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People queue for miles to see an NHS dentist, face crippling private prices, or pull out their own teeth in desperation. Why is the UK experiencing such "Dickensian rot"?
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Anoosh Chakelian speaks to Harry Clarke Ezzidio and Sarah Dawood to discuss why NHS dentistry is in crisis, and whether Rishi Sunak or Keir Starmer will be able to fix it.
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@jonathandavies9451 Месяц назад

Thanks for reporting on this. The fact that our teeth are treated in a totally different way to the rest of our body is completely crazy

@carlcassidy185 Месяц назад

And eyes

@crayontom9687 Месяц назад

Only 13 years too late lads. Never mind

@SloopyDog Месяц назад

Where I live you can not sign up for a dentist. They are not taking new patients. I desperately needed several teeth extracted and I was refused by every dentist I tried. I was forced to go to the dental hospital where trainee dentists took them out. What is happening to our once great national health system?

@Boo-pv4hn Месяц назад

I don’t mind dental hospitals yes they’re trainees however the teachers who are highly trained monitor them by hovering like flies. I’ve never had bad treatment as such at one and I actually got cavities and fillings that I wouldn’t get at my dentist

@SloopyDog Месяц назад

@@Boo-pv4hn My experience was I had a dentist who would do checkups for me but she wouldn't do extractions because I have had four heart attacks. I needed to have all my teeth extracted and get dentures. My dentist wrote to the dental hospital and about six months later I got an appointment at the dental hospital. I was given treatment by trainee dentists and I was only given a local anaesthetic. They took out five teeth then a few months later I had to go back and get another five out. It took a year to eventually have them all out. I had two mouth infections for which I was given antibiotics, They also left part of the root in my gums, which had to be taken out at a later date. My dentist will no longer treat me so the problem now is where do I get dentures? Try eating with no teeth, it's not easy.

@tonyaustin4472 Месяц назад

And you can see why the Tories are only making cosmetic alterations to dentistry…Denplan the leading private dentistry providers is ultimately owned by HSB Insurance, Singapore which made over 24 billion £’s profit in 2022. Like pet insurance all about extracting as much as they can get away with and letting the rest go to hell. My daughter has been quoted £1584 to have an extraction, root canal and a crown replacement done and been refused by Denplan till she has all her teeth certified as ‘fit’ to be insured: in other words they won’t accept her until she’s likely not to need any work done :-)

@mcorbett01 Месяц назад

In Woolwich, London we can’t find an NHS dentist for our 4-year old child, let alone for us as adults. Private only.

@captaintorch983 Месяц назад

You get the cleanest air in the UK., and now you want free dental care as well. Typical London 'we deserve everything' attitude!

@bernardmaasdijk734 Месяц назад

Tories will try and blame Sadiq Khan for this as well.

@echidna.chordata Месяц назад

@@captaintorch983typical race to the bottom, crabs in a bucket attitude.

@benbainbridge Месяц назад

welcome to private healthcare

@MartynThomas1 Месяц назад

Welcome to Tory Britain.

@michaels8638 Месяц назад

. How about fast track training of new dentists ? How about make it law each dentist must offer a minimum number of NHS appointments? Instead it sounds like delay let’s hope the noise goes away after all it’s only poor people who can’t afford the dentist

@tonycollyweston6182 Месяц назад

This channel should be renamed the Flegmatic Statesman. People's health and life are being put at risk by the under funding of dentistry which will cost the country billions in lost productivity.

@mrD66M Месяц назад

Phlegmatic attitude is ingrained in the nation's consciousness and has been for a long time... it's not all bad of course but it can lead to apathy "Keep calm and carry on"

@simonk8270 Месяц назад

Sorry, there is no excuse for this. You can get a private appointment in a week. So we have the staff. The NHS has contributed to the cost of training these dentists. The back log is because Dentist's were told to close there doors because of Covid. The knew there would be problems after Covid in exactly the same way as the rest of the NHS.

@Leon_George Месяц назад

Thank you. None of the consequences are seeing should have been a 'surprise'.

@buzzukfiftythree Месяц назад

The problem was there long before Covid hit.

@carlcassidy185 Месяц назад

Not everyone can afford private. A lot of private dentists don't do NHS work because they don't make money from it, which then means fewer dentists offering NHS treatments

@simonk8270 Месяц назад

@@carlcassidy185 They don’t make money from it, or don’t make as much as they would like? There is a difference.

@thecrimsondragon9744 Месяц назад

I don’t understand why dentists were all closed during Covid. I desperately needed to see one at the time and ended up losing a tooth and having an emergency appointment. What did the government think? That all the teeth will go on holiday with the dentists? Shameful what they’ve done to us.

@derek_williams Месяц назад

I like this channel, but wish there would be data and infographics as well as talk. I think the analysis would be stronger and it would be easier for the audience to understand.

@IshtarNike Месяц назад

Excellent point.

@IraqiNews-bp5zo Месяц назад

So informative & balanced. I’d have liked to see more criticism towards both political parties. Also, a brief comparison with other European neighbours. Thank you

@philright8197 Месяц назад

If the dental agreement was as rubbish as you say, why was it ever proposed and why was it accepted in 2006? And that’s nearly 20 years ago so why hasn’t this apparently rubbish agreement been changed in all that time?

@punditgi Месяц назад

Hope the problem gets fixed soon. Too important to ignore. And Anoosh is still totally fabulous! ❤🎉😊

@captaintorch983 Месяц назад

You must be having a laff mate! Try to get out more.

@HollyBennett-DMD Месяц назад

US dentist here. Fascinating information. I would like the young gentleman to get the bump on the front of his neck checked out. Not his Adams apple, below it and to the right. Maybe it's an ingrown hair or maybe it's something else. He should get it checked out though.

@colinthompson3111 Месяц назад

This was a great discussion.

@carlcassidy185 Месяц назад

NHS dentists absolutely need to be paid properly. If you need 3 bridges, you should pay 3x Band 3 charges, not one. I've needed a dentist for ages now; I can't get one, and I can't afford private. Slowly getting worse and needing more treatment. To pay 1 Band 2 or Band 3 charge for what I need would be unfair on the dentist

@thecrimsondragon9744 Месяц назад

Yes, I think this is fair and could work for both dentists and patients who can’t afford private.

@bernardmaasdijk734 Месяц назад

The health sec at about 12:55 "We know that the dental market has radically changed over the last 15 years or so". That's all you really need to know, because they can't meddle with the free market of course.

@baloodarling486 Месяц назад

I was recommended Edgbaston Dental Centre recently actually, thanks for letting me know they're busy, I'll go private instead. X

@EamonCoyle Месяц назад

Although it was alluded to, it should be highlighted in terms of the figures that up to half of heart attacks and strokes can be linked to poor dental health and the resulting gum disease. A further issue with not having access for basic check-ups is the fact that a majority of oral health problems don't necessarily bring pain therefore people may not even be aware of it meaning the damage goes unnoticed and untreated over prolonged periods of time. From a personal viewpoint, and I would say it is a more general problem dental health or a lack there of has a big effect on food choice and eating habits as well as the impact on a persons confidence etc. Other social impacts are obvious with people taking time off work etc, but even people who struggle through with the pain are going to be less productive and more prone to errors, hence the inability to get to "the root" of the problem creates a ripple that spreads outwards !!

@Mounhas Месяц назад

In a dental surgery I attended 2 people have traveled down from Bude for their appointments, a round trip of 200km.

@melgrant7404 26 дней назад

85 bupa dentist practices are to close in the uk due to not being able to provide nhs dentists. 2 closed in my area.

@ijw2009 Месяц назад

My wife left NHS a couple of years ago. Complete no-brainer for the dentists. The contract is ridiculous. People who completely neglect their oral health over years and take up all their time pay them the same as someone with just some minor work needing doing. No-one else would work that way. NHS only makes sense for initially qualified dentists to get their skills up.

@thecrimsondragon9744 Месяц назад

I have been paying huge amounts in taxes, have not been to a doctor or hospital in years and my only healthcare needs have been dental, yet I was forced to go private due to lack of NHS. It makes my blood boil thinking that all my taxes are going towards the pensions and healthcare needs of a greedy older generation who sneer at my generation even as they exploit us through extortionate rentals, house prices, NIMBY attitudes, xenophobic Brexit-supporting sentiments which has basically lead to the economic suicide of the nation… absolutely sickening. The fact they are old does not mean they should be allowed to get away with it.

@0KiteEatingTree0 Месяц назад

In my 40,s not seen an NHS dentist since childhood. You don’t get NHS dentistry on PIP in England So private it is. I think there’s one NHS dentist in my current town of Telford, which has the largest population increase in the country

@agoodlad Месяц назад

NHS dentistry payment methods of UDAs needs to be less complicated for encouraging more dental clinics to take up NHS patients rather than giving provisional registration to over seas doctors. Also Universities should be encouraged to start more dental surgeon courses rather than name sake dental science courses to tackle root cause.

@Wooburnmusic Месяц назад

Another issue is that if newly qualified dentists go into nhs dentistry then the poor patient is open to inexperienced dentists, rather treatment by dentists that have been in practice for a number of years and also dentists and doctors to understand what ACUTE NONSTOP PAIN really is.

@stellaumbrella3412 Месяц назад

Private dentists only in North Wales :(

@Boo-pv4hn Месяц назад

My dentist is a 50 minute bus drive away but I can get quick access to treatment, they’re really good with referrals to dental hospitals and keeping them nice and polished my partner who really needs the treatment multiple fillings and rotten tooth removal however struggles to get one a month and hasn’t helped him on any oral hygiene information I’d say some dentists are just really poor at their jobs .

@edword7195 Месяц назад

There is no entitlement to dentist in the uk unlike gp doctor where if you dont have one the health service have to employee and allocate one. Irrespective if income or benfits there is no entilement judt entilement to an enitlement card which if you have a nhs dentists they may accept but inlike a gp no enitlement my lib dem mp over 20 years ago in scotland told me this when i was unemployed may be different in england. If you get tummour in your mouth a dentist is meant to refer you there is no free nhs entitlement for nhs check ups.when i hsd a tummour in my mouth i had to threaten to complain to go to get him to refer me to hopital to get it removed . A tummor or infection does care if its in the mouth or other part of body. The only enitlenent for dentists is for pain relieff tooth pulling. Dentist get public sector pensions far less leave than just do little work on nhs. There should enitlement for dentist like gp for low income people. This video as most do missed this ,its not charging issue for many low income peole as there is no enitlemnet what nhs charge is not relevant as even though you could have no charges if had a nhs dentist on income there is no enitlement to a dentist so no dentist so have to go private but employment does not pay enough .

@thecrimsondragon9744 Месяц назад

The situation is dire and has been for a long time now… not sure why you’re covering it now.

@theartfuldodger7322 Месяц назад

Was waiting for treatment just before COVID struck was in a very good position to have my if you saw a doubt but then I was pushed aside. Just like everyone else I've forgotten about when I then reached out to contact them to find out what was going on. They told me that I had no prior arrangement or appointments when I pretty much had surgery scheduled to have my teeth removed, but they then told me that there was no such record literally wouldn't of been a big job but now it has gotten that bad I need most of my teeth removing now when there was a good chance of saving my front teeth I literally only have this problem because I had most of my teeth knocked out during an accident

@williama-d6 Месяц назад

what? it looks like my dentist is still having a good time since the 80s when I joined with my family as a kid

@khar12d8 Месяц назад

In 2005 public spending as a percentage of GDP was 39%. Today it is around 45%. So the reality is the Tories are spending more than Labour. The problem isn't that the govt is not spending enough, it is that our spending has become geared towards older people due to having an ageing society and also the foolish decision to create the triple lock for state pensions. So we either have to raise taxes on normal people, by pretty major amounts. Or we need to reduce spending on older folk so we can spend more money on other things. This is the fiscal problem Labour or the Tories are afraid to deal with. Labour have, for obvious political reasons, really pushed the Tory under funding narrative but this could be something which really comes back to bite them in power.

@sonia15702 Месяц назад

This just doesnt happen in Australia. We have dental care for primary school kids, we have free care for those of low income. If youre in extreme pain you go to the oral health care emergency seperate from normal hospital emergency and they see you. Most people habe private insurance for their teeth , eyes etc, and the companies pay for check up clean etc. No issue. The majority of our country have good dental health due to brushing instructions from early age, the importance of flossing even from a young age !and not to mention our superior better diet than the UK. I have yet to see a trend of people in the UK feed their child a raw diet of carrots, celery etc which scrape a childs teeth and not to mention help.mood ! We feed our kids salads and veggies etc. Stop the sugary drinks , biscuits, and stodgy foods. You will feel better and your teeth will thank you !

@gavinreid9184 Месяц назад

Labour introduced this, the Tories ran with it. Wes Streeting, Labour health, wants more privatisation. Who can we vote for to save our health care?

@lily_m3538 Месяц назад

Some TWCs offer better and cheaper dentistry than the UK.

@ericritchie6783 Месяц назад

... Make oral heath a greater part of education along with self care in general?

@-BY205 Месяц назад

In Bristol a polish dentist opend the doors ... 😂😂😂

@buzzukfiftythree Месяц назад

Public services are far beyond rotten, they’re in a death spiral. I cannot see recovery without massive public investment, and I don’t see any signs that Labour are willing to spend the money necessary to resolve the issue. We have much to blame the Tories for, but it’s one area we should never forgive them for. 14 years of Tory dogma and gross mismanagement of the public finances. They should be prosecuted for gross misconduct in public office.

@anthonybrown4874 Месяц назад

NHS dentistry is in a shameful state never mind gender reassignment getbthis fixed. Practicing dentistry should be conditional on having a share of NHS patients .

@christopherhunter2892 Месяц назад

This problem is not confined to the UK. I have worked for the last 12 years in France and I no longer accept new patients. My appointment book is full until mid July. However most dental problems are preventable. Good diet and good oral hygiene are by and large going to stop you having decay and gum disease. The writing was in the wall when this contract was introduced in 2006. Of the course the government could not care less.

@mrD66M Месяц назад

Most dental problems are preventable - if you are a dentist.. (as you say...) OR have regular access to one There are very few people outside of the very lucky and very wealthy that never had ANY dental problems. And often issues not through bad hygiene. Impacted wisdom teeth. Cracked teeth due to a fall as children. Overbite, grinding of teeth during sleep, teeth that need braces, etc. Come on now, get real, "mr dentist" -_-

@christopherhunter2892 Месяц назад

@@mrD66M Agreed there are things like wisdom teeth, orthodontics( not always a necessity) and fractured teeth that need treated. However tooth decay and periodontal disease are preventable. The single biggest reason for children being admitted to hospital for the administration of a general anaesthetic is for the extraction of rotten teeth. This is down to parental ignorance . You also saw in the report the chap who suffered from depression and was eating all the wrong things which led to his dental problems. People have to take some responsibility for their teeth and health.

@mrD66M Месяц назад

@christopherhunter2892 really? Not like the government is on the way to ban things like smoking for people's own health? Why is sugar and sugary drinks any different? Dereliction of duty plain and simple

@christopherhunter2892 Месяц назад

@@mrD66M The government have not been interested dentistry for years. The existing contract was actually introduced by a Labour Governement. Prevention is key but the government is not interested.

@1violalass Месяц назад

@@christopherhunter2892 Ah yes, people with depression should just pull themselves together.

@ilovethepulp Месяц назад

NHS General dentistry is of course on its knees - all dentists have known this for years. But further to the point, access to advanced treatments is almost zero; The funding is not there to provide anything other than a basic service. For example, my area of interest is root canal - if a complex case is presented to a general dental practitioner, there is no avenue to refer these difficult cases to dentists with appropriate training under the NHS, leading to either extraction of the tooth or private dentistry. I can tell you exactly why: the contract given to dentists is very poor and underfunded. The overhead costs to provide root canal are prohibitive under the current contract - the cost given to provide this treatment does not cover the consumables required, staff wages, compliance among other overheads.

@hks-lion Месяц назад

I agree but a basic level of dentistry should be available for anyone in the U.K. wherever they live. By basic I mean everything that is covered by an urgent CoT. Only once every can access this, should band 1 be offered and then Band 2a/2b. Until then, provision of advanced dental treatment on the NHS is the least of our worries.

@markr002 Месяц назад

See what you did there with “rot” just in case we missed it. Hilarious.

@StratsRUs Месяц назад

Tories

@rattylol Месяц назад

Did you know there are people actually returning to the Ukraine, a war zone, because they can't get dental treatment here?

@mrD66M Месяц назад

Most dental problems are preventable - if you are a dentist.. or so you say There are very few people outside of the very wealthy that never had ANY dental problems. And often issues not through bad hygiene. Impacted wisdom teeth. Cracked teeth due to a fall as children. Overbite, grinding of teeth during sleep, teeth that need braces, etc. Come on now, get real, "mr dentist" -_-

@ccharalara1 Месяц назад

That’s not the majority of dental problems though. The majority of dental problems are tooth decay and gum disease related, which account for greater than 90% of all dental pathology. Saying that, without access to a dentist how on earth would a patient have the assessment and advice to deal with these problems. Most dental issues are preventable, but with the help of a dental professional.

@mrD66M Месяц назад

My post was meant as a reply to another comment - that said I agree with you

@33andy33gmail Месяц назад

I don’t understand how this is being pitched as a new problem. Having access to an NHS dentist hadn’t been a realistic option for any of my adult life