No Input Mixer Tutorial | Sarah Belle Reid

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This video is an introduction to no input mixing and a basic patch tutorial. No input mixing is a technique pioneered by Toshimaru Nakamura, which involves creating chaotic sound on a mixer by self-patching to create feedback loops.
00:52 What is No Input Mixing?
03:12 How to Choose a Mixer
06:10 Patch Demo
10:52 Patch & Mixer Walk-Through
To download a sample pack of sounds created using this no input mixer patch, and/or to support the creation of more tutorial videos like this one, please visit:
www.patreon.com/sarahbellereid
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TOOLS:
18-inch 1/4" TRS Balanced Patch Cables:
amzn.to/393vBcs
18-inch 1/4" TS Patch Cables:
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Mackie 1202VLZ4 Mixer (new version of what I use in this video):
link.perfectcircuit.com/t/v1/...
Mackie 802VLZ4 Mixer (smaller option):
link.perfectcircuit.com/t/v1/...
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Sarah Belle Reid is a Canadian performer-composer, active in the fields of electroacoustic trumpet performance, modular synthesis, music technology, and improvisation.
www.sarahbellereid.com
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@sarahbellereid Год назад

Curious about modular synthesis, electronic music, and sound design, but unsure how to get started? I have something for you! Join my FREE "Intro to Synthesis" mini course here: www.soundandsynthesis.com/firstpatch2022 PS: You don't need any special gear to do this-just a computer with VCV Rack (which is free to download).

@marcus_fischer 3 года назад

I got to spend some time with the originator of 'No Input Mixing Board', Toshimaru Nakamura at a festival we both played a few years back. I was surprised that in 20+ years of performing and touring with the instrument he only recently was on his second Mackie. They are really built to last even when abused so heavily. His two performances for the festival were beautiful and subtle.

@tmw3489 10 месяцев назад

He isnt even in the first 1000 to do it tho?

@TockTockTock 3 года назад

Toshimaru Nakamura brought me here. Thank you so much for explaining this!

@garethjones7182 3 года назад

I went from here back to Toshimaru (we're in a loop)

@joowonmusic 3 года назад

Thank you for the best no-input mixer tutorial video. I will share it with my students

@sarahbellereid 3 года назад

My pleasure and thanks for sharing!

@Frownlandia Месяц назад

It's funny how calming and relaxed you are given the wild, chaotic, experimental sounds of the techniques you're using. Not the expected energy!

@kevinputry5655 Год назад

This is so cool! Never in a million years would I have guessed that you could do this with a mixer. This sounds like some trippy old school sci-fi movie sound effects.

@tehaoboon923 4 года назад

Hey Sarah, lovely tutorial! I also perform with no-input mixer. One little trick that I had been exploring lately is to only put in the patch cable in the input about halfway, it opens up to a whole lot of different sounds! Another thing I had been doing is using a cable connected from output to my palm, the amount of contact to my palm would change the sound.

@omarbrown2696 3 года назад

I would guess that the frequency response is different when using balance and unbalanced connection patching.

@BricksburghPA Месяц назад

I was just about to get rid of my Mackie CR1604 but this has given me a renewed appreciation!

@moosey62 5 месяцев назад

This is like discovering a beautiful uncrowded beach with clear blue water and one cool bar selling great beer very cheaply. Hmm.. I need to work on my similes. THANKS SARAH!

@6884 2 года назад

ha! this is beginner's stuff, I do No Output music instead. How does it sound? who knows :(

@fubokuen Месяц назад

I used to be a prolific Non-Producer, but then I became totally immersed in No Output Music and really could not be happier!

@Spacerboy 4 года назад

A truly fantastic intro into NIM.

@JeffSnyder1 4 года назад

excellent tutorial! Looking forward to sharing this with students.

@dendipeza Год назад

I had no idea this was a thing! I really want to try this out. Thanks for the great tutorial, I will definitely watch this video again when I get my hands on a mixer.

@elsantoproductora Год назад

I didn't know this existed. It's fascinating! Thanks for sharing

@HankDrew Год назад

Sara, I really enjoyed this. I'm going to Japan in a bit and discovered a No Input Mixer artist in Japan, now I need to fire up my cheap mixers.

@xdeadbeatboi6666x 11 месяцев назад

Perfect for noise music. Great vid👍

@eddyray666 3 года назад

I didn't even know this was a thing. Amazing! After some thought it makes perfect sense but that's insanely cool.

@HumbleInitiative Год назад

Funky sounds! I never would have thought this was possible. As a guitarist I only ever used a sound mixer to control volume and prevent noise, so this technique seems straight out of bizarro-land…but you make it seem fun. ❤ 🇨🇦❤️

@carlhudson83 2 года назад

This is an excellent demonstration! Thanks!

@jessetaldotcom 3 года назад

This is the best tutorial that I have ever seen on this subject. Thank you.

@sarahbellereid 3 года назад

You’re welcome! Thanks for watching.

@loomisrecords9559 2 года назад

Thank you so much for this, I've been meaning to find out more about this approach for some time.

@AndreijRublev 4 года назад

Another no input explorer here. Easy and informative video. Thank you!

@makingsalt9458 2 года назад

Thank you so much for this tutorial! I cannot believe I waited all these years to try this practice! I cannot believe how little one has to do with the mixer to generate such astonishing sounds -- where the hell are they really coming from?

@gato_electronico 3 года назад

No Input Mixing is amazing. I just started making videos of my own stuff. I have a small Phonic mixer, and the sounds generated by the mixer feedback are superb.

@audioproductiontutor3106 4 года назад

Yes mate!! Awesome video! I've had great success using pedals as VCAs also.

@hyperactivists9390 Год назад

i never knew this existed till a few days ago! now im watching a bunch of stuff on the topic thanks so much

@GregDixson 2 года назад

Thanks for the explanation. Unbelievably I had this mixer or very similar years ago and never occurred to me to route it into itself. Think I'll pick up another one just for this purpose. Thanks 👍🏻

@CatFish107 3 года назад

Wow, what a wild idea! I'm incredibly new to making music, and this concept gives me all kinds of ideas, and makes me very excited to get started experimenting. Thank you for sharing with us!

@CatFish107 3 года назад

Also, here's a double tap self reply for the algo-engage-metric gods. This just made me realise I can make a chaos engine instrument with gear I already had. What a wonderful discovery!

@TijsHam 4 года назад

Awesome video! Great to see such an in depth tutorial on this subject and to hear all of the really beautiful sounds :)

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

thank you so much :)

@shykall 3 года назад

Thank you very much. You've just opened a new world of possibilities to me. It reminds me of a one time experiment I made by mistake, with a friend, with an fm radio plugged in a feedback way , that made the antenna work like a theramin. Thank you for this fascinating lesson in "no input mixing". A modular analog synth for free ... Great !

@sarahbellereid 3 года назад

You're welcome!

@SpriteGuard 2 года назад

Ok I know this is gonna sound like a bit, but I swear to god this is the honest truth: NIMB was one of my most cherished albums when I was a teenager. I remember dreaming of having my own set-up one day. A moment of nostalgia came up on me today and I wondered if anyone was doing something like this. Thanks for making such a good intro video, this is really helpful.

@zenarobinson3851 4 года назад

TY! very informative, exciting & unlike other videos i've watched, very clear! :-)

@bobtheman1 19 дней назад

Hi Sarah, this was a very well-explained and demonstrated video. Thank you!

@sarahbellereid 3 дня назад

Thanks! Happy you found it helpful!

@EaselCat 3 года назад

Weird I usually plug my Buchla into a mixer with the same results I think I have been burned

@LucIndustries 3 года назад

Made me chuckle

@milododds1 3 года назад

Ok this is totally cool, I have experiences with Mackie boards from my video production days many years ago. I love how you're explaining and showing all of this. What's funny is that what your doing in terms of creating a feedback loop (patching) is what I was absolutely avoiding with my prior audio and video production experience....little did I know then what world existed at my finger tips...total fields of diamonds. Totally worth watching this video, I hope to be one of your future students.

@sarahbellereid 3 года назад

Haha, totally! These techniques definitely go against what you're "supposed" to do with these tools. I remember the first time I got some accidental mic feedback onstage during a sound check and realized I could control the pitch of the feedback by changing the position of my valves on my trumpet... the sound engineer was pretty reluctant to "let me keep the feedback" but in the end it turned into something beautiful!

@horacioaraoz6410 3 года назад

muy bueno sarah. gracias por la información

@WokeUpScreaming Год назад

Really interesting video and so well explained! As a guitarist you can do something similar using a pedal with mono input and stereo outputs. Sending one of the outputs to the input and using the other output as your monitoring. Things get crazy when you put more pedals in the feedback loop.

@maracasinhamacas 4 года назад

Thank You Sarah!

@SteveCournane 4 года назад

Thank you so much. Great video

@grahamdunning 4 года назад

Amazing demo, thanks!

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

You're welcome!

@skarajmusic 2 года назад

Excellent video and demonstration, very well explained. I had no idea this was a thing.

@sarahbellereid 2 года назад

Thank you and thanks for watching!

@Datachrome 4 года назад

Very interesting video! This technique is used a lot by Japanese noise artists. I guess you can also includes effect pedals in the feedback loops and get even more crazy sounds.

@wingnutstuart 4 года назад

certainly, also try adding just one randomly generated sound source into one channel, bringing it in and out of the mix through various routes to give the feeling of coehesion to a performance.

@chrissiesmusic 4 года назад

love the marvin hanging in the background. great video!

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

thank you! and yes - love the marvin :)

@kgbinfo 4 года назад

Sarah, thanks for doing this walk-through! I've only just recently started experimenting with no input mixing, so having someone walk me through the basics is immensely helpful and encouraging. I'd love to see more patch walkthrough demonstrations in the future! One thing I wanted to add in regard to the inherent danger of damaging your monitors due to the extremely hot output of your mixer: I've found that running the signal through a compressor before it reaches the audio interface is a great way to ensure that your levels don't exceed what be you're comfortable listening to or feeding to your monitors. I use an Alesis Nanocompressor, and it's perfectly effective at maintaining a safe volume level. It's an older unit, and can be found used for $30-$40.

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

thanks for watching! happy to hear the video has been helpful for you :) and thanks for the great suggestion!

@1roomstudio 4 года назад

Love this!... brings me back to the 80s in the studio... would do this with a simple tape loop as input. Gotta try Zero! 😎

@1roomstudio 4 года назад

Tried it on my Behringer UB1204 PRO... awesome! but a little scary... think I need a limiter?

@MargaretHarmer 4 года назад

Great tutorial!

@kirinmcelwain 4 года назад

This is SO helpful. Thank you!!!

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

You're welcome!

@danielhyberg2590 2 года назад

Amazing video thanks

@simonchaubard2269 2 года назад

Thank you for this video

@sinkarna 4 года назад

Thanks for the tutorial, tried it out on my own Mackie with a zoom pedal and it's pretty amazing!

@sinkarna 4 года назад

Sarah Belle Reid I'm actually trying this out in a live setting next week, wish me luck ;)

@5minuterevolutionary493 Год назад

great explainer works for different levels of experience. also, i am reminded of birdsong by the stochastic nature of the performances here, unpredictable repetition, so to speak. very interesting and makes me want to bring my old mackie second mixer up from the basement and dig around for short cables.

@SineHacker 4 года назад

Ah this video is a real gem - thanks for uploading it, I loved your patch examples!

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

You're welcome and thanks!!

@71shartman 3 года назад

Awesome! Thank you

@k.skowronski175 3 года назад

This is the very first time, that i come to an awareness that there is such a thing as no input mixing.. I was looking for some regular review on a mixer. And it hits me, with all the fun and the beauty of it.. And so many questions, that occured instantly were answered by you in such a comprehensable and enjoyable manner. Thank you !! You have put a smile on my face today :) And you are a beauty yourself ;]

@sarahbellereid 3 года назад

Thank you!!!

@k.skowronski175 3 года назад

Inspiring.. It really is.. It will take me some time, to hear and see all that crazyamazing stuff you do.. But meanwhile, I have brought back my old Yamaha MD4 from its R. I. P. in the basement, since the TOC read died.. AND it is perfect for that purpose.. (lots of channel-switches)... I had an amazing time with my very first No-input-mix... Just two connections, with aux return L into channel 1, and aux send into channel 2.. Remembered to turn down the headphone volume, aaaaand.. Nothing happened.. It took me some time to explore and find the sound.. But when I got it, oh boy that was a fun trip .. Well, sorry to bore you out on my tiny little step into your galaxy.. But I'm very happy and thankful for the unexpected journey, so I wanted you to know, how inspirational your work is!! Lots of love.. Kazik

@penglyu1699 2 года назад

thank you so much! you are the best

@gobit5339 4 года назад

greetings from the "no input ensemble" and thanks a lot for the great demo

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

you're welcome!

@temporoboto 4 года назад

Awesome! Thanks for sharing.

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

Thanks for watching!

3 года назад

I love doing this! I 1st did this with a rotten old peavey board in 1999 at noise show in Cleveland. but I had a delay or 2 the patch.

@explodingtiger 3 года назад

C’est super cool! Merci

@beckclewlow 3 года назад

amazing !!

@RickySweum 4 года назад

Thank you for this great explanation. I had no idea this was possible. I have an unused Mackie mixer that I will now turn into an experimental instrument (just need to get a bunch of short patch cables).

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

You're welcome! I hope your explorations go well! :)

@sub-jec-tiv Год назад

Using these ideas with modular is always great fun too. Feedback loops with filters in the path, etc. Crazy thing is, you can also do this in a DAW mixer, especially if you include something really transformative like an amp simulator in the middle of the loop.

@lordskeletro Год назад

Never as good as the real thing.

@urzathehappy72 Год назад

Wow thats incredible id love to see how it sounds through some effects and with drums

@omni-shadow-topiaakaconrad2009 3 года назад

love the sound you have going in this video sound a lot like circuit bending sound

@Ebotronix 4 года назад

great connection!

@robinthefog5151 2 года назад

Completely ace!!

@sarahbellereid 2 года назад

thanks!

@MattGreerMusic 4 года назад

I have the VLZ4. Always have had fun playing around with it like this. I would also say that doing so can teach one how to achieve cleaner analog mixes as well. By learning what will create feedback tones on a mixer, you can learn to avoid those when do don't want those sounds to intrude on your mix.

@mikelreborn3254 Год назад

I have a destructor patch box it runs into a PCM slot on certain Roland products...I have mine hooked to my Roland u220 modular synth...once I start patching it can get crazy loud...I love how this works and will be trying.... So cool to see a woman doing this... Haven't found any interested in any experimental music .. keep it up...

@reubencumming1145 4 года назад

Awesome! I’ve got a 16ch Mackie with the Alt 3/4 outputs which I’ll have to try this out on!

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

how did your explorations go?

@ideologikal 4 года назад

Great, thanks

@returnofthemilk 2 года назад

This is brilliant.

@sarahbellereid 2 года назад

Thank you!

@totfosk Год назад

Super thank you!!!

@jungstrauma4 4 года назад

clear, in detail explanation. nice:) and a little marvin in the background!:)(:

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

thank you!! and yes! love the mini marvin :)

@inlovewithmovement 2 года назад

Thanks to this video I have saved thousands of pounds by not falling down a modular rabbit hole

@brucebennett5338 Год назад

tres cool !

@OmriCohen-Music 4 года назад

Oh wow, this is super interesting and so unique! The sounds feel so organic and alive...

@Audhentik 4 года назад

oh man, nice to see you here! :D

@OmriCohen-Music 4 года назад

@@Audhentik This is a nice one!

@zoshiguy Год назад

Thanks for that! Used to have a 16 channel Mackie, but now just a little Behringer 4 track. Curious though, and I'll give it a try!

@LeeRedfieldmusic 3 года назад

Brilliant !

@LeeRedfieldmusic 3 года назад

So if you are running your outputs to the inputs....from where are you running signal out of the board to the speakers?

@comicKkrakK 3 года назад

Great video. Brand new viewer and subscriber. Great to see you into this! Looking forward to digging into your other videos to see what else is in store for me.

@mpstrgc112 2 года назад

Nice work. + 1 sub. Thank you for the explanation.

@sarahbellereid 2 года назад

You're welcome and thanks for watching!

@mpstrgc112 2 года назад

I stumbled into the no input thing a while ago. And since I can’t afford ciat lombarde or soma labs stuff this is probably the way to go for the quirky and unexpected. For that reason I bought my first mixer today. 50 bucks and looking forward to it!

@dougllewellyn4620 4 года назад

Nice! I did something similar to this, except that I used just an Erica Synths Zen Delay and a Line 6 DL-4.

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

Awesome! I’ve been experimenting with adding effects into my no input mixer patches, and it’s super cool. Endless fun 🙃

@markkirschenmann3925 2 года назад

Thank you so much for this post, incredibly interesting and informative!

@pontiacj 3 года назад

Oh wow. This is really awesome! I used to have a similar setup, but I had a couple of sine wave generators that I bought off of ebay that could produce frequencies above the audible range. It's so much fun to fiddle with knobs and all of a sudden, bam, you've got a rhythm. Have you ever incorporated the channel inserts? It doesn't look like that mixer has pre-fader switches, but you could use the input from one channel as the line insert for another, though you'd have to split one of those balanced cables into dual outputs. At any rate, love what you're doing, I ran across your channel when I was vetting the morph, and you definitely make a good pitch for them.

@improziv 2 года назад

How do use the generator with freq above the hearing range in this kind of setup? I have a wavetek from the 1970’s I’d like to use.

@gammaphonic 4 года назад

I love this stuff. It reminds me of Bebe and Louis Barrons Forbidden Plant soundtrack. I’ve always wanted to try it, but I’m scared of damaging my mixer. I might see if I can track don’t an old second hand VLZ or something for cheap.

@CertifiedMailSignatureRequired Год назад

thanks for adding to the youtube/tiktok "i'm important" feedback loop. lol

@avfn8981 3 года назад

great!

@limaofarofa 4 года назад

This was a nice surprise coming from a random search. I've seen a few videos pop up on using guitar pedals as video effects, have you ever went down that rabbit hole?

@andrewclevine Год назад

An obervation regarding the patching: Connecting the (unsymmetrical) stereo headphone out to the (symmetrical) mono input of channel two feeds two unsymmetrical signals into the symmetrisation... 🤔

@Spherical_El Год назад

I seen you Sarah, I caught you. You were dancing Sarah, you were dancing to that music haha 😄 Love it. I'm being silly ofcourse, so expertly done and explained- you make that Mackie sound really nice/good. I wonder if the quality of the mixer effects the results or if its just down to feature set.

@schautamatic 5 месяцев назад

Sounds like a good way to make custom ring tones (like on 16:20) and "forget" to silence your phone during boring meetings, to really annoy your boss! 😂🤣

@pedrott6904 4 года назад

Awesome

@DrNIx123 11 месяцев назад

Did you notice that actually the Mackie mixer has symmetric connectors? That means that by feeding the headphone out via „stereo“ cable into a line in, you're getting the left headphone channel mixed with the phase-inverted right headphone channel. This probably gives the panning knob a different kind of twist.

@fotoniknoise 3 года назад

Very inspiring! Thank you! I'm wondering if I might damage some eurorack modules if I run the no-input mixer audio through them, any thoughts about that?

@LucIndustries 3 года назад

Shit, now I really want to let my drum machine rip through that patch to just disintegrate those drums. But there is no way im trying that on my Zed. You just helped someone sell their old mixer.

@iamsushi1056 2 года назад

what part of "no input" do you not understand lol /s

@_oe_o_e_ 3 года назад

*Sees Title* Oh I did that once *Sees Demonstration* I absolutely did not do this

@NasnuvenPaulo 4 года назад

This mixer sounds great! I had one some years ago and used a lof for no input mixing board. In your case, what are you using for attenuating the output signal? Nowadays I have the Mackie ProFx12 and decided for using the phone out as my output signal. There I can attenuate it before the signal goes to the speakers or recorders.

@YlowX7 Год назад

I made this soundscape a while ago using my ms20 mini synth and some weird feedback routing, and it sounded like some of techniques used in no input mixing. now that I know about no input mixing I'm tempted to make an even more complex setup of feedbacks with my ms20 mini.

@shknudtson Год назад

Hey Sarah! Love the video - does it make sense to bring a limiter to a show in order to save the engineer from riding the fader? Have you done that before?

@zydiz 4 года назад

My synth has an external input on its back, i used to feed the outputs back to it creating nice reverb, overdrive and some etheral tones, its just marvellous

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

that sounds awesome!

@zydiz 4 года назад

@@sarahbellereid it does

@Audhentik 4 года назад

very well explained and great a demo! i did this a lot with an old tapco mixer (which has the same components as a mackie mixer i think) but i'm still a bit scared to do it on my mackie 1402 as i use it as my main mixer

@sarahbellereid 4 года назад

thanks so much!