Nietzsche's The Birth of Tragedy in 22 Minutes 

Thank-you so much Alexandra! Are you Alexandra Wuzyk the artist in Belgium? If so, your work is pretty fantastic too!

@@mathiaswarnes6350 I am, thank you for your kind compliment!

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Hi Daniel, There maybe an occult metaphysical connection, but during the period of Jung's Redbook writing, of which the Seven Sermones are the only piece he consented, at the very end, to have published in his lifetime, the predominant influence, within Nietzsche at least, is Thus Spoke Zarathustra (not The Birth of Tragedy). The sermons are more influenced by Gnosticism than anything else. More specifically his "Philemon" character is supposed to be a channel of the Alexandrian Gnostic Basilides. This gives Seven Sermons a quite different atmosphere and intellectual lineage than Nietzsche's BT. BT is more concerned with archaic and classical Greek culture, and it incorrectly views Alexandrian culture more as refinement than as world-historical religious fermentation and transformation. I don't think it would have occurred to Nietzsche to identify with the Gnostics in the way Jung relishes doing.

@@mathiaswarnes6350 Very interesting, thanks for the reply!

Professors in Germany were talking about it while he was still alive, and have ever since been fascinated by this particular incarnation. As usual, we're just catching up.

@@mathiaswarnes6350 Really? Any reference material or just dialogue? Have you listened extensively to Morrison? He was heavily influenced by Nietzsche. Fred would have recognized Morrison as one who had gone under. Thank you for your work.

@@Roy-xe9is It's been a while since I was reading the reference material in German, and my German isn't good enough anymore. But the academic discussion connecting Morrison to Dionysos in Germany was quite common in 70s-90s. I remember encountering it first when working on German philosophical accounts of "festival" during my doctoral studies, and finding several footnotes with reference to works on Morrison and the Dionysian. I can't recall anything more specific after all this time, but such a literature exists.

@@mathiaswarnes6350 Excellent. Thank you.

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Hi BAppleJuice, This is my first question like this, thanks! I was referring there not just to the gods Ouranos and Gaia, but the Ouranian and Chthonic distinction in classical studies, but they can be considered synonymous at times. The Cambridge Ritual School, esp. Jane Harrison, is well-known for dividing up Greek religious phenomena along these lines, but you can also find it in 19th century German philologists, like Friedrich Creuzer, alas, still untranslated. There's lots on ouranian/chthonic out there, however, that's good! It's an organizing trope in most textbooks on classical mythology now, but not without a few hold-out critics. I like Karl Kerenyi's work especially. You might read his Apollo book alongside his Dionysos book on this. Most 20th century Greek myth and religion scholars discuss it. I think I was suggesting, too quickly, that Nietzsche's D/A as 'art-forces of nature' might be situated in relation to this larger ouranian/chthonic discussion. It's not something that you find directly in Nietzsche, but it's not not there either.

@@mathiaswarnes6350 Thanks for that answer!

Not in ancient Greek religion context, which Nietzsche is ostensibly speaking to as a classical philologist. Apollo is evident at prophetic oracles, dreaming incubation, and healing sanctuaries (esp. through his son Asclepius). Measure and restraint is attested in those contexts too: for example, healing the Greek from excess, helping them to know themselves, to receive prophetic insight and wisdom in healing dreams, etc. You may want to check out the longer lecture on the god Apollo I just did in the Classical Mythology playlist for more on this. Thanks for the comment.

@@mathiaswarnes6350 Thanks, Will do. It makes a bit more sense if the healing and dreaming is in the context of wisdom/restraint.

Nietzsche is an extensive philosopher of individuation and individuality and most all scholars in Nietzsche studies acknowledge these as among his core concepts. :)

@@mathiaswarnes6350 Oh right so Jung merely fleshed out these concepts, he picked up after Nietzsche. It makes sense.

Thanks Tom! Yes, I teach at CSU Sacramento in Philosophy and Humanities/Religious Studies. This last year with the move to online has been crazy with making video lectures for new classes each semester. This one turned out well because my 20s and 30s self kinda memorized the book and scholarship, and I had the opportunity to teach it many times over the last seven years. It's nice to see it has over 700 views, and many likes. I've had to get so many out so quickly but this is only one that youtube has caught onto so far. There are a few other "dope" ones here and there on my channel, but a lot of course essentials too, stuff people might not really want to put in the time for unless they were taking the class. Thanks for appreciating this one! My course load is finally easing up just a bit this fall, so I'm looking forward to making more like this, especially for classical mythology.

@@mathiaswarnes6350 Is CSU Sacramento a good institution? I can't imagine how painful it has been on professors and students alike. How are you finding it? Some of the students at my university have struggled with engagement during the move to online-learning (myself included), but I hope things have settled nicely for you. I can tell that you tackled Nietzsche deeply at some point and that this wasn't just last-minute regurgitation. Hence I guessed you were a professor. It's humbling to read someone's take on these dispositions who's vastly more versed in his writings than I, because I take great interest in the Dionysian/Apollonian natures and their relationship, yet I have much yet to learn. I imagine most of your content is probably "dope" in its own regard, but people might not appreciate it without context. I detested Wilde's 'Dorian Grey' on my first reading for example, because I assumed Wilde was pro-Dorian. It was only after rereading it that I saw it as a subtly ingenious critique of "degenerate" Victorian society (what Spengler meant by 'Faustian hochkultur' perhaps?) I might be off-base in my interpretation, but the salient point is that I took more from the text after learning contextually relevant things. These texts can be obtuse and intimidating in isolation, but with context their profundity spontaneously emerges. I'm afraid you'd probably have hated me as a student (typical disengaged, lazy renegade; obstreperous and narrowly interested on certain particulars of a text). Mythology sounds like fun though! I've been thinking a lot recently about Olympian epic and myth, and the recent retelling of the "gunslinger" mythos through videogames. I've also been thinking a lot recently about the Samurai, and how I find their old culture to be considerably superior to the "commercial carousel" here in the West. I suppose these meanderings are my way of asking 'what story can one create that appeals to the greatest number of people, minimise or relegate the fewest, be dramatic enough to be engaging and yet grounded enough to be believable and imitable? And what would such a story have to look like for its imitation to create a stable, fertile, prosperous and engaging culture?' But then my view is that art is more real than real life; not because the metaphysical is inherently superior, but because art represents the unification of the metaphysical and the embodied, in a way that the peoples of a culture might forget how to "live out" during periods of cultural stagnation or nihilism. So to my mind, Art* essentially preserves ontological truths, to the end that we may remember through art how to emulate those forebears whom lived at a better time, and thus it serves as an ontological anchor which encodes those forgotten ways and forms, so that future generations might 'carry the fire' and renew their despoiled cultures by showing others a superior way to live. But this is my take on it. And I'm sure others disagree. *'Art' is capitalised because I have fallen into the habit of indiscriminately capitalising common nouns which I feel to be significant. It is not to be obtuse or to defy convention rebelliously. A simple flourish which I sometimes preserve for character. :)

@@117Industries CSU Sacramento has some things to recommend it. The multiculturalism is nice, and there are some great professors. Some problems too, like with all predominantly vocational training universities in America in the 21st century, but not going to bad mouth my employers in public😂. As to students, I've had my share of ostreperous lazy renegades, but those are often the best ones. They've got character, although nowadays they seem to be all-too-into Jordan Peterson, alas. From your Faustian hochkultur reference I'm sure I would have enjoyed having you as a student. Some of your remarks on art and speculative metaphysics sound a bit like Schelling's philosophy of art to me. You might like that lecture here in my Phil of Art playlist. Nietzsche was much more suspicious of art in later writings!

@@mathiaswarnes6350 That's good to hear :). Multiculturalism is good. I'm not a fan of some of the identity politics and deconstructionism that come with it though, but then I suppose it's impossible to separate politics from art and life. Haha, that's okay. The corporate retards who run the universities put an awful strain on the professors, and it's not good enough. I've read a few papers from "soft" whistle-blowers and can see that they're up to no good. A lot of the whacky political stuff seems to come from them too. Not that they see a big picture of course, but they're playing the populist game for the bums to seats. And that's alright, I'll badmouth them for you because I have nothing to lose in that regard xD. Some of the other students who fit that description were pretty bright and original, if not annoying as hell. You got me there too, I like Jordan Peterson. I don't hero-worship him though. He's deeply flawed. As am I, and as is everyone else. And while I respect his efforts to do what he believes is necessary, he recently recovered from severe benzodiazepine withdrawal and received emergency treatment in Russia. But he has a safety-net of family and wealth to fall back upon, a luxury which some of us don't have. Some of us have to be the strongest in our families because everyone else around us is an addict, dead, estranged, or incompetent, and it puts us in a position of responsibility we haven't been primed for, which we shouldn't expect to carry given our prior decisions, and while we're already broke from studies and burned-out from the vicissitudes of life. So it gets a little tiring hearing him tell you to "just take responsibility" for him to become a total burden to his entire family despite his relative position of power, comfort and security; while you yourself are already taking on more than your fair share of responsibility from a place of relative difficulty. That's not to say that his advice is bad, but that perhaps he shouldn't be the one dispensing it. I think it would have been fun. I suspect the professors at my university would have enjoyed my presence more had I not gone in so hot-headedly xD. Alas, hindsight gives 20/20. I haven't read Schelling but it might be worth looking into :). What about your relationship with art? Do you think it serves a function beyond the canvas, so to speak? And yep, I think the Philosophy of Art lecture sounds like my kind of thing! I will look that up! And it's interesting that Nietzsche became suspicious of art later, a complete U-turn from his original position. This makes my mind race.

It's been way too long since I made this one lol to remember them all. There is a project folder around here somewhere.

@@mathiaswarnes6350 I'm patient don't worry, you have plenty of time to find it if not, that's fine I still appreciate the help anyways

That's so cool Edward. Of course you'd find me on youtube with those search terms lol.

There’s actually a whole literature inn German Nietzsche scholarship of connecting N’s Dionysus with the Doors! Maybe a future video🙃

@@mathiaswarnes6350 If you read the little known book by Dennis C Jakob "Summer with Morrison" he recalls that for Morrison, the Birth of Tragedy was his favourite Nietzschean work.