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@@brucechimerofsky5475I think they are both in the wrong. Think of a cellphone, how fast does that battery need a replacement, how long do they take to charge? Good points for EVs, good points for Normal cars. EVs are very cheap second hand. And they are many of them out there, but why are there so many out there? Why do people dump the evs? Hybrid Camry is a great value for mpg and for reliability. BMWs are not reliable. Just some thoughts.
Correction, he's not wrong entirely. The battery costs 5-7k, but the mechanics will upcharge you like nobody's business to install it. So often it WILL cost you that much.
@@brianbeasley7270 too be honest I atuly think the idea is good having electric car but like all new investors problem's but this happened with all new things the on real issues are the possibilities of higher people be able to control your travelling by the 5G network As stated in some conspiracy So apologies I wasn't trying to trash the idea but it's still a child at the moment .
@@redwingzfn I'm one of those and I assure you I am going down without a fight. After thirty years of this nonsense I've had enough. I hope this nonsensical industry implodes. I have heavily invested in Tesla and will be just fine.
I've been tryin to get someone to do this for years, hard to be 1 of billions in public that don't have much to go off of lol.. THANX BEN! He is ruining the name Scott for me!
@@crazycoastie Woah, no need to throw Doug Demuro some strays because you don’t like his quirks and feature and Doug Score. That’s apples to oranges. Doug enjoys some EVs as commuter vehicles and the way they democratize acceleration to the masses.
@@crazycoastiewow bro you just through Dough under the bus & by the way your boy Ben also Fan/friend of Dough. I love both Ben & Dough. Scotty kind of always high 😉
I own an EV and and ICE vehicle with very similar dimensions. Both are 5-door hatchbacks and the only major difference is that the EV is about 300kg heavier. And that's where the comparison stops. Everything about the EV is superior. Everything. When I have to go out somewhere I always take the EV. When we both have to go out somewhere it's a race to get to the EV. The EV has cost $363 Australian (just over $200 USD) to run for a whole year (17,300km , 10,000+ miles) and has travelled more distance than the ICE vehicle, which cost $900.00 for the whole year. Both cars had a service. The EV service was part of the original purchase deal, so was zero outlay. The ICE service was $600.00, which included replacing a hard to access fuel filter. The battery in the EV is warranted for 8 years but recently published data indicates that I will probably get twice that lifetime. I've never kept a vehicle that long. I charge the EV in my garage, under the main house roof, because I am completely unconcerned about it catching fire. I have solar power and charge at home.This year has been unusual for us and included far more travel long distance travel than an average year, hence the $363 operating costs. In a typical year I would spend about $120 at fast chargers and the rest of my charging would be free. So, I don't put pressure on the grid, I don't pour my paycheck down the neck of my car and watch it come out of the tailpipe as vapours, I haven't had a fire, I haven't spent a cent on maintaining the EV and I'm selling my ICE. We will be buying a second hand EV, possibly one that is coning off a lease, and we will be a two EV family. Scotty has an agenda and I'm not going with it.
@@jplacido9999 Don't hold your breath. The facts are on my side. Instead, given that the facts are not on your side, you might want to regularly check on that gas car of yours...
Did he mention how much a replacement engine costs for an ICE car? Audi charged someone £30,000 for a replacement engine after the original one blew up after two years.
To be fair, it is FAR less likely to get a dud ICR engine than to get a dud battery in an EV. The good news is that this will soon be a non issue. MG now offers a lifetime warranty on the battery, which should be 15 years / 300k miles. So it not only covers the first time buyer but the subsequent owners as well. That will help residual value, and therefore purchasing decisions. I expect other car manufacturers to follow suit. These guys know exactly how often the battery fails… the cost of the warranty is negligible next to the advantages of giving your customers peace of mind.
@@kaasmeester5903 exactly how many dud batteries are there? And the dud only hurts a consumer if it somehow waits till after 8 years or 100k to be a dud.
Scotty spews nonsense about EVs all the time, although he is not alone on what he thinks and says. Thanks for fighting back with facts on this nonsense FUD.
I have had my Model Y since 2020 and have had no repairs or issues. Only expense has been tires. I seriously don’t think I could go back to an ICE car. I would miss so much, like pet mode, instant acceleration, software updates, autopilot, etc. I moved to Tucson a little over a year ago from San Diego, and frequently drive back and forth. What an easy trip. Tesla’s electric charging infrastructure makes charging a breeze, but it is getting more crowded at some of the chargers, especially in San Diego.
Move to Montana, or Wyoming, or the UP of Michigan, then tell me how much you love it. Seriously, mandating EVs is the only way you'll get them into people's homes, and they are NOT usable across most of the states in the USA.
@@spazoq So somehow you think the USA can maintain a network of fuel stations up in utterly remote areas (fuel that has to be trucked in over thousands of miles) but can't just stick a few chargers in, using existing electrical infrastructure?
@@drunkenhobo8020 Gas stations are 300 miles apart. You can't have EV stations 300 miles apart. Gas Stations are manned, nobody can steal the pumps. EV stations are unmanned, they will get vandalized. Both Wyoming and Montana laughed at the federal government's proposed requirements. You can't argue with reality. Sorry.
@@spazoq I’d imagine that by the time it’s TRULY mandated in those states, most of your concerns would have been ironed out. Even now, there are multiple EVs rolling out with over 350 miles of range. Not to mention all manufacturers will be using the NACS, and Tesla’s charging infrastructure is rock solid and will continue to grow and improve. (most likely) But today, I agree that in certain parts of the country having an EV isn’t ideal, but that doesn’t take away from how phenomenal of an experience they are to operate for those in states with far better weather and inexpensive electricity.
I''m thinking of replacing my EV with an ICE (gas/diesel) car and have some questions: 1. ICE cars cannot refuel while you sleep or directly from solar power during the day. How often do you have to refill elsewhere and is it expensive? Will there be a solution for re-fuelling at home by 2030? 2. How often will I need to service? The salesman mentioned engine oil, timing belts, a clutch and transmission with oil. How much will this service cost - and what happens to the used oil? Is there any risk of it leaking? 3. Apparently these ICE cars stop on the brakes alone - so how long will the brakes last compared to my EV which can last over 250,000 km thanks to regenerative braking. 4. In a petrol or diesel car, do I get some fuel back when I slow down or drive downhill? 5. The car I test drove seemed to have a delay from the time I pressed the accelerator until it began to accelerate. Is that normal in petrol cars? 6. Is it true that petrol & diesel is so flammable that you can only buy it at a special filling station, and not anywhere like hotels, car parks, home, work, holiday parks? 7. I understand the main ingredient in petrol is oil. Is it true that the extraction and refining of oil causes massive environmental problems as well as conflicts and major wars that over the last 100 years have cost millions of lives? 8. I have also been told that you have to transport oil all over the world to turn into petrol or diesel, and these huge ships have, in the past, caused massive environment destruction by leaking oil. Is that true? 9. I have been told that these ICE engines make a noise when you start them - so early starts can wake people up, and driving a lot of ICE cars makes towns noise polluted? 10. Is it true that people can steal the fuel from your tank? 11. I've heard that ICEs are only 32% efficient at best on a highway, but they can be lower than 10% efficient in city start-stop traffic. Most of the energy is lost as heat, which seems extremely wasteful. Can this be fixed somehow? 12. The exhaust emissions from ICEs have been proven to contain toxic particulates and Nitrogen oxide which is extremely harmful. They also release CO2 emissions which haVe been proven to drive global warming and associated climate change.Can these emissions be stopped? If I can get all of the above answered and it turns out there are no downsides to owning a ICE car, I may consider buying one.
Excellent questions, would-be ICE buyer! Unfortunately, I think ICE cars may not be for you. You have to have a value system called being a TFM - also known as a Total ... I'll let you fill in the rest -- in order to appreciate the many upsides of ICE cars. Here are the big upsides, and I bet you will not find them to be all that appealing, because you appear to have a value system of an RP, or Rational Person: 1. ICE cars make loud noises. To an RP, there is no appeal to this, but to a TFM, this is endlessly funny, even after the 9,000th time they "rev" their engine by stepping on the accelerator. "Huhuh huhuh, listen to the loud sounds I can make just with my foot! Aren't I manly?! LOOK AT ME!!!!!!" -Typical TFM. 2. ICE vehicles often (but not always) make clouds of smoke when you drive them. They even have tuning kits and well documented processes you can follow to make the clouds thicker and darker. Since the main point of owning a car is to get people to look at you, obviously a darker, larger cloud of exhaust is better. It's even worth investing thousands of dollars in additional fuel costs and powertrain modifications to achieve this. 3. The delay upon accelerating is a feature, not a defect. It allows the slow, lead-addled brain of the TFM to catch up with the fact that the car is moving, and react accordingly with steering inputs. TFMs would be extremely dangerous indeed behind the wheel of an EV. 4. The oil we use to fuel ICE vehicles is plentiful and cheap RIGHT NOW, so it doesn't matter how much of it might be available in the future. It isn't important, either, that we use that same material in important areas like pharmaceuticals, electrical generation, and the construction of buildings and highways, and might be preciously needed in the future if it becomes rare due to our hasty expenditure of it now. In other words, because it's fine RIGHT NOW, we should keep doing it without worrying what might happen in the future! Drill, baby, drill! 5. The media have conditioned us to believe that modern ICE vehicles with average fuel economy are "efficient" and "sustainable." Driving them doesn't hurt the environment; look how shiny and clean new vehicles look! Something that pretty couldn't possibly have any problems, in the mind of a TFM! 6. By the reasoning of a TFM, each person is only one person, and the difference between one person using an ICE or an EV is inconsequential for the environment. Only if many thousands, or, heck, millions of people all use ICE vehicles in unison, will they actually become any sort of potential future hazard. But I can't solve the problem alone; I can't make a million other people stop driving ICE vehicles; so why should I do anything differently? It won't make a difference if I do or not! If they're a problem, I'm not causing it, the other 999,999 people are. And if it isn't a problem, like my favored politicians say, then this is a bunch of hullaballoo about nothing anyway! 7. "My dad and my grandfather both drove ICEs and they were fine, so I should be fine doing it, too, right?" Well, there are some things I've heard that give me reasons to doubt that, but if we can at least squeeze in just ONE more generation of people using ICE cars, then I can keep using them until I die, and then I don't have to think about all these other things that are hard to think about, like "change", because I'm a TFM. 8. It's possible to buy an ICE that's cheaper than the cheapest EV, like a Honda Fit or a Chevy Spark, or various Chinese makes. Since the only thing that matters in determining the superiority of a powertrain is which powertrain can produce a car for the cheapest MSRP, ICEs win. In the mind of TFMs, anyway. 9. There are more ICEs on the road than EVs by a long shot. You don't want to be someone seen as weird or different, do you? It's important to fit in, and do what most other people do. Therefore, you must get an ICE, as TFM thinking goes. 10. ICE manufacturers have already solved the so-called climate problem! They did it very well, and there are many affordable options on the market. It's called a Hybrid vehicle. TFMs only read physical newspapers from 10 years ago for their news, so they aren't aware that Hybrids have long been surpassed in efficiency by PHEVs and EVs. Therefore, if you are one of the minority of people who actually believes all that science hoo-ha, go ahead and get one of those Hybrids. The best thing about a Hybrid is, you can get better fuel economy (which is great if you don't make a lot of money), but you can still drive it exactly the same way you would drive a conventional vehicle. You don't have to change anything about your life, or even think about what change might mean. Change is uncomfortable, and Hybrid manufacturers don't want to make you uncomfortable. If you're a TFM and you do want to feel good and save some money in your wallet, the best thing you can do is buy a Hybrid. Given that the assumptions and values that underlie these statements are completely at odds with the ones you put on display in your comment, I think you should probably stick with an EV. After all, change is bad and scary, and you already have an EV, so why take the risk and terrify yourself needlessly with a change, when you can just stick with the familiar and keep using your EV?
Ben, I’ve been thinking of ways to combat the “it takes 8-9 hours or days” to charge argument. As you said, we replenish what we use on a daily basis, and we don’t go from empty to full every week or longer as with an ICE car. So if I were to drive a gas powered car an average of 40 miles per day like you mentioned, and then stopped at the gas station at the end of every day to put the two gallons back that I used, it would be a nuisance. I’m trying to make the point that the refueling process for each type of vehicle is on the opposite end of the spectrum. Too often, people either intentionally or ignorantly use an improper comparison.
Maybe some company that lead and mattered will fix most of these issues before they go bankrupt. Just don't rush replacing that EV, we'll know for sure in just a few years.
One little tip I learned the hard way regarding the placement of a high-powered outlet to charge your EV: WhenI was waiting for my first Tesla to arrive after ordering it, I had an electrician install a NEMA 14-50 outlet to charge it from. The breaker box was right in my garage but up by the driver’s side front of my car, so I had him run a line about 16 feet or so back to where the car’s charging port would be and put the outlet there. Then when I got my car, I just took the then-included mobile connector, plugged it into my new 14-50 outlet, …and wrapped the 20 foot long cord repeatedly around a pair of hooks in the wall so I wouldn’t have more cable flopping about than the couple of feet I needed to reach my charge port. It was only then I realized I could have saved myself a couple hundred bucks by just installing the outlet right at my breaker box and running my mobile charger cable through a series of hooks along my garage wall back to where the car’s charge port would be.
@briangonigal3974 not advisable to loop a high amp cord while in use as it could get hot from the magnetic field feeding back into it because you made it into an electric coil
@@tellucas Highly unlikely for that to cause any issues, a working cable like that is fairly inert as far as an EMF is concerned, as it has "both directions" of the operating fields cancelling out the vast majority of any interference. Not claiming it's perfect cancellation*, but you'd have to be rocking some serious current to create anything dangerous. The more plausible danger is kinking the cable, creating high-resistance areas that get hot. * - look at multi-core twisted pair data cables, like cat5/6. They are carefully balanced and twisted to the correct frequencies for their operation, so as to diminish as much interference as possible. So, a power lead isn't going to be "balanced", but it does naturally reduce a lot of it.
@@tellucas I haven’t had any issues charging my Tesla with this set-up since 2018, although I should clarify that “wrapped repeatedly around a pair of hooks” was a bit of a simplification: I actually have the cord wrapped once around a cabinet that’s mounted on the wall next to the outlet, then the remaining excess is wrapped around a pair of hooks that are mounted on the side of the 3’ high cabinet at the top & bottom edge. When not charging the cable is looped around these hooks twice, when plugged into the car it’s really only looped one & a half times.
Hi, I ask you to call your local BMW dealer to replace your MY 2017, 27kWh I-3 battery pack. The dealer in Austin quoted me $20,000, including non warranty cables, connectors and misc parts. That's the total price of the battery/labor/parts to install it, plus a 60-90 day wait period while the battery ships. The 5-7k I am guessing is for the battery only (?). The warranty doesn't Include all of the cables/connectors for the new high voltage pack. Don't forget to include the cost of a rental while waiting for your battery to ship....nothing spelled BMW is cheap.
@@GOLFandWRX He’s just a EV fanboy attacking an old man. The i3 replacement pack and labor for 2013-2016 model was approximately $16,000 from I read on Google. Never mind the cost to INSURE a EV vehicle of any make/model.
The YT business model is about getting views, so there is incentive for him to continue to just tell his audience what they want to hear, and his audience wants to hear that EV's are bad.
@@specialkonacid6574 Because they are getting better at a decent rate, whereas ICE are tapped out. Build costs of EVs are crossing over that of ICE, and will continue to improve. Coupled with the lower cost of ownership, that will make them a no-brainer in the years to come. The only holdup in the USA is the availability of lower-end models. If Detroit doesn't get off their butts and build them, foreigners will build them in North America somewhere. The current push for hybrids is a stalling tactic, might just work. They're the worst of both worlds, but at least they make dealers happy so they preserve their service business.
4.5yrs on my 2020 MYP, still using 110v...12amps, gets me more than enough for dailies. On avg, I supercharge 3% per year, so primarily superoffpeak... zero charge, free charger that came with it. No issues, no concerns, no anxiety. I wish folks would stop scaring ICE owners. It's completely a non-issue. It sucks, I wish ppl would just get an EV, plug it in at home and experience the simplicity. Maybe one day :/
You assume people live in homes. And for those cases, yes it would be practical, but what about the people that live in apartment buildings? Not all of them have garages, and not everyone can spend time at a charging station regularly. I used to have to go from one place to another all the time due to work, and could never spend a long time charging. While pumping diesel would be faster. It will always depend on what the objective is. There are instances where ICE is more practical, and vice versa
“At least a 40 amp” no. You probably don’t *need* a 40-60 amp circuit for an ev. You can size for what you drive rather than for the max that your car can take. If your daily commute is less than 100 miles (which it most likely is) and you have 8 hours of off peak electricity rates then you can install a 6-20 outlet instead. A 6-20 is far cheaper to install because it uses standard 12/2 romex instead of 6/3 or greater gauge wiring. It’s also fairly easy to DIY, minimal difference vs a 5-15, and far more powerful because of the higher voltage and minor current boost. If you have less off peak hours to use then you may need to do some math (you should expect 10-15mph charge rate) and see if that works for you. I personally charge on a 24a because my last car only went up to 28a and the cable run was short, but looking back I probably would’ve been just fine with a 6-20. The fact my car has far more range now would make it even easier since a successful charge every night isn’t critical to getting where I need to be.
Quite right. We have a Bolt EV which charges off a 220v 20 amp outlet (identical to the one for a dryer). We normally charge once or twice a week, and it never takes more than an overnight to bring the Bolt up to 80% (which is all we need for local trips). Honestly I have no idea how long it takes to charge because it never matters - plug it in in the evening and it's fully charged by morning. Whether it took 2 hours or 10 hours is all the same from my point of view. Installing the outlet and buying an EVSE was around $500 back in 2016 when we got a used Leaf. It's worked fine since then for both cars.
@@jamesheartney9546 I’ve never seen a dryer that runs on a 6-20, they usually have 14-30 or 10-30 in older construction. That’s awesome you’re able to only charge once or twice a week with what many consider to be a low power outlet. However, it’s really not great to only charge once a week. You should be plugging in every day, and if your commute doesn’t use that much, set your charge limit to like 60-70% instead of 80%. While keeping your charge range between 80-20% is far better than 100-10%, some data has suggested that reducing to 70-20% can make a significant impact to longevity over 80-20%. Of course this all comes down to a matter of what you need and how much range your car has. I have a 21 MYLR and have been perfectly comfortable charge to 60-65% most days. I rarely if ever come home with less than 40%, so I don’t see a reason to charge higher unless I need the range. Keeping the car plugged in as much as possible allows the cars subsystems to draw power from the home rather than from the battery, and gives the BMS more opportunity to balance the cells. Of course, if plugging in everyday is in someway inconvenient for your setup, then as frequently as you can, or if your car doesn’t allow you do reduce the charge limit I would probably wait to plug in until 30-40%. My last car only had the option of 80 or 100% SoC, and on a 100 mile range battery it was pretty often in winter that it needed a full charge everyday.
I was an automotive technician at new car dealerships for 20 years and an automotive instructor for 17 years at a technical college. I used Scotty's videos to show the student what NOT to do. Scotty and I had a conversation, he believes all of his untruths. It's too bad that he feels and thinks the way that he does. If it's not a Toyota then he is not interested. We need the spread the correct facts about EVs. I've been driving EVs for 10 years and they are simply getting better.
Yeah he pissed me off too. Electric cars are superior and people are dismissing it. Especially the older folks. They say a 40K ev is expensive and then buy a 60K suv or 80K truck. And finance it 🤣 just wait till more high mileage evs start popping up, or people do a test drive. They will switch fast
@@mrb152 based on…. Your own personal experience? Data you’ve seen? You are calling people with ACTUAL EV experience delusional about their perspective. What’s so inconvenient about them?
Having owned a Tesla Model 3 for 6 years now, I can say there’s really only two downsides to it compared to a typical ICE sedan: 1) tires have to be replaced more often and cost a bit more, 2) long road trips can be a hassle due to charging (but it’s getting better). Aside from that, having a charging solution at home is really a must-have when owning an EV.
Tires shouldn't wear out faster. Make sure you get them for the weight of you EV. Also, many EV drivers just drive aggressively because it's so easy and fun, that also wears out tires...
@@CrissaKentavr Well, they do. Significantly heavier than a comparable ICE vehicle, compared with high torque, results in faster tire wear. Certainly driving habits contribute, but I don’t drive that much differently than my previous vehicles. I’m on my 4th set of tires. Each set has lasted about 25k miles, and I always choose tires that are rated for my car. Climate might also be a factor. I drive in Phoenix, with higher pavement temps than most places.
@@MattClipperyou do drive THAT much differently, you just don't realize it because it's so easy to do. You never sequel a tire taking off from a stop because the anti slip system works so well with electric motors. But you are still grinding off a little rubber every time you start from a stop or accelerate briskly.
@@MattClipper I’m not a fan of current automotive trends in large diameter low profile tires and would switch to something more affordable, more durable, lighter, and cheaper to replace than the oem size. I’m planning on installing 16’s on my bolt for that reason. Although, the OE 17” aren’t as expensive as a 18 or 19.
I have a Bolt EUV. I've been charging off Level 1 for months now (I even have it limited to 8 amps instead of the full 12 amps). Only had to use a DC Fast charger 4 times, and only because I was driving 200+ miles in a day. I'm ordering a Dryer Buddy soon so I can have a Level 2 charger without having to pay thousands for a new dedicated circuit. It just acts as an automatic switcher between the dryer and the EV charger. Yeah, it's limited to 24 amps, but it's still enough to fully charge my car overnight from zero.
I bought a dryer outlet splitter and did the same thing. I’ve been using it on my Nissan 2013 Leaf for 2 years and 6 months on my 2022 model 3. I do want to get one of those dryer buddies though.
@@BenSullinsOfficial I have a SplitVolt now for about a year that does the same thing as the Dryer Buddy (tho slightly more expensive). I charged my Tesla Y/LR on a 120V for the first 1/2 year, and using a SplitVolt is about 5x faster. I love it.
I used to be the same way but painfully very painfully; I had to be honest with myself once I learned the value of diversity in emergencies. Options of fuel sources is very important. And if it is a gas vehicle I would choose a pre-silicon chipped one for any EMP attack which would render any modern gas or EV useless. I think electric would still rule in many dooms day scenerio's (you need electricity to run the gas pump right) so don't get me wrong. If I could own a 100 car 99 would be EV. Just nice to have a second option for the unforeseen. Stay green and prepared!
BEV doesn't work for me, I have to drive for work and 200ish miles on the freeway isn't enough. Not enough charging stations in rural areas, no queue system at charging stations, many non-functional dispensers. Company will not reimburse me for time spent charging. Until I can get something in the range of 400+ miles on the freeway, it just won't work out.
While the Toyota Corolla is a commendable vehicle, it does not match the acceleration and speed of the Tesla Model 3. The Model 3 is more comparable to a BMW 3 Series in terms of performance.
Scottie is not alone in being wrong about new technology . Here are some I heard in the past, I am sure there has been many more. Yes I am a EV owner for over 4 year and loving it. 1. 1960’s no need for Seat belts in cars, you don’t want to stuck in the car when its on fire or drown while it in the water 2. 1970’s if you lived other than California, those. Japanese cars are not as well built as the cars from Detroit 3. Air Bags are not safe, what if they go off while your driving 4. This was me, when I go my first memory Stick, 10 MB, good enough for me this will hold all of my documents 5. Big Screen TVs are not safe, they put of radiation 6.. Who needs a iPhone, this Flip Phone is good enough for me 7. Crack Berry addicts, who is going to use an iPhone with a screen for for a Keyboard 8. Of course it true I read it on the Internet.
I installed a new circuit (@7:15) and pulled the 50’ of new wire to the garage and installed a 30 amp 4 wire outlet (Nema 14-30) for a total of $350; including EMT conduit. I just happened to have a spare 30A circuit breaker. So far this has worked great with no issues as charging only takes a few more hours than a 50A circuit; which would have cost me thousands more to update the panel. Home fill-ups are just so easy.
For example his praise to Toyota like if they are the best car. In Canada no matter what car I had they all died because of rust that make then unsecure, Japanese or not.
I was quoted $7k to run a 240 line FIFTY FEET to my proposed carport area which is why I charge my Model Y in my driveway, where the cost to run wire was only $1500.
I bought a used Prius 5 years ago and Scotty had a similar video talking all this bad stuff about the Prius. That car has been so good to me over the years.
What about the child that was trapped in her grandma's Tesla in Arizona cuz the 12 volt battery died. She had to call the fire department to break the window safely. I looked up the DIY process to open the car and I'm sorry that is a deal breaker.
I don't think he's looked at EVs critically in years because it's not convenient to him. He knows his subscribers are the "Never EV" crowd. Saying anything remotely positive about EVs would probably lose him like 2k subscribers
I just got a Polestar 2, I pay $90 a month in gas for my Chevy. By selling the Chevy that I was paying $320/month I got this car for $355/month. SO I am spending more right? No because I get free electricity at work, and it is 1/3rd the cost per mile if I do charge at home. This means a savings of $60-$90/month. Brings my actually monthly down $25-$55. Not to mention right now Polestars are not selling well so they offer 5% APR. Right now is the time to go electric. My exact car was $72,000 new. Used at 30k miles it was $26,000. That IMO is a steal. My Chevy trax new was $40,000. I got it used 25k miles for $22,000. The value of electric used cars is pretty good.
7:40 Regarding lithium-ion battery fires: I work for a city fire department and we've only responded to one EV fire that was attributed to charging at home. My department has responded to a few due to collisions and fully extinguishing them is a nightmare. So if it happens along an interstate, where hydrants are spread far apart, we often let them burn with a fire blanket covering the vehicle to prevent embers from spreading. Along urban roadways, our guideline is to connect to a hydrant and put water on the battery compartment in an effort to cool it down and prevent more battery cells from thermal runaway. All in all, I'm not that concerned about electric vehicle batteries igniting fires because the quality control in the U.S. is very regulated for auto manufacturers. Though I AM concerned with electric micro mobility devices (scooters, bikes, one-wheels, etc.) because my department responds to fires caused by them on a near weekly basis. Consumers simply aren't aware of the fire safety concerns and the quality control for batteries powering these devices is completely voluntary per the UL standards. So when we respond to an electric scooter fire, it's typically located just beyond the front door of a house or apartment which is blocking the primary escape route. Just as bad when the fire occurs in a bedroom because it's close to other combustible materials such as a bed or curtains. Even worse if it's in the garage because most homes don't have a smoke detector in the garage. So in a garage fire, occupants aren't aware of the fire until it burns through walls.
I used to subscribe to Scotty when I had a Honda Accord and he was really helpful, BUT I unsubscribed when he spewed untrue information about High Tech cars (including EVs + Hybrid). Oh well, I guess you have to check multiple sources to fact check.😓
Adding an OBD2 port to a Model Y consists of a $15 connector from amazon, the same way pre-highland cars connected gen 1 s3xy buttons. It takes 5 minutes.
it's hard to find the "do not recommend channel" option, especially after you've viewed it, but look for the option under the three dots in the home tab. It makes my browse easier when I lock out a few pesky channels.
@@davidhuber6251 I saw Scotty's face on the thumb nail and immediately went to the three dots to select do not recommend again then I notice just in time it was Ben's channel
I expect it not to become a 4000 degree blow torch burning the kid in the car seat next to the EV when the battery decides to fail in slow traffic. EVs are not safe. They never will be till another battery technology is developed, and that's not happening for 50 years.
I'm sure many places in the country faced the same dilemma when gas stations first started rolling out and car adoption was increasing. Guess what helped speed that up? Well besides the federal government directing the tax subsidy fire hydrant for gas and oil companies (and never really shutting it off), another one of FDR's legacy bills- The Federal Aid Highway act of 1956...That's decades out from when cars were first being adopted. Point is, federal incentives will be necessary and I prefer the way they are doing it with EVs: direct to taxpayer and consumer rebates and credits up front. EVs won't be for everyone but for now they are for those pioneering a new way to travel, and for some a new way to think about their relationship to their energy usage. Not a bad thing at all. The more I learn about my EV, the more I want to improve my homes energy usage and electrical system, even to the point of considering solar. None of this is bad all of it supports tradesmen and women, creates new jobs in the sector and new factories. It will also spur new technological developments and force manufacturers to improve in areas they have neglected for awhile.
Subsidies are often cited as a negative for EV adoption but also fail to mention the billions in subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives as well as government spending on emissions controls and air/noise pollution. That dwarves the measly $7500 one time tax credit for an EV.
EVs will take personal transportation away from the poor. Old gas cars are usable by the poor far beyond their 10 years of life. EVs are not. The range degrades drastically, making them useless as transportation. Plus the cost of repairing an EV is much much higher, as manufacturers will not let private repair shops work on EVs for fear of lawsuits. EVs are toys for the rich.
@@spazoq This is patently false misinformation. I've owned EVs for a decade and the range degradation is no worse than ICE engine degradation over the same period. This is well documented with many cases of people driving EVs for 100K+ miles. Even twice that. Most OEM's warranties are equivalent to ICE vehicles, effectively nullifying this argument. Additionally, EVs are simpler, with far less parts and way less total cost of ownership, hence maintaining and repairing, even building them, costs less. I replace tires and wiper blades. That's it. I've not even had to replace brakes after 75K miles. Replacement battery costs, the absolute most expensive repair item, are comparable with ICE engine replacements for similar vehicles. A quick look on many car cost sites shows that TCO and purchase costs for new EVs are on par or even LESS than comparable ICE vehicles currently. Besides, your point just makes the case for sustainable public transportation, which is also desperately needed.
@@esSKay25 LOL, tell me all about sustainable public transportation in Wyoming, or Montana, or Utah, The Dakotas, Florida. You really have a skewed view of how big the USA is. BTW, My 20 year old car gets the same mileage today as it did 20 years ago. ZERO EVs will do that. Period. PS, how many tires have you bought so far?
@@spazoq yknow we established those territories with trains, right? By definition, sustainable mass transit requires mass. Considering that engines 20 years ago were barely using computer controlled fuel injection, and only high end brands would’ve had adequate machined tolerances, I find your mileage claim dubious at best. I go through tires less than you go through tuneups to even hope for original mileage.
This is, unfortunately, a common thread among mechanics. A very close friend of mine (AWESOME human, super intelligent, best mechanic on the planet) tells me every chance he gets that EVs, "...will be dead and gone in five years." Are there still problems and challenges? Of course. But if you go back a hundred years or so, the common wisdom was that motor cars were a fad and NOBODY would ever be getting rid of their horses and buggies. We are living in a period of massive technological disruption, and that causes fear in some people that manifests itself in sort of a denial behavior. They tell themselves whatever story they've got to tell themselves to mitigate their fear that the thing they know / love / depend on for income might actually be vulnerable.
To install a level 2 charger I did have to replace my electrcal panel becaue ti was a 40 year old fuse panel. Now I have a new safer breaker panel and dedicated breaker for charger, 50ft of cable run from panel to charger location and labour total price was about $2100 CDN about $1500USD. EV Firesafe is a joint repport from the Australian Defence Department and Fire Fighitng Agency and is a long term study of so called EV fires since 2010 and came up with a verified 490 EV fires globaly , only 73 of those were while charging.
I'm an old car guy. I made a living in the past repairing, buying, and selling used cars. I'm also a computer guy. I drive a Tesla. I've followed Scotty Kilmer for years now and appreciate his honesty and knowledge about brands across the board, but he is simply wrong about the advantages of EV's, mainly concerning maintenance and upkeep. Thanks for this video!
He's not wrong. You can't get an EV fixed at an independent shop, A) the manufacturers don't give tools to do it B) the independent shops can't afford the Insurance needed to work on them. I'm pretty sure you're either being disingenuous, or just ignorant how the EV industry works right now. And it's not going to change thanks to liability laws.
In the UK I pay £0.079 per kWh between midnight and 5am FOR THE WHOLE HOUSE as well as the car charging. That is £300 total charging for the 3 years I have the electric car on lease (on the typical annual mileage I do) and a huge saving in the house for washing/drying/heating the water tank etc (also got the charger installed for free). Wonder how much petrol/diesel in going to cost over the coming years.
I actually installed a 25 amp circuit and a NEMA 6-20 outlet for 16amp level 2 charging not super fast, but less expensive and most breaker boxes can handle a 25 amp breaker.
1:54 100k miles on a relatively modern ICE vehicle is just being broken in, it should have the same range as when you bought it and no worries about incurring thousands of dollars in expense to replace it to reclaim the original range. I buy my cars around 75k and drive them to around 300k, same drive range from purchase to sell date in hot or cold weather, no home modifications and no specialized mechanics.
@@grahamstefaan I've been driving Honda's and yes without losing 15% range. Cool story though about that only 15% range loss at 400k... too bad the reality is starkly different.
@@efaustus9 tell me you've never driven a Tesla without telling me. Honda/ toyota are mostly great but plz...by 150k you've got tons of rubber hoses, timing belts, trans flush, waterpump, alternator.. etc to replace.
@@grahamstefaan trans flush and timing belt (unless you have a chain) yes but that's a few hundred bucks if you hire someone to do it a LOT cheaper than replacing an expensive tires at high frequencies due to the extra weight wear and replacing cells to reclaim the ever reducing range.
@efaustus9 funny because model 3P weights less than a BMW M3 and 1000# less than C63 Mercedes. How old is your Intel? Go see weight of 2025 M5 vs Model S. Tires wear about same as those cars. Ok boomer. Timing belt a couple hundred bucks? Lol. Just saw a quote on a Honda pilot well over $1k. Needs replace every 100k or interference engine makes it a paper weight.
I have two 220 volt outlets in my garage now. The first one was DIY and cost $150 for the copper wire and outlet (it was a simple job becuase I had an existing 220 v circuit that wasn't being used) . The second one was paid for by Chevy as a perk for buying a Bolt, but the job was only $1000. I get annoyed when I see articles stating that getting a level 2 charger installed costs thousands (which in some cases, i'm sure it does) and wipes out all your savings. After paying about $60 more on our electric bill, we are saving $250 a month on gas with our two electric cars.
When I had my Chevy Volt plug in hybrid, i didn't bother with a 220V outlet (or charger) because 110V overnight was enough for my daily driving. When i got my Tesla, i installed a level 2 charger, but most days 110V overnight would still be enough, for the same reason. Only on long driving days, or returning from a trip, do i really need the 220V. I have a 50 year old house, but the panel still had enough for me to have a 60 amp breaker for the charger. (My car only uses max 32 amps when level 2 charging, but future proofing.) I originally planned just a 220V outlet, but due to supply chain issues at the time, GFCI breakers weren't available for my brand of breaker box (GE), and GFCI is required by code. So, I bought a level 2 charger which has the GFCI built in. Back when i had my Volt, an electrician quoted USD 200 to install a 220V outlet (well reputed local firm), but by the time of the Tesla quotes were higher, as electricians were slammed in general. A recent study showed that overnight EV charging is helping utilities economically, as they have vastly underused production capacity and vastly underused grid for most of the night, and this gives them income on assets that would otherwise go lightly used overnight.
I tried to replace my department vehicles with EVs and the fleet manager came to my office to complain that their mechanics are “too old” to go back to school to learn how to fix EVs. The boomer board denied my request.
I've always thought that basic, no frills, small EV pickups would have been a no-brainers for fleets for building inspectors, utility workers and municipal employees etc seeing as they do lots of short trips with lots of stops/starts, plus they all go back a central location where they could be charged overnight. Seeing these being used around town would have been a great boost to EV adoption too. I guess the "sell larger, sell fancier" wing of the car makers won out.
I have a Model Y and put in a Tesla level2 charger that had a pretty long run for the circuit (90") 50 amp circuit for $1400. Have 25K miles now with $0 gas expense, I smile every time I plug in! Oh and I really haven't noticed much difference on my electric bill, kinda expected it?
Scotty lives in a Nashville suburb, where fast chargers are less than 10 miles from his house In the Nashville area, public charging stations are commonly located at grocery store anchored strip malls near interstate off ramps. EVs are plugged in, and the owners go shopping or dining while their cat tops off I see a lot of I8s at the grocery store.
The non-EV owners who like to talk about how expensive battery replacements are act as if Gas Engine and Transmission replacements are FREE. My son just spent $5200 replacing the transmission in his Chevy Traverse.
Tip, if the distance from your breaker to your garage is long, ask the electrician to NOT install a NEMA 14-50 outlet, but instead a NEMA 6-50 outlet. Why? It only requires three conductors rather than 4. Only 3/4 of the amount of thick copper required. For long runs, this could make a big difference. Tesla sells a NEMA 6-50 adapter for the mobile connector ($45), but it is not included.
Can you do a factcheck on John Cadogan too? He's also a know-it-all, trash talking EVs. At least, sometimes he's just over exaggerating, but rarely gets the fact entirely right.
Thank you for posting this video. We need to combat the FUD that portrays it self as truth. I used to watch Scotty’s videos and then purchased a model 3. I started to notice some discrepancies so I stopped watching his channel completely. His channel feels like fox new talking points now.
I wish people would start pointing out that Level 1 charging out of a standard 120V outlet is also an option if you’re driving less than 40-50 miles a day. I’ve had an EV for a year and I charge at home 98% of the time with a 120V outlet. I get about 40-50 miles overnight, which more than covers my daily needs.
We have experience with friends with EVs ... a single woman and a couple. With the couple it's always the same. We live in South Orange County, CA, and whenever we say we're going to Santa Barbara, or for a drive around the Santa Monica Mountains, or to Palm Springs, or to San Diego ... they always ask if they can come along. We know why, and they've been honest about it. It's because of the charging. None of these places have convenient charging along the way, and they wouldn't want to have to deal with it anyway. The single woman is another story. Whenever we ask if she wants to meet us for dinner, she either drives her ICE car, or she asks us to pick her up. Why? Because of the possibility that she may end up having to charge at night, which she's afraid to do. So there are two stories, both true, of why EVs are not desirable. And I have another one. A friend of ours was hit by a Tesla while walking, because he didn't hear it coming. He now calls EVs "silent killers".
I agree on most things in this video, but on car fires there is more to consider. That study stating number of fires per units sold is a very odd way of comparing things. Other studies look at car fires per distance driven or per number of cars registered. They all tend to show much smaller ratios like 5x or 15x, not even close to that 120 times from the slide you show, that just doesn't seem right. Also, while gas cars mostly go on fire while driven or just after being parked, EVs mostly go on fire after a while of charging. For people charging in an in-house garage or right next to the house, this is putting their house at risk. And their lives as well, especially if not having smoke alarms. EV battery smoke is also way more toxic. A better study would look at casualties from car fires and overall medical costs and repair costs of damaged property.
Yeah there's some stupid things there - I mean I'm in the UK so thankfully we're on 240V as standard anyway, but in my case at least my electric meter is literally on the other side of the same wall I want the charger attached to. Yes it's a consideration but unless you're rich with a huge house then you probably don't have to run that far to fit a charger. The far bigger issue is that poor people are priced out of this because in the UK there's a lot of terraced houses and apartments where home charging is impossible. Economically speaking I'm moving to an EV as I worked out with home charging and an EV tariff I'd be going from about £9 a day in diesel to do my 72-mile round-trip commute, to something like £1.75 a day. The car I'm getting (MG5) is costing me £11,500 with 20k miles on the clock and even doing a massive commute I'll have it paid off before my warranty on the battery is up.
Each i3 battery pack contains eight modules and each module costs between $1,700 to $1,800 - that’s almost $14,000 already. Factor in any auxiliary parts that need replacing, hours of labor to remove your old battery pack and install the new one, and the cost of transportation while you wait for the whole process to be finished, and you can see how a $20k price tag isn’t out of the question.
Here's something to keep in mind about the GRID when the anti EV crowd brings that up. No one bats an eye when new townhomes, shopping centers and housing communities go up. Where are they going to get the electricity for the massive amount of consumption that will be needed to supply such projects and communities when complete????? So this argument about how the grid can't handle it is dumb and it's a moot argument. If they're against EV's because they feel the grid can't handle it then why aren't they out there protesting the massive real estate infrastructure projects going up? The reason is it's nothing but a made up "gotcha" talking point from them.
@@KineticEV every time a professional sports team builds a new stadium. Hospitals also use massive amounts of energy. Nobody seems to worry about them.
Australian electrical engineers have calculated even when every car on the road is an EV in around 2050 the total electricity demand will rise by ~15%. This calculation based on the energy required to charge the battery for each driver to travel the avg no of Kilometres per day. Provided most charging occurs at non-peak times the grid has the capacity. For those parts of the grid where a local upgrade will be required the engineers aren’t worried as there is 25+ years to undertake the work. So most of it will be achieved as part of routine infrastructure replacement works.
I do feel like the install costs of home charging could become prohibitively expensive for some customers down the road, when we see older Teslas selling for 10k, and a $300 payment is a lot for some buyers, the idea that they have an extra $1000to $2000 for a charger install will push them back to ice cars.
Ben 100% agree his videos are ridiculous, I told him many times just stick with teaching people how to fix ICE cars. I really don’t understand why he is not doing what he knows (I hope) He is definitely not telling the truth and he knows it .
Because attention, good or bad, is rewarded in youtube. The more widespread this technology, the more people calling out lies in his comment section to debunk his parody posing as truth.
About level-2 chargers: If you live off grid on a mountain top, putting in a level-2 charger is going to cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. For me, I did the work myself. I had a 6 foot run from my 200 amp box in the basement to my charger location in the garage. This cost me $300 and that included a $200 charger! Some people have to upgrade their service. But if you have a 100 amp (or lower) service, it's probably time to upgrade anyway. That cost should not be included in the cost of owning an EV.
Well more and more are doing gig work, like Uber, Roadie, etc. so the miles per day can add up quick. Also you really can't do 300mi because you want to keep the 80/20 rule in check for longevity.
FYI- In NJ - Level 2 charger installed into my house by certified electrician running 100 ft was $1100. True cost- Free with Public Service Electric and Gas. PSEG will reimburse up to $1500. Cost of Blink Charger. Typical price $600. Cost- Free as incentive with dealership. NJ Charge-Up will also reimburse up to $250 for certain chargers. Love our EV.
@@egidiomeola To be fair he is decent car mechanic. But he is old and stale in the brain, the brain has stopped working and processing all logical thinking.
Thank you for this video! As an EV owner, I’m SO tired and annoyed with all these videos full of EV misinformation! And ol’ Scotty is one of the worst! 🤦♂️
Thanks for the truth Ben. I have been driving a Tesla since 1016. I will never have anything but an EV. So much fun to drive and so little maintenance.
Thankyou for this. I have owned and run an EV for over 5 years and a total of 170,000 km. I cannot believe that these sorts of false claims are still being treated seriously in some sections of the population and media. The lived experience of hundreds of thousands of owners completely contradicts this nonsense. I do 80% of charging at home - mostly rooftop solar and a 240v type 2 charger. The car has been totally reliable and very cheap to run, with minimal servicing - mainly tyres. The battery range is still well over 90% of the original. The only times I visit a service station are to inflate tyres or visit the toilet. Is the resale value of a high mileage EV good? Absolutely not. But why would I sell it?
The fact that people listen to that guys BS is funny. He's a total crisis shill. Talking BS and faking outrage and telling lies is big money on RU-vid tragically.
Thank you so much for doing this! I drive a Model Y for Uber in Las Vegas and I get a ton of people with the same concerns that Scotty is “wrong” about. I spend our ride debunking the “myths.” Everyone is so glad to hear it from a non salesman and now say they will revisit EV ownership!!😊
He said in the opening he fixes EVs. Maybe he states the $20K figure as fact, because he buys the $7K battery, and pockets the difference while claiming most of the cost was from the battery itself? Wouldn't be the first time a repair shop swindles people.
"What if the car catches on fire?!"... Had a friend ask me that as we were walking my dog. He asked the question as we walked past a neighbor who had fire damage to their garage and a Ford explorer gas car that had obviously burned. He didn't like my response of "I was concerned with a fire in my garage. That's why I don't own a Ford.". ;P
Thank you very much for doing this! It is so annoying that so many people are missing out on incredible cars that could in the long run save them a lot of hassle and frankly money because they don’t know about them and the truth is so confusing since there’s a lot of people that just don’t know what they’re talking about. For instance, I run a small business I drive pick up trucks. I spent a huge amount of money on maintenance gas and repair repairs. I just purchased a Ford lightning for about 35 grand and already. I’m seeing a huge huge difference. If more guys like me and knew the truth, they would be benefiting as well.
My wife's uncle lost his house when his Lincoln ICE sedan caught fire in his garage. My 2023 Bolt EUV is parked and charges in the attached garage. We charge it using the Chevy supplied plug-in charger using 120v. We plan to have wiring work done to add a 240v circuit to the garage, but we have the same issue as Ben - very long run. Plus well will want to bump the main panel up to 200 amps so we can go all elelctric over time. And yes we are in Texas and want to have at least V2H someday and hopefully V2G.
9:00 I drive ~120miles/day and my Model 3 Standard range plus is perfect for this commute! I get home with about 15%(charge to 80%). It's fully charged by night time, and since I almost never leave home after work, it's not a singular issue! If I did, I can catch a a short 10-20 min charge at a supercharger/fast charger and go on about my day! :)
I watch his videos for a laugh mostly. I switched an ev last November and it’s been a breeze. I live in an apartment building without charging for EV’s. I just charge during work hours as there are charges close by. Yes the range difference is noticeable between summer and winter. So far I am okay with my experience with an ev. Would I go back to gas, no as I currently save $270 a month by charging in place of gas. I expect that will get a lot higher before mass adoption of ev or whatever the next innovative technology comes along.
