No More Lithium! NEW Sodium-Ion Battery To BEGIN Mass Production

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No More Lithium! NEW Sodium-Ion Battery To BEGIN Mass Production
The world's biggest battery maker, CATL of China, just revealed a sodium ion battery that challenges existing lithium-ion technology for energy density and longevity and which could genuinely revolutionize the future of energy storage.
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@mconnah1 Год назад

I’ll listen when they are actually available…

@jeffp3999 Год назад

Already in production by BYD

@ElSarcastro Год назад

@JeffP still don't see them available

@daz9882 Год назад

Agree, too many "game changing" new battery news but yet i see none that is "available" in daily life use.

@dzjuben2794 Год назад

@@ElSarcastro exactly lol. ping me in 10 years, maybe then there might be a experiment that is buyable by the consumer or even used by anyone at all.

@jeffp3999 Год назад

@@ElSarcastro HiNa Battery Fuyang

@truhartwood3170 Год назад

The overall thing I find encouraging is that with so much money to be made, tons of money is being poured into battery R&D. That's leading to many discoveries and breakthroughs in general. Whether any individual solution ends up being widely adopted isn't so much the issue, as long as batteries are getting cheaper, production is growing, and they're getting more environmentally friendly to produce.

@stickyfox Год назад

And if we're lucky, the next game-changing battery technology won't be discovered by a company who stands to make more money by suppressing and fighting it.

@billrehm3590 Год назад

None of these things are happening. They are more expensive and not eco-friendly .

@truhartwood3170 Год назад

@@billrehm3590 probably only 1/100 breakthroughs will make it to market. The thing is, we don't know which one. And it all increases out knowledge in general. Someone may come up with a technique to use platiumium as a cathode, which is rediculous impractical, but that technique sparks someone else to come up with a etter way to make a lithium battery that makes it to market.

@blam1328 Год назад

@@stickyfox Don't worry, the US is far behind in battery technologies.

@tophatv2902 Год назад

@@blam1328 compared to whom, china?

@JTByrd386 Год назад

I am surprised to learn that 75% capacity was insufficient for the tradeoff of rare materials. My question is: how are the low-end thermal operating ranges?

@josephwolf5660 Год назад

Other problems are cyclability and compatibility with a graphite anode.

@eclecticgamer5144 Год назад

Lithium is one the most common elements on the planet...

@JTByrd386 Год назад

@@eclecticgamer5144 33rd most common, but now that I see how it's extracted, I see your point. It isn't rare at all and is typically harvested from seawater. Now this makes a lot more sense.

@KingBobXVI Год назад

@@eclecticgamer5144 - Lithium isn't that common, and it's concentrated in... geopolitically inconvenient regions.

@KingBobXVI Год назад

Yeah, 75% is higher than I thought it would be given its lack of use. Weight is an issue for things like EVs, but the lower cost makes it seem pretty obvious as a primary use case for things like grid storage plants.

@joewoodchuck3824 Год назад

I made salt cells decades ago with a kid's science book. A flat piece of zinc, paper towel soaked in salt water, and copper sheet wrapped around the whole thing. The copper had a small hole in it to replenish water as it dried out.

@TopOfAllWorlds Год назад

I feel like this is more of an alternative than a replacement. Lithium may become a premium battery and sodium may become the common battery when prices come down. Which would be a good thing

@pondracek Год назад

Not necessarily just cost. If they're more durable to charging cycles and less sensitive to heat, it might be that they're vastly superior for grid redundancy, which would drive down demand and therefore cost of lithium. Being 20% larger and heavier but much more durable to charging cycles at any temperature is actually a feature many would pay a premium for.

@Dargonhuman Год назад

That's what they said about LED vs CFL lightbulbs, but then LED proved to be cheaper and more durable and the general public was all like "What have you done for me lately?" to CFL.

@timmturner Год назад

@@Dargonhuman I've had LED bulbs fail much sooner than CDL, but overall I still run them over CFL

@nickiemcnichols5397 Год назад

Like me, a lot of people aren’t interested in owning a car powered by lithium. It costs us too much in carbon output. To keep coming up with more ways to pollute the planet is not going to work.

@keithbroh5730 Год назад

@@timmturner almost every led light bulb sold in America is made so that with enough heat they will fail because of small connections to leds

@christopherleubner6633 Год назад

Better for gadgets and grid storage where weight isnt a premium. A larger intercallation matrix for the anode is needed, but the cathode material can be similar to existing lithium chemistry. One benifit is that sodium can use plain old iron oxide in place of the cobalt. Something with a aluminum ferroferricyanide cathode and a iron oxide ferriphospate anode will work nicely. 🤓❤

@stickyfox Год назад

Weight might not even be an issue if electric cars were made to get people to work and back, and not 200 miles, or go 200 miles an hour... and if you didn't need an 8-core CPU and a 7" ultra-HD display to make phone calls. Isn't it weird that no matter what energy storage we use, we always end up with the same battery capacity in our devices? Don't you feel like a laptop could run for 3 weeks if we wanted it to?

@xxportalxx. Год назад

@@stickyfox you have a halfway decent point, however when it comes to mobiles batteries will self discharge, slapping a bigger battery on a less hungry device wouldn't necessarily increase the battery life proportionately (i.e. it may be more practical to scale performance to capacity). Another factor is that as battery energy density increases form factor tends to decrease, those older devices may have had a similar battery life, but with far less performance and far more bulk/heft. As for cars you're absolutely right, but on that token you may as well be arguing for bikes (it comes down to an issue of consumer preference).

@stickyfox Год назад

@@xxportalxx. I think manufacturers are afraid nobody would be interested in a $20,000 EV that had a 25-50 mile upgradable battery, in spite of the number of people who live less than 10 miles from work and get free charging as an employment benefit. We can put off developing the massive battery capacities we dream of and satisfy the current demand using less material; and then in the meantime while we improve the tech the consumers who want to go 200 miles can slap a full-size battery in their car and enjoy a drive across the state. That, or they would prioritize selling the big battery as a "pay to unlock" premium feature, and aren't on board with a customer getting what they want and no more. We're living in a weird time.. it'll be interesting to watch.

@xxportalxx. Год назад

@@stickyfox well most ev's made today aren't designed to ever have the battery replaced, the new teslas integrate them into the frame even! They're designed to last the life of the vehicle. So you'd need a pretty big redesign of the ev concept as well. Downside of this is that making them replaceable would make the vehicle less spacious and heavier. Tradeoffs I suppose. Personally I'd never purchase such a vehicle, or an ev in general honestly, but that's bc my state is very large and not very dense, I live pretty close to work relative to my states avg and it's a 20mi commute, beyond that seeing an ev charge port is like seeing an elephant they're so rare here. Public transport is also essentially nonexistent (including ride sharing apps for most of the state).

@godswipe974 Год назад

You dont even know what your on about stop copying shit from google

@paulhughes3961 Год назад

I truly hope it all works, it's very exciting . Can't wait to try the new batteries in flash lights and small electronics.

@davidyoung1610 Год назад

Yeah….I was already checking AliExpress, but no dice 😂

@themonsterunderyourbed9408 8 месяцев назад

Don't hold your breath.

@PacoOtis Год назад

This video is ten times longer than it needed to be! Best of luck!

@varuzhshakbazyan5732 Год назад

That's practically every RU-vid video. All of them are out for views and the longer the videos the more money they can make.

@MikeMessiah Год назад

This video should have been 1 minute video. AHHHH, now i see why RU-vid Shorts are becoming popular. No BS straight to the point.

@vodkarage8227 Год назад

Anything that is cleaner to produce is a huge plus in my book. The fact that it is as good and cheaper is just icing on the cake.

@mothafuc1incurlytim Год назад

I wonder if they’d be able to source the salt from the ocean? If so, maybe it could be a by product of desalination for drinking water. Maybe then it’d be cost affective for both desalination for drinking water and the sodium batteries.

@justincase3230 Год назад

You'd Need to wash and purify the salt byproduct a lot, too much random stuff in seawater. Better off mining it.

@rogeriocarvalho7670 Год назад

Excellent idea!!! 👏

@sandorbakker8166 Год назад

@@YouCanHasAccount If you mine it in the form of rock salt you have the same issue. The most common compound on earth is sodium chloride. Chlorine is widely used in industry so a useful byproduct

@deanrolph6912 Год назад

@@YouCanHasAccount No its not better to put the brine back into the ocean as its far denser than sea water so it sinks to the bottom and kills all the marine life.

@warbuzzard7167 Год назад

@@deanrolph6912 I don't think you know anything about chemistry or physics, based upon this ridiculous response.

@Sb129 Год назад

I've heard of tons of 'revolutionary' new batteries, all I can do is wish them luck

@timhinchcliffe5372 Год назад

Me too, I'll believe it when I see it.

@MemorableEventsVideo Год назад

At this point I click on the video for the comment section.

@hull4bal00 Год назад

It's just companies trying to get investors and bost their stock value,

@timhinchcliffe5372 Год назад

@@hull4bal00 they wouldn't do that sort of thing in China... surely. 😁

@hull4bal00 Год назад

@@timhinchcliffe5372 you're not a Chinese, you know nothing about China.

@SandwichMitGurke Год назад

that article you showed with Tesla was about a totally different chemistry. It's about their own LFP cells (lithium iron phosphate)

@martindye Год назад

I was going to say that too, and noticed this, we need some more up to date information.

@PhycoKrusk Год назад

"Every ton of lithium extracted by hard rock mining results in the release of 15 tons of carbon dioxide." _shows nuclear cooling towers releasing clouds of water vapor_ The only thing I can't decide on is whether this was intentionally misleading or just lazy.

@604cpr Год назад

This tech is ideal for PEV’s. Even if capacity is less than current L-ion batteries, the fast recharging ability would allow a rider to recharge in the time it takes to get a coffee. As long as there is access to the power grid you’d never have to be down more than a typical rest stop. I’d be willing to have a battery pack built to try this.

@stanimal8 Год назад

The primary issue with Sodium-Ion battery had been cyclelife and lower specific energy when compared to Li-Ion batteries. And while some progress are being made on Sodium-Ion batteries, IMO, they still have a long ways to go before they're ready for high volume manufacturing.

@smithshaun33 Год назад

The sodium batteries from the 1800s gave studebaker 600 miles per charge when they created the first electric vehicle.

@rajadurai8067 11 месяцев назад

The Madras iit already in research to improve this.

@stanimal8 11 месяцев назад

@@rajadurai8067 There is tremendous amounts of research on pretty much anything relating to higher energy density battery techs. But research doesn't mean there will be positive results, as most research ends up being dead-ends. For the next 5 years, the most likely winner will be solid-state Li-Ion batteries, with many companies pouring billions into R&D, as they're sampling SSB's with 2-3X the energy density of the best of today's Li-Ion batteries, with significantly better charge/discharge rates and far lower fire risks.

@JouniKyyronen-nv1ep 11 месяцев назад

in 2050 we know who won, if not happen same that early 1900

@PruneHub 9 месяцев назад

@@smithshaun33 Sodium ion batteries will only be feasible if the sodium is made from Unicorn urine. Just another pipe dream from people who don't know anything about electricity or engineering.

@reejuvideo456 Год назад

Even if they are heavier, especially in Midwest and countryside, the batteries could be stored in the basement or in garage, and the solar energy could be used to charge them. Even if there are three times the bulky, if they're cheap to produce, and last long, they are worth and investment for the greener and a cheaper world.

@hf117j Год назад

Yeah but their primary use would be to be stationary. And most people don't think "I need a battery made of this" they think "I need a battery, lemme ask my wallet for recommendations"

@KS-45 9 месяцев назад

Greener? You have to mine sodium (Na) it’s a volatile metal when introduced to water, it is not salt they are using (NaCl sodium chloride)

@justinlipkin Год назад

If the main drawback is the KWH/KG then why don't we use them in areas where the weight and space is much less of a concern EG: The Tesla Wall? If lithium is lighter and stores more potential per KG then it'd make sense for it to be used for portable systems in which weight is crucial. Aircraft need a really good power/weight ratio to be viable so the fuel that is used is made with that in mind, cars need a decent power/weight ratio so the fuel or batteries used have to keep that in mind, your house doesn't often move. I know that in some areas of the world we use hydro potential energy generators that pump water up high for storage and then release it when needed. This system is in no way portable and it's not meant to be. Things like the Tesla Wall as well as other areas of local power storage don't need to have lithium and in some ways it could be seen as a waste of resources

@timothymusson5040 Год назад

Agreed. Given the otherwise similar specs of the two chemistries, I care about kWh/$, not weight. Give me SLA weight if you give it to me with LiFeSO4 characteristics and lots of safe storage.

@SteveAkaDarktimes Год назад

Battery Technology arose from the express purpose of energy storage for hand-held consumer electronics. maximizing battery life, size and weight against the competition was critical in that space. No one wanted to eat R&D costs of new Battery tech. Only recently were Lit-Ion batteries pressganged into larger scale fixed Battery installations and for vehicles. it was proven, available tech, but never intended or developed for that purpose. There was also a powerful lobbies in fuel and industry hampering development in renewables and Batteries for their own interest. or maybe no-one saw a Market worth conquering. Now all of the sudden everyone invests into Energie Storage Technologies and developments are fast. that Only shows how many low hanging fruit were ignored for so long.

@133col Год назад

Looking forward to this. I want to store my solar energy and this seems perfect as I don't care about weight and dimensions in this instance. If it's cheaper than Li, count me in!

@pridemuramasa1820 Год назад

Same

@ipaporod Год назад

Exactly, who cares if the sodium ion battery weighs 30% more than lithium ion batteries but are 40% cheaper if you already have the space at home to store it.If you spent $10000 on lithium batteries for your home solar system you would want to switch to sodium ion batteries if the cost is only $6000 with similar shelf life!.

@AtomicExtremophile 9 месяцев назад

A year later, and... All we get is the EV industry telling us new battery technology will make the adoption of EVs more simple and widespread, yet none of these technologies have replaced lithium cells... Dream on...

@L.J.Designs Год назад

Weight and mass can probably be used interchangeably in certain situations, but in educational videos, covering topics involving chemistry, physics etc mass and weight should be used correctly. In many educational videos it can be an opportunity to enlighten many people , as there are plenty of other words with the same lack of understanding

@Andrew_Fernie Год назад

@notfiveo I need supplementary lithium.

@thecurrentmoment Год назад

It would lose some its educational value if they used mass instead of weight, because normal people use the term 'weight' for how heavy something is. It's debatable whether this a chemistry/physics video or just an accessible tech video

@Forevertrue Год назад

A couple of startups in the US are underway as well. I hope they do not overlook the home backup energy market. Safe inexpensive home energy storage for back up is a pretty big market.

@GNX157 Год назад

And be able to store what you produce from your solar. Many electric companies (in NJ) don’t want you have too big a solar array because then you’re considered an energy producer and they don’t want to have to pay you back too many credits at a premium later. So having the ability to store some of your production at home would be nice.

@selwynthegreat3748 Год назад

Sounds great! I should be able to get my hands on one of them in about 10-20 years.

@sausage6984 Год назад

Innit

@dany_fg Год назад

me: "my phone is dead and this salad lacks salt" CATL: "say no more"

@zpwslayer9719 Год назад

@superdau Год назад

Call me again when they are actually available to buy. There've been way to many miracle battery announcements over the last decades, which never came true.

@StagnantMizu Год назад

why miracle?? it is science

@Random-zj1bm Год назад

Yes it's true, they only want sponsors for that

@xenuno Год назад

@@StagnantMizu The "miracle" is when the pros vs cons for new tech or new formulations favors the pros in a significant enough manner. If you follow state of the art advances in fusion tech, you will be jaded by the latest "miracles" that are indeed advances but are mere baby steps when good sized hops are needed. Commercial Fusion is always said to be 20 years away but as seen so many times, that estimate is continually reset as the deadline approaches .. and passes

@johncate9541 Год назад

There is no "miracle" here. Na-ion technology works on the same principles as Li-ion. The two elements have the same structure and chemical properties. It was just never cost-effective to develop Na-ion until the demand for lithium went through the roof.

@TsunaXZ Год назад

Lol ppl take the word "miracle" seriously

@docbryant Год назад

I think it would be in the best interest of the electric vehicle industry to first figure out how they are going to meet the increased demand in electricity to charge their vehicles, because it won't come from wind or solar or hydro-electric sources. If you can't charge them, they won't run.

@bb5242 Год назад

No way to charge them all, no range when it is charged. Our future is dismal as long as we keep living this lie.

@richardkaz2336 Год назад

I'll only believe it after only after they come off the production line and have been in use. but being 20% less energy by weight so there will be cars with batteries that will be heavier so more dead weight you will be driving around. Which puts additional limits on the distance you can travel per Kwh.

@EyeTech21 Год назад

That’s true. There are a lot of downsides too. Let’s hope they will find the best solution both for the environment and for the market. Thank you for watching!

@jeffp3999 Год назад

Who says it's all about cars. Cars are only a small part of the market share compared to global grid storage needing TWh.

@biomechanique6874 Год назад

Li-on batteries lose capacity to 70% in a year so Tesla have that disclaimer in the sales contract. 30% dead weight batteries after a year and continued decline until effectively useless in five years.

@jeffp3999 Год назад

@@biomechanique6874 you're talking crap

@biomechanique6874 Год назад

@@jeffp3999 I have over 10 years experience with lithium ion and polymer batteries. Where do you get your authority to accuse others when you know jack sh!t about anything?

@Unknownplayer_0117 Год назад

Imagine that change comes when costs get to high or when people want to keep costs low

@tylerdurden4006 Год назад

I love how everyone is taking turns saying they found the "next big energy" thing but every single one of them have failed.

@VRtechman Год назад

CATL first put out a video about their Sodium Batteries over a year ago on their page. 🤔

@EyeTech21 Год назад

Indeed! They announced their prototype over a year ago. This is an update regarding their plans to mass production. Source: www.caixinglobal.com/2022-10-25/catl-aims-to-mass-produce-sodium-ion-batteries-in-2023-101955814.html

@advertslaxxor Год назад

@@EyeTech21 Plans to, or start of? I am very cautious of these claims, with many, "Look at us! Production Soon(TM)!" marketing materials, yet no actual batteries in sight.

@ryuuguu01 Год назад

The video at 2:44 is the building of hybrid Li, Na pack. Allowing car manufacturers to tune cost vs size and weight. This will allow Car companies to make a cheaper option with less range of the same car cheaply since the battery packs would just differ in weight and energy storage. if you freeze the video you can see the blue packs are labeled Lithium-ion and the silver ones Sodium-ion

@mistercommythecomrade7920 Год назад

I wish new battery tech would happen, I've heard of so many different batteries it's just disappointing to see none of them being mass produced. I've heard of sulfur batteries, solid state batteries, graphene batteries ECT just adopt one already.

@crisbowman Год назад

Lithium is still the best option. The others need technological advancements.

@ABEL-cd2sp Год назад

@@crisbowman gotta agree with you, we understand lithium Ion batteries far better than the rest of these options and we already have the economy of scale required to make them as cheap as possible. Though i agree we need a new more environmentally friendly option, ultimately money will be the deciding factor in all of this.

@mpirron1 Год назад

Hydrogen(H) is the only element gives up electrons easier than Lithium(Li), All other things being equal, which they are not, no element on Earth is ever going to be better than Li. The thing is sodium(Na), is an alkiline metal closely related to Li so they are very close all things being equal. And therein lies the simple truth about the problem... So far, any development that makes a more viable Na battery, makes a better Li battery. Ya ever heard that before? They are lying to you.

@mpirron1 Год назад

They aren't looking for a better battery than Li, because every chemist knows that's probably impossible. There are very few trying to make better Li batteries, which would be the by far better thing for mankind but there's little money in it. What this has resulted in their being pretty much only two companies in the world, Tesla and CATL/BYD working on the problem that would do more for humanity, Wile everybody else on earth is desperately trying to invent a new battery technology that doesn't make better Lithium batteries too, and is lying about it.

@mpirron1 Год назад

If you have thought ahead a bit ahead you may now understand why we're still waiting on this magical battery? It's very possible, and maybe probable, that there will never be a better self-contained, chemical battery. Perhaps we have reached the point of perfection on batteries that the wheel enjoys.

@AceTheOcarinaMaker Год назад

f capacity is a concern with these cleaner batteries then, at least for smaller use cases like flashlights and such, we could always go back to larger batteries, even D batteries instead of the typical AAAs. Just until their capacity catches up. Vehicles are one thing but does anyone really care if their flashlight weighs a extra quarter of a pound?

@mauroscimone8584 Год назад

And Sodium- Sulfur batteries with more energy density will be suitable for higher end customers and performance vehicles and application too! Sodium will be complementary to Li-Ion for a while, meanwhile they will replace traditional Li-ion in the long run for low and high end application for transport and grid storage. With Li-S i hope to be complementary too! This is good to alleviate Lithium Price pressure and to not be dependents on imports for specific production States.

@eventhisidistaken Год назад

If this solves the grid storage problem, then it's a *BIG* deal. I was recently looking at solar, and the batteries are so expensive that it really makes no sense (one of the big reasons for wanting it is to reduce grid reliance). But if home battery costs could be cut dramatically, then home solar starts to make economic sense. Other than batteries, it's already on par with grid power, so that's the game changer.

@diablo.the.cheater Год назад

@@eventhisidistaken Yeah the great problem of renewables is that once you pass 50% energy generation by renewables you start getting diminishing returns unless you have very good grid energy storage

@nickiemcnichols5397 Год назад

@@eventhisidistaken we have solar on the roof. No storage batteries yet. But the power bills are

@eventhisidistaken Год назад

@@nickiemcnichols5397 For me, part of the reason I would want solar is to have less dependence on the grid, so for me, the motivation is a lot less without storage. The amortized cost of solar was going to be more than my current power costs, so it didn't make sense without the grid independence aspect. That said, I had rooftop solar priced, but I have a lot of unused land, and so a small solar farm might make more sense in my case. I know that's a lot cheaper than rooftop.

@bonedoc4556 Год назад

@eventhisidistaken They need to get the cost/return to a level where it makes sense. Most solar systems take at least 20 years of use to cover the cost, and they panels are only rated for 20 years, the batteries for storage are less, depending on type. Portable solar systems for backup sitting idle most of the time are the only cost effective systems until they improve these.

@dougsholly9323 8 месяцев назад

I went out to buy some sodium-ion batteries just the other day. Shockingly, I couldn't find any...

@morkzorckerborg5000 Год назад

ive legit been hearing about this since my environmental geoscience class in high school 15 years ago, will it ever come out... not until it works/ or they can make a boatload of money off the hype

@ChrisDanceMusic Год назад

Ive been waiting on new types of batteries coming out for years now. Wonder when or if these will hit the market

@mpirron1 Год назад

Don't hold your breath. The periodic table of elements shows Lithium to be the penultimatebattery material, Only hydrogen gives up its electron more readily There is No substance. on earth better than Lithium at being a battery.

@twistedthrottle8513 Год назад

i love my lipo4s EVE cells so much juice available no more power bills and last for ever 15 years

@mpirron1 Год назад

@@twistedthrottle8513 Yea, it's good battery tech, not quite as power dense as NMC, but a bit less finicky. You know what the primary difference between your LiFePo and a cell phone or Tesla battery is the cathode material, riight? The lithium is the same. Good battery management is the key. If a cell goes bad and isn't addressed the problem can cascade throughout the pack. One of the biggest issues seem to be the electronic components in the Battery Management System, they just don't seem to hold up. One failed transistor can find a battery not being charged properly, and eventually falling out of spec, and before you know it everythings gone tilt. If a temp sensor fails and the charger starts charging cold batteries the entire pack can be taken out in minutes. The bottom line is Lithium battery technology is not just set it and forget it. But people are. Which is a real problem when a 10-cent capacitor failure can eventually take down a 10k-dollar battery pack.

@mpirron1 Год назад

That being said, lithium is not the problem here it's the electrolyte or the construction of the cell for the anode or the cathode material. It's not Lithium. If you solve all of the construction, anode and cathode problems using sodium, then when you substitute lithium for the sodium the battery will be better.

@michaelcastro5339 Год назад

For electric trucks where an extra 500-1000 pounds wouldn't make a difference, this would be a good solution especially if they made the price cheap enough that no one would care if it's heavier. The problem is the lack of cheap batteries for the end user except in the used cell market. For a house battery who cares if it weighs 1500 pounds if it can store 100kw in addition without any risk of fires. For many homes that could be between a week and a month without power during a blackout depending on how you manage and the weather.

@Gromitz101 Год назад

If you are talking about Semi trucks, they can only be about 80-87k pounds and 1000 pounds less weight for hauling is arguably a big deal.

@KS-45 9 месяцев назад

lol, this is the metal sodium Na NOT salt NaCl sodium chloride. And it has an exothermic reaction with water so yes it can creat a fire and explode as well.

@puppylove3781 Год назад

I remember making a saltwater battery in the 80's separated by paper washers in elementary school. Fun experiment, fun times.

@HD-tm1lv Год назад

Correction 2:20: It's the other way around, lithium moves from the graphite anode to the cathode during discharge

@ericburnsed224 Год назад

Did they mention charging cycle life? Would be curious how they compare to lithium if they don't run into lithium dendrite issues.

@huldu Год назад

I'm sure you can just pop the battery open and cry into it and it'll be good as new.

@nick11crafter Год назад

@@huldu sodium metal, not sodium-chloride. If you cried into it you may lose your face

@111455 Год назад

i think i'l take this news with a big grain of salt

@JTA1961 Год назад

Good one 🧂

@michaelhearmon9965 Год назад

But as the research is from China, I'll take it, with a grain of salt

@elmoomle4565 Год назад

A sodium battery?? That's very sweet news and not salty at all !!

@ChristisKing117 Год назад

One thing to think about is how these batteries react to DEW’s and EMP’s through 5/6g? We know they were highly reactive in Maui

@GeneralLee131 Год назад

Even as it stands, slightly lower energy density vs having to put up with Lithium's random dendrite fires is a big win in my book.

@tray22 Год назад

We could also do without the slave labor that is being used to mine the materials for lithium batteries.

@kleetus92 Год назад

You think sodium won't exhibit similar behavior? LOL

@marktaylor9880 Год назад

I thought sodium formed dendrites faster in fewer charge cycles

@danielharvison7510 Год назад

@@kleetus92 It's...sodium. It simply won't result in a gout of flame when damaged like lithium-ion batteries do. That's just one reason why alternatives are so important. Graphene-ion batteries as well as aluminium-ion batteries are just two more alternatives I know of that are being investigated. Just off the top of my head.

@nela9994 Год назад

Have you ever dropped pure sodium in water? Try it sometime, just, do it from a distance, please, for safety sake.

@ExplainNation24 Год назад

0:40 One Lithium mine has the potential of contaminating 30 million gallons of water per year, If its running 24/7.

@markarca6360 Год назад

Bluetti had already demonstrated a prototype of their portable power station featuring Na-ion batteries during CES 2022.

@mpirron1 Год назад

Then released a Lithium Ion version because Li is better than Na.

@bonedoc4556 Год назад

@@mpirron1 liFePo. Lithium Iron Phosphate

@mpirron1 Год назад

@@bonedoc4556 yea, what about it?

@mpirron1 Год назад

@@bonedoc4556 it does make a damn good battery second place, but only by a nose. Still has the same downsides as other Li-Ion though.

@petrolkopnitro2722 Год назад

Sodium battery was developed and patented in South Africa in 1978 by Dr Johan Coetzer (Zebra battery)

@darkwater234 Год назад

Someone pointed out in another video that when someone talks about pollution or CO2 emissions, they tend to show nuclear cooling towers that are, in fact, just releasing steam. Now I can't un-see it.

@biketech60 Год назад

There should be a ready marketplace for this new technology in fixed , land based energy storage where weight is of little importance . Greater resistance to heat and fire is also a plus .

@fieldie Год назад

I would happily switch to these batteries, even if there was a longevity and/or charge time reduction, simply as I just really don't like using lithium, never have, but you can't avoid it nowadays!

@mydogskips2 Год назад

Same here, but a lot of people simply don't care about other factors and only want the best performance, regardless of the consequences.

@seangriffon6502 Год назад

Lets hope they are much safer than tbe lithum batteries. Too many lithium fires.

@stevecade857 Год назад

I see these batteries being useful for home energy storage. We need lighter batteries for EVs or those with an energy density similar to fossil fuel.

@juliasrouvali1924 Год назад

propably would be more beneficial to figure out a way to harness and reuse fossil fuels burning products while also making those engines a lot more efficient. We won't be able to match energy density of burning with batteries for hundreds of years if it's even possible to do so.

@johnlewisbrooks Год назад

If this is the case I'm excited. I wonder if these batteries will be rechargeable? One use isn't anything to get excited over. I have lithium ions I've used for years. Also, I'm amused at the idea of my laptop being powered by salt lol.

@hf117j Год назад

Salt powered laptop + cod warzone would basically be an infinite energy device, lol

@XX-121 Год назад

regardless of how this video's trying to make it sound, the sodium they are talking about is sodium metal, not sodium chloride (salt). look up videos about sodium and water and you will realize that it's just as if not more dangerous than lithium batteries. (plus heavier) good luck if you get in a car crash in a battery powered vehicle is all i'm gonna say

@johnlewisbrooks Год назад

@trance dj You're right. Battery fires are a nightmare for even seasoned firefighters. You can't just spray water and call it a day. On top of that batteries can sit for decades and catch fire!

@melkiorwiseman5234 Год назад

@@XX-121 Something not mentioned in this video is how work is progressing on using porous glass to contain the electrolyte. I've seen a video of someone literally cutting up a thin-film battery made using "glass electrolyte" technology. The battery smokes at the point where it's being cut and flickers from the short-circuit, but after the cut is complete, it keeps on delivering current and does not catch on fire. With sodium and glass electrolyte technology, next-generation batteries should be much safer than the current Li-Ion cells. Add the ability to take an 80% charge in 15 mins and suddenly long-distance driving becomes less of a problem. Start charging; get a coffee and drink it; come back and continue your journey.

@XX-121 Год назад

@@melkiorwiseman5234 yeah, no thanks? are you one of the millions of morons that has been ignoring all the electricity shortages around the world? and the fact that they still have to burn fossil fuels to make it? and they still have to use oil to haul all the crap use to make electric cars around? and the cobalt mines run by child slave labor... what happens when those dry up? get a grip man. what we need right now is CHEAP GAS. you know like the kind we had before biden took office. yeah thin glass batteries. i'm sure that works great on a bumpy road. once again no thanks

@elktrip2000 Год назад

What are the charge cycles in comparison to lithium iron and lithium ion.

@Austin1990 Год назад

Exactly. This has been the largest limitation with Na+ batteries so far.

@MJGonzalez99 9 месяцев назад

What's the operating temperature? If you live up north in frigid temperatures will the battery stop working? Or if you live down South will it work in the heat?

@vill2980 Год назад

This is hardly anything new actually, but the manufacturing of these products is definitely a step up with better batteries, despite the challenges it posed on production. I guess we just have to see how it goes

@colin_a Год назад

If this is as good as it claims..., I would be seriously annoyed if I'd just gone out and brought an existing £80k-£110k battery EV SUV... When are BMW and Merc going to be using them? We have been waiting for this.., the "miracle" new battery... 🥳

@whatta7793 Год назад

These won't be good for EVs. Too heavy and too little capacity. They'd be good for the energy grid and/or home storage, off grid, etc, though.

@torelethain3848 Год назад

Wow this looks encouraging, also on the bright side, if we ever get low, all we need is for FromSoft to release another GOTY and wait for the PS fanboys to find out. Seriously though a question to be answered is it more resilient to freezing temps than it's counterparts cause that is one of the biggest hurdles for EV adoption as they just are not practical in certain regions.

@Astraeus.. Год назад

ALL batteries have issues with temperatures, too high and too low are both problematic.

@MarcABrown-tt1fp Год назад

I'm pretty sure branch education animated this segment 3:30 in partnership with a university, Not CATL..

@diarmuidphelan9664 Год назад

Use lithium for electronics n cars. Sodium for community batteries for renewable intermittent power storage. If it’s cheaper and needs a market, that’s booming market now, especially in Australia.

@jk35260 Год назад

CATL is mass producing Na ion batteries but they have reported that the batteries can only function optimally at very cold temperature -20 degree C.

@eventhisidistaken Год назад

How much efficiency is lost at room temperature?

@jk35260 Год назад

@@eventhisidistaken CATL did not specify so until we get real engineering data, most of the video are really just opinion based on incomplete facts. Below video provides a more technical analysis. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Nqp3T-MLskw.html

@QImpact Год назад

Lithium-ion batteries only function optimally at 15C to 35C, which is why they are problematic in winter. From my understanding, sodium-ion batteries can function from -20C to 60C. My understanding of the emphasis of the -20C from CATL is because that is a big industry problem they solve, I haven't seen anything that said there is a significant degradation at higher temperatures.

@bobby1970 Год назад

A sodium battery sounds like something that would very easily corrode the rest of the battery, along with the circuits it will power.

@slowery43 Год назад

So glad you chimed in to correct all those brilliant scientists that study this for a living. Remind us where you got your many degrees in chemistry, business, and electrical engineering so we can give you the credibility you claim to have

@bobby1970 Год назад

@@slowery43 I never said or claimed that I had a degree, so stop putting words into my mouth. Just use your common sense. You should know that sodium and electronics never go together. It will definitely corrode everything around it. Most people know that, and so should scientists.

@themomaw Год назад

Now we just need somebody in the US to start making this, and we can really go nuts on renewable energy. Lack of cost-effective grid scale storage has been a major obstacle.

@bb5242 Год назад

I just drove through Iowa past dozens and dozens of defunct windmills. The main bearings wear out and it's extremely costly to repair them, so they just don't bother. All those windmills were erected via government subsidy. As much as I like the idea of renewable energy, you have to look at the practical details and realize that those windmills cost a fortune to construct and required fossil energy to do so and their lifespan is quite limited and will need to be torn down at some point, too. The tax dollars don't currently pay for that part of their lifecycle. To say none of it was ever cost effective would be a massive understatement. It was Obama's Green virtue-signaling. In the real world, it is an environmental disaster.

@themomaw Год назад

@@bb5242 So you're saying we need cheaper ways to service wind turbines. Sounds good. Perhaps some kind of self-erecting system where the entire drive module can climb down the tower to the ground? I hear the blades are also a problem, currently they're mostly made with fiberglass and cannot be restored so they just pile up. These are solvable mechanical engineering and materials engineering problems. The first internal combustion engines were pretty bad too, to the point that steam and electric cars were developed in parallel with gasoline engines for decades. We can't look at the current state of the technology to fully understand what we can achieve in the future.

@CogentConsult Год назад

For the last 10 years we’ve been told that Sodium-ion batteries are going to replace lithium-ion batteries. I give it another 10 years before we see them on store shelves.

@scottsatterthwaite4073 9 месяцев назад

Don't hold your breath! Sodium batteries have very low energy density when compared to other types. That means to achieve the same energy level as lithium batteries, Sodium batteries will need to be nearly twice as big and twice as heavy.

@Number4lead Год назад

When everybody is plugging their cars in to charge, magic ferry dust and unicorn gas will power the power plants to charge then.

@QImpact Год назад

I suppose you also complain about the intermittent nature of some renewable power generation technologies. Ever think to combine your complaints together and see that they complement each other for a net benefit?

@ajbrady4357 Год назад

Nuclear energy wya Oh yeah I agree we have to get rid of cars they aren’t sustainable, EVs won’t save us

@JackF99 Год назад

"We don't currently have the built infrastructure so let's drop the whole EV thing" said the petroleum lobbyist.

@ajbrady4357 Год назад

@@JackF99 honestly let’s do it and go to trains

@ajbrady4357 Год назад

@@JackF99 though EVs are better than a gas car by a lot, they don’t help solve our impending doom from climate change in any significant way

@Techno-Universal Год назад

What’s also interesting to think about is that the first smartphones to use this new battery technology could be released as early as 2024 while Apple might switch to this technology for the batteries in all of their devices in 2025! :)

@fx232 Год назад

Let's not kid ourselves, apple would begin to use them in 2027 but still call it a "brand new and revolutionary change first seen in their products!"

@Techno-Universal Год назад

@@fx232 Yup when in reality Apple have actually been waiting for a few years prior to that announcement for the technology to mature and prove itself with competing devices first! :)

@sprtplt Год назад

If so, you can bet Apple will further doctor the battery gauge to report more juice than actually exists.

@Techno-Universal Год назад

@@sprtplt Maybe but we’ll have to wait and see for now! :)

@MaskHysteria Год назад

Apple will still develop a way to rapidly drain the battery when they want to force their user base to buy the latest model.

@Chalky. Год назад

Great for large scale energy storage, but for the average consumer it'll be seen as a step down in usability of everyday use technology, and being more sustainable just won't be enough to stop the majority rejecting it until price is a massive hurdle.

@srir.5282 Год назад

the thing is lithium price is almost there

@mydogskips2 Год назад

@@srir.5282 And likely going to keep going up.

@mydogskips2 Год назад

Sodium and lithium batteries could be used for different applications depending on the benefits and drawbacks of each situation.

@hewdelfewijfe Год назад

@@srir.5282 There's not enough lithium in estimated worldwide resources and reserves for the amount of battery grid storage we would need.

@themonsterunderyourbed9408 8 месяцев назад

Wake me up when they can mass manufacture these at an affordable cost... Which will probably be not in my lifetime.

@josephheslin9338 Год назад

I find this exciting because some Aussie company is planning to rip up the landscape in my town in search of lithium, and also plans to threaten the water supply as well as its quality.

@Coyote27981 Год назад

Right now what we really need is some extremely cheap batteries, even if weight or power density is bad. Once you can store a huge amount of energy for cheap, lots of options start to open up. Current electric grid wont be able to handle the demand if the current EV adoption continues. But if you can have a huge battery for little money, investing in solar starts to make more sense.

@1pcfred Год назад

What are you talking about? The weight and power density of batteries is already really bad.

@FlashBack7777 Год назад

Simple battery with basic materials for cheap? No matter on weight on density and weight ? Like Lead-Acid batteries ? So that is already there, for a very long time :)

@MichaeljRichter Год назад

Lead-acid is a proven and reliable technology for stationary applications.

@1pcfred Год назад

@@MichaeljRichter indeed and what can be more environmentally friendly than lead and acid? Why it should fill every fresh stream!

@FlashBack7777 Год назад

@@1pcfred lead acid battery is much more environmentally friendly than mining lithium. And they are easy to recycle. 99% of lead batteries are being recycled. While lithium are under 5%.

@MichaelEricMenk Год назад

Think EV just started with salt batteries when it was discontinued. The batteries had to be heated to 300°C to work, and it used about 1kWh a day to maintain the temperature.

@PopularTymn Год назад

That is the old generation sodium ion battery that use sodium-manganese-dioxide to be cathode but its newly generation in 2022-2023 use sodiumferrocyanide as a cathode and hard carbon anode and achieve a low temperature performance, lower weight that can get high energy density as close as lithium ion battery and quicker charge.

@agileplatform Год назад

@@PopularTymn CYANIDE ! That sounds delicious !

@PopularTymn Год назад

@@agileplatform : Cyanide in this form is not toxic to humans because the cyanide groups are tightly bound to iron.

@cedriclynch Год назад

@@agileplatform Sodium ferrocyanide is added to most brands of table salt, to stop it going lumpy in humid weather.

@cedriclynch Год назад

@David Wanklyn I don't think too much salt is bad for health because of the sodium ferrocyanide in it. There is a range of ratios of sodium and potassium in your body that is good for health, and too much salt (which is usually about 99% sodium chloride) can tip this ratio towards too much sodium in relation to the amount of potassium.

@EyeTech21 Год назад

See also: The Latest Silicone Anode Batteries: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ts2vRBhj658.html&pp=gAQB

@beatreuteler Год назад

It is unlikely that Li-Ion be replaced in all applications as far as there are plenty of applications out there that are quite sensitive to energy density and are looking for high capacity. However Sodium currently looks as having a good position to grab a significant share of the market.

@pogart143 Год назад

Right now Li-ion might be replaced only in some cases, when weight isn't important, but price is. But main part of that project is really cool

@PopularTymn Год назад

Hard carbon anode could replace graphite for sodium ion battery.

@jeffp3999 Год назад

Perfect for stationary batteries. The world is going to need TWh of Grid Batteries

@chaz4609 Год назад

Jai Hinduja. HiNa is Hi Sodium.

@johnny22single99 Год назад

ABSOLUTELY----> OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!. 🙂

@icedriver2207 Год назад

they may not have quite as much power, but for small rechargeable items they would definitely be better because they would cut the cost to manufacture and recycle them.

@AndyOfBelmont Год назад

I can see this being successful for a bit of time until we can find a better alternative to Li-ion. But this advancement should have been done decades ago. I remember doing a science project in 6th grade back in 2008 showing how salt water can hold/produce some sort of charge with a multimeter. Thinking back to it, I don't see how full grown adults wouldn't have thought about sodium batteries back then or even earlier than that.

@WastedTalent- Год назад

I did the same project in 6th grade back in the 80's.

@AndyOfBelmont Год назад

@@WastedTalent- just shows how we're more creative during our childhood rather than adulthood.

@tomclanys Год назад

@@AndyOfBelmont no, you just recreated a most basic electrolyte...

@johncate9541 Год назад

They did think about it, but until recently, there was enough lithium to go around and no reason to explore other battery chemistries. No one was going to do so until there was a shortage and thereby money to be made on Na-ion battery tech.

@mpirron1 Год назад

There is no better alternative to lithium on earth, only worse ones that don't start on fire with exposure to air.

@tetsuoshima7385 Год назад

Saw title and first thought this was about Salt Bae being released from prison following World Cup shenanigans 😂

@stickplayer2 Год назад

at 6:06, you say the batteries are more "bulky" because sodium weighs more than lithium. "Bulky" is about size and shape - not weight or mass. So did you mean "heavier", or do they actually require more physical space?

@swampfox8030 Год назад

Can the salt still be mined by child labor? It just wouldn’t feel right any other way.

@MB031 Год назад

Sounds good and that Na ion battery should be 10x cheaper than Lion !!

@raymeadows4383 Год назад

And some people still believe electric is zero emissions

@marcojustiniano7498 Год назад

As a Bolivian i can tell you they have found lithium residue in rural areas drinking water. The lack of regulation and long term thinking means we in trouble.

@nicomeier8098 Год назад

Strange, I've seen other vids in which was explained that these sodium-ion batteries have far, far less energy density then lithium-ion, making them unsuitable for electric vehicles but much more practical for stationary energy storage....? CTL is claiming 160 wh/kg, current li-ion range between 260-270 wh/kg so sodium-ion's would have around 60% energy density compared to li-ion. Translation: your electric car now has a range of 350 km, with a sodium-ion battery that would be reduced to 210 km.

@IIIIIIPETEIIIIII Год назад

If the price is a lot lower and the technology is proven, this is a game changer. Sodium is cheap, easily accessible and in abundance, which is great news from an environmental perspective.

@dingoman3137 Год назад

And we were all called idiots for making these in our basements 10 years ago.

@deydraniadiancecht8298 9 месяцев назад

These batteries weigh 3 times as much as lithium, cost way more, and have way less range. Have fun, EV drivers! Enjoy spending all that money just to never leave your home!

@lockmuertos Год назад

I'll go ahead and hold my breath until the industry actually produces these.

@charlespierce3647 9 месяцев назад

2023 almost done and we still waiting.

@alanG3806 Год назад

If it's cheaper, and the same to make, hard to see CATL letting someone else beat them to market. Might be a couple of years but that's perfectly reasonable in manufacturing timelines.

@joshsantone2266 Год назад

Why would they even have manufactured lithium ion batteries if it wasn't good for the environment. Wtf are ppl thinking. Should be held accountable.

@shan1754 Год назад

It's unbelievable how gullible society has become believing a battery with Sodium can be used as power source. He even explains how the standard lithium batter works, but we shall leave the sodium battery's chemical reaction to a Disney equivalent of an imagination.

@duradel3492 Год назад

your channel is going to blow up. You have great content. God bless.

@EyeTech21 Год назад

Thank you very much❤️

@brooklynbummer Год назад

Talk is about electric auto batteries being the first area of applications but what about consumer products and what can be expected about retail pricing?

@paulroark4686 Год назад

Battery chemist here, sodium is just inferior to lithium and nickel based batteries, this is only an alternative and will not phase out these other types. The batteries will be much heavier than lithium ones which will decrease EV efficiency.

@ericrawson2909 Год назад

Weight and energy density are not a problem for grid level storage, as you are not lugging the batteries around. Cost and efficiency and environmental issues regarding extraction and recycling are more important. Is this the market niche for sodium ion?

@SuperDirk1965 9 месяцев назад

1 year later and still no sodium batteries to be seen...

@shinjireference3568 Год назад

Theres a huge problem with water purification plants in the ocean coasts, there is a ton of salt left over when the salt water is filtered over and over to make fresh water. Could all that left over salt be used for these sodium based batteries?

@KS-45 9 месяцев назад

This is NOT salt, that would be NaCl sodium chloride. This is the Metal Sodium Na, and volatile when mixed with water!