Nick Turse Describes the Real Vietnam War 

Kissinger is still walking around a free man. Shouldn't he be first in the dock rather than some grunt who was brainwashed and cracked trying to stay alive in an unwinnable situation?

Right, you Hanoi shill! As soon as Hanoi confesses its routine terrorism & atrocities. I won't hold my breath waiting, Tigerpoops.

Comparing US Soldiers fighting communists to literal Nazis perpetrating Vernichtungskrieg? you must be a democrat. I am honestly vomiting in my mouth that you feel so moral making such an idiotic, myopic, demented statement.

Because they stood up to Soviet Russia, who was giving all the weapons to the North Vietnamese. I guess you just would’ve wanted the communists to massacre the southern Catholics and ignore the problem?

It isn’t the general Americans fault. Such leaders show their true colours only after their election. The Americans protested against the war but to no avail, just like the Brits protested like crazy en mass, against the illegal Iraq war. In the UK’s case, the war was based on the lie that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. It is those individual leaders who knowingly authorised illegal wars like the late Democrat president, LJ, the UK ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair and Putin who are truly responsible for their abuse of power. They should all be tried independently as war criminals. Too late for LJ now but at least, Blair & Putin are still alive and kicking.

@zezt zezter The Agent Orange betrayl just makes your head spin. How can anyone ever trust America again? As you put it ..,EVIL. The very thought.

I am reading it now, and can’t put the book down. It’s 10 years later, and it’s a great read. Bill is correct, this is the most gut wrenching book on the Vietnam war.

Geoff, I recommend you read Dr. Geoff Shaw's meticulously researched & voluminously documented, THE LOST MANDATE. FYI, we DID stop the domino effect from taking place in more than Cambodia & Laos. Now that's a fact.

@@slukky The domino effect is .. that was an excuse for all US interventions.

@@davidfirdavidfir3778 That's an old & toothless defense. The dominoes did fall & are falling yet. Korea, Nam, Laos, Cambodia-- all either Red Communist or strongly influenced by Hanoi & Beijing esp. Are you a Red, David? Your spew against the U.S. belies your bias.

@@slukky biased? You who probably call anyone who disagrees with your cliche view, a red. No I base my views on history, on facts.

And you probably believe that all the death caused by US was and is justifiable vias a "red menace"? Is that your belief?

WHERE DID WE HEAR THAT BEFORE ...?

This book is specifically about the US atrocities

Ok QAnon go wait for the UFO.

Self defense. I wonder who started the barbarism. Nsa admitted tonkin was a lie. Hell those stupid sailors were probably firing at flying fish the president said. Hi chi Minh would have won 80 percent of the vote. Look at our phenoix program. See Wikileaks cited list of torture techniques.

He makes mention of it from time to time in the book but the focus in the book is American directives and warcrimes

He makes mention of it from time to time in the book but the focus in the book is American directives and warcrimes

Youre insane

Sadly, no one.

A majority of the atrocities were committed by indigenous forces commanded the Hanoi and Saigon governments. Therefore, there was no genocide.

@@dannygherzgiher8430 doubtful. Even if this dubious assertion was true it doesn't change the fact that it was an American led war. South Vietnamese puppet regime doesn't exist without US puppet master. Was the carpet bombing of kambucha prosecuted by Hanoi and Saigon? Was the use of agent orange done by Hanoi and Saigon? You're a poor propagandist

@@TheBendablespoons South Vietnam was a sovereign nation with a strong US ally. North Vietnam was also dependent on the USSR and Red China at the logistical and armament level. If you are going to ridicule Saigon’s relationship with the USA as that of a “puppet” then Hanoi was just as much of a “puppet” as Saigon.

@@TheBendablespoons North Vietnam did not make all those AK47s, MiGs and T62 tanks by themselves. If you are going to call South Vietnam a puppet regime of the USA for being supplied and assisted by Washington, the same also applies to North Vietnam’s assistance by the Soviets and the Chinese.

@@dannygherzgiher8430 the soviets did not begin a large scale multi decade ground war with their own troops in Vietnam as did the USA. But it's not the assistance that made them a puppet, its the fact that they were a fascist military regime that had no popular support from the working class. The same cannot be said of the north. Edit: also, the soviets didn't conduct a genocidal aerial bombardment campaign against Kombuchea

maybe because the book is not about that? what does that have to do with the theme of the investigation?

@@el_equidistante You mean his narrative? Lol for a "historian," this dude is awfully one-sided, judgmental, and moralizing.

​@@Sinkin3s No I mean his investigation, which if you had read the book you would know it's very well documented. But I understand that nationalists tiny brains cannot accept anything that hurt their fee fees, because of their inadequate attachment to an abstraction like the concept of a nation. The statistics talk for themselves, and the fact that your argument against horrific human war crimes is a baby argument of but buuut look at what the other side did, makes me feel shameful of humanity!

@arse stain Is this a joke? You must be twelve. I'm not a nationalist. I'm a historian who cares about truth and not political ideology. Howard Zinn is a moralizing, anti-intellectual who takes the tragedies of American history and repaints them as its Identity. His 'documentation,' moreover, is provable false in dozens of instances. So sure, I got burned by a college sophomore on RU-vid. But you're the ones digging your own intellectual pit, in which your entire existence will dissolve into nothing but ideological quackery.

@@el_equidistante You do understand that I'm not political, right? I care about actual history, not ideology. Howard Zinn is a fraud, who, not doubt, raising good perspectives about American history. Too bad he was too political to present them in a way palatable to everyone. Kind of like you.

you dumba$$, the point is americans live in a country where we are constantly lied to, and brainwashed to flag hump and worship the military like they’re innocent. meanwhile they’re endlessly slaughtering poor people. all to make some fckhead CEOs more wealthy. oh! but war is war you say! i guess that just excuses everything! war is war so that means the millions and millions of innocent people we’ve butchered during our over 200 years of continuous never ending wars is justified!!! you are very smart!

no one has to use civilians as target practice or rape women

imagine how unhinged someone would sound if they tried to use this excuse for nazi soldiers operating death camps. “war isn’t nice” but complete exhaustive ethnic genocide and mass rapes of children and women for nothing but the entertainment of bloodthirsty racist americans is a whole lot worse. a united states soldier in vietnam acted no better than an isis terrorist

You gotta kill enemy combatants, killing innocent civilian for sadistic pleasure is not "what you gotta do"

I feel sad for you and your dad. It's so lonely when you don't love humanity enough to feel the truth shake your bones as if it was your baby sister getting gang raped by soldiers who just shot your baby n the non-combatants rounded up and killed were your neighbors. I know you can't see it this way because if you could you wouldn't say something so stupid

@@seanmcswiggan4615 Me, my father, and 1% of the population, yeah ONE!, served because we were called to protect humanity dumbass. So go kick rocks or better yet take the trash out, that's the only orders you know how to take from your better half. You obviously never served a day in your life.

@@cycologist7069 Delorable and understandable at the same time. Awful. No win.

@@cycologist7069 As this book shows, the number of Americans who didn't participate in war crimes could probably be counted on one hand. Just following orders is not an excuse Americans extend to anyone else, nothing but hypocrites.

@@cycologist7069 Could you find a weaker defense than we asked the accused and they said they were innocent? Like yeah, no shit that's what they say.

@@cycologist7069 I only worked on an aircraft carrier where I helped launch the planes that dumped agent orange, I'm the real victim. Give me a fucking break, none of your responses to me demonstrate that Americans and people from any other country who support aggressive wars aren't hypocrites. That was my actual point that you seem to have completely missed.

"atrocities were aberrations by US forces, while they were policy for the communists" No, that's mistaken. Policy is what the officers and civilian leaders allow, with impunity; it's policy, even if it is not the bowdlerized official policy, i.e. the "policy" that is for the dumb public's consumption- that is, the propaganda version of actual policy.

@scott matthews White phosporous is not being dropped on Gaza as aggression, it's not "ordnance" it's used in warfare sparingly as a spotting round so the forward observer calling in fire can see exactly where the first targeting rounds hit. The IDF fires on Gaza solely in response to incoming rocket fire, which Hamas keeps up as part of their fanaticism, as if they can actually do any real damage to Israel. They spent millions of dollars of aid money to build tunnels to try to commit terror raids on civilians. Israel gave up Gaza in an attempt to get peaceful relations, and instead they got a community with Hamas dictatorship that keeps up a conflict that only they are pushing. Nobody in Israel profits in the tiniest way from conflict with Gaza, if the rockets and attempts to raid would stop, everyone could go on with life.

America is built on genocide + delusion....

Actually, Turse has been sued in the past for his false reporting, lost, and had to pay out serious money to the man he libeled in his first book. You cannot sue anyone for exaggerations, slanted data, and misstatements, if you could, nobody in politics would be able to make speeches anymore! As to "shut up", perhaps you're not aware of the concept of Free Speech, which both lets Turse say what he wants, and you, and me.

Again, you idiot, you cannot be sued for minor stuff. He was sued by an individual whom he accused in his book as partaking in atrocities, and that's serious libel. For which the court awarded the libeled man serious money. You cannot prove damages from minor crap, no lawyer will bother to take the case and you would lose it. People have tried on occasion to push for damages to their feelings, etc, and lost every time. You don't know your history very well, or maybe you never heard of the Containment Doctrine adopted by the West after the Iron Curtain came down and over a dozen nations were taken over by the rabid communism of the time. Greece, Malaysia, Indonesia and other nations were helped in preventing such takeovers, and Korea was part of it as well. Stopping a communist North from conquering a noncommunist South was the same scene in Viet Nam. We just didn't follow through as well as we did in Korea. And Russia succeeded in their part of the war due to the enormous level of support they got from us, thousands of trucks, motorcycles, megatons of food, medical supplies, etc. The did more of the dying for sure, but they faced fewer Germans because of us taking on the Afrka Corps, invading Italy, and finally France. Without the USA a lot of the world would have ended up speaking German and Japanese. Get off your slanted view of history and look at what the real flow of events was.

So I'm putting you down as in favor of killing and incinerating innocent villagers who were only protecting THEIR country from goons like you.

War is never nice or polite, tien. It is the worst alternative, but sometimes the only one that offers a chance at survival & a life worth living. I know lots of Vietnamese & have met a few Hmong, Cambodians, & Laos. None of them had anything good to say for the Communist lying butchers-- but I repeat myself.

False

umm u wasn't fighting comminusm u was trying to give france a colony and force imperilism on Vietnam

4 million dead and millions more injured raped or traumatized to prevent mcdonalds ceo from missing out on kicking out unions in commie run vietnam mcdonalds shops locations. i can feel the freedom viscerally tearing through my body. i wish i was a 8 year old boy in south korea being groomed by industry pedophiles in a country where even implying you dislike american colonial presence is a prison sentence

Qian Zeng haaha china is a disgusting smelly shithole and 90% of the population lives in mud huts or caves

+Qian Zeng Don't worry, Mao will read this comment and commend you, you and your family won't be going to the camps now.

Its called "being a human." You should try it sometime.

@@xhamster6172 What is wrong with you? Chinese people are people, human beings of the same value as you or I. Please try not to falsely percieve others as less or greater than yourself or anyone else. The sooner we all stop being afraid of one another and realize that we're all in this together as brothers and sisters of the world, the better off we'll be. It is the lost and greedy amoung us that want us to think and percieve otherwise, so they can continue to fill their fat wallets. First we stop fighting one another to make them rich, then we work on trying to fix the bastards and bring them back down to earth.

“political correctness”. oh Fck off you degenerate. if your people were slaughtered like animals you wouldn’t have such a b1tch made nonchalant attitude towards atrocities. but no, you’ve lived a comfortable life. never in fear of the worlds most powerful military invading your town and wasting everyone you know.