Mohammad confirms in the hadith what the quran says. That the sun sets in a pool of murky water is a fact as per Mohammad. As factual as drinking camel urine and water contaminated with menstrual rags and dead animals.
"The example of the disbelievers not responding to the Messenger’s warning is like a flock not comprehending the calls and cries of the shepherd. ˹They are wilfully deaf, dumb and blind so they have no understanding." The Holy Qur'an, 2:171.
After I have read the Quran, I realized that all what humanity needs is this heavenly law. “The legislation of Quran will spread all over the world, because it agrees with the mind, logic and wisdom.” - Leo Tolstoy .
Mohammad confirms in the hadith what the quran says. That the sun sets in a pool of murky water is a fact as per Mohammad. As factual as drinking camel urine and water contaminated with menstrual rags and dead animals.
@Crus Ader i never read tolotsy work really but if he reject he is the one who will judged for this My problem is the statment ,what is the problem with it
@Crus Ader i heared about him and his journey and meet with muslims prisoners he praised them But i am not really into long books because i get bored fast I just search for things in internet and see and collect knowledge from it To tell you i live in iraq so i really dont know ur feeling living in godless nations
Who said trinity is a mystery. Here is the dumbed down version of the trinity for a musim to understand. Get back to me if you have any doubt. If you dont then prepare yourself to accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. *Allah (swt) = Allah the Father + Kalimat Allah (the word) + Ruh Allah (Holy Spirit).* 1.Not three Gods because that is shirk. 2. Not Allah (swt), quran , angel - because that is bigger shirk because you are associating creation (quran and angel) with Allah (swt). 3. But One divine Being (Allah swt) with three persons. A stone is one being with no person. A human is one being with one person. The true God of Abraham has revealed himself to be one Divine being with three persons.
@@xmanevo4160 So let me ask you what you mean by one. Here are my questions and if you have anything to add please add to the discouse. When it says that Allah has no offsprings. What do you mean? Does Allah have biological sons? when islam says Allah is one? What does it mean? 1. Is Allah the only God to be worshiped from the other 360 Gods. 2. Is allah a monad like the number one (Wahid) or a plurality of one (Ahad). 3. Is Allah one divine being with no persons like divine stone. 4. Is Allah one divine being with one person like a divine human. 5. is Allah like the God of abraham one divine being with three person totally different from his creation. If you dont respond it is you who is dumb and has not thought through this concept of one.
@@doctorsnuggles3299 Why dont you pick up a book teaching you all about the doctrine of the trinity, that is a more sensible thing to to than to ask strangers. That is what I did with the quran, hadith and seera. if I did not read and study it myself and depended on the lies of the imams and sheikhs instead I would have been arrogant and ignorant follower of islam today.
@@fedesetrtatio1 I thought that u have some knowledge about Christianity that's what i ask u. But as i see u are not able to answer a simple question about the trinity. Look like the trinity is really a mystery 😉
Twinky hair should stop going to the windy city. His false sense of confident is honestly cringy, especially that thing he does with his hands 12:42 lol is he trying to be Zohan or Zoolander.
The sun sets In the land of Canaan. (Deuteronomy 11:30) "Are they not on the other side Jordan, by the way where the sun goeth down, in the land of the Canaanites, which dwell in the champaign over against Gilgal, beside the plains of Moreh?"
Ex-Christian, television personality, Amber Rose, speaking about the death of Jesus Christ, she said: “I just don’t believe that Jesus died and came back to life for my sins. I just believe that’s crazy. That’s ludicrous. I believe it’s manipulative."
Jesus the good and perfect prophet of islam - said that Satan goes by the name "the Khairul Makarin' ie "the great deceiver" - and Allah goes by that same name. And prophet jesus also said that many will fall under the spell of the Khairul makarin. Amber Rose could be one of them.
There is only One religious text that commands the kiling of babies. And that is the Christian Bible. The medianites man woman and child, nursing baby and even tree and donkey was to be kild as revenge for a crime their forefathers did centuries before......HOWEVER, ANY VIRGIN GIRL was to be kept alive and distributed to the solders to do you know what 🤮🤮🤮 In the Qur’an, we are commanded to fight ONLY in self defense vs persecution. And no non combatants, no woman, children, elderly, religious leaders or buildings are to be harmed. And if they cease, to show mercy Not only, here, but also in the NT. See verses below Ever wondered why devout christians like Blair and Bush lied to the world with a bogus war on terror, did 9oneone, then lied about wmd and killed millions of innocent people to steal those countries resources? Or why they overrepresent muslims crimes tenfold(look it up) in the media to wash peoples minds with lies and hate? If we were like them, we could blame Christianity, because maybe the bible of Jesus tells you to behave this way? Corinthians 6:14 ESV / Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 2 John 1:9-11 ESV / Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 ESV / And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. 2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV / In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 6:14-15 ESV / Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever Deuteronomy 17:1-20 ESV “You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever, for that is an abomination to the Lord your God. “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. ... Luke 19:27 ESV / But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” Exodus 22:19 ESV / “Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death. Deuteronomy 7:3 ESV / You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, Leviticus 20:13 ESV / If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Leviticus 20:27 ESV / “A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:10 ESV / “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Leviticus 21:9 ESV / And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.😅
The God of the Bible explicitly endorses polygamy and sexual slavery and coerced marriage of young virgins along with monogamy. In fact, he endorses all three to the point of providing detailed regulations. Based on stories of sex and marriage that God rewards and appears to approve one might add incest to the mix of sexual contact that receives divine sanction. New Testament Endorses Old Testament Nowhere does the Bible say, “Don’t have sex with someone who doesn’t want to have sex with you.” Consent, in the Bible, is not a thing. Furthermore, none of the norms that are endorsed and regulated in the Old Testament law - polygamy, sexual slavery, coerced marriage of young girls-are revised, reversed, or condemned by Jesus. In fact, the writer of Matthew puts these words in the mouth of Jesus: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law [the Old Testament] until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) The Law of which Jesus speaks is the Law of Moses, or the Torah, and anyone who claims the Bible as the perfect word of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent God should have the decency to read the Torah carefully-and then keep going.The God of the Bible explicitly endorses polygamy and sexual slavery and coerced marriage of young virgins along with monogamy. In fact, he endorses all three to the point of providing detailed regulations. Based on stories of sex and marriage that God rewards and appears to approve one might add incest to the mix of sexual contact that receives divine sanction. New Testament Endorses Old Testament Nowhere does the Bible say, “Don’t have sex with someone who doesn’t want to have sex with you.” Consent, in the Bible, is not a thing. Furthermore, none of the norms that are endorsed and regulated in the Old Testament law - polygamy, sexual slavery, coerced marriage of young girls-are revised, reversed, or condemned by Jesus. In fact, the writer of Matthew puts these words in the mouth of Jesus: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law [the Old Testament] until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) The Law of which Jesus speaks is the Law of Moses, or the Torah, and anyone who claims the Bible as the perfect word of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent God should have the decency to read the Torah carefully-and then keep going.😢
. In Revelation 2:22-23, the Son of God passes judgement on various churches in Asia Minor. He singles out one woman from Thyatira, Jezebel, who is a prophetess: “Beware, I am throwing her on a bed, and those who commit adultery with her I am throwing into great distress, unless they repent of her doings; and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.” While many translations shy away from the sexual violence implicit in the threat, the text’s repeated references to sexual immorality, in the context of a work that operates on the principle that ‘the punishment fits the crime,’ implies that rape is an appropriate punishment for this ‘false’ prophetess. Likewise, the Whore of Babylon, the author’s female symbol for Rome, is also threatened with sexual violence; the angel explains that the Great City of Rome will be made desolate and naked, implying again that her promiscuous behaviour should be punished by sexual violation, condoned by God. Despite the fact that the Whore is a symbolic woman (rather than actual woman, like Jezebel), the reinforcing of sexual violence as punishment contributes to a culture in which rape is understood as not only acceptable, but necessary in order for the “right side” to emerge victorious, masculinity intact. The question of sexual violence as punishment, unfortunately, remains all too relevant. From popular culture to present day wars, rape persists as a means of control. All too recently, American soldiers were found guilty of sexually abusing Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison after photos showed evidence of soldiers raping male and female prisoners; even if not directly influenced by the biblical texts, the notion that victims of sexual assault need to be “innocent,” as one of the guilty soldiers insisted, hearkens back to ancient ideas about warfare, rape, and power.😢
Trinity is ancient paganism. Egyptian Trinity Father Osiris, mother Isis and son Horus Hindu Trinity Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva Christian Trinity Father, son Jesus and Holy Spirit "If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief." Edward Gibbon's History of Christianity,
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Whoever says, 'Subhan Allah wa bihamdihi,' one hundred times a day, will be forgiven all his sins even if they were as much as the foam of the sea." Sahih al-Bukhari 6405
Mohammad confirms in the hadith what the quran says. That the sun sets in a pool of murky water is a fact as per Mohammad. As factual as drinking camel urine and water contaminated with menstrual rags and dead animals.
Allah promises to forgive the monotheists. Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah Almighty says: O My servant, as long as you worship Me and place your hopes in Me, I will forgive you despite what you have done. O My servant, if you meet Me with enough sins to fill the earth, I will meet you with as much forgiveness as long as You do not associate anything with Me.” Musnad Ahmad 21368
It is always wise to avoid wasting your time with clowns, who do not know the value of a conversation about The Almighty God. May Allah reward brother Mansur for his patience.
All sins are forgiven for those who accept Islam. Qur'an 8:38. Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. ‘Amr ibn al-‘As reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do you not know that embracing Islam wipes away all sins committed before it, that emigration wipes away what came before it, and the Hajj pilgrimage wipes away what came before it?” Sahih Muslim 121
The sun stood still for a whole day (Joshua 10:13) "And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day."
KJV Psalm 18:10 & 2Samuel 22:11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. God is everywhere, the Christians claimed; yet unlike Superman, God needs to fly on a cherub (baby girl angel) to go places.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is closer to Jesus than anyone else. Prophet Mohammad said, “I am the closest of the people to Jesus the son of Mary in this life and in the Hereafter.” It was said, “How is that, O Messenger of Allah?” The Prophet said, “The prophets are like brothers from one father with different mothers. They have one religion and there was no other prophet between us.” Sahih Muslim 2365
Lâ Hawla wa lâ Quwwata illâ billâhi'l aliyul Aziim. Alhamdulillâhi Rabbil âlamiin. Allâhumma Salli alâ Seyyidinâ Mawlâna Muhammadin Wa Sallim. Thank you for sharing this with us. May ALLÂH SWT Make it Easy for all and Guide, Protect, Bless, Help us and Grant all of us Jannah. Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen Ameen…
Typical tactics...ambush with multi question & people...only read scripted question & action, 'Are you running away..Do you reject Hadith & many more.....' When want to change the topics, they scared because they don't have other script, actually they don't know anything...
If the Christians question the Quran on that level. They should apply the same on the bible. If the same criteria would be used, they would realize the bible is man made. And christianity is a man made religion.
Christians pagans say Jesus is god. But Jesus prayed to god and said God in Heaven is the only one god who sent Jesus. If Jesus is god then why the hell would he be worshipping God? These Christians are lost. Luke 6:12. One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. John 17:3. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
the best of br Mansur to give as much time as need to present the argument... why is the Xtians guy deny the only opportunity to take much of time to present about his argument ?
the word for find in arabic isn't used the same way that it's used in english. he was lying. she was right, that's why he changed the subject. hadith and early tafsirs of quran clearly point to a setting place for the sun on the earth.
Google in '£14 million gospel found in Turkey daily mail'. The pope requested this in 2012 and resigned in Feb 2013. The forst pope to resign in 600 years. In this 1500 year old Aramaic Gospel, Jesus prophesied the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Anas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Feed the hungry, spread peace, speak kind words, and pray at night when people are sleeping. You will enter Paradise in peace.” Musnad al-Bazzar 2497
"And when he reached the Sunset, he found the sun setting in a muddy spring, and by it he found a [godless] people. We said: "O Zul-Qarnayn! either thou chastise them, or be gracious to them". Surah 18 verse 86 The Qur'anic verse attributes the image of the sunset in a "bubbling spring" to the word of Dhu'l-Qarnayn (the Man-with-two horns or Alexander) in connection with what he had observed. His tool of observation was the naked eye. In other words, his eyes showed him that the sun was diving as it disappeared, either into water that was cloudy because it was mixed with mud, or into warm water. What will your eyes see if you arrive, on your way to the west, at the edge of the ocean, if not what the eyes of Dhû-l-Qarnayn saw? The learned scholar Ibn Kathir, in his exegesis, says about this verse: "until he reached the sunset": "That is to say, he followed a path until he reached the extreme accessible part of the earth on the western side. As for reaching the place where the sun sets in the sky, that is impossible. Then he adds, explaining this part of the verse, "he saw that it was disappearing into a bubbling spring": This means that he saw the sun, according to his own vision, as setting in the ocean. This is the case of anyone who stops at the edge of a sea, he will see the sun setting there, while it does not leave the orbit in which it is fixed. I say that what Ibn Kathir and many other exegetes explain is what the Qur'anic term "finding" expresses: this term describes what the eyes of Dhu'l-Qarnayn have observed, and this can only be described correctly by using the description that followed. All the astronomers, philosophers and physicists of the world, if they stand at the seashore and observe the sunset, will only see what the Qur'an has mentioned, as the eyes of Dhu'l-Qarnayn have seen it. The account of what the eyes see of the planets, the sun and the moon, in ancient or modern times, always diverges from the way the scholars and thinkers talk about them. To conflate these two things is either idiocy or deception.
In Islam, Jesus is blessed. Qur'an 19:31. "And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; But in Christianity, Jesus is cursed. Anyone who calls Jesus or God's Laws a curse, is from the devil. Galatians 3:13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) would speak what God commands him. Both Moses and Jesus knew this. Deuteronomy 18:18. and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. John 16:13. for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. No Christian can debunk these claims.
The meal from Heaven Qur'an 5:111-115. 111. And [remember] when I inspired to the disciples, "Believe in Me and in My messenger Jesus." They said, "We have believed, so bear witness that indeed we are Muslims [in submission to Allah]." 112. “And when the disciples said, 'O Jesus son of Mary, is your Lord able to bring down for us a feast from heaven?' He said, 'Fear Allah, if you are believers.'“ 113. They said, “We wish to eat from it, so that our hearts may be reassured, and know that you have told us the truth, and be among those who witness it.” 114. Jesus son of Mary said, “O Allah, our Lord, send down for us a table from heaven, to be a festival for us, for the first of us, and the last of us, and a sign from You; and provide for us; You are the Best of providers.” 115. Allah said, “I will send it down to you. But whoever among you disbelieves thereafter, I will punish him with a punishment the like of which I never punish any other being.”
Qur'an 9:72. Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from Allah is greater. It is that which is the great attainment.
Jesus will testify against the Christians and Catholics on Judgement Day Qur'an 5:116-118. And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. 117. I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. 118. If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
World famous author, Leo Tolstoy said: “Muhammad has always been standing higher than the Christianity. He does not consider god as a human being and never makes himself equal to God. Muslims worship nothing except God and Muhammad is his Messenger. There is no any mystery and secret in it. The law of the Qur’an will prevail in the world because it agrees with reason and wisdom. I have come to understand that humanity needs only a Divine law to establish the truth and destroy falsehood. Islamic law will encompass the entire world because it is consistent with reason and agrees with wisdom and justice.”
they came in flocks just came to incite...when the lady failed,the man jump in...even before the wowan failed... the man throwing stone at background..
Some verses of bible on astronomy. Earth and Heavens have pillars in Bible. Regarding ‘the Heavens’, the Bible says in Job, Ch. 26, Verse 11, that…‘The pillars of the Heaven will tremble.’ Qur’an says in Surah Luqman, Ch. 31, Verse No.10, that…‘The Heavens are without any pillars - Don`t you see? Don’t you see the Heavens are without any pillars? - Bible says heaven have got pillars. Point No. 9 - Not only do the Heavens have got pillars - Bible says in the first book of Samuel, Ch. No.2 Verses No.8, as well as the book of Job Ch. No.9, Verse No.6, and the book of Psalms Ch. No.75, Verse No.3, that… ‘Even the earth have got pillars.’ Do you find any pillar in Earth and Heaven . The mentioned bible verse writer thought that like buildings have pillars even the earth and heavens have pillars . Matthew 21:21. “Jesus replied, 'I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.'" I challenge any "faithful" believing Christian to move one brick, not a mountain with his sight or words. Have any Christian from the time of Jesus till now been able to do it? Mark 16:17-18. "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." Again, I challenge any Christian to allow himself to get bit by a poisonous rattle snake or cobra and survive its venom.
This ayaah is explained by shk Ingram Hossein as being the Darial Gorge, a place between the Black Sea and the Caspian sea. Read how he concluded that.
The ayah about the sun setting in the pool of water that Christians use as a doubt makes no sense. If you go to a coastline in England and observe the sun setting, you’ll observe and say that you found the sun set on the coastline. This doesn’t mean that the sun sets in that specific location, it’s your observation. The Quran and Sunnah affirms that the sun has motion and rises in the east and sets in the west. So I don’t know what their point is? Affirmation in the Hadith that the sun rises in the east but will rise from the west as a sign of the hour: “The Hour will not be established until the sun rises from the west. When it rises from the west, all people together will believe. Yet on that day, ‘No soul will benefit from his faith if he did not believe earlier, nor earn good from his faith.'” (6:158) Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 4636, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 157 Bible says the sun sets in the lands of the Canaanite’s: As you know, these mountains are across the Jordan, westward, toward the setting sun, near the great trees of Moreh, in the territory of those Canaanites living in the Arabah in the vicinity of Gilgal (Deuteronomy 11:30)
The two Xtian hecklers who are interrupting Mansur's conversation with the young lady are the kind of persons who would be talking to themselves if they were each alone in an empty room. They love listening to themselves.
They struggle with English, the hadith would be beyond anything they could fathom. Then the poor lady couldn't figure out why she's insincere. Fools waffling and wasting Mansur's time.
that is christianity for you today.... doesnt want to answer, beating around the bush, play victim, heckling, preaching.. then run away but claimed they had won
Have we ever seen sun smiting someone? No! "The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night." (Psalms 121:6) Have we ever seen someone wearing a sun? No! "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars." (Revelation 12:1) Do we believe, Sun ever goes down literally? No! "Are they not on the other side Jordan, by the way where the sun goeth down, in the land of the Canaanites, which dwell in the champaign over against Gilgal, beside the plains of Moreh?"(Deuteronomy 11:30)
Allah has promised the Paradise for the believers. Qur’an 42:30-32. 30. Indeed, those who have said, “Our Lord is Allah ” and then on a right course - the angels will descend upon them, [saying], “Do not fear and do not grieve but receive good tidings of Paradise, which you were promised. 31. We [angels] were your allies in worldly life and [are so] in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request [or wish] 32. As accommodation from a [Lord who is] Forgiving and Merciful.”
Most of these Christians come to have debate with only limited knowledge of their own scriptures and when they fall foul of their arguments they change the topic to try and find fault with the Quraan which if they listen properly to how these brothers explain things they deny the truth, you cannot have logical discussion with people of limited intellect!
we all see with our naked eyes which people Allah guides to the path' these people are not guided' If Allah wants you to go astray you will never be guided.
Finding a quality in someone is totally different from finding an object Appealing to specificity is totally insincere. Mansewer, you need to learn how to debate. You lost.
The question that ends the matter for all involved regardless of the 'where' aspect is: "Does the sun set?" That can also be expanded to the rising. Even scientists will still use the phrasing despite the answer being a clear 'no'. In much the same way, the manner of speaking/turn of phrase as presented is not particularly notable, and the Quran itself mentions the matter of the Sun and the Moon traveling in their own orbits in Chapter 21 (Surat Al-Anbya) Verse 33, the translation of the meaning being: "And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon-each travelling in an orbit." This makes it evident that the very surface pedantry does not reflect the reality of what they're attempting to poke at. This is all leaving aside the tafsirs of the Quran that appreciate the meaning presented by the verse that was regarded. Additionally, the expanded particulars of the hadith being used as leverage are a matter they have disregarded despite it being explored in scholarly context, something that includes the fact that it is a hadith transmitted with two chains of narration with differing statements, only one of which uses the wording being leveraged here. You can guess which one scholars regard over the other, but aspects of the why have actually been mentioned here in the veracity of isnad as a metric and the matters of content which also have a role in determining the validity of a hadith. Regardless, the same hadith they are using can be seen as a spoke in the wheel of the arguments that reference it in that if the Sahaba regarded the verse as literal or were considering the same matter as reflected in it, the question of their knowledge of the matter would not have been answered in the way it was, as it would have been redundant. They also fail to have read very shortly after that verse where the sun is mentioned to rise on a people who have no shelter from it. For reference, this is Chaper 18 (Surat Al-Kahf) Verse 90, the translation of the meaning being: "until he reached the rising ˹point˺ of the sun. He found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no shelter from it." With the thoughtless qualm presented, it'd be surprising that there wasn't a finger pointed at this for the sun rising 'on' a people, which would be a similarly feeble attempt, but the reality is that it's likely because this is one of the standard attempts at a gotcha that have already been well refuted as opposed to something that they've actually come across or even seen the explanations of.
Well said. I remember there were 5 other narrations about that same incident/question, each one of them not mentioning anything about the murky waters.
Qur'an 109:1-6. 1. Say, "O disbelievers, 2. I do not worship what you worship 3. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. 4. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. 5. Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. 6. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
