I've re-read the book a few times now, re-reading rn and just at the point Winston buys the paperweight after leaving the prole pub. Idk why people wouldn't read it it's not too hard and isn't that long
@@maxsch8454 lol. BTW I always thought Parsons being arrested for saying, "Down with Big Brother!" in his sleep was a mistake by Orwell. Isn't Parsons supposed to represent the kind of imbecile who swallows all the Party's propaganda whole and is totally loyal to the regime?
@jvcyt298 It says so much about these comments that this even needs to be stated. These idiots think "I've been told to hate commies so that means hitler was good"
You can kind of interpret the book as making the case for horseshoe theory in that all 3 of the main powers are said to have ideologies that are basically the same, although no doubt having entirely different origins
I worked for a US Government agency for many years- the Social Security Administration. The scenes of Winston at work in his cubicle could have been filmed in my office...
I am a retired Federal employee and the cubicle scene was what is was like when I worked at the National Archives and later in the technical services at the Pentagon Library.
In opposite belief, taxes continue to roll in, furthering the oppression gap between peons and elites. The world has more in common with "All is Lost".
It's important because countries like Russia embody this story it's who they long to be and who they've always been and it's ironic that this book is bad in Russia and Belarus the last of the dictatorships.
If you read "We" by the Russian writer Yevgeny Zamyatin, you will see unmistakable parallels between it and "1984." In fact, We was written nearly 30 years before Orwell's book, and it seems impossible to me that Orwell didn't know about Zamyatin's novel, such are the similarities.
@@satireofcircumstance6458 😂 dude you're the one is obviously propagandized I live in the United States dude I can walk out of my door and do whatever the hell I want to do read what I want to read look up what I want to look up on the internet I can say what I want to say without fear of going to prison for fifteen years are getting sent off to the front, try to compare a country like Russia who's since its inception as it's been either an authoritarian autocracy or a oppressive Communist dictatorship with leaders like Lenin and Stalin who murdered tens of millions of their own people with a country like the United States we're nothing like that has ever happened it is history is laughable and preposterous. And yes Putin has brought Russia back to a bonafide full-fledged authoritarian autocratic dictatorship, state-run TV state-run media in radio, no freedom of speech no freedom of movement no freedom of assembly, books in literature banned, internet highly censored, but I can go on and on so no more on there is nothing even similar or remotely similar about the two countries so just go back to the troll farm Ivan get your 15 rubles for the day nobody's listening to your BULLSHIT here.
"April 4th, 1984 .. To the Past, or To the Future, to an Age when Thought is Free, from the Age of Big Brother, from the Age of the Thought Police, from a Dead Man ... Greetings ..." That's as perfect an opening line of a movie as you'll ever find. John Hurt was born for the role of Winston Smith.
I don't know whether it's _the best_ but it's certainly right near the top. It did absolutely capture the book though. A lightning in a bottle piece of art!
"You know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked in the head by an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does, it never happens. Sorry, Ted, it's a dumb question. Skip that." -- "Airplane", 1980
"Who controls the past controls the future." - George Orwell "Who controls the present controls the past" - George Orwell "Who controls the Atom can silent the brainwash masses in the blink of an eye as well as rebuild a better world from their ashes." - A survivor of the old mad world.
@@harryflashman9495 does that matter? what matters is that in this 'free' country a man was arrested for nothing more than simply doing a completely natural function.
I feel like people don't think this could happen because they picture it happening quickly, I mean for sure if somebody tried to bring us down like this we would fight back. Not realizing that little by little, piece by piece it can happen as a slow build up.
In the UK, it started insidiously from 2000. 23 years later and after the deliberate policy of indoctrinating a whole generation, the dystopian future is here, only to get worse.
If a world like 1984 ever comes about, it will not be through sudden revolution, but through gradual devolution. The destruction of our rights and liberties won't come at the barrel of a gun. It will come at the apathetic shrugging of the shoulder to each incremental erosion to our rights.
Yep, such is the point of right wing ideology, it slowly legitimized delusional nonsense like conservatism, and pretty soon we got worse and worse ideologies with increasingly evil and desperate attempts to conserve their supremacist doctrine.
some will watch it and not understand it, the few that do will realize their own government is very much guilty of this albeit a lot more discreit, and decentralized from the federal government itself given the nature of the economic and legal system that it protects and enforces. Sure it has state media sources like Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe, etc. but not a lot of viewers, so why not have private media companies owned by the people that donate to congress, and are more popularly known to the public recite what their propaganda sources give them for foreign policy, or what people secretly tied to the government through "non-governmental" organizations like the National Endowment for Democracy, a CIA linked organization, that heavily rely on the government's secret support and funding tell the media what to say. Why send in federal agents on a raid against a political activist when local police will do the dirty work and people can focus on the local pd and officers involved instead of the whole government. Why have a single ruling party when both can work together when it comes to robbing the poor of the nation of their lives, and their money, to increase spending on the security state and giving more cash to mega companies that bribe them both while they use political theater to attack the poor, the minority, the immigrant, the women, the lgbtq+ as inferiors to hate or to pretend to support them without delivering them much in terms of policy, while those wanting to actually address serious economic and political issues are stunlocked into having to take up more battles for democratic rights it takes the heat off the government as a whole as it does a terrific job at preventing people from getting the full picture because they're blinded by the fake, social policy, political tribalism in Washington shown on tv, focus solely on individual government or private organizations or officials rather than the whole government or what part of government the private orgs are indirectly attached to
When this book was written, when this film was made, screens were not telescreens and did not transmit anything about you to anyone else. Now, everyone's screen is a telescreen.
I just let my smartphone breakdown overtime, and my last adhoc repair didn't work, so its fucking dead. Felt fucking great, like the classroom know-it-all and snitch was out-sick. The only bad feeling was knowing I had to get another one, but...Even if it fucks me in terms of employment, I won't get another one, maybe a flip phone with a replaceable battery and no GPS. Part of the con is thats technically an option, so fuck it, lets see if I can make it 6 months without this shit.
I have several times read this book . I have several times listened to this book. I have several times taught this book. It is a simply brilliant book. It is only such books that actually keep the portions of Liberty we enjoy actual.
@@alancristhian7532 It’s a warning against dictatorship,and a interesting note Orwell was a supporter of socialism when he was a young man,what made a commie start to hate it,have you ever wondered?
Its an example of the dangers of any society that will use its people as weapons against each other. Overshadowing any wrongdoings of government, keeping people busy with creating propaganda and controlling each others thougts. To some extent all societys have parts of the society in the book, control of what is correct to say in public and what is accepted, people in the west are very keen on screaming on each other when they think they hear something they dont like instead of actually listening to why or what the person meant or wanted to say. Even in schools this behavoiur by teachers is silently promoted.
"The Power Elite does not want a conscientious and informed public, capable of critical thinking. They bring you 1984. The people will eventually demand Censorship and Authoritarianism for their Society." - Peter Joseph (Zeitgeist, 2007.)
The irony is is that Orwell's room 101 was an actual room at BBC's Radio Broadcasting House in London, where he worked for the corporation during the war.
@Just Me i dont gave a single f... Your gasoline car is dependent on government approval and controlled fuel that you have no way of making, with the same gps, radio and electronic system. I drive electric and i dont act like a crybaby when the governments fuck up gas prices with a backup old diesel truck with no electronics and its batteries removed in the barn just for safety. When i buy something i dont want anyone to know, i use crypto, the insane thought that paper money worth anything when shtf is funny, so does idiots having their fingerprints and buying stuff in person with all the cameras around is even more insane. So called conservatives complaining about losing the freedom they never choose to have is funny, sad and disappointing. You are brainwashed by all the same slightly different interest group, licking the elites boots thinking of yourself as some kind of revolutionary.
@@dutchman8129 your present-day world if you live in Russia or Belarus or maybe North Korea ironically this book is banned in all of those counties, the last of the dictatorships.
I read the book in high school in the mid-60s and a couple times since. Before reading the book I happened on the inferior 1956 film adaptation and didn't have a clue what it was about. I was quite happy to see this version come out in--wait for it--1984. 😀
I read 1984 when I was 15, the following year I watched the version with Edmund O'Brian as Winston Smith in my high school English class. This version is much better, Doubleplusgood.
Perfect choice of protagonists in this very faithfull to the book, movie. These were the faces i imagined while reading the book, several years before the movie.
This should be shown a whoooooole lot more. It's pretty easy to be sucked into a political cult. It's faithful to Orwell's work and the thrust of his work. The emotions on the faces tell the story.
clearly this ISNT "literally" (go look up what "literally" actually means...) and it's not even close. If it was, you wouldn't be posting here for a start. If you're living in any Western country and actually believe that the setting of Orwell's book (and this film) is your country now then frankly you need either a wak-up call or to actually read the book. No society on Earth at the present replicates the society and setting of "1984"; not even places like North Korea. If you're living in a Wrstern democracy and you think you're being "oppressed", get over yourself already - you're not, in ANY WAY "oppressed" and frankly to suggets that is insutling to pople who do actually live in a country with a repressive government. (The 126 people who gave you a like should be ashamed...)
This is the most impactfull story ever made. When i first read the book and saw the movie ive had many Dreams about this. This story really makes you think about our values in the west and how to protect them. I really hope we never let it get this far, because i would rather die instead of living in a worlds like this
Charles Dickens too orphanages and workhouses and debaters prisons of horror were not fictional either they were historically accurate. Truth is worse than fiction even.
At 1:53 there is an image of a dead woman in the video. Next a women’s scream can be heard in the background as the ugly face of an Eurasian soldier leers over the viewers. The scene suggests that the Eurasian soldiers are engaged in sexual violence in the areas they are fighting in. The next shot pans onto the faces of the terrified women watching those battles scenes and imaging what’s happening to those poor women on the frontlines. The filmmaker has brilliantly crafted this scene to show us how propaganda has effectively been used as a weapon against Oceania’s own citizens. The implied violence is more terrifying to the viewer than actual evidence, which may not even exist. This film has a masterly all on another level, especially in its attention to the last detail.
After decades of misandry it's hard to empathize with women's perception of struggle. They are having sexual relations and even families with the men conquering them, while the men are tortured and slaughtered. It baffles me that g*rape is the pinnacle of evil in people's minds. There's a lot worse going on in the world.
😆... nothing like this has happened in the modern Era. I was also a teenager in the 80's. Authoritarian regimes and their threat to Western Democracies were real. Now, it's the complete opposite. Paranoid masses treating the novel like it's the Bible..
@@mlizarburu Surveillance state used by both democracies and dictatorships, our data being harvested and manipulated, media manipulation, and more. You couldn't be more wrong.
Fool it's gotten worse unimaginably worse or have you forgotten we have always been at war with the Russian Federation and their Eastern Asian allies we have always been at war with East Asia
@@SilverSpoon_ I think it goes back further, like when they realized they could use TV to brainwash the masses, which has only been ramped up as time has gone on. The internet wild west days were great, but now it's all got heavily policed and thought crimes are a very real thing. Then CCTV and facial recognition made everything really dystopian.
Like many, when I read the book I imagined and hoped I'd be like Winston. But if not another irrelevant Prole, at best I'd be like O'Brien. "They got to me a long time ago Winston." Absolutely destroyed and rebuilt in the image of the party. A clockwork orange by any other name.
After Covid, most notably the human reaction to it, I have basically concluded that 1984 is the normal state of humanity, and this brief glimpse of liberty is a fleeting aberration.
I and to read this book in 1982 it was one of the lesson in life to never fall in one way to think and see things as as there are; all grey. thank you george.
Clearly NOT "literally" (go look up what that means) and not evne close. if you think that, either actually go read the book or wake up. If it was "literally" you wouldn't be posting on the internet, commentating about it...
@@geronimozarza8495 can you cite the reference, please? BB, as far as I recall, was described as a handsome, moustached man of 35. I'd never call Stalin handsome, lol. Goldstein, I can't recall what he looked like.
We can only hope that England will one day be as pleasant to live in as this, with such happy, well adjusted and healthy people in a similarly clean environment, with such well-maintained public services and a morally admirable government. 👍🏻😊🇬🇧
A terrible irony of our time. The accusation of 'Orwellian' is frequently flung with vehemence by those who would themselves use manipulation of culture, media and history to tyrannically impose their private will upon others. '1984' is a critically important book for our time, but tragically misunderstood. Over and over again I hear the word 'Orwellian' to describe vociferous debates over words and terms in public culture, or a form of outrageously blatant and shameless public lying for political ends. These are loosely tied to particular literary devices used in the book, but they don't relate to the core theme: controlling people by controlling their entire perception of reality - manipulating their fear, pain and visceral human instincts through physical and emotional torture on a profound level, and editing all information that they receive to stop them assembling in their heads the critical toolkit to resist If you want to angrily object to a specific word, or can use your critical faculties to tell you are being lied to, you are not in an Orwellian reality. '1984' is not about controlling specific words or telling lies. It is about using human vulnerabilities and shaping information to cut people off from reality in a substantial way.
@@aaroncruz9181it is already happening. Look at the modern wars...Media is bot only contriling the narrative, it is clearly biased to favour certain countries (wink wink ukraine) and it is activelly changing how millions think every day. Isn't it ironic than in an age of information and unprecedented freedom, we only get the biased view of state controlled media ?
What you see portrayed in this film and book is only one form of ideology from socialits/communists. To control those by force. (Hitlers vision) Another factoon believes in control by infiltrating media, universities, enterts9nment etc. Which is what we see today. They control words and concepts and redefine them such as marriage, what is a woman, redefine standards in math so minorities do not fail, redefine recession/depression, redefine CDC guidelines and known proven science for decades to fit agendas to name a few. We are seeing it happen before our eyes. Kept constantly at war, our borders open. We must not kep out eyes wide shut. More deadly than warru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i4vTHwvioZ4.htmlsi=00b4rDrImhFMZdFa
Yes brother. The government has a our best interests in mind. They kept us safe from the enemy in the past, they will keep us safe from our new enemies. We must give them our full obedience and adoration
@@yaelz6043To be more specific, and to clarify what sleep deprived 11 Pm me said. I find it a funny coincidence that I watched this on the same date as shown in the journal.
What gets me every time is how the build up of the “2 minutes hate” there’s a calm as the INGSOC flag comes in and the music…that nostalgic Soviet hymn like music that washes over them into pure obedience always gives me chills
The OTT patriotic music was perfect here but the inclusion of the pop song was a moment of madness (and I like Eurythmics and the song). And to do it behind the director's back!
I wish there was a release of the film with Dominic Muldowney's full score. The Eurythmics songs are great on their own but they spoil the grim atmosphere of the film.
I think the Eurythmics music works perfectly. A classical score is sooo. expected and dull. The Eurthymics scores ads to the feeling of melancholia/despair/otherworldness (imo). Re, behind the director's back it's worth realising that the director of a movie doesn't have control over it (it's not "his" movie"). The producer(s) and the film compnay control what happensewith the movie; it's "their movie" not the director's.
I read this book the first time when I was a teenager in the mid 1960s and thought the story grossly exaggerated, that nobody could ever enforce such a society. When I was in my mid 20s visiting relatives in East Germany I was shocked to find just how similar the country was to Orwell's 1984. Later, after the Berlin Wall came down, many East Germans painfully found out that their spouses, some close relative or a good friend had been snitching on them to the Stasi for years. According to Stasi records the agency had at least 20 000 informal informers working for them and another 4000 trained agents on their payroll. That must have been like Orwell's 1984 on steroids.
This is what the West is now heading to, and people are actually voting for it in their ignorance. In New Zealand, run by the woke WEF-puppet Adern, the government recently set up a hotline for the public to report people expressing "dangerous views". It's frightening how apathetic people are in the face of such blatant abuses of power. "Those who control the past control the present". Hello cancel culture, and the blacklisting of anyone who doesn't conform to the new groupthink.
@@mikethespike7579 AH yes the liberal societies that over tax, kill farmers live stock, imprison parents, force vaccinations, fund terrorism, bomb children and families etc. All that is good in the world is dead and gone. You maybe unaware of it but this nightmare is what is coming to the west and is much already here. Generations upon generations allowing evil men to destroy the west its 100-200+ years too late.
@@Ay-xq7mj LOL! You sound like my granddad. He used to go on endlessly about how the country is going to the dogs, everything is getting worse by the day and nobody is doing anything about it. People in the pub, where he used to go, went out of their way to avoid him. He died a bitter man. It looks like you're going to end up like that too if you don't watch out.
We are not there yet, but with the liberal left occupying our government, we are well on our way towards it. That's why they are trying so desperately to indoctrinate our children and to eviscerate the Constitution. The only thing keeping us from 1984 is the 2A and people who are educated and aware enough to see what's really going on.
TBH, I too uncontrollably scream anytime I see a picture of Hillary Clinton, and immediately climax after seeing a picture of Jeb Bush. Society has done this to me.
Hey I know - I'll post a comment saying that my current country and its political party I most dislike are JUST like _1984_ ... what an original, devastatingly persuasive insight that surely was worth the time it took for me to type and post it and will result in many people changing their minds and ultimately defeating that party!
7:47 I love that little monitor in the hallway, sitting in the corner like some kind of mold or parasitic fungus. Really shows how the party has everything under its control, having monitors even in such a mundane, meaningless area as a random hallway where people just pass through the same way Winston did here
Ah, my old friend, the "20 Minutes Hate". They adapted this into the movie spot on. When I read 1984 it was a huge awakening for me. I've never trusted government since.
This means you did not understand the book. Most people don't understand it, especially paranoid people. 1984 is not about the west. Its about countries like North Korea, China or the Soviet Union. The west has a completely other method to oppress. The book that portraits our times in the west is "Brave New World" and not 1984. Brave New World was written in 1932 and it describes todays western society perfectly. 1984 describes an authocratic society in which obedience is guaranteed through terror, torture and, in the worst case, physical annihilation of the individual. Brave New World on the other hand describes a society where obedience is achieved through hedonism, escapism and relativism. In other words: the 1984 society imposes its values on everyone, the Brave New World society denies that real values exist at all.
You guys ever notice the older generation in the front isn't nearly as enthusiastic as the younger rows in the back. Also I swear I saw one of the older men trying to read Goldstein's lips and understand his speech.
It’s interesting to me that the narrator of the video doesn’t use any newspeak words. He actually speaks very eloquently and with a very nice accent. I wonder if that was deliberately done by the filmmaker? It could suggest that only the party has the right to use language in its entirety. I noticed that O’Brien also didn’t feel the need to use Newspeak when talking with Winston.
