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Niels Bohr and Daoism 

Bryan Van Norden
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In this clip from the documentary, "The Wisdom of China: Laozi," Professor Bryan Van Norden of Vassar College discusses how Nobel Laureate in Physics Neils Bohr was indebted to the philosophy of Daoists like Laozi.

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@jklep523
@jklep523 7 дней назад
I did not know Bohr was so connected to Daoist ideas. Must learn more about this. Thank you for the brief video, hope there is an extended version coming soon.
@christopherinman6833
@christopherinman6833 7 дней назад
At 2:49, I believe the English word 'air' in the close-captioning should be spelled 'err' which meant 'to commit an error' at one time.
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy 6 дней назад
Yes, for this clip they used automatic captioning. We will fix that for the final release of the English version of the documentary.
@claudelebel49
@claudelebel49 6 дней назад
The music is not loud enough. I can still hear the narrator.
@kieranjohnston7550
@kieranjohnston7550 4 дня назад
Reminds me of many restaurants that assume that the reason you dine there is not to converse with your friends but to listen to their chosen music. The odd thing about growing older is that your hearing deteriorates at the same time that your sensitivity to noise sharpens.
@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life
@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life 6 дней назад
Wow this was eye opening for me. I am very happy to hear that Niels Bohr was heavily influenced by Daoism. One thing most westerners get wrong about the concept of Yin and Yang is that they are opposites and two seperate things. Yin and Yang should more accurately be described as aspects of the same thing just at different ends of the spectrum. That is why they each contain elements of the other to show that they are the same not at all opposite. Like a coin has a front and back but it is still one coin. So instead of interpreting Yin and Yang as opposites they should be thought of in terms of extremes of the same spectrum just at different ends. Like hot and cold, light and dark or loud and quiet which are measured in varying degrees of.
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy 6 дней назад
Thanks for your kind words!
@InfoArtistJK
@InfoArtistJK 6 дней назад
Beautifully presented. Information is the most fundamental. "It is operationally impossible to separate Reality and Information" -- Quantum Information Physicist and 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics winner Anton Zeilinger
@davidevans4556
@davidevans4556 9 дней назад
Fascinating . Look forward to seeing the whole documentary!
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy 8 дней назад
Thank you for your kind words!
@mechannel7046
@mechannel7046 5 дней назад
Wow, so good of you to put chinese subtitles in the video. I'm sure a lot of chinese speakers will appreciate it
@seanfleming370
@seanfleming370 9 дней назад
we might need a Netflix series here, a la "Cosmos"
@user-cg3ir3fb3q
@user-cg3ir3fb3q 7 дней назад
We don't need Netflix to alter the already altered history,
@petrasurin
@petrasurin 8 дней назад
This is really, really cool. Love the production here.
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy 8 дней назад
Thank you for your kind words!
@ryokan9120
@ryokan9120 9 дней назад
Could you please let me know when the full documentary will be released? Will it be released on RU-vid?
@Katherine-ou5me
@Katherine-ou5me 3 дня назад
A beautifully narrated video. The simplicity and clarity ❤
@Sophia-yo9rp
@Sophia-yo9rp 5 дней назад
Thank you so much. I Have been matching Eastern Philosophy with Quantum mechanics in my contemplations but I am no scientist so keep these thoughts to myself. This is where science meets philosophy. Your work is appreciated. Thank you.
@jessewallace12able
@jessewallace12able 6 дней назад
This is what we need! Thanks for making this man.
@raoultesla2292
@raoultesla2292 7 дней назад
I have not had ore Heavy Deep thought tying together so so much in years. Thanks for the fodder. All physicists become philosophers.
@ericm9495
@ericm9495 7 дней назад
It's true that modern QM challenges Aristotlean logic, but I'm inclined to think that they can be reconciled. The idea that things contain "opposites" and that this plays a role in change isn't really something I would think Aristotle would object to on the grounds of it being contradictory. Aristotle talks about "contrarieties" like hot/cold, light/dark that are pairs of "opposites" but aren't contradictory. Cold isn't the absence of heat (to aristotle (and arguably to us phenomenologically)), but for some reason, we never observe something that is both hot and cold at the same time, and we intuitively understand them as being opposed in some sense. If something is both hot and cold, that wouldn't be contradictory on aristotles view. It might make the most sense to split the object up into hot and cold parts, but Aristotle doesn't even need to do that to make it consistent with his law of non-contradiction. The clip sort of gives the impression that Aristotle's logic can't accomodate that, or other common sense examples of things being in tension with itself, when it can.
@mechannel7046
@mechannel7046 5 дней назад
When will the documentary come out? Can't wait
@thomasshoener2154
@thomasshoener2154 9 дней назад
This is wonderful material, Prof. Van Norden. So…God does play dice! Thought so.
@TimCCambridge
@TimCCambridge 9 дней назад
Great! A field for existence.
@timothykodysh6510
@timothykodysh6510 5 дней назад
good morning , could you please remix this video with less music, each phrase, each comment is so important, but had to be rewound to recognize many times thank you for posting this
@bonbon_nextlevel
@bonbon_nextlevel 8 дней назад
Professor, I'm new to this channel, loving your lectures! What are your personal beliefs if you don't mind me asking, are you a religious man?
@pravdaseed64
@pravdaseed64 7 дней назад
💙 Thanks 💙 Disturbing back ground Noise = Music ⁉️
@jjay6764
@jjay6764 3 дня назад
I didn’t know about Bohr but I knew about Schrodinger who said he does not meet God in space and time and he talked about the Upanishads.
@danielsanders5997
@danielsanders5997 6 дней назад
Why play that annoying music in the background when we’re trying to concentrate on these difficult concepts?
@MM-nx8dt
@MM-nx8dt 6 дней назад
Society
@ximono
@ximono 6 дней назад
@@MM-nx8dt Would you like some loud music with your coffee? Or while trying to have a conversation in a restaurant. Or while shopping.
@brgman7
@brgman7 5 дней назад
yes, I almost turned the video off because of that but kept going because the information is so important. I will try again with no sound and will just read the captions
@bernardofitzpatrick5403
@bernardofitzpatrick5403 2 дня назад
The music is apposite ….. Eastern theme music reinforcing indeterminacy of quantum states, which resonates with Taoism or Daoism. Bohr would have loved it! Perhaps schroedinger and his cat would have concurred ? 😂 presuming the cat survived when observed. 🎉
@ximono
@ximono День назад
@@bernardofitzpatrick5403 If there was a stereo in Schrödinger's box, that was either on or off when observed, it would improve the chances of there not being any background music 😀
@Rossion64
@Rossion64 9 дней назад
Excellent!
@skipwrightson4742
@skipwrightson4742 6 дней назад
Has anyone read The Tao of Physics by Fritjof Capra ,1975? It discusses these concepts.
@chrisrichardson8988
@chrisrichardson8988 7 дней назад
Even the greatest of mathematicians look to the spiritual realm for inspiration in spite of adherence to a discipline based upon factual data and laws.
@chrishorner7679
@chrishorner7679 7 дней назад
Hegel, in the West, had accepted contradictions in reality.
@user-cg3ir3fb3q
@user-cg3ir3fb3q 7 дней назад
He was in India for a while, talking to mathematics and scientists
@thequestion52
@thequestion52 7 дней назад
Jung as well... but the WuJi/TaiJi philosophy was not created by LaoTze.
@terencelau143
@terencelau143 6 дней назад
I Ching, also known as the Book of Change.
@ximono
@ximono 6 дней назад
The roots of taoism are ancient, pre-historic
@pablotrobo
@pablotrobo 6 дней назад
Great
@ansleyrubarb8672
@ansleyrubarb8672 5 дней назад
...I would like to add a thought for everyone to consider. Time/Space moves as a Turbulent Flow, including Eddie's & Vortices created by others which explains why we can know where we are, our speed and direction, yet we might reach out destination, an interruption, accident occurs, respectfully, ordinarychuck hotmail...captivus brevis...you tube...Blessings...
@kantimakan4056
@kantimakan4056 6 дней назад
“Tao Te Ching” was an inspiring book to me while I learned and practised tai chi for a long time. I also have interest in Quantum Physics and have tired to read a lot about the great scientists of the past century trying so hard to come to grips with the fundamental constituents of the Universe. But I cannot reconcile a book replete with mystical paradoxes (while thought provoking and instructive) with Science and especially its empirical side. Hindus make claim about their sacred books and mystics as having apprehended Reality a long time ago. Schoepenhauer and Oppenheimer said they were inspired by Hindu texts. But are they scientific? (I do not think so).
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy 6 дней назад
Modern science is "replete with mystical paradoxes" too! Light is both a wave and a particle. Schrödinger's cat is both dead and alive. An astronaut traveling on a space ship close to the speed of light will return to earth younger than her twin. Which event occurs first in time depends upon your frame of reference.
@ximono
@ximono 6 дней назад
@@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy It's Schrödinger's cat, not Heisenberg's. Heisenberg is known for his cut, not his cat 🙂 Schrödinger's thought experiment was actually a critique of the Copenhagen interpretation, saying that a whole animal being be both dead and alive at the same time means there's a problem with this interpretation. Still, it did become part of the foundation of quantum mechanics, while some physicists (Roger Penrose for example) are still looking for other explanations.
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy
@BryanVanNordenPhilosophy 5 дней назад
@@ximono You're right about it being Schrödinger! Thanks for catching that.
@nypala
@nypala 7 дней назад
Giovanni Cacioppo, is that you?
@DorJinTan
@DorJinTan 5 дней назад
East, West. Never d twain shall meet.
@politics4270
@politics4270 6 дней назад
❤❤
@XrcyhikUbhdfbjdf
@XrcyhikUbhdfbjdf 6 дней назад
Rodriguez Dorothy Walker Jeffrey Wilson Christopher
@user-vv7xo5jr5m
@user-vv7xo5jr5m 7 дней назад
Jones Edward Thomas Jose Brown Jessica
@farrider3339
@farrider3339 4 дня назад
_god doesn't play dice_ Bohr's reply : Don't tell god what to do ! 😎cooL
@TheToscanaMan
@TheToscanaMan 6 дней назад
The enigmatic quantum theory has been an interesting topic of discussion for a while with no end in sight. I read Capra's book "The Tao of Physics" in 1975 when it came out. An interesting read as I recollect. Capra actually discussed his book idea with Heisenberg. Me... I struggle trying to picture quarks haha. 😱 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tao_of_Physics
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