What do you think about the new Space Force rank designs? I think they're definitely better than the Air Force's, but fall short when compared to the other major branches.
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Honestly, I only have two real critiques. 1. There is NO reason for an E-1 to have *any* rank insignia. "You are wearing no rank insignia, because you have earned no promotions yet. Don't sweat it - you're getting promoted in a couple of months anyway; at least you don't have to pay to add a useless insignia until then." The only reason to give an E-1 anything in terms of a rank widget is to avoid the "E-1 Fuzzy" on the MultiCam uniform. If that's the worry, fine, just issue them a blank MultiCam square to cover up (and protect) the loop square. The purpose of rank insignia is to differenciate between troops.of different levels of authority and responsibility - there is zero reason to have any rank insignia for the troop at the bottok.of the ladder. 2. The separated delta in the senior NCO grades is just distracting (literally slowed down counting). Just use the same globe & delta above the downward pointing chevrons the junior NCOs use - the fact they have arcs at all immediately shows they are senior NCOs. As Coco Chanel said about accessories, "Put on everything you want to wear, and then take one thing off." I do like the hexagon taking the place of the wreath for the service level senior NCO. Clean and ties into the rest of the USSF "theme" stylistically, but still clearly links back to the wreaths used for other services. (Just like the the USAF "farts and darts" is clearly analogous to "scrambled eggs" on the other service's hats, while still being uniquely "Air Force".) The new "Class A" service uniforms are just silly. Keep the various insiginia elements (like the shape of the name tags, and the USSF button designs and collar badges) of you like- they actually look cool and distinctive. Keep the color differentiation between the jacket and trousers if you want - that's distinctive. Hell, even keep the popped collar if you want (perspnally, I'd stick with something closer to what the other services use in terms of styling, but there are worse uniform sins than a ST:TNG style Mandarin collar... and if you're going to go with a Mandarin collar on the blouse, couldn't you have gotten rid of the necktie, too, and gone with a banded shirt collar?!?). But for God's sake, lose the 1990s Science Fiction diagonal buttons!
The US space force needs to go with naval ranks only because then the 5 star could be “admiral of the constellation” which is just the coolest rank ever
The specialist ranks are almost Earth Starfleet from Star Trek: Enterprise to a tee which featured the delta through a circular background with angled chevrons on one side
the delta from star trek was taken from NASA and AFSPC, which utilized the Delta, which comes from DeltaV, or the amount of fuel/speed that a satellite has (the greek letter delta represents a change, and V stands for velocity)
the enlisted ranks are: Zero, Fellator, Fellator First Class, Special Fellator, Felcher, Staff Felcher, Felcher First Class, Master Felcher, and Command Master Felcher. The officer ranks should be; Zero, Zero Plus, Double Zero, Major Zero, Lieutenant Zero, Sparrow, Negative One, Negative Two, Negative Three, Full Negative, and Square Zero
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I agree with others opinions that the Space Force should have closer resemblance to naval ranks. Makes sense to me (vastness of oceans/ space). Would be better when starship fleets eventually start moving around
I was actually talking to someone about the rank structure of the Space Force, he was old school army, but he asked me while he was laughing, like what are they called, he said, "What are the enlisted called?" I responded with, "Jedis" "What do you call an NCO?" "A Jedi Knight" "What do you call an Officer?" "The dark side"
United States Space Corps, Department of the Air Force. E-1. Specialist I E-2. Spec II E-3. Spec III E-4. Technical Sergeant I E-5. Tech II E-6. Tech III E-7. Master Sergeant I E-8. Master II E-9. Master III E-10. Chief Master Sergeant I E-10. Chief II (Command Chief) E-10. Chief III (Chief Space Corps) O-1. Lieutenant minor (LT1) O-2. Lieutenant Major (LT2) O-3. Captain minor (CN1) O-4. Captain Major (CN2) O-5. Colonel minor (CL1) O-6. Colonel Major (CL2) O-7. General minor (GL1) O-8. General Major (GL2) O-9. Marshall minor (ML1) O-10. Marshall Major (ML2) (Marshal Major of the Space Corps) New Organizational Command sizes based on ascending spheres of the earth’s atmosphere with Air Force equivalent: TropCom (TrC). Flight StratCom (StC). Squadron MesCom (MeC). Group IonCom (IoC). Wing/Base ThermoCom (ThC). Numbered Air Force ExoCom (ExC). Major Command (MajCom) Space Corps. Headquarters Air Force (HQAF)
Thanks for the great video. I do like the look of the USSFs dress informs and their enlisted rank insignia. I wish they'd do something different with their officer ranks instead of sticking with Army/USAF/USMC ranks. Naval officer ranks would work best IMO or a mix (similar to Battlestar Galactica).
I could picture them 'borrowing' from the Army's Warrant Officer ranks; no square on the bar could mean '2nd Lieutenant, one square means 1st Lieutenant, two squares for Captain, and so on. that could work up towards Colonel, with what they call 'the lightsaber'. After that, they just go through the General ranks with stars.
@@Geerice with the exception of Navy Lieutenants. They have the same insignia as Marine Corps Captains, but the other branches use Army rank insignia. They both look kind of like railroad tracks, but the Navy has their bars on the ends ; the others are closer to the middle.
This is a marvelous decision from our newest military branch, US Space Force. Whoever thought of this was genius. Truly impressed with this. From US Air Force Security Police Military Veteran.
@@Georgehanes-GJH105775 Generally, only maritime forces are different. The Navy and the Coast Guard have the same officer ranks, and the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force all have the same officer ranks. IF, and that's a big IF, there were to ever be a space-faring military service, adopting maritime ranks would make more sense. But because the Space Force is going to continue to operate on earth and employing assets in space to the battlefield on earth, it makes more sense for them to continue with the ground forces rank structure.
@@brycepatties As a member of the Space Force I can say that we're a LONG way from that. By the point that we'd even want people on an RSO, there is likely no need for people to even operate a weapons-system. This push to make the USSF fall in line with maritime traditions is not very well received by moat people in the USSF because it mistakes Sci-Fi for reality.
The Space Force came from the Air Force. The Air Force came from the Army Air Corps (esentially the Army). So that makes the Army, the Space Force's grandpa.
Your information on the 1976 rank of 3 stripes with one star was Senior Airman, not Airman First Class. There was no Airman 3rd and 2nd Class, it was Airman, Airman First Class and Senior Airman. Then after one year as a Senior Airman you got your "star" and became an NCO earning the rank of Sergeant. Also known as "Buck Sergeant".
They're only doing this because they don't want any space force to be a _Star _*_Fleet._* They're pushing ahead with Air Force designations because they don't want _Naval_ designations. At some point however, it will become a Star Fleet just due the sheer size and number of *_ships._*
134 years from now in 2155, the space force will only have officer rank. the ranks are: crewman 3rd class, crewman 2nd class Crewman 1st class. These crewman ranks are equivalent to today’s warrant officer ranks. Then ensign followed by Lieutenant commander then commander. After these ranks, more senior officer pay ranks are captain which is the rank that commands a starship. Those wanting to go above the captain will be promoted to admiral and then fleet admiral is the highest fleet commander in the force.
And then the space force will start to use mechs transported on ships to do the actual fighting, and with time the mech pilot will get their own branch, the space marine corps!
Thank you for this information about the Space Force. If we continue to exist as a nation this could really be the branch of the military to join in the future.
My mom says that the uniforms for the Space Force look like Captain/Admiral Kirk's uniform from Star Trek: Wrath of Khan to Undiscovered Country. And I do see it, but the BSG look is more my style. She also says that we don't need military in space, and instead, need Government Medicare for all... to both of those, I say "heresy."
It is cool that the Space Force wants to adapt their own shit, just like all the other branches, but looking closely at them E-5 through E-9, their chevrons and rockers look like the Navy's rank insignia, only difference is the hexagon and we have our rates where the globe is.
i think that the first crops of space force officers should be trained by marine DI's, that way space force personnel could be *Space Marines* . your welcome. :D
Since everyone E2 - E4 is a specialist who does the everyday duties as support: Finance, Admin, Security Police, Law Enforcement, Recourse Management, etc. . . . Are these non-Specialist duties fall under normal USAF Amn - NCOs as support personnel? Which includes First Sergeants (diamond),
I just wish we could have NOT called it "Space Force." Space Corps would have been better; featuring Space Marines, The Army of Darkness, The Force Choke and The Water World Watchers.
Im curious how long it will take for the Navy to be phased out. At some point, a need for a water based military force will drop. I wonder if the Navy will replace the Space Force, work with them in tandem, or just be erased completely
Yet another set of enlisted ranks to confuse any military guy. An E-5 in the Army has 3 stripes. An E-5 in the space force has 3 stripes with the USSF logo. An E-5 in the Air Force has 4 stripes. An E-5 in the Navy has 2 stripes and an eagle.
I say it was too soon to separate USAF from USSF. Should have waited until there were actual career fields for servicemen that WOULD take them into actual spaceflight on a somewhat routine basis. There should be no Navy if you have no boats and no water to run them in. There should be no Air Force if you have no aircraft. There should be no Space Force if the servicemen don't have a mission or a method to get into space and perform it.
why not a earth defense force since they are not advance enough to build or first interstellar engine and dont have any massive fleet of spaceships to attack other planets
Once there are ships capable of transporting personnel on a large enough scale, the Navy is just going to absorb both the Air and Space force because why wouldn't it...
I was joking about this with my friends yesterday. We poke fun at the SF now but one day the first space warship will have its commissioning ceremony and there will be some 90 year old SF vet in this uniform giving an interview about how they paved the way while the world memed hard on them.
@@aquamonkee i heard their building a ship called the Column of Spring? Tower of Summer? Obolisc of Winter? No...ah well i can't remember it right now...
You want to see the uniforms where the sci-fi came from have a look at the BUF uniforms from the 30s. Something like those would be the crack for a space force. Or you could go with yellow Lycra yoga suits like Star Trek.
A Guardian who uses Reddit pitched designs on Reddit to other Guardians and got other people's opinions, but it was officially decided on by actual Guardians through official channels.
I can just imagine the type of insults drill instructors say now. What kind of pus*y are you? Are you a Space Cadet? Even the Air Force can now use that line.
Nah, the space cadet's will get folded in the Marine Corps and it's fleet into the Navy. The navel do to international treaties saying the anything not on earth maritime laws apply, and the Marine corps due to it's high mobility needs
All jokes about the insignia designs aside, it's understandable that the U.S. Space Force wants to establish its own identity as an independent and relevant service branch. The fact is that the United States of America is very dependent on its satellite networks for both civilian and military use. There is no doubt that the U.S. Space Force will become an important and integral service branch responsible for maintaining and protecting our nation's satellites necessary for our daily lives.
Almost every country is highly reliant on US satellites for civilian and military use. I appreciate the ground work the US layed for the wealth of geospatial info we have today and hope that they seriously look into protecting satellites especially when anti satellite capability is becoming more and more competent.
Keeping the GPS network free, updated, and protected alone is critical in the modern world. Those kinds of developments were originally military, so hopefully the new branch will keep up those traditions.
I think that the US Air Force made a mistake when it eliminated the warrant officer grades in the 1950s. It would be cool if the US Space Force was to reintroduce the warrant officer grades because there could be some duties of the newest service branches mission that would suit those ranks.
But the US Air Force has never looked back with regret to eliminating the Warrant Officer ranks. The Warrant Officer responsibilities are split between NCOs and company grade officers.
While people may laugh at the idea of "Space Force," keep in mind that generals prior to World War I laughed at the idea of aircraft being used for military purposes. Wars were fought on the ground with infantry and tanks, or at sea with battleships. However, once aerial photography started taking place and those same generals got a bird's eye view of the enemy's positions, they quickly realized the value of what they previously laughed at. War has never been the same, and an air force arguably becomes the most important component of a modern military. Moving into the 21st century where various organizations are planning manned missions to Mars, or have invested interests in satellites, it only makes sense for the Space Force to be the next evolution of the US military as we reach for the stars and beyond. We will soon outgrow this planet, and spread our cosmic wings and fly onto other worlds. A military branch of service needs to lay its foundation now in preparation for the future, just as the pilots did in World War I.
You're forgetting about the crucial fact that any kind of military conflict around earth's orbit would create a shit ton of debris and NOBODY wants that.
I thought Tanks themselves were also pretty unorthodox. I could see how the idea of a big metal box with wheels carrying a big gun through mud and trenches would also sound pretty absurd at the time.
@@kght222 Just think of the mascots Marvin the Martian from bugs bunny or the The Great Gazoo from the jetsons. The the team name will be the space ghosts.
I am a retired veteran of the USAF. I like change, but sometimes I wonder if the money would have been spent better if they had just expanded Space Command in the USAF? But I guess if the Marines grew out of a need to have a fighting force for the Navy than I guess there is a need for a branch totally sperate from the USAF? I also wonder was this just a political move? Just like I remember all the times we changed base colors or uniforms when we got a new top general in the USAF that wanted to make a mark for himself?
Army said the same about the air force in 1947. The air and space forces have two entirely different mission sets that if kept together will just result in the air force continuing to ignore space assets in favor of more funding for their own priorities. The space force would Practically be only getting the air force's metaphorical leftovers.
@@andrewlechner6343 You are talking apples and oranges in this case. The Air Force has a thing called commands. They would have been able to get the job done under Space Command. And, oh by the way every branch of the military has to compete with each other for funding. So even with Space Force as its own branch they still could be denied funding in favor of other branches.
