I think they realized. I understand being good in pub doesnt translate to pro matches, but i dont think even debuting player would show this much disparity between pub and pro performance like miracle and sumail do in this match, they dont look like they care anymore, throwing even. Its like theyre passively protesting kuro's performance. Just my shallow assumption.
Not only that, the last fight without bb he should let centaur initiate. But he went first, which was fine if he BKBed in the chronos. Instead he didn't learn his lesson from pures luna game yesterday at roshan not raging / sumail not bkbing. Gets hexed and wastes 3 seconds in chronos. Like you commit, just go dude. Keep trying to clutch these bkbs or items but it's costing them games.
Puppey Ench in game 1 is such a masterpiece dang. Honestly if kky ain’t feeding that much and miracle got a better pos i still believe Nigma could survive in low T2
Bruh, watching kuro player perspective is funny 😂😂 game 2 batrider support running around didnt get any advantage or helping the team, even guardian level plays better support lol
People who say NGX must disband, they should retire, just know that KKY,Sumail and Miracle have nothing to prove. They have performed at the highest level, won the biggest trophies. They still love competing in the pro scene and let them have fun, its not like they are taking the chance of another young team.
not saying NGX should disband. Again KKY is the owner he should know better that he is destroying the team and career of sumail and miracle who can still play at the highest level. Look at notail, even though they still qualified at the last TI tournament he still retired cause he knew topson, sumail and the other team can still play better hence he doesn't want to destroy the career. He even told sumail to find a better team since he will be rebuilding og with young and new players
Maybe he should retire just to prove to you imbeciles that miracle and sumail are not the powerhouses they used to be. They are both at best, mediocre on a good day. Deal with it. They have succeeded in their careers. Let them do what they want. The only players that play with heart in this team are Matthew and fbz.
Only Secret though... They are iterally the best team in 2020 and top 4 teams since 2018-2022 and completely irrelevant in 2023 lol... Nigma is not even close since the organization formed, no high achievement.
@@NishaisthebestplayerSecret's prime is before and after Ti5. Original roster (Puppey, Kuro, Zai, s4 and Rtz) is epic but they were miserably eliminated at Ti5. Post-Ti5 where Valve introduced major tournaments, Secret is absolutely dominating with 'Puppey, w33, EE, Misery and Pieliedie' until original OG (Miracle, Notail, Fly, Crit and Moonmeander) arrives. Secret slowly recovers in Ti10 where they were eliminated by TS. Their roster at that time is epic too (Puppey, Yapzor, Nisha, Zai and Matu). TS is too good at Ti10. It's sad to see Secret drastically going downfall in Ti12 not even qualified.
@@NishaisthebestplayerTi7 is Liquid's best form with Miracle, MC, GH and Matu prime and Kuro wasn't too noob. They're still considered to be good at Ti9 where they defeated original PSG.LGD (with Ame and Fy).
as a person who has been a fan of this team from 2017 , its a torture for me to see miracle like this , demotivated , not the player used to be , pleeeeeeaaaaseeee kuro just become a coach or manager or smth and i think matthew is a better pos 5 rather than 4
@@io-rj6skDuring Stream, one donator mention if he’s gonna join Nigma for Topson-Miracle duo,…Topson laughs and said he doesn’t want to ruin his career in Pro-Scene
@@aa-fb8kq can't he just time walk the opposite way? It looks like he'll be far enough to not get stun though and even if he dodged the stun he would still killed by puppy
1st game is obvious - Secret had better early draft and snowballed it. If it went really late, Nigma would've won. 2nd game bad draft - Pango is not Sumail's best hero, idk why you would pick him. Also start of game when Miracle died 3-4 times, there were 0 wards, leading to safelane. I mean if your carry dies 2 times, just ward it, help him see the enemy when you leave him alone on lane. The squad is good, the only problem is Kuroky, they need a modern Pos 5, who can be more active.
Stop with the draft Rtz herald excuse, Sumail played like shit regardless of the draft. Same for Miracle. You swap both draft and Secret would still win easily based on players performance
I agree with u, thats the most basic support thing to do and yet kuro fails to do it. Not a miracle fan but if you get lockdown by 3 or 4 enemy at the same time, miracle totally had no chance, regardless even if its yatoro or any pro carry player. Its all about teamwork 😊
And if he did he would have had better teams to join. They are simply not as good anymore. The game is completely different from what it was back then, and the best players then are at most mediocre now.
I was nigma fan and I hoped all the time so that they could comeback but I'm sorry for myself and my time... When you don't learn from your loses, you are a loser No stun, no team fight ability, no utility ability, no farm and it means no win
Usually when you see a Void in lategame with 28k networth, when enemy carry has only 22k, completely smashing the game... but of course not Nigma, somehow they manage to still be completely useless
Sad. Kuro should retire 3years ago and live as a dota legend. Now many people doubt about him, and if he retire, he retire as an ordinary dota2 player. He should know when he should quit this game. Just like casey stoner, living as a motogp legend
First of all this not just on kuro. The entire team is playing in the same level. Miracle is probably the worst P1 since 2020. Apparently crystalis bad? Where are those haters? Second, life is more than just winning. Dota has been these players’ entire life. Not easy to just quit and figure out what to do for the next 60 years of their lives. He maybe mediocre now, but legend status never goes away. These are the guys that broke their backs to literally create an entire genre entertainment, without any promise or pay of anything. They did all of it out of pure love for the game, and you simply ask to leave it? Don’t disrespect them with such a vile take.
@@AdityaKundety i didnt ask him to leave man. It is his choice, not mine. I just give my opinion, people should know when he should leave. Many people or sport player leave at 20 or 30 something. Maybe he could coach or something else if he still into the game. Just know the limit not only passion. As you can see, now many people blame him, and you want to say this is just bad day for them again and again? I'm kuroky fans too, but just be wise, he is not competent anymore (in my opinion)
@@wenzstyle Many people blame him because none of these idiots know what a P5 role is for. They are the people who feel like the support role is a ward bitch and beyond that, a burden that they have to carry. They just want a scapegoat so their precious miracle is still “top tier”. They don’t want to face reality and realize the truth that all of these players have been performing bad. Coach? As if that role is immune from hate? You think these people won’t blame him when miracle team loses with kuro as coach? I just like to think kuro is doing what he finds joy in. Or he is trying to get through the bad phase. Yes, that can happen. If you believe kuro or other nigma players ever have a chance in their lifetime, then you don’t know the spirit of the game.
@@AdityaKundety i dont say that coach immune from hate speech man. Coach means he got many experience as dota player so he could give advice and sharing tips or trick that he know to the next ngx successor. He still can give his soul to the team. Coach not a maid, they also part of the team. But once again, i just give my opinion. My opinion and ur opinion can be different. I respect yours bro.
Ah fu proves that this is the era of supports. He is the MVP, just like 9class couple days before. Absolutely owning. Miracle, as always, is too fixated on cores like the game he got top NW on AM. Instead of killing pos 3,4,5 first as quick as possible and gang on the rest, he keeps going for cores unsuccessfully and then proceed to leave his teammates wiped out instead.
I really wonder how Kuroky continues to play? Does he not get embarrassed by the continuing barrage of losses? How and why do Sumail and Miracle continue to play with him? Just loads of money? Are they really not bothered by how they are ruining their legacies?
bruh my reply is tldr but typing out of frustration - I've always commented similar concerns ever since it was obvious that Nigma's never going to be tier 1 again unless they make the right changes/decision. I guess there is no direct answer to it. I honestly think it's purely money, sponsorships, comfort etc - Kuro may no longer be a good captain & player but he did secure the team (more like the organization) good deals with Etihad, Abu Dhabi etc. The Middle East is trying to make their e-sport scene big(ger) and they got Ex-Liquid/Nigma to boost for them. Individually, I'm sure all players are doing well, even in other e-sport games Nigma might be doing well (correct me if im wrong) but ig the focus/commitment/hard work you need to excel in dota pro scene as a team, Kuro needs to let go so someone who can prioritize/lead Nigma can do better and MAY BE even at least qualify for TI in the next whatever years of Sumail Miracle etc are left. Plus, most of Nigma players are/were Arab, Muslim(s), brown etc, settled in UAE - definitely in their comfort zone compared to being based in EU or NA etc
miracle not good anymore, remember when MC was being told kuro is holding him back? he played for other teams got some good games then proceed to choke the rest, miracle will still play like this with different teams and team mates 😂😂
Miracle got his farm in game 1 and threw the game with the worst chronos. You can't waste 2 chronos being so far from your team. You have a farmed Lina, wait when she's near and then chrono. Also, the death when Tusk kicked him back, that's a 2k play. You can blame Kuro all you want, but Miracle played extremely bad both games.
