@@championastartes It is reasonable to be cautious or standoffish when uncertain about an unknown but hate should be earned from something more than ignorance. The issue is for all of humanities strengths we have a lot of ignorance leading to a lot of hate.
I would never hate someone for being different like this; only those who tend to be mean to those that they refer to as "monsters" even when they are not
I loved the walk towards Gloreth's statue that Nimona did. At first you hear her screams of pain as roars of anger from a mindless monster but as she continues walking you start to hear the human in her come out, the thousand years of pain and loneliness but the only people who truly hear it are Balister and us the viewers.
isn't it funny when something has an anti-authoritarian message the first thing a lot of people do is immediately try to argue the protagonists are too good?
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Valerin, I think, was clearly losing her mind throughout the film. This "dream" of hers, talking about a "crack in the wall" that just kept getting bigger and bigger. I mean she did the unthinkable and killed the Queen, whilst framing an innocent man whom that Queen had supported despite how he was of poor upbringing. Honestly, all things considered, you'd think such an institute would gladly accept students despite any and all backgrounds. I mean, the noblemen would get first pick of the positions obviously. But the more the merrier in terms of amassing an army. They can't all be noble-blood.
I think that's the main part of the film that I love, they omit that gloreth was a commoner, we get shown that the director has more belief in her nonsensical dreams than any actual fact and she just keeps loosing grip. It's how most people in power go. Whether they stated good or not, if you don't look at things how they are NOW then nothing serves any purpose other than you fulfilling some made up personal fantasy of "killing the monsters"
I love this movie. She went through centuries of loneliness and had so much love and affection to give, but only to be viewed as a monster that everyone wants to run a sword through her heart that she turned into a monster that only wanted to end herself and her suffering. She was ready to make herself fall into the tip of the statues blade to kill herself. Giving them what they wanted. She didn't even attack anyone, just walked and smashed things that kept calling her a monster.
So she turned into a phoenix, died, and came back just like a phoenix should? Her shapeshifting reminds me of a character from the Xanth novels I read as a kid. Prince Dolph. He was a shapeshifter that gains the actual magical abilities of anthing he turns into, even if that thing doesn't exist in his world. Aside from the color, her shifting seems exactly the same. Wonder if the writer liked Piers Anthony and thought no one remembered Prince Dolph...
@@helpfulDeathgod Xanth is a series I'll always remember. When Geas of the Gargoyle came out I got a signed copy and learned that Piers Anthony lived two streets away from me in Florida.
How is it that the Xanth fandom randomly resurfaces with every clip of this movie?? And at least she resembles Dolph and not the poor kid who crushed on Milly the Ghost and could talk to the inanimate 😂
@@luminariel3765 Dor. Never understood why his was considered Magician Caliber, to be honest. My favorite Magician Calibers were a toss up between Bink (can't be harmed in any way by magic in a magical world) and Grey (nullification of any aspect including magic through disbelief and enhancement through rebound). I like Grey's a bit more. Murphey's was hilariously on the nose, though. Edit: And as for color? That's her choice. she transformed into the princess/queen in one scene with no pink at all. So she CAN change colors. But she chooses pink.
You know the director said ever since she was a girl she had feared cracks within the wall of her precious city and yet everything she did only lead to those cracks being formed, to quote a wise old turtle, One often meets his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it.
@@SCR33NH3AD Not to play the Devil's advocate but part of the fear of monsters is born from the fear of the unknown but probably that if Nimona who is not a monster but can shapeshift into one, there must have been someone like her who actually did damage too, and was actually evil once. There are tons of tales about monsters who use their charm to lure, trick or kidnap humans to do who knows what. I'm not saying that Nimona did anything wrong here, since we're seeing things from her point of view, but the knowledge the citizens has been fed with makes them fearful. Of course the Director, being the manipulator she was, was at fault (I like to imagine that in her afterlife, she'll be killed time and time again by the queen in the same knight vs monster position)
I give them props i thought nimona was going to destroy the castle but the fact she was only looking for dead and Also she kept all her injuries when going back to her human forn
It may be just me but the Director attempting to wipe out half of the kingdom just to kill someone reminds me a lot to what Craft did near the end of Mega Man Zero 4 (except he actually did decimate the center of Neo Arcadia and failed to kill the villain)
I think that after this the institution was shut down, the Knights played more of a threat and probably killed way more people than Nimona ever could bring herself too
Upon a second viewing all becomes clear. This scene when she first meets Balister is basically re-enacted in the last scene in the movie, complete with the "Hey, Boss!" and we now understand what Balister sees at the end.
I still absolutely love this film, especially when you analyze the small things of the film and you realize the intentions of the writers. For example: the director being prepared to kill half the kingdom just to kill something that has already shown itself to not be a threat just because it goes against the traditional way of life she was taught as a child. Sound familiar?
No, not even remotely. because there's nobody here willing to destroy a city for their beliefs,, HOWEVER, there are people right now willing to murder their political rivals, willing to use the FBI and DOJ to silence their political rivals, willing to rob, lie, cheat, and steal from their constituents to launder money to a war we shouldn't be involved in, or mutilate children who think they're another gender when they're not even old enough to vote, drive, smoke, drink, get a tattoo, live on their own or hold down a job. Who's plans and policies have pushed the country and most of the world into a fucking depression that "isn't happening" despite every economist from one side of the world to the other saying,, "yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus". Oh wait,, there are people here willing to destroy cities for their beliefs,,, they have acronyms like BLM and Antifa who oddly enough seem to keep getting away with literal murder in some cases while just being outspoken against mutilating a child's genitals gets you kicked out of press conferences and if you're a parent, you get labeled a domestic terrorist. Yes Virginia,, there is a Santa Claus. I keep using that little term because it's really the only thing you're going to understand. The rest, nah, you're to brainwashed by the media and all you see is orange man bad.
@@soldslayer6658 trans people. Every law that has been made against trans people in and out of the US has negatively impacted the rest of the population of the area it has been implemented.
@@soldslayer6658 a kids movie where the writer literally said that nimona is genderfluid, that nimona represents trans people and in a film that show the trans flag at least twice.
"eAH, THATS THE OTTER THAT BIT ME-!" "Oh yeah, i can see your confusion. It has a tail of a river, but the wet back feet- eAAH!" I dunno why nut that just made me snort so loudly, and now im crying-
The only thing that disappointed me about this movie is the lack of development in Nimona's origins. What's her true form? Is she the only one of her kind, if yes, what happened to the others? To her parents, if they ever existed ? Why is she the only * monster * mentioned? In the time of Gloreth, when she created the elite of knights, what kind of monsters were there, or was it just shapeshifters like Nimona? Did they ever slain other monsters, or they just created an elite force for nothing since Nimona was the only one of her kind...? So basically creating an army of knights and a wall out of pure fear... Maybe it's just me 🤔🤣 but I loved the movie, it's morals, jokes and animation 🤩
@@JedioftheRose it would be a human being... Just like my question. Is her original form a human one? Or a mystical creature, like the Pheonix we saw maybe or the black smoke beast she turned into? Or maybe even an animal? That's what I meant... Not a hard question.... 🤷🏻♀️ That's why I wished we had more backstory, that's my only critique. More backstory because of how great and interesting the lore of Nimona is :)
Yes, I've enjoyed re-watching this several (12, 13?) times already and some things seem clear concerning the story and background. While her origins are unexplained in this movie, I think we can be confident that any sequel should touch on this information as we do want to know. Her first human friend was 'Gloreth' herself, and since the child version of Gloreth was directed by adults to treat her like a monster and she then created the knights institute, the whole society closed up behind the walls for a 1,000 years and 'thought' there were more monsters out there when likely there was nothing but Nimona (who probably spent a lot of time INSIDE the walls anyway). So, we can only speculate as to Nimona's origins, but maybe in the next one, we learn there's more to this that we don't know about. I hope so.
I love this movie, but I wished they went deeper into why the queen didn't have Nimona's back when they were kids. In my eyes, I thought they were gonna build up a emotional scene to where it was just Nimona and Valerin. Not a straight up kill scene lol. Overall I still like it
You answer your own question. The queen was a **kid**, that's why, that's the only reason. She saw the bigotry and hatred of the adults in her life directed towards Nimona and thought that must be the right way to react. It's an allegory for how children aren't born as racists, homophobes, transphobes, etc., but they become that because they see the adults acting that way.
@@NathanielTavington I get that, but the way they were building it up like the scene where the queen was researching her or shocked that she was still alive. It was almost as if the queen wanted to reconcile or wanted to have the last talk before killing her
You are mistaking three different characters. (In part probably because this channel is confusing characters.) Nimona's childhood friend was Gloreth. By the point the film and Ballister's story take place, Gloreth is long dead. Ambrosius is said to be her descendant. The queen is killed at the beginning. Which means for most of the film she's also dead. The antagonist of the film is the Director of the Institute.
@@beth12svist OH thank you. Yeah I am mistaking the Director for Gloreth. That makes more sense. I completely forgot about Nimona's immortality when I first watched the movie 😅. Still I wished that more dialouge together like some passive agressive trash talk lol
We allow fear and prejudice cloud our judgement and decisions. But putting in the work makes it better. To quote Kirt Wagner aka Nightcrawler. “Back in the Munich, circus, when people saw me with fear. I do not hate them, I pity them. Because most people will never see beyond with their own eyes”.
You need a better title for this posting. First of all, Queen Valerin was already dead because of the Director and Nimona has nothing to do with this!!!
Well he was an arrogant asshole. That does not mean he was evil. I mean u cant kill everyone who is a jerk, then there would be no redemption arks in stories.
This has so many levels in it. First is like star treck first contact thing. She showed herself to a pre-civilization and literally caused a millenia of cultural disortion even after likelly never touched it again durring that time. Thats why first contact is really risky. The other is obvious a jesus like thing, a random stuff became a religion. like the bible and someone started to took it seriously and stuff. acceptance of genders and sexuality is there. Nimona could very well be a defunct caretaker from a race that modifide itself to be immortal and the ability to blend in to any ecosystem's life. Defunct because her behaviour probably not ment to be, especially the lonelliness. She could also be smiply a tool with the same agenda and the same defect. The story suggest she literally lived trough the entire evolution cycle from multi cell organisms onwards, so she very likelly be a billion of years old not just at least 1000, which would be metal since even Kang from Loki was like 100.000.000 only. 10 times younger.
Some things I don't understand is why Galorath treated Nimona the way she did instead of fight for her. She almost immediately shunned her out despite knowing Nimona meant no harm what so ever to the people. And why was Galorath was practically glorified for just picking up a swlrd being only what 10 years old? What else happened tbat wasnt shown in the movie that is important to the story. Why didn't they expand past the wall? How do they have vast knowledge of different animals because of this? Why was the president or whatever so convinced there was a monster in the walls deapite there being no evidence other than a dream? Why do they only have noble borns as knights even though they know Galorath was a commoner? If Galorath was so glorified why wasn't her bloodline kings and queens of the village/city but knights instead? Are there others like Nimona and if so where are they and if not, why not? Why is the statie of Galorath an adult even though they know she was a child at the original time? How did they advance so fast in 1,000 years technology wise?
Nimona is much older than her. She’s a shapeshifter so can be any form she chooses, including that of a little girl. Her little girl form is probably closer to her true form as in many ways she’s as innocent as a little child and just wants to be loved. As for the almost immediately shunning bit despite knowing better…all you need do is look at the present day. Look large portions of various religions to see how people could be indoctrinated to hate and fear things despite having experienced evidence to the contrary. Look at how some people take that hatred to extremes by legislating against people’s very existence or even directly violently who then get those indoctrinated people to enthusiastically support it (see what’s being done against LGBTQIA+ [particularly trans people], BIPOC, Jewish [antisemetism], the list goes on). Why didn’t they expand? When you think about it, keep ‘em in the dark, keep ‘em fearful and hateful and they are easier to control. Why was she so convinced there was a monster in the walls? Well she was right, it’s just that the monster was Galorath, not Nimona.
Yes Nimona lived at the end of the movie and the Director wanted to kill Nimona because she viewed Nimona as a threat who would destroy the kingdom if she was allowed to live.
I hate the fact that people just caring more about Ball being gay than actually "seeing" Nimona in the movie Like, we see what she's been through to the point of her almost killing herself, we see how she's saving everyone by sacrificing herself, and what do the people are talking about ? Ohhh yeah, that's the movie about some gay knights 👁️👄👁️ Excuse Fucking Me ?
movies about gay knights are less common than misunderstood antiheroes, but if you want to hate on people for what they find interesting in a film i guess it's a free country.
