Notes / errata: 03:25 I meant to say 22.6.1, not 22.5.2 The RX 480 was tested with 22.11.2, which were the latest official drivers at the time, and NimeZ 23.1.1
no problem at all as im only watching your videos because i love them, and seeing a bit of a performance uplift is something at one point if not another. also im using an nvidia card but i still love to see these old cards game on new games like my old but still not trashed out msi gtx 750 ti lp. i will check for more of your videos :)
good video, did'nt watch till the end yet and i have a reason to use nimez drivers on my 5700xt because reinstalling drivers each and every day i got tired on ;p, so i istalled radeon pro drivers trough amernime setup and my 5700xt has not been that stable since i switched to the radeon pro drivers, i only have to reinstall when a new feature is added in a game that the old drivers did'nt support, really sweat i love the option in nimez drivers that you won't get bugged by updates unless you want too.
The problem that you have detected in Forza is a general problem of AMD graphics drivers (official & amermine). Seems that something conflict with some effects: people are reporting above all, problems with occlusion, transparent textures and reflections when mma filter is activated (specially the one dedicated just to reflections). The bug is very evident in games as Red Dead or GTAV, where the reflections dissapear and mirrors overshadow in black :S. The last version without this bug is the 22.5.1. The worst thing is that you can notice the problem with mma reflections because is very evident when you are playing... But as user now i doubt if what I see in a game with my amd card is the true graphics or is anything else broken :S
What nimez does is prevent all these card from becoming e-waste which is really good to see. As well as extended the life span of cards that are frankly still quite capable.
Yeah it improves my frame rate in all games by 100% as AMDs drivers are literally useless. I wouldn't able to play the games I play without. And I wanted a dirt cheap card that can run any game at playable settings. So I managed to get a 7950 for 27 euros.
@@nadirjofas3140 what do you mean it doesn't? If do you mean the improvement? And technically you're correct 0% of 0 and 100% of 0 are both 0 so it technically doesn't increase my performance by 100%. But thats a bit nitpicky. I mean that with AMDs drivers games are literally unplayable and they are literally unusable as in: the games wil not even boot due to the drivers. With nimez drivers I can, not just boot the game but also play them at fairly decent settings with the HD7950 as a back up system. Games like fh5 go from unplayable/ 0fps to a pretty good 60-70fps at 1600*900 with mixed settings (mix of off, low and medium). But it looks pretty decent, it looks about the same as probably fh2 on the xbox one maybe a bit worse but it is definitely looking very decent still and it plays at a nice smooth fps. And if you mean the run any game at playable fps, then you're just factually wrong. Anything over 30 is definitely playable (it's what consoles do and plenty of people use those, and besides in the titles im playing I can go over that by a good amount by tweaking the settings a bit. It's pretty impressive consider that card is from like 2012, and im still playing AAA games on it. (Also one fan is dead but only 1 of the 2 fans is plenty to keep it below 70c).
SAM usually benefits cards with 8GB+ vram, so the 4GB cards won't really see a gain from it. Also the softness from the nimez drivers might come from the framebuffer compression feature, which lowers bandwidth usage a bit but games react differently to it I guess. Imo the 8GB polaris and vega cards have the biggest increase in performance, especially from increased gpu queues and sam.
Though I moved on from 290X years ago, the card is by far the longest lasting card I've ever owned. The 8gb 290x models and 390x are still extremely usable to this day.
Using them drivers with my Rx 590 so I could enable AMD smart access memory (s.a.m) with my Ryzen 2600 on a a320m motherboard. It's not ment to be possible with that CPU and motherboard but it's definitely working and activated. Gets so times as much as an extra 12-15fps in the games I play. Would be worth doing a video with these drivers and older AMD Ryzen CPUs with motherboard that not be to be working with
@@IcebergTech Forza horizon 5, uncharted collection, fallout 76 and Spiderman remastered I've noticed the most difference with extra frames, world of Warcraft and elite dangerous I have noticed not extra frames but more consistent FPS with less 1% drops. Spiderman gave the most difference on highest settings at 1080p was getting a constant 60+ FPS where as before used to hit 47-49fps on highest settings
The 22.6.1 legacy is probably just a new revision of the older drivers, not the real 22.6.1 the newer cards got. My guess is that they updated the radeon software, but not the driver itself. I say this because that's what happened to the legacy 22.6.1 driver for Windows 7. The last release before the 22.6.1 was the 21.09.12 (or something like that), which is still reported as the driver version in radeon software (system tab) on the newest release.
Honestly both nvidia and AMD shoudl open source and officially license community members to update legacy drivers. Its not economically worth for them to keep developing it, but atleast support the community who do it as a passion
Sadly they wont do it because Open Source means their tricks and hacks would be exposed and all that R&D invested in game optimizations would benefit their respective competition. Also I suspect there is some sort of dirty things that they do not want to show up, like, nvidia downgrading performance on older gen or some benchmark optimizations that are meant to not be seen.
@@daytimerocker3808 I hope that too, in worst case scenario they just don't update the code and don't make optimization for newer games. But the reality is that Nvidia is taking notes from Apple's Playbook.
Great video man. Still holding onto my r9 290 using nimez drivers. Very nearly upgraded due to uncharted being basically unplayable which i initially put down to the GPU but after a CPU upgrade (Ryzen 3 1200 to 3700x) its actually pretty playable. Didn't realise how big of a bottleneck the 1200 was haha. Cheers.
Yeah, that's not really a good CPU in today's games. I had a 2200g, which is pretty much the same thing as yours. Had some stuttering occur in more recent games that was gone after an upgrade to a 5800x3d.
The R3 1200 up to R5 1600 are all quite bad to okay in games, people can't be honest bout the 1600 tho they never admit its equal to any quadcore from 4th gen intel when it is especially in games, the R3 1200 is equal to a i5 3470 or lower in games so your R7 3700x upgrade will be a Godsend for any gpu you own well in comparison.
I picked up uncharted free on epic not long ago ... Wasnt impressed with the game . Looks great, good story line ... but the game play was So rinse and repeat you would know Exactly what was coming up before it happened . If youre into Story driven games then its great for that but if you want exciting game play .. move on .
Really came to appreciate the contet of this channel even when not being the audience this might be appealing to primarily. It's not only fun to watch but also very well made and informative. Keep up the great work!
Ive never heard of this Driver thing before .. Thank you . I will def test it out on my cards . I have a bunch of r9s ,Ill test out Crossfire too, hell I even have an R9 280x 6G vram i can test out. Looks like ill have something else to do throughout winter . By the By ... just found your channel, liking what i see mate so i subbed . Cheers .
While there may be reasons to use Nimez w/ GCN, the most noticeable difference the Nimez driver makes is with TeraScale. Arkham Knight for instance is unplayable on TeraScale gpus with the Legacy drivers - flashing textures and render issues - but the Nimez driver fixes most of the issues. It's still Arkham Knight, so it's a demanding game even for a 6970, but it's playable w/ Nimez.
Thanks for this video! I have r9 270x with i5-3450, 16gb ddr3. I tried Nimez and the performance was marginally better for some games and for others it was worse. I'm sticking to the legacy 22.6.10 because I feel it's more robust and the Radeon software works properly, without glitching. Imo the Nimez drivers are nothing profound for r9 270x. It just depends what games you play and the rest of the build. Just remember to clean, oven bake and reapply thermal paste for these old cards, it does wonders!
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Howdy. How are you able to install the latest legacy drivers on that gpu? My kid is using it and I can only install the 21.5.1 anything newer I get a message that I got the wrong GPU. Witch isn't the case.
Same here, 22.6.1 drivers usually crash on me (black screen) after turn on windows cannot find amd drivers. 22.5.1 seems more stable with crashee. But more stutter… I tried nimez drivers, although avg fps are a bit lower the 1% lows are higer, which makes game much smoother ( i5 4570 r9 270x)
Nice to know these exist still. The Nimez drivers for Halo Infinite funny enough make the game play the same as my GTX 1050 2gb did(around 45fps). Of course, this was with nvidia's image scaling and a heavy overclock on the GPU core and memory which only brought up my %1 to 35fps rather than its original 25fps. Of course I haven't touched Infinite since I finished it a year ago and then again used it with the Tesla M40 12gb which strange enough made it as playable as my brother's GTX 1070(1080p high settings/no tweaks/averaging 60fps)despite it being a Maxwell card. ....Weird but not at all surprising. Makes me more happy to be using this. Now if only I can get this darn Tesla M40 to work in Linux!!!
Gigabyte AM4 boards have a known UEFI bug with rebar. It does memory addresses at the wrong location and either doesn't work at all, works with significantly degraded performance compared to no rebar, and in some cases works fine.
something that isn't advertised about amernime drivers is that he sets the pre rendered frame queue to 8 from default 3 in the official drivers - this causes serious issues in cpu bottleneck situations but can cause improvements in certain situations. It might explain the differences, oh and I've managed to get resizeable bar partially functional on my R9 Fury, which only really helps in BF 2042 lol
That make more sense now. I thought I was going crazy thinking my i7 6700 was bottlenecking my R7 360. Is there any way to change the pre rendered frames back to 3? Thats kind of annoying
@@yeetus59 yeah there's a whole sub menu with a bunch of tweaks that you can turn on or off, hats off to you for gaming on a r7 360. if you can't find it comment again and I'll walk you throught it.
Yes, but you can set it the value, for example I'm ussing the las Nimez drivers, from this month, and I set it to 2 with the tweaks tool. But I have to say, as the video does, that the hard process to set it all up vs improvements does not worth it. Even if you don't fail doing it. Take a reference list of tweaks from someone, change all the values, etc. It's a really exhausting thing. If I have to update I dont think to use amermine drivers again. Not to speak about the bug recorded in the video with Forza, the black surface when MMA filter and reflexions conflics, something that AMD and Nimez has after 22.5.1 driver version (the last one where those things don't conflic)
@@livingthedream915 yeah, but you are paying a expensive graphic card to run the better effects... And the bug affects MMA, Oclussion or application of RT. But as I said, this problem is in the official drivers too since 22.11.1. Seems that amermine is updating drivers based in the last of AMD, so both have the same result. I'd hoped that the new direcx compatibility of amermine will fix it, but isn't. Something, as I said, with the long work required to tweak everything on the list, isn't worth it, at least if you have series 6xxx or upper, because your objetive is not improve a lot your performance in general, but correct mistakes and improve the performance with the last library effects. From someone who has changed from Nvidia, it a little bit shocking that our last functional update from amd was 8 months ago :S.
I would love to see your thoughts on the R5 4500. At £75 (£68 on ebay using code) new I think its actually not a bad entry level CPU that would run well with older GPU's while being on the AM4 platform. It seems like gaming performance is around a i3 10100 but multicore around a R5 3600.
Looks a bargain at that price, I run a 3600 (1600 before that) paired with a rx5700 (rx480 before that) and have no problem with most games at 1080/1440 60+ fps. From like 2 minutes of research I would be surprised if it performs as well in gaming as 3600 due to its reduced cache, think even the 1600 has more cache (or exactly the same), but for that price it would be difficult to refuse if you just wanted a new, mid cpu to get on AM4. Bit of a strange cpu really in terms of specs and price.
looking back at your first (publicly watchable, at least) iceberg gaming video, your content really has improved since then the editing quality is still similar, although i would say it is still quite a bit better now what has mainly changed is your script-reading abilities, you sound much less like a dead husk and more like somebody talking to a friend or family member of theirs and here i am shitting out random "gaming" videos like once a year cause im too lazy to put effort into things
I was talking to the screen and saying the latest legacy drivers for my HD7970s in Crossfire are a mess. And then here you are talking about it. The previous ones work. I'm not looking to play modern games, just older titles and games that appreciate crossfire and my old X79 system. Games that are 10 years old or so, play fine and still fun to play. Kind of a snapshot of that era. I keep certain systems like this every decade because not everything likes to be emulated. Cool look at these drivers, nice to see the community at work keeping the old stuff going! If we don't use them they just become memories and collect dust.
Halo, the original PC title had a similar issue with being graphic card specific. If you didnt have the specific card they wanted, the game could run at any FPS while the sprites/characters ran at a constant 10-15fps.
Nimez drivers are also really good for anyone with weird APU + dGPU laptop setups. My laptop has R7 (Bristol Ridge) iGPU + RX 560 and none of the official AMD drivers properly supported this setup. The only "Official" drivers that worked were the Dell ones from 2018 that crashed almost every game I actually wanted to play. The official AMD drivers either never actually put any load on my RX 560, or the performance was just straight up worse than if I disabled it and used the iGPU. Nimez gave me the option for MS Hybrid and Multi Adapter setups that allowed me to properly choose which GPU to use, and also allowed me to install split kernels so that my RX 560 could run on newer drivers than the iGPU, as before, Windows Update/Ofiicial Drivers would just either not install drivers for the RX 560, or install really old ones. My laptop was practically unusable for gaming before I tried Nimez drivers. Sure not many people will probably still be running AMD FX APU laptops with mismatched dGPUs from different generations, but for those that are, Nimez is literally the only reason they are still usable for anything but desktop use.
Both AMD and Nvidia wanted to kill those video cards by releasing drivers that degraded performance or didn't improve it at all. Personally, I use 2014 14.4 drivers on my glorious R9 290x tri-x 4Gb and all games run smoothly at 60fps. I don't have brand new games, but on metro exodus I get 60 fps with details just below the maximum available. on FC 5 and new dawn I always get stable 60fps but with settings on high. On NFS heat I get a fixed 60 fps with max details! 60 fps is enough for me, so I enable v-sync
Some of the best videos for GPUs I've ever watched shocked your not a bigger channel but reckon it's only a matter of time before your one of the biggest. Thank you for these videos
It was a pain to get working due to some error 1603 what ever that may be. But I got a HD7950 up n running for fh5. Pretty happy how it performs in games.
The HALO was pretty concerning to think that NimeZ can optimize the hardware was an astonishing accomplishment, that really got my respect More power to you NimeZ
I guess it's to be expected. We're talking about a GPU from 2015 and... well... there's only so much that a driver update can possibly do for an architecture that's since been moved on from.
I installed it on my HD6850 to manage to play space engineers, without it the game kept crashing, but doing that I get a really buggy discord screen sharing and I'm not confident in playing valorant with it because of the anti-cheat
i wanted to run davinci resolve and some other video editing apps. My laptop had a very weak and old amd gpu that couldnt run the new APIs. After nimez modded drivers it was possible to make these apps lunching/running without errors/crashes. IMO even if you dont see the improvements , you should install them!
Is there a chance you could test an OpenGL game to see if nimeZ drivers backport the OpenGL fixes from the newest versions of the official drivers? Great video, really nice to see somebody actually testing these drivers!
@@lordmoose213 agreed, it's a shame, I've spoken with the driver dev at length and he said it was a crashfest on older GCN. On the bright side the linux driver support is still current and opengl support is absolutely flawless there.
The GTA V footage also looks noticeably softer, especially on the hill @8:22. It looks to me like Nimez has forced FXAA maybe? It does look like there is less detail if you pause and look at the radio antenna, several prongs are missing on the Nimez drivers that are visible in the legacy drivers so maybe it's actually using a lower internal resolution? Maybe it's both. I think it's definitely worth another look and trying to figure out what's going on in Cyberpunk/GTA and maybe another pass through the footage to see what other games have this effect
Another amazing video! Nvidia Drivers are problematic, currently on the RTX 4090 and wont update the newest drivers because it seems to make older games like Destiny 2 stutter, runescape even gains issues on newer drivers as well which is rare! R9 290x i had that! before was the fireeeery GTX 480
What have been a big problem for me was the vram use (especially in Playstation ports). I notice that the nimez had a lower vram usage, I gonna try this drivers in my RX 580 4gb
It would be interesting to redo these tests with official and modified drivers now that AMD has stopped supporting the RX 4xx and RX 5xx. Could you do these tests?
you don't need them ... until you NEED them. 100 % Only downside I found to the Nimez drivers when I used them under a year ago on my r9 390x was that Destiny 2 refused to run, because the anti-cheat software was bugging out. That was my literal only issue.
Hi, I'm having problems with 22.6.1 driver in windows 10 22h2 with a r9 290x, it makes windows crash. I installed them from AMD page. Could someone please help me with this?
im glad these drivers exist. if one day i come across a game that runs like crap on my 470 i can download nimez drivers to see if the game will run any better. i can't just buy a new card so im grateful these exist.
actually even on newer rdna2 card, nimez driver give extra overclocking headroom since many things can be configured when installing this driver. with official AMD driver i can't really set voltage bellow 1100mV, everything bellow 1120V is very unstable, meanwhile on nimez my 6700xt can run 1090mV undervolted with no single crash so far.
10:09? Rly? You need to active above 4g decode in bios and disabled CMS in order to make it work, im using SAM right now with rx 580 which is officially unsupported.
great video like always - just 1 thing i don't get Going for "4 memory banks" motherboard if you want to fill them.. does not really brings any benefits on the CPU you are using :/
The 8GB sticks I have been using up til now are single rank sticks, and Ryzen has shown to perform better with dual rank memory rather than single rank. I could have simply switched the RAM for dual rank sticks, but that was proving to be something of a wild goose chase so I decided to get two more sticks instead.
I am thinking of the MPGPC as my next build, looking at the Tomahawk B550, RX5600XT and 16GB to start... How long past 2023 do think the 5600x will last as "no slouch"? The price is close to the 5700x or should I pull the trigger on the 5800x?
The Tomahawk's a great choice, I should probably have stuck to MSI instead of switching to Gigabyte! I don't think the 5700X is worth the upgrade for games. I haven't done a full benchmark test yet, but I've been using the 5700X on my main PC for a couple of weeks and I can barely tell the difference! The 5800X3D is the only real significant AM4 upgrade from the 5600X IMO, at least for gaming.
i have a 5700 xt, and sometimes with new AMD official drivers I lose almost half my fps in some iterations of their drivers in games like Black desert Online. I went from 60 fps to over 100+ when switching to NimeZ Drivers, It seems to go back and forth for me with each driver update. I DDU all my drivers before installing new ones.
CSM should be disabled, above 4g enable and resizable bar enabled for SAM so yeah for 4GB cards you could test your luck on REBAR with ASIC since its the true rebar, while rebar only isnt the true rebar tho there is still perf increase.
Updates aren't automatic, so you need to keep an eye on development and redownload new drivers as they are launched. That's about the only QOL change I can think of. I can't think of a driver-related problem in the last 12 months I've been using them.
hi, would you like to share cpu settings you set in bios? i have exactly the same mobo and cpu combo, and i struggle to undervolt my cpu. IMO 1.4v is too much and i dont want my pc to be slowly degrading. Did you enable pbo, or did you increase multiplier? I ask because while you were in bios it showed 4.65ghz@1.3v, while mine says 3.7@1v, and it boosts higher only in windows for me (using pbo). Thanks!
It's a manual OC. I moved the 5600X from my editing rig, where I used to use it with the PBO/undervolt trick (see Optimum Tech for info on how to do that), but for benchmarking purposes I prefer consistency over efficiency! Settings are simply PBO off, multiplier to 46.5 (my chip really, REALLY can't do 47 at a voltage I'm comfortable with) and voltage to 1.3v.
@@IcebergTech thanks for reply, my cpu really doesnt like curve optimizer, and at merely -10 it still crashes. Going even lower doesnt yield much of an voltage drop. I'll still check Optimum's video tho, maybe i missed something. I love your channell btw ❤
Well now it all makes sense, i have a 7730M on my laptop which is gcn 1 and the laptop would crash mid game or during booting all the time, until i got stuck in a boot loop. Had to downgrade to a driver from 2015 and then i didnt see any BSODs anymore.
Halo MCC wont run on my 390 without the nimez drivers about once a month windows updates seems to screw with my installed driver, and I need to reinstall the drivers and fan control software. I wonder if you consider optimizing the fan curve the legacy drivers lockout stock fan control on my sapphire card but Nimez allows me to control them same as any other system fan. I notice better temps with the nimez drivers and a cinematic framerate with cyberpunk as apposed to the hairdryer like slideshow it is with the legacy drivers. I know I probably need to ddu the legacy drivers but honestly I keep telling myself I'm going to buy a newer gpu every month and just quick reinstall the drivers as a quick fix to get back in the game
A game that absolutely needs them is destiny 2 and halo infinite. Destiny 2 it fails to use multithreading on CPUs when using legacy drivers so updating to up to date ones will fix that. I know destiny 2 isn't a benchmark game but it is one of the most popular steam games still to this day.
Side question: I got Uncharted with my R5 5600X as well and it does not want to run properly for me (kept crashing on the prologue boat scene). Did you have to do any troubleshooting or did it just run for you? I'm even on the same motherboard as you but using an RX6700XT. I've had it running by editing some Windows Registry files or something but now it crashed on me again. It's so dumb that AMD includes this game as a freebee and yet it doesn't run on an all AMD system lol.
Also, love the channel it is really cool seeing how older hardware holds up to modern gaming. And at 6:23 was it possible that RSR had been turned on somehow in the driver software? Not sure what the NimeZ UI looks like but in Radeon you can toggle RSR on a per game basis regardless of FSR support in game.
Not really. Navi gets most of the improvements of the new drivers. The only thing nimez can offer is the 22.12.1, 2 and the newest january driver which have only been pushed out for 7000 series cards, while all other GPU's are stuck on the november 22.11.2 driver. AMD crunched and worked over the holidays becasue RDNA3 drivers were trasha and the card underpeformed compared to in their labs, so i doubt those newer drivers give much improvement to previous gen cards
Well these drivers allow me to bypass the system requirements check on Starfield atm even on an old R7 550 card which runs at around 30 FPS on 1080p with FSR2 80% which is pretty decent for this card and more importantly on my R9 290 it runs at around 70 FPS on 1080p medium with FSR and some solid 60 FPS in native 1080p which is actually performing way better than some mid and even high end cards or this generation on this game which is very impressive indeed for a 10 year old card. I would argue this is still the best card AMD ever made, and these drivers only made it even better
To bad noone seems to care about the HD 5000 series. I know there's not much to do for them, in general, but I'd love to se an update to the OpenGL driver for those old card. I don't expect the same massive boost as the more modern cards got when OpenGL got updated last year but I'm sure it would mean some improvements. That would mean that my old 5870 could live on a bit longer in the one game I still use it for.
