You forgot to mention the 1500 watt inverter, with a plug point in the boot. That means you can charge the 18 kw/h battery with the petrol engine, and then use the inverter to run some things like your TV, lights and fridge at home during loadshedding. Now that's a nice concept☺
We need the PHEV option on the Corolla Cross. Its locally manufactured which should make it more affordable. I do like the option of self charge using the engine as there aren't alot of charging stations in SA and with load shedding it would be hectic charging the battery at home.
Yes, it would be the near perfect car for SA, but not at R800-900k. Govt must drop the 25% EV import duty. It was introduced for golf carts decades ago.
@@BubblesTheCat1 lol dude calm down. I never said the Tiguan was better. I just said they can compete. They have similar power and torque figures but the rav will be way more efficient. So they'll compete yes. And it'll be interesting to see what the public prefers.
Spot on! I think this car would sell. Looking at the price of BEV in SA at the moment, this would be great alternative. R850k is half the cost of BEV in SA for a vehicle of this size. People are paying this price for petrol SUVs without the financial benefit of Hybrid powertrains at the pump. Toyota truly understands their customers and the levels at which they are evolving at embracing this transition to BEV. They are way ahead already with their HEV technology. I would consider this.
BMW IX3, full electric is R1.3M- so far from 1.7M.. totally different class in every way- so there are honestly some good options. 1.3M is a lot of money though- you should rather say that R850K for this is madness. Buy a 200K cheaper version, take the difference and install full house solar system that generates 4K/month worth of electricity… Or wait for the ORA cat full EV for around 600K later this year.
Hoping that the Haval H6 PHEV will come to SA. Testers have gotten around 160km in EV mode on the highway. But it does have a battary size of about 30kwh. But at the end of the day pure EVs are best.
I'd buy it, no question about it. Range anxiety none existent. Toyota reliability expected. Practically and off-road capable. Plus it looks good. What's not to like🤷🏾♂️?
I am sure Toyota SA sees the potential of the transition from HEV >PHEV>BEV , reckon if we can get it at 850k in SA but as a limited niche. Not as a volume seller.
I like PHEVs. Especially diesel PHEVs. In the city and around town you just use electricity where an internal combustion engine is most inefficient. On the highway, you then use the engine since electric cars are least efficient on the highway. You'll get amazing economy.
I think introducing a PHEV Corolla Cross would be a more viable option for SAns. Given that they're built here, and the RAV4 isn't the cost of owning one would be significantly lower.
True, same reason we can't have self-driving cars. One thing hijackers etc. need to watch out for is you driving over them - imagine getting a Tesla or Merc that simply refuses to move in the direction of a pedestrian. Criminals can just gently stroll in front of you and behind you and you're stuck. You'll wish you kept your dumb-as-a-brick 96 Hilux then...
I know someone who had the old one and they've now bought the new updated one. I've driven both extensively. It feels much improved in my opinion. It drives better and the updated engine makes it more economical and refined. A few things I can say: 1) The old one's steering wheel didn't self centre after turning whereas the new one does. Not sure if it's because of improved tyres or the alloy wheels but it's much better 2) It drives more stable on the road and again I'm not sure what it could be. Perhaps the alloy wheels and slightly different tyres make the difference. 3) there is a noticeable amount less engine noise. It now uses the updated engine from the new Celerio. It's more refined. 4) Fuel economy is noticeably better too since the new engine has 2 spark plugs per cylinder. This person used to get between 19 and 20 kms per litre and now gets 21 and sometimes 22. Crazy. 5) There's no more reverse camera but you don't really need it. The updated infotainment system is much much better. 6) It has ESP which is an amazing safety feature especially in a car like this that's tall and narrow with a high centre of gravity. It could be the difference between spinning out and rolling over and not having that happen in an emergency maneuver. 7) the exterior mirrors are now electrically adjustable 8) it has a stop start system where the engine will switch off if you put it in neutral and take you foot off the clutch while waiting at a robot or in traffic. When you press the clutch it starts again and it is surprisingly very very smooth to start back up. I've drive a T Cross with stop start and it was the most horrendous jerky and unrefined stop start system I've ever experienced. The fact that Suzukis was smoother says a lot. It's a nice little zippy no fuss car. It can also do highway runs quite easily for what it is. It isn't fast and loses steam up hills but I guess it isn't the point of such a car.
I can’t wait for the CX-60 PHEV to arrive in SA, however if the potential RAV4 price is around R850k+ then that car could surpass the million rand mark, considering it’s a more premium car
They should've just updated that infotainment system. Would've made a huge difference to making the interior feel like it's from 2023 and not the late 2000s.
I personally think PHEV are the future for most consumers in most African Nations. The most I can commute in a day is less than 50km from home to work and that means at most times I'll be in electric mode. When I wanna go for a road trip, I can be in E mode for a while or just in charging mode to increase my range. This is very good. I just hope Toyota could extend its PHEV to utes 😂 so that I can be in E in my hilux or prado. 😂😂. We can't fully go electric but we can have both of both worlds and the introduction of synthetic fuel, I think the future is seeming bright.
this is a very good vehicle that we need but obviously the pricing economics of getting one vs a cheaper RAV4 can play into consideration especially since most people buy their vehicles via financing deals which means as the stated price difference might be about R4000 per month roughly which you could use towards fuel costs, that aside. Looking into the merits of the technology and the requirements of an EV infrastructure here in SA, this is probably the best option as you can get electric car benefits, hybrid benefits and an ICE car benefits. No range anxiety, and the safety net of an ICE vehicle, and the fact that it can charge the battery as you drive through the charge mode is a win in my case especially if you dont have a garage. It wins on all use cases in my books. If it had fast charging capabilities, where you can charge at an EV station or wallbox in your home at a much faster rate like 7/11kw or 22kw, the charging times would be reduced drastically to be like 40 mins - 3 hours especially overnight at your home/ev charging station
Wonder how much petrol you would use to charge its battery? It is a great option in terms of range anxiety but it must be pricey. If it’s R36 rand from the wall, what is it from the engine? R50? R100? More?
In the end, cheaper than it would be as an ICE, because: * engine runs at optimal efficiency at all times, regardless of vehicle speed * recovery of energy when braking * no mechanical losses These will more than offset the efficiency lost in conversion.
@@bgmilne I hear you on overall efficiency of the car. But there's no way that charging the battery using the petrol engine is more cost-effective than from the wall, otherwise why be a plug-in hybrid at all?
Just launch the bloody car Toyota SA. It's the perfect transition from ICE to EV. Long term maintenance does not worry me. It's a Toyota and they've been building Hybrids for almost 30 years.
"A nice way of saying the government has completely fu$ked us"....🤣🤣🤣 Well said...Anyways, this is the first form of electric vehicle that has ever made sense to my dinosaur self. Seeing I do about 80km a day, this would be a good option!
All the complexity of a petrol vehicle, plus all the technology of an EV, plus the complexity of marrying the two together... Plus the inefficiencies of carrying all that round. And all this being maintained by our wonderful advanced service techs, who seem to battle with even current tech? We will either buy an efficient normal (diesel?) vehicle this year at a much lower price than the RAV4, or wait a few years to see where the EV market goes in SA. My expectation is that affordable Chinese EVs will become available here in the next 3 to 4 years, just as they are already becoming available in Aussie and NZ, as well as Europe. Our usage profile will allow us to charge at home, and 95% or more of our travel can be done with a 400km. We are also looking at solar at home, and the addition of 1 or 2kw per day for EV charging will also inform that decision.
PHEV makes economic sense for those people who've chugged money into their off-grid solar electricity. Surplus solar charge goes to your car, saving you on fuel fill-ups.
If Toyota can make a Corolla Cross PHEV around R500k with 60-80km EV range they'd sell extremely well. It doesn't need to be high spec with fancy gadgets like 360 degree cameras and auto parking and other cack - gimme a basic reliable PHEV with some range at an affordable price that I can charge at home using solar.
I drive Bmw i3 full ev. It is not made for long distance driving. If you drive long distance you have to drive 90 km/ hour. I want to drive 130 to 140 km/h. That is why phev is good use battery for town driving and use enjine long distance driving. With full ev you have drive 90km/h to get full range. No one tells you this.
Lost interest at slow charging .. I live in SA we have blackouts at night 6 hours.. or so. I need a fast charging PHEV that can also run my home and shop ..
Pity it is a Toyota...so it comes with a massive "naming tax". Great idea...but the affordability is just not there. EV's in ALL forms need to get a wake-up...Or maybe my paycheque should get one? Any case...this will be way above me...
Buying this car doesn't make economical sense. Assuming you drive 60 km everyday and on petrol it costs R2,000 a month, buying this car and using the EV only feature would take over 15 years to recover the extra R200k you would pay over a normal petrol version. Of course the petrol price would increase more than electricity tariffs which puts it in the range of 8 to 12 years.
This is a very sound argument regarding electrification of a car because even hybrids command a premium over a regular ICE car although the electric range is practically minimal in that case you spend more to spend less on fuel whereas that price difference you could put it towards fuel
@@m2ngwa89 True! If manufactures want people to take these electric cars seriously they need to lower the prices or lobby the government to give you a grant for buying electric car like they do in the UK.
The bigger question is where the SA car industry will be in seven years time when European and other countries no longer wants our 300,000 pa petrol and diesel exports. If we don't start building EVs here pronto, we could easily lose our BM, VW and Merc plants and all the jobs that they provide.
With this one there are 7 set to go on sale some time next month, at with us at Durban North, you can have the opportunity to grab it before anyone does
It’s rubbish that we get the RAV4 Prime last...it’s been in the overseas market for several years and we only getting it now???... and why does Toyota SA not offer panoramic sunroof and better interior tech and infotainment features ?.?.its rivals have far surpassed this Toyota... Kia and Hyundai much better products
as a concept,it is the perfect vehicle but for the price. Only the minority will be able to afford this and based on that there will be no benefit to the environment. Just watch, haval come out with something similar but affordable.
The only issue I have with electric or hybrid cars is that they do significantly more damage to the environment than the normal fossil fuel cars. You might be calling me crazy but hear me out, when your electric/hybrid car is charging the energy is not coming from a wind turbine or something renewable, it’s coming from coal. If you run out of power what’s going to tow you home? A diesel truck. Look, I’m not saying electric/hybrid cars are bad I’m just saying we need to have sustainable ways to power them.
Never run a hybrid on an empty tank because the electric motors are suppose to create an efficient balance of teamwork but not to replace combustion all together, besides these cars can regenerate and charge themselves if you do not drive like a maniac and to put cherry on top, the electric range is unlimited if you drive locally so that means less charge, less fuel, less towing and less money so can you see that this is a win situation that makes your worry so irrelevant?
