Nic Thurman on the Memorosa Group, Edvard Munch's Decline and the Correct Signifiers of Kitsch

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Why did Edvard Munch bow to Art after successfully emulating the techniques of the old masters? Perhaps the philosophy of Kitsch could serve as a solution for contemporary classical painters that are trying to cultivate their virtue in a minefield of Art - but how to differentiate between correct and incorrect signifiers of Kitsch?
The American painter Nic Thurman is an original member of the Memorosa group. Thurman studied with Jeremy Caniglia at the Creighton Preparatory School for three years before he went to study with Odd Nerdrum. He is concerned with the late style of Titian and Rembrandt, but also the early Edvard Munch.
EXCLUSIVELY for PATRONS: Tuv visits Thurman, who is working on a large-scale composition of two lovers. They talk about technique, methods of storytelling, and lay out books on the table to compare Edvard Munch's work to Rembrandt's:
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Back in the studio, Tuv asks Thurman some personal questions and tests his knowledge with the "Do you know Art and Kitsch history?" quiz.
At the end, Tuv presents the ten minute excerpt of the upcoming documentary on the Memorosa Group, showing Javier Adams, Sebastian Salvo, and Nic Thurman himself compete to make the best one-hour drawing.
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Interview conducted by Jan-Ove Tuv.
Filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
Assisted by Sebastian Salvo and Javier Adams.
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@KP-ol3tc 4 года назад

That surgeon example was put so well, spectacular episode

@nledaig Год назад

A very interesting conversation

@hilarywhite2953 Год назад

Pro-tip for videos of this kind: if you're talking about the details of a lot of paintings (Munch) maybe cut away to an image of the painting being referred to as it's being talked about. Having to interrupt the narrative of the discussion, pull yourself out of it and go Googling the paintings is quite disruptive.

@MrRemorseless Год назад

47:01 "Originality isn't a thing anymore" man that's hilarious... yet powerful!

@byronbuchanan3066 3 года назад

My favorite channel

@marlonjormungand7845 4 года назад

He drew william as an adult, if he gets that jaw line he will look good as hell.

@m00ftak 7 месяцев назад

The issue with "bad anatomy" in Kitsch painting is that it can often feel unintentional, as if the goal of the artist was to depict the figure accurately but wasn't able to do so. In contrast, Lipchitz made a very clear and intentional choice to abstract the figure which is self-evident in the work. He had no desire to depict accurate anatomy.

@davidaaronartist 2 года назад

Son como los teóricos de las conspiraciones , me encanta la gente que piensa.

@ultrasignificantfootnote3378 2 года назад

" Stick to your values, then you will have succes " ( 58 : 47 ) wel, wel ,wel, Vincent van Gogh stuck to his values , but succes came after his death.

@davidaaronartist 2 года назад

you are bringing your concept of succes a contemporary idea of succes to him which is un fair to be praised and rich was not what he search in life.

@ultrasignificantfootnote3378 2 года назад

@@davidaaronartist He could not in any way live from his art, and he killed himself.

@johnbloom1109 Год назад

Each person defines success differently. Some people define success as being able to walk around all day doing what they want without owning anything because they see ownership as burdensome. In the case of Catholic Monks, it was owning nothing and hours of praying every day while working for the church all day sleeping less than 8 hours per day.

@red2744 7 месяцев назад

@@ultrasignificantfootnote3378because he was sick. basically all his peers lived quite well from their art. but van gogh was unpredictable and very bad at marketing himself. the reason we love van gogh is not because of one painting but because we know so much about him. we see all the selfportraits and the landscapes, we read the letters and know the story. back then they didnt. he was a nobody

@lagazelle4107 4 года назад

minute 45:19 quick question, are you laughing at the hitler comment as if you were agreeing with him? it kind of gives the impression that you're agreeing with hitler in this comment, no disrespect if you are, just wondering, nice chat, cheers

@cccccc1 Год назад

Hitlers reaction to degenerate art was warranted.

@g.e.whitman 9 месяцев назад

He did agree. I don't know why you need Hitler to prove a point. But it was someone who also mentioned Ayn Rand so not so surprising.

@koyangwuti7 4 года назад

completely dissagree about the BS on Lucian Freud...way better than 99% from the Nerdrum school.

@Filmcrewspilbor 4 года назад

Better as Art, I agree. But not as Kitsch. Freud depicts his subjects in an unflattering way. His focus is actually on man as worse than he is in reality.

@Dragonknight761 4 года назад

@@Filmcrewspilbor Kitsch and Art are two sides of the same coin-- both are not real; the kitch painter and artist can both depict their subjects as ugly as they want. When the kitch painter refers to the ugly side of humanity--as depicted in a Goya or Kollwitz piece--he sure doesn't say that the work depicted man as worser than he actually is, because there is (probably) nothing worser than man as he actually is; therefore, I don't think the depiction of Freud's work was valid or fair in this case.

@johnbloom1109 Год назад

@@Dragonknight761 There's nothing wrong with depicting someone as ugly either. Why does everyone have to be beautified or put on a pedestal? A lot of people are worse than they appear.

@johnbloom1109 Год назад

The downfall of a lot of these painters probably has a lot to do with mental illness and drugs (including alcohol). Van Gogh started out as a good painter but declined as his mental illness got worse. Picasso started out good as well but then was heavily into drugs and his work progressively became worse as well. This is not even factoring in that most of these painters were using toxic pigments without even knowing about their toxicity which also could have a huge impact on ones behavior and mental status. If you combine neurotoxicity from the mishandling of pigments containing lead, cadmium, and mercury sulfide with mental illness and alcohol you run into some very serious neurological problems and deficiency's.