This is horrifying. I'm a mental health nurse. Many of our female patients are survivors of sexual abuse, and don't want male staff or other male patients near them. To insist that their views are disregarded is utterly disgraceful.
Thankyou, I happen to be one of those women. It seems a mentally ill MAN'S feelings, far outweigh a survivor of DV, I absolutely despise these vile, disgusting men who pretend to be women and trick us into believing it, that's psychological abuse and that is violence against women, in my country anyway.
Absolutely nutty. The NHS would be prepared to refuse me healthcare, for which I have paid, in order to prioritise a healthy staff member's feelings over my physical need for treatment. This needs a strong legal smack down straight away.
Irrational. Histrionic. Narcissistic. Solipsistic. Self-centred. Superiority complex. Exhibitionistic. Plays victim. Evades all accountability. Passive aggressive. Manipulative. Deceptive. Demands everyone affirm them. Surely all that qualifies them a place in the category, no?
If you want to know how much healthcare workers value your health, try to make a Doctors appointment. My Auntie was utterly abondoned by a outright cowards who was too busy cowering in fear of COVID, never got to see a Doctor until the cancer she had developed had progressed to stage 4. She died shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned NHS Doctors are cowardly murderers. Definitely in breach of the hipocratic oath.
The entire public sector in a nutshell... "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell.
@@snsn7251 I totally agree! I am psychotherapist being put repeatedly in a position of validating an identity which feels unreal and fragile! I do that every time I say their name!
No-one should ever challenge a person with dementia. It causes a great deal of unnecessary confusion and distress for them. How dare TRAs demand that people with a disease of the mind be traumatised to affirm their delusion? As a woman, I absolutely demand the right to have care from a woman - not a crazy man with a fetish who feels empowered to display his paraphilia in public.
It’s seems very odd to me that anyone would want to insist on doing intimate care on someone. As a healthcare worker if a patient said to me “I don’t want you do my care” I’d be like alright one less job to do . Why would you want to wipe someone’s bum if you didn’t have to weird
This news is absolutely horrifying. As a women I really hope the sex act is changed and then this will never become a reality. If not, then I simply will not attend any hospital appointments. Helen Joyce is correct - it is about boundaries and the rights of vulnerable patients. The trans mafia need a lesson on decency, respect and personal boundaries.
@@exlesoes Because you have the right to specify a male or female health practitioner. And contrary to what the woke morons would have you believe, there are only two genders!
@WhiteAndProud-gk6dr A healthy society offers the same level of actual care and knowledge to every member. As long as money is the motivator, the decisions will not be in your best interest. Perfect example is the trans ideology: it makes lifelong patients, so doctors are paid to say it's perfectly safe for kids to transition. No other "minority" required so many hormones and operations, so they never got a push like this.
I, and every woman has a right to know someone's sex if we're receiving intimate healthcare. A man in a dress would not be my first choice of healthcare worker if I was having treatment in any private place on my body. Refusing care from a trans medic is not discrimination it's called ' choice' the two are totally different. What if a woman has been seriously sexually abused by a man and has been no where near men for years, so the NHS is saying the trans medics feelings are more important than that woman's, they've got to be joking.
It's also called boundaries and individual boundaries must be respected. As for knowing their sex, you'll know that the minute they walk into the room and if not, as soon as they speak. Men and women look different, hold our bodies differently, walk differently, men have broader shoulders, narrow hips, longer arms, stronger jawlines. Very few of these people pass beyond a very cursory observation as the opposite sex. What is happening here is that they know it, the activists know it and we know it. Consequently, they are now using force to make us go along with the lie, because they know that we won't do it voluntarily. Men cannot become women. This is a biological reality and none of us, men or women, should be forced to go along with the delusion that they can.
I am grateful for eloquent women like Helen Joyce who can summon enough patience to give articulate responses to these continuous assaults on our rights. I'm just beyond words at the sheer callousness of this latest NHS document.
Thank goodness for Helen Joyce you can see the presenter struggling, Helen is getting it right let’s hope the government starts waking up to the dangers.
I'm grateful to learn her name, Helen Joyce - I'm going to follow her if she has a web site! Thank you for using her hame, I'd been scrolling through trying to find it :]!!!
As a female I can choose my primary care doctor based on if I would prefer a female doctor over a male and I have, as I know other women have. Women/females are loosing our identity and all our rights to trans. There is something insidious going on here, that is deeper than just trans rights.
You just now beginning to become aware of the brainwashing going on by the Controllers? Stop watching the State News shows, and you might recover from the hypnosis of propaganda.
It is the super wealthy and elites of wef and un club of Rome, bilderberg group, push towards transhumanism. It is the push towards Malthusian depopulation tactics so the few super wealthy can keep the resources for themselves after their lives are extended, It is a push to set society against each other and cause chaos as only out of chaos and confusion do they believe they can change the world order. It is a push to make heaps of money for all those that invest in hospitals doctors and aftercare for these super confused people. Such companies are amazon and Jeff bezos. Blackrock and lary Fink, George S oros, Gates foundation and b. Gates several super famous hotel owning and the guelph family are some names. Not only have they ploughed money into medical care facilities they are also into transhumanism and giving us covert drugs to decrease aggression so that everyone will go with the flow of making the human race unrecognisable and unable to reproduce after they have castrated and made society eunuchs. That is right they have invested in outside the body baby farms as in brave new world. Their sick intention is to genetically engineer everyone make sterile transhumans and have a cheap robotic enhanced slave labour force. The wef has confirmed this several times they have the 2nd or 3rd incharge pushing for this. And he and klaus schwab said that they are gods because they are now able to do this. Remember kcharles is the head of wef he is higher then schwab.
Unbelievable - this is the first time I'm hearing phraseology that puts the patient second to the nurse or caregiver. Beyond belief that the elderly & those with dimentia be treated with such disdain 😔
Having taken care of dementia patients for years what kind of idiocy is this? The patient's mind is broken they can't even understand they are doing "wrong" let alone be able to change. And if you as a health care person aren't capable of taking care of anyone who comes in the door get out of the business. And if they are allowed to refuse giving care because they feel uncomfortable then I have the exact same right if I feel uncomfortable with their care.
No one should be forced by the government to be given care by anyone. To dictate to us that our healthcare worker can be anyone you don’t feel comfortable with is fascist and inhumane!!! So regardless of the situation or mental faculties, we all should have the right to choose who takes care of us!!!
Only a person that has never heard of dementia would think it possible to change a person with dementia's thinking. Likewise a person who has never heard of the existence of patients and medical professionals would think that the medical professional is free to discriminate. Which begs the question who on earth wrote these guidelines.
Damn Nation. Maybe that's the agenda. They can kill off the people who don't think like themselves without actually having to commit the genocide themselves.
@T If you mean the WEF, it comes under the ESG. The Social part. The moment you mention the WEF people clam up and call you a conspiracy theorist when, in fact, it's no theory. It is their open and freely stated plan to bring everyone under one world government. Macron was on French TV, declaring it. Starmer is all for the WEF. Trudeau is a devoted acolyte. The EU commission is currently enforcing and regulating ESG with all trading nations. Americans are just waking up to it, but the UK is sleep walking. Sunak has just sold out Brexit to the EU with that new NI treaty, and is about to sign us up to the WHO amendments. These give total world control to the WHO, and even overrides national governments.
Taking away the right to not consent makes the concept of consent meaningless. Consent by deception is a not only immoral but unlawful. If the patient is physically touched during the consultation or treatment, not just in intimate areas, by the opposite sex, without consent, this should be unlawful. For intimate medical consultations, treatments or care, the female patient must be informed that it's a male medical practitioner attending and the patient is informed that a chaperone can be be requested. A patient can refuse consultation, treatments or care, until a female chaperone is arranged. Without knowledge that it's a male practitioner, due to deception, a female patient cannot know to request a female chaperone. If a female chaperone is requested because the attending medical practitioner is male ( no matter how he identifies) then this must be given and that must be a female chaperone. These guidelines are unlawful because it suggests that not only will the patient not be informed, but decieved. Furthermore, it suggests the patient cannot refuse a male practitioner attending and that they will be refused treatment on such basis. The NHS would be refusing the basic human right of healthcare on the basis of an individual's beliefs. This is unlawful not only according UK law but it breaks international laws too!
@@moirabaker458Exactly. Consent has been the target for years. Disguised as something else so the masses don't notice. They even cheer for it. Scary times.
I am left wing. Working class and pro union, environmentalist and feminist. Absolutely hate what transexual and queer ideology is doing to woman and to LGB. This is one area where the left and right should agree because the idea that people can swap genders is ridiculous and trivialises the experience of both women and men. People have a right to know the gender of someone doing a health assessment and they have the right to know the gender of who they are dating. They shouldn't be allowed to change birth certificates, passports etc and they should have to disclose when asked.
Does anyone remember when "The customer was always right"? Any person posing as the oversite sex - and in so doing denies biological reality - has no business being a Doctor or a Nurse.
Basically this so called guidance is saying that the delusions of individuals with mental health issues is more important than patient care. Why shouldnt patients be told that a clinician has a mental health issue which affects their work?
Patients in hospitals are usually vulnerable; out of it, drugged up, in pain, etc. and deserve to give trust that the hospital will give the best care, including RESPECTING a person's wishes but also know that a woman (or man) may very well prefer to be treated by the same sex for all their care. This is such a farce. It's absolutely horrendous and Helen is right - evil!
Doesn't it also infringe on the religious rights of people for whom it is in violation of their religious beliefs to be naked and exposed to a member of the opposite sex?
Well, it’s not like there haven’t been sex offenders working in medical settings before. Hell, an NHS trust even lied to and gaslighted a women patient -and the investigating police- denying that she could have been raped because there were no men on the women’s ward. Well guess what there was a trans woman on the ward and he raped the woman. It took a year for the police to get to the bottom of it, and it only then because of cctv footage and staff confirming it.
I take issue with the closing statement, something along the lines of '...some trans people will see this as unfair...' (paraphrasing), this is the twisted thinking of a rapist, I don't owe someone the right to touch my body at all...period; to think it's unfair that I get to set my own boundaries around MY body is almost unfathomable.
There's something wrong with your comprehension. He wasn't AGREEING with that statement! He was saying that this is what "some trans people" will say. And, indeed, they will; you can bet on it!
I don't think anything that Evie Blessed wrote shows a lack of comprehension. One word she did use was period which is something these guys certainly won't be having !!
@@DieFlabbergast , nope, nothing wrong with my comprehension but please read people's words carefully before trying to find fault that is not there. Nowhere do I imply that he agrees with the statement, I simply address the idea he proposes. I take issue with the statement, not the fact he agrees or otherwise.
Of course you do . What is at issue here is that they will listen to you then say you are barred from the GP`s surgery or hospital . So you can protest and then have no treatment .It`s overt black mail.
Sorry,a patients has every right to know who is treating them. The patients are paying the wages of these NHS staff therefore the right lies with the patients not the NHS staff. Whoever, wrote this report should be dismissed. Helen is absolutely correct and I do not blame her for being livid. A man cannot become a woman, nor can a woman become a man, irrespective of how they look or act. They are still what they were born as and patients should have the overriding right.
I’m in the states and we’re going through this too. This is what blurring the sex boundaries and making too many concessions looks like… now women have no say when they should have a right to not have a male person and vice Versa. There are health care workers that I only want a female…. And my mother only wants a female. My brother deserves a male if he wants to only have a male. It’s my healthcare and I have my reasons and they have nothing to do with that person personally. It’s MY healthcare. My mom is in a nursing home and in no way in hell is a male person taking my mom to the bathroom or shower!!!! I don’t care about their boundaries no male is going to tend to my mother or myself like that…. Ffs this is ludicrous and not ok!!! Keep fighting for us Helen!!!! 💪
C.K. There could be a new job opening here for Donald Trump. Instead of sending him to prison for keeping all those documents in his house he could be employed to determine the actual sex of someone. He'd be good at that and then we could hear him brag about it in the locker room. "Well he looked like a woman to me" Oh dear,maybe not such a good idea !!
Needless to say the whole thing is utter harmful insanity, but what I find particularly horrific and perverted is the notion that dementia patients should be challenged on their views. That is one of the most evil, heartless and downright dangerous policies I’ve heard! This must be stopped!
These elders have build the country after WWII and now are treated like life stock, because a minority thinks it fitting due to theire feelings being more important. Maybe we should send them trough the same hardships and than ask again
My father with dementia muddles sex pronouns for normal people sometimes let alone if someone identifying as something they aren’t. Anyone did a correction to my father hey would get an earful 🤬
That, my friend, is a piece of wisdom! What went on in the internment camps of WW2? The eugenics programmes have never really stopped. There was a noticeable change in ethics in healthcare when the transplant programmes began, nurses noticed and challenged this. The military/medical industrial complex is very secretive about its intentions, the top closest to gubmnt doesn't always let the minions know it's intentions.
No, no. This is the pile of rubble lying at the bottom of the slope. Society has already slid down that slope, and it will take decades, if not centuries, to get back up to the plateau of sanity.
I really agree with this woman. Sod the staff member, my considerations should be top priority. If I don't want a man or trans woman giving me personal care, then I won't have one. This nonsense has got completely out of hand. It doesn't matter whether you live like a woman, look like a woman, you are not a woman. A man will never understand how woman work, or think. He can/she can define themselves as lampposts, but they won't ever be a lamppost.
If a caregiver is so sensitive they have a "Psychotic Break" when a patient isn't comfortable playing out their fantasies with them....then it is the caregiver that needs help.
@@edwardsmith5650 You have lost me, what has a patient playing out their fantasies got to do with being looked after? Why would a patient that needs care want to play out fantasies?
@@christinepage1523 Don't see how I lost you. I was stating that patients, more specifically female patients, should not be required to participate in the fantasies of gender confused health care workers that are male pretending to be female.
Im not articulate enough to argue but this lady is and i couldnt agree with her more!! Its out of comtrol so as a woman who has been SA by a man now cant ask for a female doctor ???? 😢😢😢😢
This is outrageous and to deliberately include patients with alzheimers who in most cases won't be able to speak for themselves, is just disgusting. What this will do is stop a lot of people from going to the doctors for routine checks and subsequently, may end up with a serious condition. Maybe thats what these people hope will happen.
Totally agree with this lady. When we get into the realms of patient consent there should be no question. The law is there for a reason. As for people with dementia, the relatives are their to help the patient if they cant consent. Especially if they have power of attorney.
I pass this on ,having seen it quoted elsewhere ." If a man chooses to call himself a woman ,that`s his choice. But when he expects me to agree with him, that`s my choice"
Why do trans people think constantly forcing themselves on others (or getting the state to do it FOR them in this case) will result in public acceptance? That NEVER works!!! People change their minds from POSITIVE experiences, not from being bullied!
I absolutely agree . I think most women will and the fact that these trans people think it will shows how masculine and testosterone filled they are. I look at men in dresses and makeup and however convincing they look they never behave or have the thought processes of women.
The customer is NOT right if they wish to break anti-discrimination laws of the jurisdiction. The institution has a duty to comply with the law, and no patient's prejudicial desire can over-ride that.
Dementia is a condition that brings a lot of anxiety to people, I imagine the NHS "challenging" my mum for transphobia because she sees a man and doesn't want to be touched by him. I'd seriously get heads rolled.
@@jsemplefelton5348 why should I tell it to them? Why don't you? Why don't your representatives? Why don't the tens of thousands of taxpayer-funded cushy-job feminist organisations?
@@tracyaf6084 districts with a high percentage of Muslim or Orthodox Jewish women don’t have the unisex change rooms foisted on them, nor are men dressing up as or claiming to be women allowed in the women’s change room. So, they’ll probably get a pass
I can assure you the patient decides the rules of care, not the staff. If I say I do not consent to being examined or treated by a man, then no man is allowed to do so. I know from experience male nurses identifying as women have transgressed this rule with other women but I guarantee I will not be so complacent. I make the rules about my body, not the NHS and God help any staff member who attempts to thwart me.
Update: I was accused of a hate crime by my county hospital for saying “transwomen are men”. The police agreed with me and disagreed with the hospital. Know the law, even if hospital staff (and woke police officers) don’t.
WOW 😮. This is unbelievable! How disgusting of the NHS to decide that a woman is discriminating if she decides who can or can't touch her without being accused of discrimination. Who are this group anyway!?
I'm a 71-year-old retired Haematology Nurse who, since January 2008, has been entirely dependent on a small, chest-implanted, triple-lead, 'cardiac generator' for every one of my heartbeats (a 'pacemaker' fills in the gaps in arrhythmias). In the Spring of 2022, when I declined to have a 'covid' test (having read of their reliability), a young specialist Cardiologist phoned me at home to say, "No test; no operation!" I repeat, my LIFE depends on this machine: as could the lives of others, if it stopped as I was barelling down the M5 at the time. This is the new 'OUR' NHS. Get used to it! It is stuffed with left-wing ideologues and Communists, who bully others into compliance, having completely trashed Medical Ethics, as we used to know them. I know nurses who have left the 'profession' as a consequence of this.
The NHS management is beyond appalling now. Every single overpaid diversity cretin should be the first to go, followed rapidly by 90% of the layers of management. It's not hard for a real person to tell who's doing the work in an organisation. I could do the clear-out. Just fire everybody who looks doubtful and then re-employ in the very few areas where anyone doesn't see a benefit from the firing.
So threatening death is ok now? This unfortunately doesn't surprise me. It is frightening. I know we love our NHS and everyone daren't say a word in opposition but I have heard too many stories that tell me this organisation is not to be trusted.
@@richardfox6595 My local NHS management has a person who describes himself as 'NHS Ambassador' and a 'REACT Wellbeing Conversationalist'. What the f**k is either of those? How much is his salary? Recently, they were pushing a 'new' thing called 'pansexualism' in the workplace. Why? This is the TAUNTON & SOMERSET FOUNDATION NHS TRUST.
Sieg Heil!!! You would do well in 1930's Germany. The number of left-wing ideologues and communists in the NHS is probably zero - the problem is a service dependant on near-slave labour cash starved by a party who would rather let the rich get richer and run by an overpaid management. Don't blame the workers, blame the people who put this short-sighted autocratic government in place. Your predicament was of your own doing - you only needed a simple test that would not put you at risk, that was not going to induce Covid but you stood by your beliefs and the cardiologist put the safety of his other patients to the forefront. I take it you are front of the queue when a rusty bus with no MOT turns up and the owner says he is not getting an MOT because of principle.
So how did they pass medical school if they cannot identify gender/sex. One of the most basic things a medical professional should know. How on earth did I even pass
Should my elderly 85 year old female neighbour have her personal care carried out by a trans woman? Of course not, it’s about respect and dignity which my elderly neighbour deserves.
What's the difference between a person receiving care from a trans woman, a trans man, a man or a woman? Absolutely none as long as they receive the same quality of care. It's no different to whether your 85year old neighbour receives care from a white carer or a black or asian carer. Your comment is suggesting a trans woman would not give the same level of respect and dignity during the course of their work than a black, Asian or white care worker of either sex which is totally wrong.
@@Lamya65 well I can understand why she has dementia what with having no family. Has she ever been married? Unfortunately when you're being cared for by the state you don't get to choose who cares for you, if you ever get into a care home don't be surprised having a black man taking you to the toilet 👍
@@Lamya65 there you go, unmarried, no children, wasted life, unsurprising she has dementia. She's living in a care home and they exist by virtue of government legislation to ensure local government can uphold its obligation to look after people who cannot look after themselves, irrespective whether she pays or not.
@@PeterPete My 85 year old neighbour has been married to her husband for 66 years and is a very proud independent lady, she doesn’t have to have a male attend to her personal care, it’s her choice to insist she has her personal care carried out by a female ,and it should be respected. I’m sick of men who insist they are women invading our spaces. Women are fighting back and we will win.
Is is absolutely disgusting. 🤬 People working in any medical/care profession are providing a service, however laudable it may or may not be. It's not about them, it's about the patient or client's needs. I will always ask for a doctor/nurse/carer to be female & if there isn't a female available, I'll refuse care. There are no ifs, buts or maybes on this issue as far as I'm concerned! It sounds like yet another way to force the public to stop using the NHS & encourage us to go private. Disgusting.
Patients have EVERY right to know which sex individual is going to examine and treat them. This is particularly important when the areas being treated is one's personal private areas. And that goes for both sexes, not women alone. Patients have a right of choice. It is treating the citizens with utter contempt to argue otherwise, let alone put it into practice. Do we all have to go private with a health company they can trust ? Are we going to get our NHS contributions back to pay for it ?
@@OrwellsHousecat I work in healthcare in the US. Even ridiculous and outrageous and bigoted patients have their preferences honored when possible. If a racist patient doesn’t want a nurse of another race, we would even try to accommodate the request if only because it puts the carer at risk. Forcing your care on someone who doesn’t want it sets up a very uncomfortable dynamic for everyone. If someone doesn’t want my care for ANY reason, I don’t want to be assigned to them in case it escalates them to violence or a false allegation towards me. It’s hard enough in healthcare without adding that.
@@tracyaf6084 false comparison - the UK has a state-run taxpayer-funded healthcare monopoly called NHS whereas the USA has private companies providing the healthcare. These dynamics shape the market as well as industry practices. Plus, the brits do what the brits have always done
@@OrwellsHousecat I understand and we have governments run and funded healthcare here as well but that but that doesn’t change the fact that most healthcare providers don’t want to be forced on patients that don’t want them. I’ve been a nurse for over 20 years and only had 2 patients refuse me for race. I’ve also had a few patients I’ve taken from nurses of other races for the same reason. I think their beliefs are disgusting but I don’t want to have to deal with them if they don’t like me. It’s better for both the carer and the patient to not be put in a that position. I say that as someone who doesn’t really care about the sex of my own providers. My first was delivered by a lovely male OB who happens to be British and has strong opinions about the NHS. I’ve never refused a male provider for my daughters either although I do chaperone. It wouldn’t bother me if the provider is trans.
If a woman refuses an examination from a male doctor, its doubtful that she would be accused of misandry. But if she refuses it from a trans woman doctor (a man who says he's really a woman) then she is accused of transphobia (?)
Well said Helen. The battle lines are drawn and it’s a war we cannot afford to lose. Our children’s future depends on it….enough is enough! God bless all the fathers, sons, bothers and men of integrity who are willing to stand alongside injustice and common sense.
