You created the ruleset for this account, and your question revolves around deviating from that ruleset. I do not agree with you skipping something because it is a "Death chunk" that is the point of a chunk account. I hope you do not get those chunks. LMS i think is fine to do 30-50 games a day
Locking herblore is a cop out for an extreme uim, the rolls decide your fate. 100-250 lms wins per chunk roll seems fair to not be stuck on a mini game forever. The pain is part of the fun
But at the same time this is a series and locking yourself to a ridiculous grind that will provide no content is detrimental both to the series and the viewers. No one will want to watch chaos druid content for that long. It would be another story if he had an herblore patch and could get herbs that way. Sure it is the "correct" way to run the xtreme chunk account but at what cost? TOB would also be a ridiculous grind but would actually provide content like the rev grind did.
I say allow it if he's willing to drop the EXTREME and just refer to himself as a "One Chunk." Otherwise, you gotta pray for the chunk RNG and bite the bullet! I'm already a bit disappointed that he didn't grind out the pickaxe through easy clues, it's super attainable at this point.
Herblore - you best hope the rolls are in you're favour, I don't think it should be locked behind TOB For LMS, maybe 100 wins per roll? 50 feels low. use the gang power but i think you should wait and think about it when you get the chunks
Just got home from work, all stressed out. Sat down and saw you just posted this video. Made my day better. Thanks. And it's an hour long, thanks big dawg.
You should complete LMS capes before moving on. You’ve spent months in other chunks so that’s not an argument, and seeing your progression as a pker would be entertaining. For integrity, stick to your rules and 100% the chunk once you’re 1500
Dont forget this is a series and his livelihood and throwing that away to kill chaos druids for 2 years to appease 0.1% of people who want him to never make an exception is stupid.
You've already had other players help you with wildy content and implings - don't bend the rules even more by dodging the herblore grind. I understand it's not the most ideal grind for content, but avoiding the ruleset you agreed to just for content's sake kind of cheapens the whole idea behind your account type. At the end of the day it's your account and you can do what you will with it, but I'd certainly be more than a bit put off if you started backlogging content just because it's "not interesting". I can't speak for everyone, but I feel like your audience understands the type of content that comes along with extreme chunk accounts and are here for you at the end of the day. I know that I'll keep watching if you keep chunking. GL out there fam, and may the chunk rolls be ever in your favor.
Should have had Alienfood do the math, he’d be like “I have no clue what the drop rate is, you just have to do barrows 1 million times and hope you get something”
Oh hell yeah we ball with this one. I personally don't think either exceptions you mention in the video should be done while still calling it an xtreme onechunk; think you'd have to "downgrade" that status at that point. Totally get the reasoning, and would probably prefer you to give us more content rather than finishing crazy grinds, but gotta call things what they are. Also, I love how Josh manages to sneak into so many videos, everyone loves the fun fact guy.
If you get herblore, see you in 2 years of chaos druids. Don't chicken out of your own ruleset. Also, you alted revenant caves *and* soul wars. You said you'd do 50 wins per chunk in LMS.
@@Diggydogsp He did at least 80k or so killcount at revenants for a drop log. Verf and Limpwurt have committed months to death chunks and took years to escape their starting chunks and made good videos out of it. You're goddamn right, I don't just want him to do 2 years of chaos druids, I EXPECT him to if he doesn't unlock farming for seeds first or ToB first.
As for your herblore question Fray, you've started a one chunk, gotta stick with the Rnjesus of the chunk picker my friend :) as for LMS, i think forget about the winners capes for the chunk, complete the rest of the collection log, then maybe do 50 wins per chunk after to complete the capes. Keep it up man, definitely my favourite series at the moment! really like the long episodes too, creates alot of anticipation.
I think herblore should be done whenever unlocked, LMS cape can be done in increments of 100 or whatever number seems reasonable. I also think you could get some help from friends to greenlog in just a few months.
@@Void_Delphox he cannot. the first fragment of the map, which you need to complete the map, is after you visit the ship, in his black skull chunk in northern morytania.
@@hugmynutus People cared, some didn't notice it I reckon. But it isn't one exception that kills the series but if you make too many you water down the series. After all, it is his decision but I expect him to make a video about it and officially re-name the series to softcore or something.
You really want limpwurt to show you up? He already out did your range exp when you mentioned you had the most. Imagine if you began to take shortcuts with herblore and lms.... YOU WOULD NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT! Limp spent 2 years before his first episode came out killing 500k men and wemon in lumbridge for 99 def.... and endless hours for 99 wc.... then spent almost 2 years at Kalphite.... and we all still love his content. Maybe you could make another mini series to upload during the tedious grinds to keep your channel going during slow grinds. Also VERF spent over a year in the catacombs... now he is stuck mining lovakite ores for probably another year..... YOU CAN DO IT. DONT BACK OUT NOW!! 💯💯💯💯
“I mean, d’ya know what? D’ya know what? That’s like, not eeeven actually… like…… like that’s so good! Ah, it’s not that good, like it is so good…!” @0:49 gold
Something I love about your series is the minimal amount of exceptions. You do EVERYTHING it's possible to do in the chunks you have unlocked. That makes it not only more impressive but also way easier to keep track of. I recently went back and started watching slay bro's one chunk series and remembered why I quit before, he had so many inconsistencies and exceptions that he would just make up on the fly, and it made the account basically pointless. He'd make exceptions like not doing MTA because he couldn't get runes consistently enough, but then a few chunks later with loads of runes he'd still not have done it. It just makes the account seem completely pointless and impossible to keep track of as a viewer. Ultimately you should do what you think is best, and I for one will watch regardless what you choose. Priority one is your mental health and not getting burnt out, but tbh having seen the grinds you've done on this account I can't really imagine that being possible. With all that said though, my opinion is: - The TOB exception seems like a cop out plain and simple. - The LMS exception has more validity since it is reliant on other players, and you're already sort of making an exception by not grinding out 1500 total to do it straight away. I wouldn't mind you fully ignoring LMS on that basis. I think getting the uniques (-capes) seems like a valid route too, but if you're going to do the capes at all I would vote to just do them all in one grind. I still loved your videos when you were just grinding out vetion for multiple episodes so I believe you could make good content out of it still.
Fray, you chose Extreme One Chunk. This is why we watch you. The stupid grinds, don’t worry about frequency of uploads. Do a spin off series to fill the gaps if you must. Don’t ruin the account.
Herb grind looks miserable, but please at least see where the dice roll with the chunk picker and when it gets to it , do a poll , or make the hard decision... This is the only chunkman series I watch and your sheer dedication to getting through , especially with wilderness arc is what makes it special. Doing an exception that loose , will ruin the magic at least for me.
You play the path the chunk picker decides for you? That’s why each chunk account is very different and the reason why we watch. We want to see these absurd grinds!
RE: LMS I like option 2 - I do think it's the most entertaining option. Herblore - you best hope the rolls are in you're favour, I don't think it should be locked behind TOB
That Dr Jeckly haha. You need to talk to random events outside the bank, they autodespawn if interacted with inside a bank (depends on location as well)
@@herwin3546 very interesting i always assumed it broke after you touched the bank teller not location specific. Will keep that in mind since thats actually kinda op for restricted accounts getting staminas for pool
I love that I've seen multiple people shoutout AlienFoods series recently for lore/universe knowledge, as well as shoutouts to your series in others' videos. I love seeing the community coming together to promote each others' series when they're all such good content and stand together so well.
I’d hold off on changing the rules now, but reserve the right to decide at the point you unlock herblore. For LMS, maybe 100 wins per roll? 50 -feels- low. It may be good to see some math on if you unlocked herbore right now, what it world take to complete it. Also it may be time to start prepping for an herblore grind, it breaks up the content at the same time that it makes your future life easier
Agree on the 100 wins. 50 feels like postponing it for a couple years for no reason. Maybe drop it to 50 for "corner content " chunks , where you can't really do anything in ?
@@antoinecrestani2311100 but only when a chunk has any unlocks. if corner content/no unlocks no wins is what i would suggest. or at least do them when you get a grind instead of right away as imagine getting 5 corners and having to just go do more lms with no new content 5 seperate times.
Great episode, Fray! I can't believe the streak you went on without dupes. Absolutely insane. My thoughts on the concept of an herblore grind is that you should just wait and see how the chunks roll. If it comes down to it, and the best method is chaos druids for two years, that's when you get to make the choice as a content creator (and someone who has to keep their sanity) on what is best for you, the account, and the content. I'd recommend against doing anything crazy to kind of force yourself into rolling ToB and Nightmare (like changing to roll 2 pick 1), and just play it by ear when you get to it. The chunk community and those who watch the content aren't as strict as one might think when it comes to enforcing rules onto creators they enjoy, so I wouldn't think too heavily into it. Nobody's unlocked herblore yet, so you can just straight-up be like "welp, herblore is passive for me" and that would probably suffice for most people. Especially if you give yourself a trigger to when it becomes active, like unlocking ToB. On a similar note, for LMS, I personally wouldn't want to watch months of PKing content, and I absolutely love this game. I could only imagine how showcasing months of PKing in LMS would kill viewership, and that's super important for you. I like the concept of X number of wins per chunk roll, but IF you even decide to require all capes, I would think a number like 100 wins per chunk roll would make it much more of an active task for the account, and ensures you'd finish it within as little as 10 chunk rolls. Either way, I think people will just be happy you're still carrying forward with the account, because a lot of us love your content. Good luck on Barrows and the future chunk rolls!
I'll also say this: the differences between backlogging certain content compared to others really only matters when content you unlock in other chunks would help another grind of yours. You won't benefit at LMS at all by doing it slowly and unlocking other chunk content. Herblore would definitely be free if you got ToB second after unlocking herblore first. That's a huge difference.
CanifisChunk drinking game: 1 sip every time Fray says "Barrows" 1 shot whenever Fray says a weird British curseword Finish your drink whenever Fray get's a new collection log and says "Ooh" at the same time Remember to set up your puke bucket beforehand!
@@didrosgaming4063 I was just lazy reading, I think that was with purely cleaning herbs so I deleted it, I'd guess Fray would need to calculate average kills to see average amount of herbs and I believe if he does unlock Herblore he can get secondaries for every herb at least.
when it comes to the herblore, play it as the chunk roller gives it. this is the first time we've heard of the original name you had, and as we know it, 20+ episodes deep, its an extreme 1 chunk. go by extreme 1 chunk rules. unless youll quit from the grind.
Imo you need to do the 99 herblore cape if you roll it dude. Kinda the nature of the gamemode that you get things in a bad order sometimes. Would certainly be a bit of a jarring exception. Also there could be a cool way you find to get herbs faster, like you did with the imps in Puro, which would be great content :) LMS on the other hand seems a bit out of place in one chunk accounts, the activity itself doesn't even take place within the chunk - it's within some sort of liminal space between chunks. Also the rewards seem kinda op for one chunk men... unlimited resources etc.
@@Tatercon Or he could start a new series. Or change the ruleset going forward to no skillcapes or something (as long as he's transparent and clear about it in the future). But making exceptions on a series like this just takes a lot of the intrigue away. Like, the jeopardy of whether he's gonna roll a bad chunk or not is kinda the reason it's good content.
You can't call yourself extreme if you start wussing out on grinds for the sake of the videos. If you get the grind, you gotta do the grind - or at least figure out how to make it faster. ChunkYanille got the fishing death chunk, but worked out how to smash it. He also get castle wars, which he also green logged. You've got a big enough group behind you that you could smash through LMS wins (although 50-100 wins per episode I could understand), but that herblore grind - you gotta do it man.
Bit weird to give chunkyanille as an example when they arent extreme in the first place and habe backed out on puro xD Not that i mind, i absolutely think that small ruleset changes from limpwurts series are necessary since his way of doing things just does not allow for a content creator friendly schedule, espec one where they are making a living off of it
You made a chunkman for a reason, I think you should work through the slog that is lms at once instead of spacing it out. Imo doing otherwise breaks the spirit of the account if shitty grinds can just be spaced out just because they suck.
Gotta do the tasks which is given to you as an extreme hardcore, dont start making special rules which takes the intregrity of your account awey. This is the rules which makes your series extremly impressive so DO NOT start bending the rules.
FYI, Dr Jekyl dissappears when you use a bank so even if you were quicker, he still would have dissappeared, you need to carry the torstol on you, he wont let you bank.
The really long ridiculous grinds are why people enjoy these types of series. We don't wanna go through that pain ourselves, but you better believe we want to watch someone else do it.
I think a “rolling backlog” for something like the LMS capes would make sense. Add each cape task to the backlog and you need to get one of them for each subsequent chunk roll, breaking up the larger milestones by 10 wins per chunk and then 50 wins per chunk after 50 or 100
Personally I just bring a ppot (2) or (3) for if the tunnel is Dharrok. My route is usually D > A > G > K > T > V so I have prot prayers for the dangerous brothers first, and am out by the time I reach Verac who ignores your melee prot. GL on the chest grind!
I like both ideas. For the herblore restriction, maybe say that the taverly members gate is locked until you've got TOB or something like that? It would restrict you from going further west, but that would reduce the time to get to TOB (as you won't have as many options in the chunk picker) The idea of a minimum of 50 LMS wins per chunk is good. more consistent (and less repetitive) videos for us. It also changes those "free rolls" into something a bit of effort.
I love the series so much! When I saw the special guest was Josh I literally went "woohoo" you two are amazing content creators! Love the special guest!
So, on the exceptions you talked about: For Herblore, I'm of two minds about it. On the one hand, it's definitely not the "pure" way to play the account. On the other, this is your account and your rules, and IMO it feels wrong to say no for "purity" reasons. If you want to meet in the middle, I'd suggest calling 2 years of chaos druids a meme grind and waiting until you have a better way to get herbs and secondaries, BUT you lock yourself out of actively training the skill. You can use whatever herbs you get naturally, but you can't go grind to get enough herbs for a level to unlock a potion, unless those herbs are going to be for an amount of potions that you will reasonably use in the future (like a bunch of prayer potions). Or just don't train the skill at all until you have a better method. For LMS, yeah, I think the win capes shouldn't be done all at once. It's just not good content, this isn't primarily a PvP channel, I doubt most people are going to want to sit through a ton of videos on LMS, and it's not as entertaining as even watching you go dry at revs since we don't get to laugh at how RNG has decided it hates you in particular. 50 wins a chunk seems like a good compromise, but I would also suggest that if you get the other entrance (I think it's just south of Edgeville? Never done LMS so IDK), you need to do an extra 50 because it's directly related to your chunk.
Evening Fray, Just wanted to comment that most random events instantly disappears if you open the bank or store take out stuff from the bank. (Not entirely sure which it is). Additionally the frog random event seems to be the only random event that does not allow you to go up stairs as they will instantly disappear if you do so.
This is making me want to break out my own old chunk account. I actually did roll the Barrows chunk, and was working on getting several sets, when I burned out.... that was many years ago now. And I wasnt an extreme chunker, so you have me beaten there!
I dont get backlogging herblore you have 1 herb patch and chaos druids. Hopefully you get lms before that do you can hop over for some wins when druids gets boring
I don't think you should decide the herb until the time comes. As for LMS capes, I think the best way to make it fun for you, viewers, stream, etc would be doing 1 day per week be LMS, and you get 2 wins per total level you got that week. That puts you finishing it at 2k total, a community event every week, plus you'd be doing more "LMS break" per week during your huge grinds (herb, smithing, etc).
I think 99 Herblore should be backlogged until you get an Herb patch to grow your own herbs. As for the LMS capes, I agree with the 50 wins per chunk. That will help build tension as you need to get 50 wins before rolling again when you would formerly have no chunk rolls.
If you skip herblore or the 1000 win cape you need to add a blender sequence of your character getting castrated to your intro. It's your choice but that's the condition.
For LMS do each tier of the cape once a month, so the winners cape has to be gotten, but you can do it as a side project as you do each of the next few chunks
Skipping herb would be disappointing. If it's bleak when you get there, polling makes sense and would consider voting skip if you laser beamed straight there. But try to stick with it, your tenacity in past chunks is part of what makes the series great. LMS for all but capes and then wins/roll also sounds good.
You’re an extreme one chunk. If you unlock LMS you have to complete it before you roll again. and if you unlock 99 herblore you have to do it. Or change and be a normal one chunk account with restrictions (like Josh)
Gotta agree with a lot of what everyone else is saying. No backlog for herblore. I would be slightly more forgiving with LMS, but I still think at least full green log of items and 500 wins, then if next time you get to a big chunk you want to do the other 500 wins with that chunk, I wouldn't mind. I think everyone is pretty excited to see LMS content.
I'd lock herblore. But not behind TOB. Treat it like the LMS idea. Do 100 LMS wins per chunk, get 1m Herblore XP per chunk. It'd take two months for chunk rolls based on herblore alone, but you'd actually be able to progress a bit.
I like the idea of locking herblore behind ToB, since I quite enjoy the series and just getting chaos druid clips for 2 years sounds a bit depressing. I do however also think that ToB is so far away (and quite unlikely to roll) that this'd mean we'd potentially have to have herblore unlocked for years before you're allowed to train it, which also feels odd to me. Perhaps you can do something akin to the LMS suggestion of doing X amount of herblore per chunk roll, so we aren't stuck on it until ToB? It's not a very elegant solution though. As for the LMS I'd definitely also prefer the 50+ wins per chunk roll, so we get more varied content. It sounds like a nice compromise.
1. You can buy bolt racks from Ak-Haranu in Port Phasmatys. 2. I think you can't arbitrarily lock yourself out from getting those Herblore chunks. If you started this series as like "I can't cross the River Salve until I've completed Mortytania," it would have been a different story. 3. I like your LMS idea. Get everything except the win capes, then 50 at a time.
Unfortunately if you start making exceptions it is no longer an extreme one chunk. I'd like to not see your videos go like slaybrother where he started making exceptions.
While I do believe that 2 years of Chaos Druids is a complete and utter meme, Herblore shouldn't be blocked by ToB, you should be preparing for that possible grind and start doing the math for the herbs and secondaries you can obtain and where to slowly chip at them. Also the LMS grind you should also be doing it now as you complete chunks, as it has a lot of useful stuff. I've seen other people say 100 LMS matches per chunk and that sounds good, but it also shouldn't stop you from doing a couple more of you like it.
i personally think the 50 win a chunk or more depending on the grind ahead is a good idea, because like you said, they are kind of dependent on other players to do. for herbs... if you get a source of seeds and a farming patch before those chunks, then id say go for it (or at least reweigh your options then)
for lms i think either idea that isn't just staying there would be mineable. As for the herb its up to you/others but personally i'd be fine seeing it be held off but you would need to think of it a bit. Does "locking" it mean not letting yourself use herb (only monster pot drops) or does it mean casually using what you get till 99
I think lms capes are fair to backlog and get over time. I think herb is what it is, it’s tough to justify backlogging. It could be a long time before you roll those three chunks.
a good plan for your 2 hypothetical chunk problems (herblore and LMS) are these: herblore becomes a passive task. you don't have to farm for the herbs but every chunk roll you use all the herbs/secondaries in your bank to get as much herb EXP as you have banked until you roll TOB, this lets you get herb EXP without having a 2ish year grind at chaos druids but still letting you advance towards the cape every chunk. For LMS I think you should have to win 20-50 games per chunk roll (20 wins would be 50 chunks to complete 50 wins would be 20 chunks)(if you roll a nothing chunk wait till you roll a chunk with tasks and add those wins to that chunk too). But when you hit 1500 you should get the collection log finished except the capes.
