😂😂😂 good one. .if govt.or pimp sebi is really interested... In protecting retailers.. in any case, regardless of lot size and margin requirements, still the percentage would be 95 loser : 5 winners.. so, stop this drama sebi
This is very bad idea.... generally ppl come with less amount, try to trade and learn from that....if loss, then less loss and it will not dent them, if lot size is increased then no way they can learn, they will loose more in the process of learning... Trading is a business one can learn by loosing and paying to Market
Right, Exactly, I'm also doing like this. Trading with less amount just to learn trading and maintain the trade physchology even though I can trade with big capital. Worst Government
So, are you here to teach trading for ppl having more than a crore ? Because U already admitted that low capital ppl will not going to survive in trading.
If the trader usese zero brokerage, capital does not make any difference. The lower turn over couuld be from the option buyers... not from the sellers..
@saketh , Hi, as u said that by using below link to sign up for first stock account will get the bonus of Rs. 2000 Brokerage Credits. But I have not received yet. Is this really genuine or scam for the new login to first stock.
Hi Saketh... i love your videos and explanations.. everything is about perspective.. maybe you could do a video about the double standard and exploitative nature of the Govt. In giving freebies to GiFt nifty, levying STT, etc.. (not getting into downstream taxes).. Govt has made Entry into the playing field restrictive.. taxing participants in a crazy way... running a casino where the house always wins and allowing very few ppl to win. So its not just the fault of ppl who do not contribute to the turnover as you hv mentioned..
So 9/10 people who would have lost money on just one lot will now lose on "5 lots". Current average of losing Rs 50,000 can jump up to Rs 2.5 Lakhs with some people now forced in taking loans. Dangerous move.
Govt wants to shift the huge money in f&o segment to either equity or mutual funds, both increase cash flow to company capital base. Either two things will happen 1. The gambling will continue. More accounts will be busted. 2. F&O retailers are generally looking for quick bucks, not at hedging. They will lose interest and move on to lottery or something.
9/10 traders lose an average of Rs 50,000 WILLINGLY, increasing the contract size now will increase the losses to around 2.5 L as nothing is done for educating the person. And increasing the contract size is just not going to stop Option buyers from taking loans now to buy bigger contract sizes and lose 5x more. It's sad there's not any emphasis on educating the people. So 9/10 people who would have lost money on just one lot will now lose on "5 lots". Sebi needs to rethink this step if they really want to help retailers from not losing money and focus on education.!
I was the one who whole heartedly supported him when these guyz opened their channel... Now he is saying things like these... The only word that comes to my mind now is a " Hypocrite".
Dear saketh, please look into app issues. I have been sending videos and screen shot to correct the issues. I will appreciate if corrective measures taken. I am really liking your app
sebi should aware and encourage small trader to grow their capital, rather than this, sebi is just eliminating small traders..... It will be like, small traders are not allowed to trade, people with large capital are only allowed.
If they have to go for far OTM then doesn't it make them more gambler than how it is now?😂 So, finally what you concluded with positive or negative perspective?😂😂🤦
Totally unacceptable narrative, one should always look at the path they travelled and just because you crossed that zone it doesn't mean you should validate what SEBI doesn't and vouch for it. Also don't confuse retailers putting RR in reverse who will put 5:1 where 5 as risk and 1 as reward. Am telling you retailers always are smart and does much than you luck oriented guys. Listen to this today am taking a premium or 50rs with nifty 25 as qty and lot as 10 nos.= 50*25*10=12,500rs investment with a 5point target. So profit would be 5*25*10=1250rs for one transaction, tomorrow if nifty changes it to 125lots, then I will take 2lots, and still my profit will be 5×125×2=1250₹ where you find am in trouble as a retailer. I strongly recommend to oppose to topics like this discouraged by so called influencers.
Why SEBI should worry we make 90%Loss by borrowing or keep our magalsuthra in pledge. If they really want cut out the Taxes in trading. Instead of that they want only FII,DII and other heavy capital 0.3% players to book profit by doing this nonsense stuffs.
Increase option buyer contract valu to 50 times or more during expiry day, this will bring volatility down, This move will affect option sellers who has less capital, this move is done to make retailers option buyers and corporates, hni option sellers
You should ask at least ten person whether they are thinking like gambling as you told less amount people will think like that. Then only you should say that. Because they are doing with less amount they are not doing it for gambling but they could not have much amount as you in crores to trade.
Totally disagree with u , no one starts their journey in share market with 10 lakhs even u didn't ,people start with less capital and loose that money and then they learn and start pumping more money and become succesfull in trading jouney even u did the same ,now this measure will demotivate new traders to enter share market
if they are increasing Price with lot size then i guess its fine . 1 lot(15qty) is around 6k . If they increased price of 5 lots(75qty) to 35k. Then its fine I guess......i will have to pay less charges compared to 1 lot. . But if they just Increased the price of 1 Lot to 35k/-. Then its a serious problem.
They will be doing what you mentioned in the first part. But the problem is how will new traders start trading now. 75 qty means loss will also be more than now per SL .
