I like that you show us news about battery tech, but just for the sake of the argument, a charging speed measured in minutes doesn't mean anything, if you don't specify the battery size. Is the charging 8 minutes for 40 kWh, 60 kWh or 100 kWh batteries, cause there is a big difference between these 3 out there?
Agree. However in a partial defense, the "minutes charging" - which annoys me also - is really stating the C-rate, or multiples of the nominal 1.0 kW/kWh rate.
No this is actually correct. It is a property of the battery how fast it can be charged. IRL you may have other bottlenecks such as charger power that limits the speed of charging.
No, he is right, the minutes of charging is the right criteria, the size does not matter at all. 10kw or 100kw battery will charge at the same time if the supplied charging power is 10x more for 100kw battery. In other words, the battery size does not matter, the charger maximum power does.
@@martinhovorka69 The larger the battery, the more powerful the fast charger has to be while maintaining the same charging time. At 100 kWh you will not be able to charge from 10 to 80% in 6-8 minutes with the current CCS charging standard of 800V. That would be 70 kW in a tenth of an hour. Even without charging losses and with a constant charging power, you are well over 500 kW (500 A * 1000 V).
Well this is interesting. But the most important questions are: How many charging cycles does this battery have? How much more expensive is it compared to nmc and lfp?
Charging the car from 10 to 80% in 6-8 minutes will shut the mouth of most EV haters, at the same time, if we see range of 700 kilometres like the Model 3 highland, the range is also on par with petrol cars.
My only problem with that charge speed is I'll get charged for overstaying to often. I'm not wasting time waiting for my car to charge again! I like a 20 min charge time so I can stretch, toilet and coffee 😅
Charging speed ought to be the one thing improved first but people only look at range. My otherwise wonderful Chevy Bolt (summer range of ~240miles) is not great for road trips as it only charges at most at 55 kw per hour. Impractical.
I said about 15 years ago that when range is around 450 miles in all conditions and 80% charging of that in 10 minutes in a medium cost car then that’s when the market for ice absolutely crashes and we have rapid adoption. We have the zeekr SUV close to that now, but I think 2-3 years when mid sized lower end brands get this it’s over
How stupid are you people. You need the electricity to get to the charger first. To say everyone will be charging their cars in 8 minutes is bonkers look at china there the only country to even have the capacity for a few fast chargers to support this nonsense.
I'm hoping at some point, they will start to offer upgrades for older EVs ie my Model S is 9 years old in March 25, has currently covered 267,000 miles and still drives very well. I'd like to think that in 2 or 3 years, I could buy a new battery pack for £4-5k that offers better range, weighs less and charges faster. Plus I can use the old battery for home storage or sell for a decent return. The car is made from aluminium and gets software updates every week, why would I want to change it?!
Prologuim has 1,150 employees. Total revenue was US$85 million in 2023, and their CEO claims to be able to capture 40% of global EV battery sales by 2027. To put things in perspective, CATL has 116,000 employees, of which 18,000 are engineers.
What does 'modular cell design' mean? Seriously, I'd like to know exactly what it means. What makes the new Prologium cell modular (in concept and practice) in contrast to cells made by other suppliers? I'm thinking, nothing!
I've believed for the past 20-years, that once EV's deliver ~500 miles range, charge in 15 minutes, last ~1 million miles with a price parity of ICE, we'll see the end of ICE, and we're just about there now. My Model Y delivers 320 mi's range, charges in ~20 minutes and will last a million miles, which is great for me, but the masses will demand the above specs. Silicon anodes, Sulphur-coated cathodes, with a solid electrolyte, in a prismatic cell, is the future of EV batteries.
I've heard you refer to the CATL Condensed Battery with an energy density of 400 wh/kg. About the cells, you say CATL "manufacture (them) for aircraft". Supposedly these cells have been tested in some 4 ton aircraft. Assuming the present day affordable EV cell with a generous energy density of 280 wh/kg and an optimistic 4 percent annual compounded energy density increase, they are probably 9 years away from ever appearing in EV's with 400 wh/kg.
I think 2028-2030 will be a huge shift to EVs. We’ll have range, charging speed, and battery longevity. For me, it’s about range and longevity. CATL’s 1.2 million kilometer battery is going to be insane! I can’t wait for Tesla to put them into their cars! I’d even be happy with 950,000 kilometers. That’s like the longevity of 3 ICE vehicles for me. What a value proposition that will be! And, the cost to replace the electric motors that typically last a long time would not be a huge expense. I recently had a 100k maintenance done on my car that cost $1600 US! Crazy.
Amazing advancement's,and it seem's they have manufacturing practice and method,which hopefully means they will be cheap/competitive with china/and silicon valley
Confirmed with independent testing? With large battery packs with near megawatt charging speeds? Safety? Durability? Cost per Wh at production time? Although its great innovation is coming at rapid pace in hyper-competive EV battery industry, there are only a few companies that can execute in time/. Typical a big company has either made it obsolete or a copycat technology different enough to avoid litigation or at least tie it up in court for years. In the meantime they gobbled up marketshare before the aspiring smaller competitor can wind up mass production. Unless its such a big difference where there is no other game in town, licensing tech to a big player or getting bought out seems the main way forward for smaller companies.
Honestly it sounds like you're reading a press release with no substance behind it. What is "silicon composite"? The word composite means it's a mix of silicon and at least one other material. What other material? What % of silicon? What is the improvement in energy density? This is what you should talk about. Enovix is currently putting their 100% silicon anode batteries into production, for consumer electronics first not cars. Amprius is doing something similar for aviation. Almost every other battery company is working on adding some amount of silicon to their anode, but none of them seem to have a 100% silicon anode yet.
1000km batteries are here. Nio have a 620miles range test on their car, and with battery swap tech all over China, Nio will change that battery in 10 mins while you're away having a coffee.
Fascinating time to be linked to the entire EV industry!!! Multiple battery upgrade & innovative deployment technologies are converging & getting close to deployment. The new AI platforms coming are going to put ALL of them on steroids, Game changing stuff happening & coming.
My dream is an EV that doesn't have to charge. The idea is that it can run 10 000 km. Each 8 000km you got to put it into scheduled maintenance, to change tires and check everything. After that, you get your car back with 10 000 km autonomy to run 8 000 km again.
This just goes to show how much power the battery can handle...the information about capacity is missing. 60 kWh with 500kW charging power could do 8 minutes...
seems like a new B chemistry is discovered everyday but one important aspect is never mentioned. can it be prodiced at a significant lower cost than the current LFP batteries in China regardless. if it cant, then the improvement technology is a waste of time and space in the market.
The seemingly exponential improvement of battery technology is why ICE cars will be replaced by EVs. As Sam says EVs will be lighter and more efficient….no longer will they be massively heavy.
For most of us who never use a rapid charger the charge speed is meaningless in the past 2 years the furthest from home i have driven is 60 miles I am sure most people will find the same so a 200 mile battery is the largest i would ever need to home charge only even in winter
We will see. So many stories from you about solid state batteries and nothing. A new revolutionary technology, nothing. Will be available in the next decade maybe.
Nonsense, lithium is the smallest ion possible for batteries. There is no shortage of lithium, it can even be found in useful quantities in seawater. It isn't going away.
Lithium is costly to extract from its source materials . It is environmentally costly . It is not found in nuggets . It is not like mining coal veins .
