2nd Hand Souls band members react to Nightwish Weak Fantasy Live at Tampere. Link to the original video: • Nightwish - Weak Fanta... Link to our channel: / @2ndhandsoulsmusic
If Noise was about the social media we live throughout, this is about the outer world surrounding us, church, rules, politicians, believes. They tell us what to believe and not to believe, we live by their rules.
I have found Tuomas' lyrics generally neither condemn nor promote any beliefs. If anything they are supposed to make you think and form your own idea. And that's the whole point of this song. There are institutions that would indoctrinate you from childhood to believe only their version of the truth rather than allow you to discover your own with free thinking. Isn't every child worthy of a better tale?
Hi Souls. This is a beautiful song and one of my Nightwish favorites. It is not a slam on personal faith, but it is a hit on those organized religions that prey upon followers to fill their coffers. Nothing to do with God, but everything to do that those who would profit off of God. Thank you for this reaction and don't worry Chrisy. All will be well.
It is Tuomas' take organized religion, they are not about worshipping the devil. Tuomas believes in science. Male necrocracy is following a dead man. He was pointing out hypocrisies that exist, as religions have brought about world wars. My mother is a devout Christian, and I am a true blue atheist. She tells me all the time she is praying for me and I tell her thank you. I have been both Southern Baptist and Roman Catholic, in my case you would say I have lost all faith in a supreme being, long before Nightwish. Tuomas and Troy have identified themselves as non-religious. I knew that I would have to say something when this song came up. They do not worship God or the devil as they do not believe in their existence. Hard to worship beings you have no belief in. Tuomas' somewhat rant via this song was not towards believers, but towards the people/governments that use and manipulate religions to control the masses.
Just curious...Can you explain why he chooses to reference these things in other songs. "Second robber to the right of Christ", "Christ, I hate what I've became", "Lord let me be wrong in this pain"...?
@@deathworlder100 Tuomas is from "religious" home. His grandpa was a vicar/parson (not sure if those are right tittles in english... Boss-priest 😁) So he is very familiar with christianity, I assume. And if I'm remembering right, he was quite "spiritual" when he was younger.
@@deathworlder100 Tuomas appreciates the power themes that encapsulate many stories from the New Testament. In his younger days he also had a very poetic style of writing lyrics that was not very “on the nose” so to speak. So he will often include references to powerful literary works in his lyrics as a way to convey a atmosphere and feeling as he tells his story. It’s not just biblical references, it’s also fiction (Stephen King, Patrick Rothfuss, Tolkien, Snow White and many other fairy tales, Finnish mythology, etc.) as well as non-fiction poets/essayists/journalists (Whitman, Thoreau, Dawkins, Darwin, etc.). Using biblical references as a form of rhetoric to convey a meaning is exactly that: a way to communicate.
Awesome explanation. And I absolutely agree...as a religious person myself. People that live in fear are much easier to rule and manipulate....history keeps repeating
Mainly composed by Marko and lyrics are Tuomas and Marko together. Marko is very clearly visible in the lyrics. Tuomas is very poetic, uses lots of symbolisms and speaks a lot between the lines. Marko is a lovely guy, but he is outspoken when he starts talking about serious things and he is especially outspoken about authority figures. They have also said that the lyrics of this song have been carefully reviewed with the whole band.
Thank you 😊 I can see that in the song now I think the necro, threw me off...The children deserve better ....pretty much sums it up ....that is so true...there are some sad stuff that goes down in certain cultures and it is heart breaking... I love the way these guys compose, as always another ❤️ song to love
The lyrics are about religion in general. It's criticizing those who hold power for scaring people with afterlife to keep them in line and doing as told. It's about newborns who have no choice but to assume the religion of their mothers. It's about the spiritual need of humans being abused by organized religion. That's what I'm getting at least, knowing that Tuomas has a sort of secular and scientific view of this world.
🇫🇮 👍Thanks for the great reaction to one of my favorite Nightwish songs. Although the song's message goes against organized Christianity as a tool for controlling people, it's not against one's personal faith in God. P.S. Tuomas comes from a long line of Christian priests in his family tree, but he & most of the band members are secular.
Quite a Masterclass musically. As a songwriter think I will focus on the instrumental elements. It's a game of sound and still.I remain in a strong reality protected from the discord of false beliefs, Peace and Love brother
I was curious how you, as people of Faith, would react to this one. As a Norwegian with an agnostic view on the world, I love this song. Several others have explained what's going on here, so I won't repeat it. Other than this is not an attack on personal Faith or beliefs, but an attack on those who exploit people's beliefs. Regardless which faith. Cristianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.. It doesn't matter in this song.
I was a bit perplexed at the onset...it is my realization that we have a creator God....He sent his son to save people 😀...we are not here to condemn good people, If any of us had all the answers we would be "gods"...I know my limited intellect...my parents rarely took me to church. I wasn't born in the Bible belt...I found Christ on my own. As a Child I prayed for dreams to show me the truth. Anyone who is good and searching for the truth I have no reason to condemn them. I love this song also...There is so much eschewed in the world. We have to sift fact from fiction. I ❤️ LOVE...GOOD PEOPLE. My beliefs system was build around trust and prayers answered. Therefore I am Christian. Jesus wants us to love. If love were only reserved for the perfect and all knowing , then love would be nonexistent. We are awestruck at the amazing musicianship of Nightwish. And love rocking out with you good people I have family members that are agnostic, I love them regardless of their beliefs. There is a big difference between good and bad people. This song says the children deserve better.. better than the bad, cruel abusive mistreatment some suffer...I have an acquaintance Dzen that helps the tortured and abused Children across the pond, she is Lithonian, cruelty and abuse is what I am against. I don't have to drive to far down the road to see what Tuomas and Marco are speaking out against. The song is loaded. PLAYING IT TWICE....Gave me a better understanding, that is why I reached out for comments. Thank 😊 you all for your comments. Rock on!
Guys, I know that in American circles it's not appropriate to talk about politics and religion. We don't do it here in Europe either, yet an artist has not only the freedom but almost the obligation to speak uncomfortable truths too. And I am with Tuomas and Marko here. I believe in God and I believe that there was never a greater human being than Jesus Christ. But just think about it. The Nazarene kept silent for the first 30 years of his life, and when he began to openly teach, the first word he said was "blessed". And yet look what organized Christianity has made of that! It has devolved into blind obedience, authority and discipline fetish, oppression, intolerance, a drooling adulation of the tribal rules of the Iron Age Middle East. They always seem to know who does God hate, who are the sinners and in order to put power behind their fetish and to enforce their laws upon the whole of society they made a criminal deal with the worst kind of politicians. Most Christians today define themselves as Conservatives, forgetting that it was the Conservatives who murdered Jesus. Every word that Caiaphas says according to the Gospels is quintessentially Conservative! Jesus never took a political stance. Not even once, in fact he made it clear that he wants to stay away from it, that worldly power doesn't concern him at all. I think if he came back indeed one day, he would recognize himself and his teachings in extremely few people if any, and the overwhelming majority of Christians would not be among those few. Their story is indeed a weak fantasy and yes, it's sad that their children are raised to believe that fantasy to be the absolute, ultimate truth, to the point that they become unable to stop and think, and realize what it really is.
I think the lyric-question _is_ relevant, as Tuomas always also has a "story to tell you". And I think this suggestion was a bit of a trick for you, as you are religious. I think it is about the dark side of religions. Some have been offended. But as for how I see it, it is always a good thing to be ready to look the history and truth straight in the eyes for not to make the same mistakes again; Everything human have invented/ "knows", can and will be used both for good and for the ugly. And religions are one "tool" that also has been used that way. It also can be a frightening, strong tool, as it sometimes includes a thought of just believing and obeying. So it can be a tool to contol the masses. As it is used, right in the moment we speak,to try to make people attack another country, kill, and feel they have no option, or they're doomed. But I think the history of this excact moment will tell that if you did obey, you will have ended on the dark side. So being true to your soul and values and never giving the power over you to another human being blindly, is the only way to stay humane. Human beings make mistakes. Grand mistakes.
This song is, unlike what many people might think, not so much only about religion itself, but more about the abuse of power within the different religions and governments. 'Necrocrasy' is, to quote Wiktionary: "A form of government where a dead person is recognised as its head, usually a deceased former leader." Or, to quote William Bennett Munro's The Invisible Government: "A form of government by the graveyards. Old precepts and phrases are handed down from one generation to another; they become part of a nation's heritage." Certain religious and governmental leaders worldwide put the living fear (in older days witchcraft for example, think of the Salem witch trials) into people first before showing a so called "enlightened" way to rid people of that same fear, which in fact they never do. In doing so 'They' manouvre themselves in a dictatorial position, which automatically makes people into slaves. And all under the cloak of "the greater good". 'Tribal poetry' can be interpreted as 1 book or text that tells us how to be and who to be. 'Kiss the ring, praise and sing' is forcing people to acknowledge 'Their' power. This is just my personal perception of the lyrics. Of course, to each their own. 😉😄
I love how Tuomas rocks out on this song. And Kai is absolutely killing it on the drums. My take on this song is it is an indictment of the fantasies and lies we are told, and that we tell ourselves, to justify the evil things we do, or allow others to do. The last line of the chorus (Every child worthy of a better tale) is a plea to realize what is happening and reject it. The necrocracy is a reference to governments who recognize a dead man as its head. Think North Korea, the Soviet Union, Venezuela. So I guess you can say it is a protest song against accepting the false narrative that is so present in life. Stay safe, God bless, and keep rocking.
This song is about Tuomus's hate for "ORGANISED" religion, NOT about individual people of faith. An example of this would be the Roman catholic church. I mean the Vatican has it's own bank, along with priceless works of art and scriptures hidden away in the Vatican city vaults. These art works and scriptures should be on display for all to enjoy, but the Roman catholic church considers them thier "property and assets".
This is one of my favorite songs, as I totally relate to the lyrics as well. It's about dominating people by putting the fear in them (which is exactly what organized religion does). From infancy people are being scared with stories about the eternal afterlife in hell. (Mother's milk laced with poison for this newborn & fear is a choice you embrace) Every child is worth a better tale. Tuomas is a scientist, there is a video in which he says he's openly secular. 🤘🏽
@@RossNixon I don't see it that way, it's about the manmade religious organisations like catholic church, islam etc. They have a lot of power and control people by scaring them with stories. And also letting them pay to get a better chance to go to heaven... buying the stairway to heaven. In this song sucking dry the teat of the scared... Imho it's not about god.
I'm am starting to figure out, it is the old world controlling religion so many are referring to...perhaps that is why our ancestors crossed the ocean to get away...the BIBLE refers to the great harlots of religion. GOD does not fit in that package...Our creator the Father and the Son...are omnipotent...We must never define our creator by the short comings of humans with a limited intelligence The true God is in Spirit. DECERNING THE HOLY FROM THE UNHOLY IS THE KEY.....Angels are ministering messengers...the fallen angels are demons. One third of the angels fell.That requires discernment to not be tricked or enticed by them either. The good holy angels help us continually
"Male Necrocracy" is a system of government in which the current rules were made by men who died time ago, in other words, rules that are not according to the current times. I love this song and this particular performance. It's so powerful!
@@RossNixon Most of the europeen countries ,are not that religious anymore and historicly you see religion slowly fading away, Even in the USA ,historians see a tendency that religion will be fading away and say that in 20 years time there will be be more non religious people living in the USA.
Just loved your reaction, to what's a song, against religion which we can agree has had very dark and brutal periods in the past. But it's not against Christianity per se. I know that most of the Nightwish members are agnostic, but they have tremendous respect for believers. As a former Athiest - Agnostic - and now a Firm Believer, I can relate to the song. Both Tuomas and Floor are true Empaths .....good souls. Great complex song. Love you guys ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Male necrocracy is rule by dead men. I.E. all the ancient prophets of different religions. Kiss the ring is a direct reference to The Pope I assume. And many references to how people have been manipulated by various leaders using fear of retribution etc. And how children are taught by their parents. But in the end it says it's your choice as you have free will. Something once prominent in the US constitution.
I read the lyrics - weak fantasy - as a take against indoctrination. In any form. Use your own thoughts and adopt a critical mindset to what happens around you. Whether you believe in religion or not - most Scandinavians are not religions (definitely not the swedes - and we haven't been in war for over 200 years and we hold human rights very high, so we are not really the bad people on the planet). A person should, no matter your beliefs, be judge by their actions. And if there is a God, that force will also judge people by their actions, not by their belief system. Nightwish as a band is a force that makes the world a far better place. The power in that is humongous.
People probably explained it so far, but there is no sugar coating here. This is a massive critique for 3000 religions and gods people made up so far and infinite lives lost because of them, persecutions of nonbelievers and wars among each other. Nightwish is unapologetically nonreligious and secular band, praising everything good science did for humanity (Floor and Tuomas wanted to be biologists as kids, Marko astronomer, and so on). All bandmembers are from prosperous nonreligious countries and they don't walk on shells, scared they might hurt someone's feelings. This and song called Tribal are prime examples what they think about the topic.
Today a bought tickets for Nightwish concert in ther hometown Kitee 16/6 2023. Thats gonna be something else. Back to the beginning..their roots.❤️ Thanks guys for sharing this. The lyrics in this song..i'm sure you get a good explanation in The komments.
BTW, I absolutely loved the back & forth between Mouseman & Crissy! Perfect example of just how genuine and spontaneous your reactions are. Dig it! At 12:40 etc. "Tommy and I, we're the Word people man!". Really understand Crissy eager to ask lyrics questions, but I'm with Mouseman on this one. Instruments People versus the Word People, woohoo game on! Just the way one approaches a new song, I guess. For me it's always music/vocal performance first, second & third and after that the lyrics. Which is why I really appreciate your separate videos for that. Looking forward to your stream, since lyrics/message wise there's some tales to tell re: this particular Nightwish song. So cheers again & hope to catch you guys there.
Fun to watch. This one is always a bit of a big bite for people of strong faith. The denial towards any criticism against their beliefs. Even people of christian faith should see all the abuse performed in the name of religions. Sadly everything in the song is true. Religions ARE witchcraft, nercrocracy and tribal poetry. That said - I think I read somewhere Tuomas commenting weak fantasy as a time when he was a different person in a different mental state. I assume this is about being angry and frustrated towards the world. Now I guess they are still secular agnostic scientists, but in a more discreet way. As someone said - they seem to be some very empathic and caring people. This will also give a different view to their other lyrics. They are trying to tell people to enjoy the amazing universe without clouding ones mind with beliefs and other fake facades like social media. Interesting to see your possible lyrics breakdown video. Hoping this doesnt shake up your Nightwish journey too much.
They are humanists. Much of their last two albums focus on the natural world vs "man's fantasies". Other songs where this becomes more obvious.... The Greatest Show on Earth, Tribal, Pan for a few. In their performance of The Greatest Show on Earth, they include excerpts from Darwin and the atheist, Richard Dawkins. Mr. Dawkins appears at the end of their show in Webley Arena to speak the words from his book. Although I don't agree with his worldview, the music is next level.
Thank you for reacting to this. It's one of my fav songs from Nightwish, musically anyway. I understand the lyrics can be a bit controversial to some and some people will definitely take it the wrong way.
This is a great song against organized religion and slavery. Nightwish almost never make a mistake, but in the KINSLAYER at Buenos Aires 2018 Marko forget his lyrics. How he solved that (hilarious), react to that one. Greetings from the Netherlands
Tribal: not a literal tribe, but how people are born innocent, without ideas or religion, but their locality (tribe) makes the children grow into that idea which is forced upon them. No child is born a Christian, or a Hindu child, or a Muslim. Those are the tribal traits; tribal fantasies. The summary of indoctrination. The part about living in fear and sin: that is what has been used by kings and dictators ( and these days, televangelists) to maintain their position for 1000s of years. If there is some idea of a divine being which a populous are brought up to believe in, it can *give* the king or dictator an authority which has little chance of being questioned - because they are "divinely ordained".
No human civilization can live in a religious vacuum. People naturally tend to seek something to worship. If it is not God you worship, you replace it with something else.
To my understanding its triggered towards catholic believe (f.e. The words "kiss the ring, praise and sing"), religions in general, which fill the blanks of what they don't know or can't accept with witchcraft and (weak) fantasy... Mind you that Tuomas' intention is not to tell people what to believe or not, just to think in their own, not falling for ideologies that are at least in a good part... Weak fantasies.
"Weak Fantasy" is one of my many Nightwish favourites. Heck they all are. So many layers and trademark Nightwish transitions. I am not a believer in the "theory" of evolution or fond of Richard Dawkins so try to focus on the music and performance and how they move me, and because of that I believe in Nightwish. Thanks as always folks for a superb reaction to another humdinger from this phenomenal band. Paul - Nightwish Army England UK 🙏😊👍
@@zianser The "theory" of evolution is a "theory" i. e. it has not been proven scientifically. The clue is in the word "theory". Also I do not need to go to church to "believe" in Nightwish. 😉
Necrocracy refers to being governed by a leader who is dead. Not the same as necromancy. I think the best explanation of the themes in this song comes from Troy and Tuomas in this short video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZJuWLkTwtFs.html
@@Zozo-K- Thank you, I understand that, but since the song is about religion, Tuomas is not using it in a literal sense of government, up to individual interpretation of course, but clearly in this context he is referring to Jesus and Christianity.
First : Troy is playing an Electric Bouzouki ( A musical instrument popular in Greece. It is a member of the long-necked lute family, with a round body with a flat top and a long neck with a fretted fingerboard.). Marko is Playing an Warwick Infinity / Panthera Double neck Bass and Guitar ( It is called THE BEAST). This song is against organized religions based on tribal religious texts, especially The Bible, it's not against personal faith in some Deity. However, one should realize that all those religious texts are & have been interpreted and used to justify unimaginable cruelties, persecution, discrimination etc., the worst being the idea that man is separate from nature & by some divine right above all other lifeforms, which explains the current almost catastrophic state of our planet. lyrics are spot on - so many fractures in our world have a root in the fantasy that each of the religions/sects/whatever are THE ONE way. This song speaks, with anger, against the fact that we humans are destroying ourselves and this world based on a power structure that needs to be made obsolete - we ALL deserve better. I LOVE this Song . Especially Floor's Freddie Mercury pose at the end . Speaking of Freddie ,....Floor's first band After Forever did a Cover of Queen's song "Who Wants To Live Forever " : Who Wants To Live Forever ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yPLtgu2pPic.html Nightwish Shadow Unit from Estonia 🤘😎🤘.
This is Tuomas’s slam at the control and manipulation of organised religion. - how the one on one relationship an individual can have with faith can be muddied by a large organisation with unscrupulous leaders who take adavantage of their “flock” for person gain and hide behind a curtain of righteousness. Crissy is right to have pursed lips watching this, this steps very close to the faith you hold so dear. But in fact the wider message is for those selfish and abusive individuals who ruin the purity of the collective church. Additionally it’s a slam on cultures or societies that make it almost criminal to not follow the designated pathway of faith- think Islamic countries such as Iran for example
This was by tuomas and marco and dislike of organizated religion all the things we are taught to fear instead of love scare our children anyway that's what I thank God bless
"Witchcraft" is a reference to organized religion. This song is a denounciation of organized religion. "Male necrocracy" refers to being lead by a dead man from long ago, leave it as an exercise to figure out who that is. :)
I love this song ‼️ I’m not going to get in the mix of explaining because that is done extensively already. You liked the drumsolo Mouseman? Watch EPICA, Cry for the Moon. Watch the whole video including the orchestral intro. You’ll love it. Hope you do a livestream this weekend. 🫶🤘
Fact. Some people wonder why Vatican City has its own bank. Vatican City is an independent state (0.44 sqKm) in the city of Rome in Italy. It is the smallest state in the world, which is why they also have their own bank and ambassadors from many countries from all over the world ...
Catholicism ,pope? Yeah that's why I preach to my friends never underestimate how mighty our God is by the mistakes and failures of those who manipulate religion to manifest their own personal agendas
It's about religion, causing wars all over the world again and again all through mankind, due to the different religious stories people are forced to learn from childhood, before they have the necessary knowledge and background, and therefore able to form their own opinions. This whole album (Every form most beautiful) is about the Earth's birth (The Greatest Show on Earth) - and the Evolution through the 4,6 billion years the Earth has existed. The wonders of the Nature, the human race and all our stupidity and greatness, feelings etc etc. We in the Nordic Countries in Europe are mostly ateist, and therefore this song is in perfect harmony with our view of life and the Evolution. But we know that it will not be understood the same way in many other countries. But the composition and singing are incredible - you don't have to like or agree in the lyrics - just enjoy the performance and music. 👍🤘🤘🎶 Ps. Nowadays, these lyrics are even more important, due to the many religious fanatic refuges we get in Europe, bringing their own wars with them, and working on converting Europe into a Muslim Sharia area. It's a harsh time to experience, because we generally don't want to go back into the middleage of laws and behaviors. We want our freedom and evolutionary progress intact.
Love the reaction 😊. To me it about our evolution from oral histories from tribes around the world to the written word as the album that this came from was pretty much about how we came to as we are now.
Hi souls!! I've been watching your reactions for awhile and been enjoying them. If you want to take another deep look into great finnish melodic metal I really suggest and recommend giving a band called Amorphis a go. It's a band with a long long track record and great songs. Mostly taking topics and lyrics from finnish mythology and the songs, vocals , compositions are just epic. For a first introduction a song called : "The bee", "Amongst stars" or "Silver bride" might just be your alley. Thanks and all the Best from Finnland to you all.
Amorphis - strongly seconded! The Bee especially is such a beautiful song featuring a prehistoric myth related to our little busily buzzing industrious heroes that along with their various pollinating colleagues keep the very ecosystem running!
Hiya dear people from Auckland New Zealand :) Tuomas would never push his views on anyone, he allows people to interpret the lyrics in their own way. His lyrics are often very deep, and always thought provoking :) For me, this isn't about the existence of God or not, it's pointed towards people who use sacred books and ancient texts for their own agendas and use other people in their self-serving schemes. Believe in a God or not, I have no time for people who are so selfish and egotistical, they will make up rules that fit their own bias in order to control others. Jesus never had a church, golden robes, jewels, or rituals. What he had came from within, and was more powerful than any 'show-off' toys and transient material wealth. He lived his truth, as we should too, because before you can help anyone else, you must first be honest with yourself - self acceptance. Whatever name you wish to put on it, that force radiates from within. The most freeing thing you will ever do is come home to yourself - your home and your true wealth, and the answers you seek are already inside you, you just need to look there :) All rivers lead to one ocean, and whatever, and however you believe in anything, your actions should only ever be for your highest good and for the good of others. I did drift off onto a tangent a bit there! :D I hope it makes some sense :) Look after yourselves and your furry family :)
This is a song against organized religion. Not religion itself mind you, but the history of 'The Church' taking advantage of people and causing suffering. Tuomas was raised religious but has since become secular. Troy and Floor are out atheists, and Marko has helped to write their most anti religious songs, though I haven't seen anything where he blatantly states if he's an atheist, but he likely is.
Dear 2ndhandsouls, The comment section can turn ugly in a matter of seconds. Please, do not let it affect you and your journey into this beautiful music. My world view is not secular either, but I respect other views and I respect the band. Nightwish band members are not ambassadors for one view point only. And they are not above criticism. Why should they be? So while you react to their music, stay true to yourselves, it keeps the dialogue fresh and authentic.
🤩👍💥💯 "Weak Fantasy" is such a roaming track with thought-provoking lyrics. To Chrissy in short... Mr. Holopainen hardly ever put his personal opinions or thoughts straight down on the lyricism. Usually it takes a while to get used to 'read between the lines', in a way. If trying to understand the point of views from which direction each message is meant to approach. And That's just my humble opinion. Anyways. Thanks for checking out this Heavy blasting piece of their catalogue. 🤘😎 🇫🇮 💙
@@crissyperry1080 😮 How in the world I did end up to add an "H" letter on your name??? 🙈 Sooorrryyyy.... ✌️😁 Crissy Perry sounds way better... A cousin of Joe Perry? 🤘😆
Necrocracy is rule of a dead (like in North Korea where the official head of the state had died long ago), whether as necromancy is communication of the dead (which I do not believe in). I do not know that Tuomas is a secularist, but do not know whether he believes in god or gods. Anyway, to add to the list of foreign words - a Franciscan friar, who, by the way, considered this song to be primitive, has named Tuomas "King of the Prosody". I think he did it when analyzed the song "Harvest".
I don't believe Troy or Tuomas is Atheist they are Agnostic this is where it gets interesting as you can be Agnostic and yet lean towards Atheism or Agnostic and lean towards Christianity but generally an Agnostic person sits in a place where they don't believe in God but don't disbelief in the possibility of a God or God's existence. So they sit on the fence unless someone proves otherwise they existence or non existence of God or a god/gods. Where an Atheist flat out disbelieves in God's existence. This song isn't so much an attack against Roman Catholism or organized religion it's how we as people use these things for our own gain or control over the masses for power and money including burning Witches and Slavery. But it does send a very serious message.
Agnostism = lack of knowledge Atheism = lack of belief in God/gods So you can be both, an Agnostic and an atheist. Tuomas and Troy have said they are secular which means 'not connected with religious or spiritual matters'. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZJuWLkTwtFs.html&ab_channel=OpenlySecular
@@Albatrossi wow OK hear I am spreading information about the band based on misread information Apologies and thank you for the link. I'm not sure if it was Wiki or from another fan's information from a past reaction we're I got this misinformation from. I've been watching reactors for Nightwish for over 3 years now and I read a lot of what the fans say. But I never study much about personal things each band member is into so I don't come of as obsessed but now I wish I have. Glad to have someone doing the real research and I'll be minding how I reply for now on as to not make a false report in future. Thank you again.
@@jasonmarshall7572 I have seen an interview where Tuomas said he was an agnostic...like he doesn't know what is out there. But it might have been an old interview.
@@Nina-sp7rc Thank you I get so confused. My intentions I meant well but I don't go out of my way to research enough I just rely on other fans I thought must of researched and trust their information so it's made me realize not to post anything unless I know it's fact for now onwards. But thank you.
Christi says, “thanks for our tolerance,” but isn’t tolerant herself. If you’re a Christian, tolerance is very important. She’s just another Christian that doesn’t practice what she preaches.
Necrocracy - rule by the dead. In this case living by the supposed teachings of long dead male religious figures (Jesus is only one example - this is about the fact that happens in all the major religions, not about Christianity itself)
So true! People pray to dead forces/energies. We are dead. We are a reflection of our creator: The Almighty, Ra/God/etc Buddha/Jesus/Horus are the same
The lyrics imho pretty much reflect Dawkins point that teaching young children that there is a callous alpha male in the sky is repulsive. Guys, while reacting to those kind of songs that challenge religion please keep an open mind and remember that Tuomas is very into science and especially Dawkins.
@Marko L1977 as i said, imho it represents tuomas view on organized religion; not on faith. I will not go into debates about this matter because faith, spirituality and religion are very personal and individual. Mine is very different from yours and this would be a never-ending back and forth. Let's just stick to what this is here - a reaction video to a nightwish song.
More wars and injustice have been justified by religion than anything else. Thats not to say that religion is wrong just that whatever it sets out to promote too often it ends up in intolerance.
To understand Tuomas and Troy's mindset, here is a little 3 min video of them stating that they are secular and their reasons for that mindset. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZJuWLkTwtFs.html
Tuomas, being the deep thinker and seer he is, is merely commenting on Human Belief systems, which in themselves should be a personal journey of enlightenment. Never is any specific religion mentioned, merely questioning how the Human condition allows pure thoughts, tolerance and empathy to be sidetracked by bad people with hateful agendas. To me, any God for any religious belief comes from deep within the individual. When you are at peace with yourself, you can truly be at peace with the World and all creatures who inhabit it, including ourselves. Tuomas is posing a challenge to question and look inside ourselves for answers and serenity.
This is such a perfect song, which could've ended up in 'the better charts', worldwide. But........ I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE LYRICS ARE ABOUT!!! Love from Rich NL❤️🤍💙
@@martine3293 Hi Martine... Thank you for your fine explanation, but I already understood Tuomas' intentions... I only wanted to enlarge Crissy's words 😀😀😀 Thanx 4 your energetic and effortless enthusiasm concerning our Floor and our Nightwish...lovvvveee🌹
NIGHTWISH - Last Ride Of The Day - Orlando 2012 🔥 AI ENHANCED VIDEO 🔥 With Alissa & Elize & Tommy ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tw-u9HbYyZI.html
The lyrics of this song refer to Richard Dawkins' book “The God Delusion”, in which he describes very clear what he believes religions are all about. Dawkins conveys more wisdom in short and comprehensible sentences than thousands pages of religious scriptures have ever done. It's a book that is absolutely worth reading because it makes you think. And that's all Dawkins and also Nightwish want to achieve, to make people think for themselves. No religion wants its admirers to think for themselves. Here are a few quotes from the book that might give you already a little food for thought: "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." "I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world." "The less you think, the more you believe." "Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, how to evaluate evidence, and how to disagree with you." "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." I have seen in my own family how unrestricted belief in a manipulative ideology like that of religions turned people into the exact opposite of what they preached. Intolerant, complacent and judgmental non-individuals who believe themselves to be the crowning glory of creation. You can't argue with people like that because their minds are so stuffed with ideological hypocrisy that they wouldn't even accept any facts if they grew out of their nostrils. And in my experience, most people don't even choose a religion (or any other opinion) out of their own conviction that it is the right thing, but because they are looking for recognition and acceptance in society. And because they don't want to make the effort to form their own opinion about the universe, world and life, out of fear of being criticized for their own opinion, they adopt a preconceived opinion that makes any self-thinking unnecessary. Or to quote Albert Einstein: “In order to be an immaculate member of a flock of sheep, one must above all be a sheep oneself”
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fPQPEZ7U4mA.html This one is from the early days in the story of Nightwish, and it shows why Tuomas builded the music around her singingability 🥰🥰 Even though they split up in '05 I still have a soft spot for Tarja 🤗 and she is, thankfully still active, also with other bands as fx Within temptation, on Paradise, what about us?🥰🥰
The song is about the Bible and the lies in that book. Basically the song is talking about that children and kids needs to learn evolution and not the Bible.
Powerful music & lyrics and an absolutely great NW song, warning against fear-induced beliefs & superstitions. "Every child worthy of a better tale". For sure. Whether the accompanying narration by Dawkins - a rather outdated neo-Darwinist, constitutes a better tale remains to be seen tho. Just my 2cts as a biologist. Cheers from Amsterdam! 🤘
Good point about Dawkins. The ideas of evolution and darwinism have become sort of a religion themselves, and quite aggressively enforced one, I must say. It doesn't even matter if they're true or false - try to deny them as a scientist and your career will end rather quickly. Modern people consider themselves too intelligent to believe in God but they still need something to believe in, so this poor substitute will do. "Weak fantasy" indeed.
@@noneofyerbeeswax8194 Hey NoyB, always nice to read your comments. As a researcher I have had 1st hand experience of what scientism can do to research. About careers ending, funny you'd say that. A good friend of mine and class-mate at university specialized in genetics/molecular biology. In his PhD research he committed the ultimate sin: he rigorously applied the scientific method. This led to results which contradicted the dogmas of the day. They forced him to recant etc.. but he didn't and stuck with the data. When I went to the PhD ceremony years later, they commemorated their mistake and congratulated him (and themselves in hindsight) for his breakthrough contributions to what's now loosely defined as "epigenetics". So yeah, there's some irony in watching musicians putting Dawkins and "science" (as they understand it) on a pedestal, haha. Perhaps see you in the upcoming 2ndhandsouls stream? Might get interesting.. Cheers!
@@BrendonChase_2015 Yeah. When they can't break you, they will use your work to make themselves look better. If you fail, it's your fault. If you succeed, it's THEIR success. My own experience has been mostly negative. I've had the misfortune of being born and living in a very dogmatic society that doesn't tolerate any deviation from the norm. And of course, it's the political leadership that defines what "the norm" is. Day by day. I'll try to catch the stream.
Darwinism and richarddawkinism have indeed become a new religion. People will always find their weak fantasies. Great song in any case and a good reminder of the dangers of totalitarian systems.
@@KristiinaBerg Yeah, the song is great, made more so by the fact that it does NOT push darwinism directly, unlike a lot of other stuff from the two last albums. When music becomes ideologically charged, it loses appeal to anyone but people with similar views. And of course, the "scientific" theme is by definition much less emotionally impactful than that of love, hate, despair, hope etc. For me personally, "The Greatest Show on Earth" is nowhere near "The Poet and the Pendulum". The piano intro is amazing though - and it's pretty much the only thing I remember from it.
Absolutely brilliant song musically, as always. Having a dig at organised religion isn't very helpful unfortunately in my opinion. I know a lot of Nightwish fans are Atheists and freedom of speech is if course extremely important in life - but I happen to know many Christians who are definitely not on the extreme side and take great comfort in their beliefs. A very good friend of mine sadly died not so long ago - but she had a very strong faith which helped her deal with it very peacefully. Just saying. I'm a massive Nightwish fan btw - going to see them twice on the 21st and 22nd of November. For any trolls out there, I won't be replying to anything you have to waste your time writing - it's just an opinion!😃
I was rewatching your Lovebites reaction and caught that Animal asked about the grand piano on stage. SO just for Animal!! The piano is used for several songs but this is the favorite - "Swan Song with Chopin Etude" - Miyako composed "Swan Song" with Asami writing the lyrics.
Mostly this song is about strong people miss using religion/witchcraft to fuel wars while all humans are worthy of the real honest religion without any side things and abuse.
Why are you saying that? Are you afraid that people don't like nightwish anymore ,because they are agnostic/atheist? The text is realy clear for me,in what they are saying.
even with the lyrics you won't be so able to understand the message, you should also watch some of richard dawkings or christopher hitchens debates to grasp the meaning behind some of the lines since those are the summaries of long arguments
They are not wrong. How many TV series do we have about vampires, werewolves, and zombies? How many hit movies about the same? Stories gone mad! "every child deserves a better tale". AMEN!!!
Chrissie: ”Necromancer”😂. Like the Greek word for Democracy, (= reign of the Demos where Demos is people), Necrocracy is the reign of death, so (a mostly male) reign based on war and destruction🤓 So every child is worth a better tale (except in today’s Russia😢)
In this case it’s not “death” but rather “dead” since the addition of the word “male” implies a personification of an individual. Cracy = form of government, rule, or influence. “A form of government that a dead male is recognized as the leader”
@@zbygniewprlwytzkofsky6614 well the context fits when all 3 abrahamic religions are centered around being governed by a dead male(s) (Jesus, Mohamed, etc.)
@@clemenstremens1940 Juadaism, Christianity and Islam are the three Abrahamic religions, all derived from a common source. Thus, in the Nightwish song Tribal…”Abraham cut into three.”