NHL Worst Plays Of All-Time: Did The Flames Score In '04? | Steve's Dang-Its 

So what do you think...Goal or No-Goal?

As a Flames fan, I’m more disappointed with the fact that Iginla never won the cup than the fact that they lost in ‘04. He was such a great player. 🏒

“If you didn’t like Jarome Iginla, you didn’t like hockey” god just spoke those words through your lips

It was Calgary flames day in my high school and I was a lightning fan so I wore my Tampa jersey and my first period teacher said it was ok too hit me.

Iginla is one of the most complete players of all time. Dude was a straight up monster in the 2000s.

"I won't blame you at all if you click x to exit the video. Just know that there's a small chance that you might miss the x by half an inch" lmao oh my god

16 years later and Flames fans still get set off by that play

When I get to heaven, I will ask God if the puck is in

Welp, I was having a damned good day until I clicked on this video 😭

Good lord, Jarome Iginla is such a beast.

"That's the CUP! That's the CUP!" Those times I REALLY cheered for a team, I found myself hopelessly on the wrong side : 1994 Bure's Canucks, 2003's Kariya's Ducks and 2004's Iginla's Flames. (Same thing with the NBA. [Steve Nash!!!] Except last year, thanks Toronto!) Please do 2003's Kariya "off the floor on the board"... that hit ruined his whole career but also his performance in game 7.

Even in Edmonton we loved Iggy. We can say that. Now.

People forget how insane the Red Wings were that year and how Kipper was so good

“SCORE!! GAME 7, MARTIN ST. LOUIS!!! WE ARE GOING BACK TO TAMPA BAY!!!!” Gosh I miss Gary Thorne.

"[hockey is] people on knife shoes fighting for the last Oreo" - some random person on Twitter

As a Flames fan, it was in. The most annoying part is they were able to bring up the replay before the puck was dropped, but no one in Toronto even blew the horn to check it. The puck was dropped without even a chance to review it.

Vinny wasnt captain at the time it was Dave Andreychuk. Cmon you should know that

Can we just get a video of Steve saying "no, it's not Phaneuf. How dare you" On infinite loop?

Funny thing is, Before Martin St. Louis got to Tampa Bay he was signed by the Flames and cut by them

When I talk to Flames fans about this it's crazy how often they remember it as being in overtime, rather than with 7 minutes left against the 3rd highest scoring team in the league.

"it will make the tooth fairy re-mortgage their house" -Steve Dangle 2020 Edit: 12:41

Martin Gelinas was probably the most clutch scorer in the playoffs when timing alone is considered. He also scored the series winning goal in OT in Game 6 to send the Carolina Hurricanes to the 2002 Stanley Cup Final 👀

Watching gelina score the series winning goals got me fired up all over again. I was 14 when that playoff run happened. God.... I miss kiprusoff

As a life-long Flames fan I used to be really bitter about how we lost in 2004; but I was 15 then, I'm 31 now, I've grown up a lot since then, I've learned a lot about the world and myself, and I've come to appreciate what a good story the Lightning had going for them. That franchise was a *dumpster fire* just 6-7 years prior, when they put up 3 straight sub-20 win seasons, the team was awash in debt (equal to *236%* of the team's value in 1997, according to Forbes!) due to some of the worst misownership ever seen in pro sports, by a Japanese consortium so shady and mysterious that at least one potential buyer for the team backed out because _he didn't think their leader actually existed._ And then things got better. Stable ownership finally arrived, they drafted Vincent Lecavalier, picked up a disgruntled Nikolai Khabibulin from Phoenix, signed Martin St. Louis as a free agent because Calgary _cut him_ (thanks for that, Craig Button!) and away they went. Plus, like, I know we Canadians love to rag on Sunbelt cities, but honestly Tampa's proven to be a _really good_ hockey market: they still hold the playoff attendance record from the 1996 playoffs, when they drew 28k at what was then called the *ThunderDome* (best arena name ever IMO) and what's now called Tropicana Field; they always hold one of the league's best average attendances year in and year out; and on top of everything else they actually _regularly outdraw the Tampa Bay Rays._ So yeah, losing 2004 used to really get under my skin, but it's been 16 years and I've moved on; what bugs me more about that era now is Craig Button's awful run as GM before Sutter came aboard to fix things, and the fans who _haven't_ moved on and still insist we were done dirty by a conspiracy of... some sort. Anyways, congrats again, Lightning.

Kiprusoff in '04 is still the greatest playoff goaltending performance of all-time

And the fact that that's the closest a guy like Iginla came to winning the Cup, that hurts even more

As a huge oiler fan my whole life, hell YES that puck crossed the line! Both times! But especially in 04. The Calgary Flames are indeed the 2004 Stanley Cup champions. Sorry flames fans you deserved that W

Thank you for educating a recent ice hockey fan on hockey history

I remember watching this when I was 8 yrs old. I’m and oilers fan, but I cheer for any Canadian team to win the cup. I cried for like an hour after they lost

Thanks for letting me relive my childhood trauma, it's a bit of closure now

Fantastic video! Always loved Iginla & The Flames despite them not being my home team. Seeing this live on tv was absolute pain. I so wanted Iginla to bring the cup back to Calgary. I remember I was watching the game live with two of my childhood friends who were rooting for Tampa at the time and I vividly remember arguing about that play for HOURS after the game. They also somehow knew the shift of momentum would be in Tampas favor after that play. I did not want to admit it of course and they busted my balls about it hahaha.

Huge huge Flames fan here. Partied hard and 04 was our glory. In fact it was so magnificent and we partied so hard and so well that when we lost there was no riot, there was not fires or looting, cough cough Vancouver. In fact 30+ thousand showed up to cheer our team in a losing party. I don’t know if that was in but what pissed me off was there was not even a review.

As an oilers fan. I was cheering for the Flames to win (living in southern Ab you kind of had to... and yeah John Shannon's explanation kind of ruins the speculation.

My heart is broken... again. Thanks Steve. We tried to put it behind us, but no, you just have to torture us for no reason.

Considering we know the puck hit the goalies toe before being kicked away, yeah there's a 90+% chance that puck was in based on how deep the toe was inside the net.... But that's just based on my own experience playing as a goalie, in terms of what we can actually see from replays, it's a toss up, nothing clear either way

History repeats itself I guess 💀

You opened up an old wound! It brought back all the frustrations from that series and those playoffs... and I’m a Sens fan!

Well it would've been nice if they had just reviewed it and said no goal, even if it wasn't a goal and they reviewed it, it was pretty close so we have no idea what they would've said, and I don't think anything can be conclusive because we never get to see the overheard on the original play

I was cheering for Calgary to win, but it definitely wasn't a goal. You can't see cross the line, the John Shannon explanation is perfect.

Uhhh! Was Lecavalier the captain? I was so sure it was Dave Andreychuk.

They should use sensors in the goal post like in football (soccer), that could help

As a flames fan I’m thoroughly outraged

That 2004 Stanley cup banner should be hanging in our stadium… but no.. it’s in Florida… that was 100% an OT goal

Great job Steve, as usual. I was cheering for Tampa Bay, in this series. It also brought me back to the “No goal’ controversy with the Buffalo Sabres and Dallas Stars. That goal hurt a bit worse, as it decided the Stanley Cup, and am a Sabres fan. You have said before, if it’s close, celebrate like you won and maybe they go with it. Thanks again for capturing the thrills (and lows) of hockey! Keep up the great work!

Betcha Oilers Fan Steve thinks something of this

Bruh, 2010 flyers bruins series is like a top tier dang it.

I (born in Calgary) was at that game, flew in from Vancouver and took my two little cousins. Spent a fortune, still have our tickets, even got to meet the late Ken King that day. I thought my team was finally going to win the Cup and I had patiently waited and saved all playoffs to come in for a game. This really did sting and that recap was fantastic. My wife (born in Vancouver) wasn't a hockey fan until I converted her and I am going to make her watch this. Well done. The goal was in in 2004 standards and should have counted. This is why I believe in alternate universe's/quantum physics because somewhere, I celebrated the Flames winning that game and the Cup of 2004. #triggered

It was in! It absolutely was in. Flames got absolutely screwed. Gelinas confirmed that the puck was in last year. I know it's hard to see but it's across the line. To this day, Flames fans are still angry about this. I am too. And the trip on Chris Simon should've been called. That could've changed the entire series and Calgary could've won

12:18 Ah ah! So perfectly true! I always thought hockey was kinda magic, or art... playing a sport on skates!!! And wondered the same thing : who invented that?

Even without a possible parallax view, that angle you kept showing didn’t show the puck in the net. There is one overhead view that does seem to show it in though.

That's the type of Dang It that makes Steve talk to those hockey figures again. Imagine in an alternate universe, Flames fan Steve still rips his heart apart from the devastation that is the Stanley Cup Final no goal. Truly, a fate worse than losing to a 42 year old Zamboni driver who works for your team.

I'm still haunted by this. Martin Gelinas would have gotten the SERIES WINNER in every single series (including this goal). It was destiny ruined

Still waiting for the whistle in Game 6 of the 2017 final in Nashville.

Even as a long time lightning fan since 92, I felt bad for Calgary , they were an amazing team back then.

"SCORE! GAME 7! MARTIN ST. LOUIS! WE ARE GOING BACK TO TAMPA BAY!!!" The 2nd finest call in Tampa Bay Lightning history, behind, obviously - "THE TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING HAVE WON THEIR FIRST STANLEY CUP!!!"

NHL needs to implement goal line technology like soccer, if the puck completely crosses the line, the watch buzzes, beeps, etc. Why Not !

It was in, goals like that have counted before and after this. Refs back then knew fuckall about some parralex bs. We don't even know the height or the angle of the puck. Their eyes were the ones to judge if the puck was in or not so either they were blind or they had no guts to call it a Stanley Cup winning goal.

Lol clearly a goal. This was objectively one of the worst screw overs in sports history. The 2004 playoffs were amazing tho, one of my very first sports memories. The Flames ran an absolute gauntlet in the western conference. That Red Wings team they beat in 6 was so deep.

How is this still a thing? It was clearly the parallax error. To be fair, if it was called a goal, it would have stood, but there wasn't close to enough evidence to prove a goal

Damn, names like Iggy, Saprykin, Gelinas, Niemenen, Kobasew, Conroy, Simon. Never been that invested in a hockey team again

Another question: if the 2004/05 season had been played would the flames have been able to use this outcome to fuel a Stanley cup run?

Using the Shannon and Thorne explanations as to why that puck wasn’t in is a stretch because the puck was going in a different direction and it doesn’t take into account the placement of Khabibulin’s pad. Even if you could make the argument the puck wasn’t in, Kerry Fraser’s atrocious reffing also cost the Flames a game and momentum in the series.

Im an oilers fan and Iginla is by far one of my favorite players. Kipper was dope too at the time

You know who was the closest and had the best angle? Martin Gelinas, and he said from the very beginning, before anyone started looking at replays that he thought it was in. Of course, he was a little bit biased.

I think this may be the worst non call of all time. Def was a goal. I’m a Tampa fan. Calgary was straight robbed

The fact they dropped the puck so quickly after a moment like that....NHL trying to make hockey big in USA moment.

Come on lightning, 2020 is your year. Make it the 2nd cup ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️

I also recall a Tampa player tripping a Flames player as he almost broke out of the zone in the 2nd OT of Game 6. Just because you're laying on your stomach, doesn't mean you can use your legs to prevent a player from skating passed you which is what he had done. In fact it's at 14:56.

Its all dependent on how far above the ice the puck is

Not a Flames fan but they got robbed. That was absolutely a goal

Tampa fan here... First off - I feel your pain, Calgary. We'll never know if it really was in or not... But with that breakdown by ABC during game 7 - I'm 99.9999% sure it wasn't in... The puck was in the air. If it was flat on the ice, goal. If it's above the ice even 1 inch - no goal. We actually did a project in my high school math class where we had to take the measurements of the puck, and do basically what ABC did... Obviously we didn't have fancy computers, but in the end it was determined that something like 30% of the puck was across the line... But that's no goal. Gotta be 100%.... Actually, might have to be 101% in or else you may not be able to see the little gap between the puck and the goal line. Second - I feel for Iginla. I was at every home playoff game during the Lightnings cup run, including game 7 of the ECF and game 7 of the Cup Finals... And I had the opinion that I would LOVE to have Iginla on our team. Of course, because hockey, and being in the middle of the cup finals - not many Tampa fans agreed with me... Anyone in red was a mortal enemy. But that statement that if you don't like Iginla, you don't like hockey is so true. I still think that Lecavalier vs Iginla fight is one of the best fights in NHL history... Not best as in most violent or a knockout... But best because it was between not only the captain of the flames vs the assistant captain of the lightning (Andreychuk wore the C that year for Tampa then retired, so Vinny was captain from 2006 - getting traded... I still HATE the fact that we traded him - he's a legend in Tampa and literally everyone adores V4 here in Tampa. But here are 2 players who are capable of scoring 50 goals a season duking it out - and they weren't playing patty cake. They were both throwing BOMBS at each other. Vinny got in the first few good shots... Iginla then comes back to land some good shots on Lecavalier... And then they just punched each other pretty much evenly. It wasn't a 10 second long "fight" where they each grab each other's collar and hit the other guy in back of the head... It was like a minute of true anger between 2 of the most skilled players in the NHL at that time. They were both big boys too.. Vinny was like 6'3 and 210.. I think Iginla was maybe an inch shorter but 10lbs heavier.... And both of them actually knew how to fight. I remember that fight fired up the lightning players so much they were almost breaking their sticks banging on the boards. Id give the fight to Iginla in a close decision... But it is a very close decision. Iginla fought more than Vinny, but Vinny actually started it and stood in there toe to toe with one mean mf'r. God I love hockey!

Sabres fan here: *INTENSE FLASHBACKS TO GETTING SCREWED IN ‘99* 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫

Lived in Calgary at that time Was on electric Ave on game nights It was a goal We were robbed

"You might miss the x by half an inch." That is pure gold.

No, it looks like the puck is still in the air in the shot where the white is visible. I believe that is ABOVE the line, but not completely across it. You can tell by comparing it to the position of the pads.

Scientists: "Actually it's a paralax visual illusion.." The entire Canadian population: "Paralax, Snorlax.. THE FLAMES WERE ROBBED."

Ay delete this fam

The puck is clearly in the net. Show me the angle that it wasn’t in. Therefore it’s a goal.

Oh my God it hurts still. Totally forgot about this until now

Leafs fan here. That was a goal.

Even as a Habs fan, I'm still very frustrated with this. I can't even imagine if I was a life long Flames fan. Hockey Gods owe the Flames a cup, big time.

So many issues with John Shannon’s parallax take. He just quickly mentions the fact that the league made assumptions on the height of the puck and the way it was positioned, well that’s everything right there. The height determines the the degree of parallax. Also, Bennett’s shot went deeper than that still. Lastly, the fact that the league was given another chance to fix the camera angle issues and still haven’t figured it out to this day is damning. Multi billion dollar league and yet they can’t find an angle where parallax cannot be argued? Are you kidding me NHL? FAIL on the league for the lack of review in 2004 too, they didn’t make the right call, they fell ass backwards into a forever controversial one

Does giving up 4 goals in a 5 minute major with 10 minutes left in period 3, after leading 3-0 in a game seven, only to tie the game with 6 seconds left, then choke in OT count as a cartoony enough dang it?

The NHL equivalent of the Tuck Rule

At the time, I KNEW it went in. I was SURE. Now, I'm not so sure. I think the NHL got it right, for no other reason than it is inconclusive.

Looking back, I more want that win for Jarome Iginla, not the Flames. Guy worked his ass off for years and not having his name on the Cup is a shame.

It was in

The problem I have is the fact the NHL never reviewed it. Sure, they said they did, but they didn't. I'm f they were going to review it, the play would've been whistled dead right there. It wasn't. If it was being reviewed, the announcers would've said something. They didn't. There was zero review of that play because the NHL doesn't want a Canadian team to win the cup. Think about it. No Canadian team has won the cup THIS CENTRY.

Awesome miracle save...NO GOAL...Nice video..cheers from Brazil

For Flames fans, Gelinas is a hero and icon. It was in.

How about the sabers Dallas “foot in the crease” goal?

But the puck kept moving, and hits Khabibulin's toe, and then comes out of the net.... That was our cup.

Martin Gelinas lives in my neighborhood I’ve been wanting to say it was in to him for some time now lmao

Gelinas goal is definitive proof that Bettman hates small market Canadian teams. There’s no money in their TV rights and tanks league revenue. The reality is the NHL can’t afford a team like the Flames winning. I hate the Flames, but they were unreal that playoff run. They were undeniable… Until Bettman intervened.

Wouldn't have counted. Back then that would have been considered a kick. They didn't have the kicking motion call back then

I’m a bolts fan and that puck was 100% in.

The Flames Should have won the Stanley Cup in 2004

I GREW UP IN THIS ERA OF FLAMES FAN. NOW IM A LEAFS FAN. MY LIFE IS PAIN

I’m a Lightning fan and I think this incident is why, 16 years later, Canadians still have such disdain for them. The Bolts ruined the Cinderella run of CANADA’S TEAM! Even though Carolina and Anaheim did the same thing to Edmonton and Ottawa in the next two finals, somehow the Lightning get all the grief. Every year since then it’s been either “let’s get Vinny Lecavalier traded to Montreal” or “let’s get Stamkos to sign with Toronto” or “let’s pat the whole franchise and fan base on the head even though they have a roster full of amazing players and they’ve sold out their building for like a decade straight and the Bucs have been so blazingly incompetent for so long that Tampa is believe it or not an honest to God hockey town now.” By the way, if they’d called that play a goal on the ice it would have stood. Totally inconclusive.

My high school principle was Mike Commodore’s mom. I was wearing my Lighting jersey to school the day. She was not happy