New Tier 10 German Destroyer For Steel - Z-42 First Impressions 

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but who wants a Harugumo with british smoke and hydro in the game?

@@GodOfWaaar Considering the normal Haru has pretty good torps and legendary upgrade which takes the farming to another level... Smoke was fine,hydro could have been changed from 6 to 5 km and it would solve the "can spot before gets spotted" without obliterating the rest What Steel ship is a weak one when you have the likes of Stalingrad And considering what stuff is about to come into the game *European Style of Radar Smoke DD's with Gdansk as the top of the line...*

@@MrTrool323 "what steel ship is weak when you have a big hunkashit that bursts into flames like a Californian gender reveal party, can't take skills to augument its tankiness, gets spotted from space, and gets devstriked if a single Bismarck has your side"

The nerf probably came in mind of Lutjens. With Lutjens active, Z-42 has about 10k higher AP DPM than harugumo even post nerf, and that seems to be what they are aiming for. A gimmicky harugumo with the weakness against torpedoes removed. IMO this is a reasonably strong steel ship, something like shikishima if you want a comparison - as strong as the tech-tree one, but with some gimmicks and some weakness mitigated. As for the new european DD branch - I'd say don't worry about it, there's no way such a jack-of-all-trade with such absurd strength makes it into the game. One way or another they will be nerfed into oblivion, the only question is how.

You can also switch out the Aiming System mod for Turret Traverse mod.

And too bad all other new content is always power creeping...

They really need to model dds on the WWII class of ships specifically designed to hunt Subs.......

@@Skerra-kk6sm An easy fix would be to adjust DDs detectability to 1-2km by sub, and usual 5-9km for everything else.

Are you kidding? I LOVE hunting subs in DDs--totally fun, and a unique niche role, and a good DC drop is death to subs, but you do have to be careful of the sub's stern tubes when passing one.

@@scotblair3717 He had 8 hits, no kill. If sub has competent teammates then you are shot into pieces. You can kill overextended subs, but try this against a good one. I think it is not worth at the beginning of the game. I agree, in the endgame, if your DD survived, yes, you can have fun and take risk - DD was still killed by the sub, so you don't do this at the start. Generally, BBs are much better for that, unless they are A/H line campers, but then you lost already.

@@Skerra-kk6sm The entire Swedish line of DDs are actually dedicated sub-hunters IRL. Those scaffold-looking structures on the turrets are actually launch ramps for *anti-submarine missiles.*

IFHE makes sense to me as well, but on the other hand, u would have to sacrifice one of the other 3 point perks and all of them seem quite usefull. PQ was mainly using AP so idk if ifhe is worth it in that case

@@NoName-wi8xz ofc it is, you can live without superintendant, you have already 6 smokes. and there will be many situations where HE ( with 32mm pen ) will be much more usefull.

You really cripple your fire chance if you take it and considering how much higher the AP damage is it makes sense to focus in that instead. The He damage is just pityful and you really don't want to shoot HE.

I'd also drop the SI but instead of Demolition Expert I will probanly pick up Consumables Enhancement for longer Hydro and Speed Boost duration. I don't think the extra 1% fire chance will make a difference so I'd rather have longer consumables, espcially considering you lose 1 charge of them due to not having Superintendent.

DE is a must. I use it on Takahashi too, the more guns on the Ship the more useful is DE

dont buy plymouth, mimo is much better

Plymouth is a good ship. It trades a bit of DPM for straight up alpha, which actually is a VERY good trade when you consider that one of the biggest problems that makes radar mino absolutely dented is that DDs with a brain just angle to you the moment you radar them, so you only really get one good salvo of damage. I'd rather do a good Plymouth salvo than a good Minotaur salvo. Furthermore, Minotaur has to choose between smoke and radar. Plymouth just gets both. So you can smoke up near a cap circle and anyone who tries to approach you will get radared and farmed. You're a complete no-go zone for DDs, and unlike Mino, they can't even see you.

Yeah, very interesting, a "well-balanced ship". Funny how only the German ships get "well-balanced" and literally every other nice looking idea gets OP or super OP properties to make it fun, engaging and lasting in the game. The only exception is the recent line of Japanese cruisers, which are mostly dogshit. Z-42 appears to be one of the weakest Steel ships - I would even prefer the Somers because it still has got the torpedo power. For a gunboat the Z-42 is not good enough. I have checked my today's games again before commenting here: 11 games so far, games with NO radar cruiser in the enemy team: ZERO. Games with radar cruisers having 10 km or 12 km radar range: 8 out of 11. The other 3 games were Salem's, Plymouth's and so on. So how viable is such a ship when only unicums or super-unicums can really enjoy it. Why waste the Steel when at the same time Ragnar is available, or when new smoke-radar tech tree DD's are released etc. etc. Why playing the Z-42 when the Daring is a well-proven tech tree ship? Even the Black in Tier 9 makes more sense because it has the long range torpedoes which hit hard. The torp speed of 45 kn is irrelevant. Smoke and radar is so nice that even normal players can obtain great results in ships like the Black. To me, Z-42 is dead on arrival, because for some reason they decide to "balance" the ship. And don't get me wrong, I wish they would return to a more traditional rock-paper-scissors approach and make all ships have significant downsides...but that's not what WG is doing. They continuously release bullshit stronK ships with a million consumables and gimmicks, so that - in comparison - German ships make no sense in 9 out or 10 cases. They are too balanced to be competitive for more than 75% of the player base. Think about bullshit like Friedrich, Pommern, etc. including the Meta morphing into more and more passive, stale gameplay, punishing brawling.

@@bobbwc7011 german dds were supposed to be gun boat initially in the game but they turned into weak boat instead in the current meta with all these balanced ships.

Depends, are you a brawler or a long range sniper?

Just skill grease the gears and if its still to slow put the module on. Its like Klebers traverse

@@zane660 Yep. No way I could live with that traverse as it is

The american solution

Just another turret bro, trust me!

Is that a motorcycle made in Saxony?

It’s based on a Zerstörer 1936B hull. The Z-46 (ingame) already is based on its successor the Zerstörer 1936C and the Z-52 is even more advanced. So with Z-42 using the 1936B hull the number had to be lower for this ship and Z-42 makes sense.

@@tmGrunty ok thanks for clarifying that for me I was curious how that worked....

I had the same thought! I had the steel for the z42! I didn't had any steel ship! Because I had småland I was waiting for that z42 to be my first steel, but after that nerf I get Ragnar! Maybe I will get z42 next year! Keep in mind that Ragnar is 1.5 year out ,, so they might remove her! No! I don't think z42 is better! It would be better before the nerf! 160.000 base He dpm no heal no armor no radar no! Akizuki have something like 190.000base dpm! Wow just can't stand to release a good German ship! Since German invasion xd

Ragnar is a fun gunboat. It has the problem that captain skills are very different from other European DDs, except Friesland which is close. If you like gunboating and can dedicate a captain, you will probably enjoy Ragnar.

@@j_taylor I have Friesland which is one of my fav DD's and a 21pt commander I play on her. So I have been leaning toward Ragnar but have been waiting for Z42 to see how she came out in her final state.

@@waynelawrence5220 I have Groningen with 21 skill commander and she is one of my fav dds! If you have Friesland you're familiar with no torp gun boat dds! I love that play style! I like so much gun boat dds that I play them in a row something like Ragnar then Groningen then Smaland and when I play småland I forget to torp! Z42 have different play style than Ragnar tho! Z42 is more like Daring. I'm completely disappointed with that z42! They destroy her dpm for that British smokes + 6km hydro! There is a lot better dds with much higher he dpm that in 1 vs 1 fight will melt z42! And that is Ragnar too! Ragnar can win in 1vs1 with all dds! Even with småland!

Nein! Es heißt Zett! Zett! Zett zweiundvierzig!!! (z = ts)

What did they do to it?

Basically Z-35 with 5 --> 6km Hydro, higher DPM and engine boost as well as "better" AA and better topps (6-10 km) traded for less Pen (32-->26 mm) and being T8 --> T10

Who asked

​@@olafmesschendorp147 I asked

@@olafmesschendorp147 so what?

@@olafmesschendorp147 I would say your mom but she already knows...ok that was bad one.

Thanks

I liked the original idea of it. A DD knife fighter that could hold its own with the likes of Smaland/Daring/Vampire but have monsterous AP that makes showing broadside terrifying in a dual. They definitely overnerfed it.

I have almost every tier X dd in the game (ragnar) and Z-42 is already one of my favorites. The ONLY thing I fear in her is Smaland. It murders everything else. The Hydro trap, insane ap against DD's and short burst smokes are a VERY powerful combo when utilized correctly.

Fr this was a waste i should have gotten yoshino

You're on crack if you think Z-52 is better than Z-42. Z-42's guns can pen 32mm if you take IFHE and the AP shreds DDs due to its low arming threshold of 18mm. Also, Z-42's short burst smoke is WAY better than Z-52's garbage smoke generator because it allows Z-42 to effectively farm ships and reposition quickly if needed.

Ehm why so negative?

Don't watch the video then 🤡

to address the two replies: 1st - why so negative - because I can be. No one will ever change that. 2nd - why watch - for all his carrying on there is still some good info. Just have to click around the video to find info I want and not all the fluff.

I disagree, i like him talking

@@NoName-wi8xz Ok, thats you